Thinking of launching a new WSO? Let me give you a tip or two...

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You can file this under the heading, "For What It's Worth."

Despite the fact that there is a lot of garbage out there, some of you actually produce some pretty good WSO's. I've discovered a lot of good tools in the WF from some brilliant developers and very good marketers.

That being said, most of you stink at instruction. I can't tell you how many times I've been excited about a piece of software or product release, just to give up on it because the developers couldn't explain how it worked properly.

I think the biggest mistake most of you make is assuming that your buyers know what you know. Many of you fail to see your product from the viewpoint of those who are brand new to your it. Put yourself in their shoes.

Step by step is always the best method. Lay it out there as if you were explaining it to your grandmother (unless your grandmother works for Microsoft). And pleeeease give practical applications. Go through a live example. If not in a video, do it with screen shots in a pdf. And it's not enough to explain "how" to do something, you need to explain "what" it is and "why" one would do it.

Don't worry about being repetitive either. The more examples, the better. The more ways you can explain something, the better.

Does it make sense for me to explain to you how to use the space modulator if you don't know what the space modulator does (if you're wondering, search Marvin the Martian - the SM will change your life). Before you show me how it works, I need to know what it does.

Another big mistake I see is that many of you start your tutorials with the details. That will just confuse everyone. Begin with the big picture. Give an overview of your product and how it fits into the goals of those buying it. Work backwards from there. If I understand what it is and how it fits into the grand scheme of things, then the details are going to make a lot more sense to me.

If you still do not understand what I'm getting at, just go look up the Noble Samuari tutorials (Market Samurai and now Article Samurai). They are the best in the business. And it makes good sense, too. Noble Samurai understands that clear instruction equals happy customers and more sales.

Having good customer support is a no-brainer. Bad support equals product refund for me. And I'm going to resist getting into the blasted up-sells since that's more about your product launch than instruction. I'll save that for another post.

So, if you want me to keep your product after purchase, please help yourself by helping me understand how to get it going as easily and as quickly as possible...like I said, for what it's worth.

Regards,
Dino
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Excellent post, and I agree completely. I think that if WSO's were to follow any template, it should be that of your old school text books, I'll use math specifically as an example.

    Remember how the chapters used to start? It would be an overview of the method that would be covered, and it's practical applications. It let you know the importance of what you are about to learn.

    Then, it would cover the very basics of an equation or whatever. It would go step by step so you could see everything you needed to do to get your solution.

    After that would come practice. I would love to see that in some WSO's. Make up some situations that would need the method you are teaching, and allow your customers to practice that method. I know that logistically this will be difficult, but it would still be awesome to see.

    Finally, you were tested. This would be your actual implementation of the method. A checklist, set of guidelines, or something like that would be great to give users a quantitative idea of where they are at.

    A WSO modeled like that would be awesome, I hope that someday I see it. Or who knows if I start making products of my own I might try it (but feel free to steal my ideas in the meantime).
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I agree totally. I find that I often buy items only to discover that the instructions are pathetic and even the sales pages are sometimes misleading which p[#### me off.
    Being a writer, I expect others to be as good as I am at it and I guess most aren't.
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  • Profile picture of the author wanjugu
    Supafly,

    You are straight to the point,in fact some study shows that one of the leading causes of divorce is discordant couples,ie two souls that assumed the other knows what to do especially on the matrimonial bed,only to be dissappointed.Instead of asking for some instructions,most of us stray,looking for a perfect match.
    WSO mus have step by step instructions,together with samples and demos
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  • Profile picture of the author Henry White
    Spot on, Dino!

    Two books by Harold Stolovitch helped me enormously when I got started in corporate training. I think the titles say it all - Telling Ain't Training and Training Ain't Performance.

    And when I think about my favorite teachers, instructors, and professors, they were the ones who 1) presented the information then 2) showed all of us how to use it; then 3) the class tried it and 4) our teacher (formatively) assessed what we were doing; and then we went into the famous "rinse and repeat" mode, primarily with steps 3 and 4 until we 'got it'!

    FWIW, this is an adaptation of the 4- step training process that won WWII any military personnel will instantly recognize - although it has been modified and improved over the last 70 years (as you would expect). It still works like a charm!
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    • Profile picture of the author Fredrik Aurdal
      Thanks for the tip! Good to know this if I am going to make a WSO. Haven't had the same problem when buying WSOs. On my part, it is more about the quality of the information you get. And if it isn't good enough, I ask for a refund the same day.

      But I get what you are saying. Because not ALL of your costumers will understand what you are trying to say, so it's better to explain everything well than not to. Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author blueonblue
        I found that the biggest problem is...

        A lot of WSO ads are written with poor english grammar and that may signal that there will be problems. Some of it is ADD, oversights or even outsourcing to ESL writers.

        They have done that with their SEO. I have bought some that make no sense.
        I bought one with immaculate English and guess what, the report was abominable. The person writing it couldn't speak English properly, and it still made SEO of the DAY!

        I have had some that gave the methods, but jumped around so much you couldn't follow and some gave information that was missing a step or two.

        Before you launch a method, you should give it to a friend and see if they can do it first. If not, re-write it until they can. If not forget it because it will ruin your reputation.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Probably the most overlooked part of selling software or even a service ... a good instruction manual.
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  • Profile picture of the author ZaphodBeebleBrox
    Great post and I couldn't agree more. I've been buying up WSOs for a few months now and I can relate (as I'm sure anyone reading this can)!

    I recently had the opportunity to go into a JV with someone who has an excellent software product, very slick, well coded and would be a hot seller no doubt.

    They sent me a review copy and it came complete with 10 PDFs for instruction, however I had no idea what sequence these were to be read in, and the content in each was not step by step. This person made the mistake of assuming that the user knew what they knew.

    Of course this is not intentional by any marketer or software creator, but it is a critical part to the continued success of the product. In fact, my whole business is built around creating written and video tutorials that simplify technical subjects for those that have different learning modalities. There is a need

    In fact, I think I'll head over to the JV board and offer my interest to anyone who may need some documentation or training videos for their WSOs.
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      True, I bought a WP plugin through a WSO a few weeks ago. I only understand about half of how to use it so it would be harder still for somebody new.

      I've thought the same about a few products so maybe it would be a good idea for somebody to offer a WSO instruction manual writing service.
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  • Profile picture of the author RellGins
    I agree man! There are tons of WP plugins out there and WSO's that the average dude doesn't know how to use! I instantly return crap like that nowadays!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    I wholeheartedly agree. I have even had conversations with WSO sellers trying to get them to see this exact point. But none of them that I spoke to would listen. All they did was attack me in response and tell me that they expect a certain level of experience from the buyer when they buy the product, but yet they don't say that the buyer should have a certain level of experience in their sales copy.

    In my own WSO's I write with a step-by-step instructional method that has given me 0 refunds, and I think one of the reasons why so many marketers get requests for refunds is the fact that their instructions on how to use the product are either non existent or they are completely misleading or not complete.
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  • Profile picture of the author JanelleJ
    As someone who is creating her first WSO, I appreciate your advice. Well said! You nailed it with the customer service bit... it's disappointing when instructions aren't clear or adequate, and then you can't get personal help on top of that. Miserable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I agree, but only to a point.

    I will use a real example.

    There was a video series I purchased which showed a method of keyword research. At one point the method involved opening 20 new tabs in FireFox. Yep. The person making the video s l o w l y opened all 20 tabs in the video. Trust me, I would have been perfectly happy if they only opened up 10 (preferably 5, but I could even live with 10), and said "continue doing this until you have 20 tabs opened".

    Nope! It was more like "Okay...here is the first tab...now we will...(click)...open...the...second tab. (Pause) Here...is the 3rd...(click)...tab... And on it went all the way up to the 20th tab.

    So, while I agree that step-by-step instruction is a good thing, there is also a point where it can become too much.

    For the record, a lot of my product are "how to", so I understand how important it is to give step-by-step instructions.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      I agree, but only to a point.

      I will use a real example.

      There was a video series I purchased which showed a method of keyword research. At one point the method involved opening 20 new tabs in FireFox. Yep. The person making the video s l o w l y opened all 20 tabs in the video. Trust me, I would have been perfectly happy if they only opened up 10 (preferably 5, but I could even live with 10), and said "continue doing this until you have 20 tabs opened".

      Nope! It was more like "Okay...here is the first tab...now we will...(click)...open...the...second tab. (Pause) Here...is the 3rd...(click)...tab... And on it went all the way up to the 20th tab.

      So, while I agree that step-by-step instruction is a good thing, there is also a point where it can become too much.

      For the record, a lot of my product are "how to", so I understand how important it is to give step-by-step instructions.

      All the best,
      Michael
      It sounds to me that this person had the best intentions but went about it the wrong way.

      There's no way in my lifetime I would tell someone to open so many tabs or windows at once due to the strain on their PC. (Who knows what sort of computer system the buyer has. It could be a Windows 95 based computer with 100MB of memory. There is no way their browser will load all that.)

      There are too many people who instruct others to do things with no regards to the computer system we all use daily. The automatically presume that if they can do what they are doing on their computer that we should all be able to acomplish the same.

      I honestly believe that if every marketer did a brief course on how a computer works a heck of a lot more products would be 1000 times better. It's the presumption that inevitably ends up getting refunds.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Mike Baker View Post

        It sounds to me that this person had the best intentions but went about it the wrong way.

        There's no way in my lifetime I would tell someone to open so many tabs or windows at once due to the strain on their PC. (Who knows what sort of computer system the buyer has. It could be a Windows 95 based computer with 100MB of memory. There is no way their browser will load all that.)

        There are too many people who instruct others to do things with no regards to the computer system we all use daily. The automatically presume that if they can do what they are doing on their computer that we should all be able to acomplish the same.

        I honestly believe that if every marketer did a brief course on how a computer works a heck of a lot more products would be 1000 times better. It's the presumption that inevitably ends up getting refunds.
        Hi Mike,

        You make a fair point, however, my example had nothing to do with other people's computer systems. The point was that people CAN get TOO detailed when giving step-by-step instructions.

        In other words, they should give clear, useful instructions, and remember that there is a fine line between not enough instruction and too much instruction.

        All the best,
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          Hi Mike,

          You make a fair point, however, my example had nothing to do with other people's computer systems. The point was that people CAN get TOO detailed when giving step-by-step instructions.

          In other words, they should give clear, useful instructions, and remember that there is a fine line between not enough instruction and too much instruction.

          All the best,
          Michael
          I know you didn't reference that the instructions didn't have anything to do with the buyers computer system, but by the seller telling the buyer to open 20 tabs one following the other does have something to do with the buyers computer.

          I don't think anything can ever be too detailed unless it is being repeated all the time. You may think it is being too detailed due to your experience in the matter that is being instructed. If we all taught like everyone who bought our products was a complete newbie, I'm sure refund rates would drop dramatically. There will always be the freebie seekers who will still refund after purchase, but with complete instruction comes a better understanding of how to fulfil the goal in what the product is for.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
            Originally Posted by Mike Baker View Post

            I know you didn't reference that the instructions didn't have anything to do with the buyers computer system, but by the seller telling the buyer to open 20 tabs one following the other does have something to do with the buyers computer.

            I don't think anything can ever be too detailed unless it is being repeated all the time. You may think it is being too detailed due to your experience in the matter that is being instructed. If we all taught like everyone who bought our products was a complete newbie, I'm sure refund rates would drop dramatically. There will always be the freebie seekers who will still refund after purchase, but with complete instruction comes a better understanding of how to fulfil the goal in what the product is for.
            Yes, my main point was that the repition was unnecessary. However, your points sound good in theory, but reality is a bit different.

            Should product sellers show how to use their product in EVERY browser and with EVERY operating system? What about if they have to type in a URL? Should the seller explain what the address bar is and how to use it? Should they tell them where to type the address, and that they have to press the "enter" key on thier keyboards? And then should the seller also tell them they may have to wait for the page to load? And if it doesn't load that they may have to refresh the screen? But if the refresh doesn't work that they should double-check that they got the right URL? And if they did get the right URL and the page still doesn't load that they may have to reset their modem? And of course there are many different types of modems so would they have to include instructions for every single modem as well?

            And THAT is only the tip of the iceberg for entering a website address.

            Of course you may want them to copy and paste something...so do you need to include every operating system? Explain how to use the right and left mouse buttons? And what if they are using a touchpad instead of a mouse? What if they have their mouse conffigured differently?

            See, the problem is that you say a "complete newbie" should be able to follow it, and that would REDUCE refunds.

            I don't think so.

            What you need to do is find the best balance FOR YOUR MARKET.

            I can guarantee I would ask for a refund if a product was as detailed as I described above.

            The point is that the idea of "100% complete" instructions sounds good, but it's mostly a myth. And even if it could be done, it would be so much information that the "meat" of the product would be buried under instructions most users would never need.

            All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author arkhamindustries
      Originally Posted by penpal6 View Post

      There are some WSOs, that teaches "how to launch a WSO"
      I was just about to reply and say someone needs to make a great WSO about how to make a great WSO that everyone considering making one would be required to read.

      I feel that sometimes the creator of a WSO will spend so much time on the idea behind it that the average reader can get lost. The creator needs to spend about half their effort making the step by step analogies easy to understand by even your grandmother as mentioned earlier.
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      • Profile picture of the author webwriter
        Perhaps one good way of writing a WSO is by first assuming that your reader knows absolutely nothing about your subject, then imagining him or her at at your side. This reader is attentive and ready to follow your instructions. So after carefully explaining the big picture and other relevant details, clearly state exactly what your reader must do.

        Now how does he or she know that this first step has been done correctly? What has to happen?

        What should your reader do next (second step).....and so on.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
          Originally Posted by webwriter View Post

          Perhaps one good way of writing a WSO is by first assuming that your reader knows absolutely nothing about your subject, then imagining him or her at at your side. This reader is attentive and ready to follow your instructions. So after carefully explaining the big picture and other relevant details, clearly state exactly what your reader must do.

          Now how does he or she know that this first step has been done correctly? What has to happen?

          What should your reader do next (second step).....and so on.
          Excellent advice. I like it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Nanaswhimsy
            Excellent "Food for thought" for those thinking of putting together a WSO or even rewriting old WSO's! Thanks so much for taking the time to break it down. Have to agree, that many of the WSO's I have looked at I get lost real fast and I consider myself pretty computer savvy. Others, if it wasn't for my knowledge I would have no clue. But they do tend to generate ideas of ways to make it easier for newbies. New computer users need analogies of every day items they use to make them understand computer terminology, internet marketing, social media, etc. By using analogies, their brain can quickly make the associations and they grasp concepts you are trying to impart. If they understand, they have more success and you have less refunds.
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  • Profile picture of the author Edward Thomes
    A good point would be step-by-step. But you should also provide a glossary of sorts to sort out the technicalities, as well as a "Roadmap".

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  • Profile picture of the author mcass
    This is pure cold! Thank you for posting your thoughts. I have yet to create a WSO, especially since I am so new here. But I am willing to admit that it might be in my future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Supafly
    Thanks for all the great responses. I'm glad it's not just me and that others have had some of the same frustrations. Perhaps we'll start seeing some better product launches.

    A few of you mentioned the horrible grammar and usage in some WSO's. I was going to mention that in more detail, but I know many developers are not native English speakers so I thought I'd cut them some slack, but since English is the language used in this forum, maybe it wouldn't be unreasonable to at least have their instructions done by someone who is fluent.

    I was a member of Wealthy Affiliate when I first started learning internet marketing and the grammar and usage was so bad that it made it difficult for me to learn very basic concepts. I even made a plea directly to Carson (I think that's his name), but he didn't think it was a problem. I cancelled my subscription after 2 months.

    The bottom line is that if you put out a well-developed product and make it easy for the buyer to use, you're going to make more sales - and more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I think some of the best WSO go to waist.

    I call them WSO hoppers...and they just hop from one WSO to the next....

    these are the guys that come in here and whinge about how bad they are.

    Most of the WSO I have bought are not bad, just that 1% of people that buy them actually do anything with them. So do not go blaming the products or the language or grammer, start blaming yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author ajwilliams
      Hi all,

      It appears to me that most if not nearly all WSO's are patterned after sales letters as they probably should be to some extent. I think the difference is that they are offering a product that they say they normally sell for X price at a greatly reduced price. Some of these are like trial offers to get you into the product and then you pay more. I mean this from the standpoint of, you pay little for this, but, I have these other products to sell you for $$$$.

      It is sort of like you getting a squeeze page with a free offer to get you on their list with an OTO (one time offer) when you subscribe except in the case of the WSO, you are actually paying for it.

      The original post was correct in that there is a lot of sub par offers even at the low prices. However, on the other side of that, there are some really good offers. In fact, I bought a $5 WSO that to me is worth hundreds of dollars.

      It was very well done and the resulting content was thorough and easy to understand and follow. I started a new business using this $5 WSO. I also bought a WSO about WSO's for $11.95 which I felt was worthless to me in that it required things that I would not consider doing period.

      So, in conclusion, it is all a learning process. We need to learn or develop technics to help us spot the good from the bad and sometimes we are going to be wrong. But, I believe if you really study each offer, you can decide more times than not the ones that are good enough to actually purchase. Watch the hype!!

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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I wrote a sales letter for a guy selling an info product a couple of years ago. Before I took the assignment I reviewed his course. I could tell he was passionate about the material but is was sorely lacking any kind of decent explanation of several methods it took to put it all into action. I offered to fix it for him for a reasonable fee. He declined.

    I wrote the letter and the guy put the offer on Clickbank. Within two weeks he had the #9 offer on the business to business section. He also had about a 60% refund rate to go with it. Eventually CB booted his offer.

    The reason he had so many refunds was that people didn't know what he was talking about with the methods he taught. So it goes.

    This is a very common problem with people coming to the MMO niche. They feel they just have to put out their own product. And most often that product sucks. It's not that the business model is bad or that the creator is bad. It's because people can't or won't spell it all out.

    It's interesting to note that people who want to launch something big will spend all kinds of money on the sales letter, the marketing, and the launch itself. Where they come up short is in hiring a bargain basement content writer to create the product itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Supafly
      Right on! That story sums it all up. The seller will only stand to gain by spending a little extra money to hire someone to help him or her organize their thoughts better - so they can sell more product. Everybody wins.

      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      I wrote a sales letter for a guy selling an info product a couple of years ago. Before I took the assignment I reviewed his course. I could tell he was passionate about the material but is was sorely lacking any kind of decent explanation of several methods it took to put it all into action. I offered to fix it for him for a reasonable fee. He declined.

      I wrote the letter and the guy put the offer on Clickbank. Within two weeks he had the #9 offer on the business to business section. He also had about a 60% refund rate to go with it. Eventually CB booted his offer.

      The reason he had so many refunds was that people didn't know what he was talking about with the methods he taught. So it goes.

      This is a very common problem with people coming to the MMO niche. They feel they just have to put out their own product. And most often that product sucks. It's not that the business model is bad or that the creator is bad. It's because people can't or won't spell it all out.

      It's interesting to note that people who want to launch something big will spend all kinds of money on the sales letter, the marketing, and the launch itself. Where they come up short is in hiring a bargain basement content writer to create the product itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tiptopcat
    I complete agree with the original point of this thread. Providing the best possible instruction can only enhance the success of any WSO.

    Lots of people are great at coming up with ideas, but are not so good at explaining their ideas clearly enough so that everybody can understand and follow.

    I really created a "How To......" and used plenty of step by step screen shots. However, there is a limit. If certain actons are repetitive, then it is not necessary to show every single action.

    If people just take a little more time to perfect their offerings, more people would be able to get the benefits.

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  • Profile picture of the author SebastianJ
    Excellent post, thanks for your tips and pointers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Charlotte Jay
    For this post, I give you this...



    I totally agree. It's all about explaining and teaching. I have been the victim many a time of poorly explained products and software. I may be smart, but not that smart to figure out how to do x,y and z with your product.
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    • Profile picture of the author retirewithsandie
      Originally Posted by webwriter View Post

      Perhaps one good way of writing a WSO is by first assuming that your reader knows absolutely nothing about your subject, then imagining him or her at at your side. This reader is attentive and ready to follow your instructions. So after carefully explaining the big picture and other relevant details, clearly state exactly what your reader must do.

      Now how does he or she know that this first step has been done correctly? What has to happen?

      What should your reader do next (second step).....and so on.
      I agree. Perhaps having a friend or family member read it over & take their thoughts. Seeing if they understand the process & maybe quizzing them on each section to make sure they understand it correctly.

      Doesn't have to be difficult, but just a "OK after reading this section on how to set up a website, do you feel confident enough to be able to do that?" Was anything left out? Did you have further questions on any step?

      Because you know what you're talking about, you can overlook things that are missing or unclear. But to have "virgin" eyes look at it and if possible go through all the steps as laid out can help having less frustrated buyers.

      Originally Posted by Supafly View Post

      A few of you mentioned the horrible grammar and usage in some WSO's. I was going to mention that in more detail, but I know many developers are not native English speakers so I thought I'd cut them some slack, but since English is the language used in this forum, maybe it wouldn't be unreasonable to at least have their instructions done by someone who is fluent.

      I was a member of Wealthy Affiliate when I first started learning internet marketing and the grammar and usage was so bad that it made it difficult for me to learn very basic concepts. I even made a plea directly to Carson (I think that's his name), but he didn't think it was a problem. I cancelled my subscription after 2 months.
      I do give some slack but agree something like that is unacceptable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    Excellent post! Let me just add that as long as a WSO clearly states what prerequisites you need prior to purchasing the WSO, I am fine with it! But it has to be very clear!

    For example if you were selling SEO optimization tips for Wordpress sites and the WSO copy said , "Important - You need to have basic knowledge of Wordpress setup and features as I will not be covering it!" or something to that effect, I'm fine with it.

    As long as it spelled out in the WSO copy (especially in the FAQ section) then it works for me!
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    • Profile picture of the author Adetola
      Originally Posted by Michael Franklin View Post

      Excellent post! Let me just add that as long as a WSO clearly states what prerequisites you need prior to purchasing the WSO, I am fine with it! But it has to be very clear!

      For example if you were selling SEO optimization tips for Wordpress sites and the WSO copy said , "Important - You need to have basic knowledge of Wordpress setup and features as I will not be covering it!" or something to that effect, I'm fine with it.

      As long as it spelled out in the WSO copy (especially in the FAQ section) then it works for me!
      Well spoken,Michael.

      I think this is the best way to go once you know you will not be taking buyers from ground up.:
      1. Tell them what the WSO is.
      2. Tell them what it is not.
      3. Tell them what they need to have to use the WSO.(tools,skill sets,money etc)
      With these,refunds rate would be minimized.

      Let me give an example...
      Days ago,I launched an WSO containing a list of mobile app review sites.I knew some people would be looking at buying stuff on how to develop and market an app.But I had to tell them upfront that the WSO wasn't about developing or marketing an app,though there was actually a short report offered on how to market an app...but that report was only a bonus !

      It does appear many of those who do WSOs need to go for some teaching tutorial.Many seem to forget that teaching is a profession,and not many people have the ability to impart knowledge.Not a few of us attended schools where we had teachers who knew their subjects very well but who do not just know how to teach it.

      May be it's high time someone did an WSO on the issues adrressed here.

      My 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    It's funny.

    People complain that WSOs are too long and detailed and that they just want "the facts" even if it's only 5 pages.

    Others complain that WSOs are not detailed enough and need more tutorials.

    I have had people request a refund because they didn't feel I went into enough depth in my explanations, and someone else because I "wasted their time with too much teaching about easy stuff". And yes, both those requests for the same product.

    You can't ever please everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Many moons ago when I was in the U.S. Army, we had technical manuals for everything under the sun. They were called "Field Manuals".

    These manuals came with everything and had step-by-step instructions for how to operate machinery, put up your tent, what to have in your pack and even an eight page manual on how to operate pliers.

    Yes, an eight page manual for pliers.

    I always thought "do I really want a guy that needs eight pages to figure out pliers behind me with a gun"?

    So the other side of the instruction coin needs to be considered too.

    Do you really want someone who has to be told how to turn his computer on as a customer?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucas Adamski
    Really good stuff. I would always include some live case studies with detailed examples. I believe it's the easiest way to teach someone some new concepts. Theory is good but until you will see some real world examples, you won't really 'get it'.
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  • Profile picture of the author Supafly
    I agree. And we can certainly make a case for both extremes, but I still stand by my assertion that more instruction is better than not enough. When you're launching your product, you have to decide at what level you're going to begin. We certainly don't want to begin with, "You see, there's this thing called the Internet and here's how you use it..." OK, so that's a gross exaggeration (going with the pliers analogy - I served as well :-)

    The best technique would be to fully and effectively explain how to use a product in as few words as possible (isn't that the art of communication?), but we're not master communicators here so we have to do the best we can, and that usually means more rather than less.

    Now, I'm no newbie at this stuff and can understand technical concepts, at least as much as many other warriors buying the products. What compelled me to write the post was a pattern I increasingly see among so many WSO's. Perhaps the sloppiness is a result of their eagerness to launch the product.

    Finally, there seems to be quite a lot of agreement on this thread so perhaps it will serve it's intended purpose after all: Attention Developers, if you don't want a lot of refund requests, make it easier for us to understand. That's all I'm sayin'.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi RellGins,

      I agree man! There are tons of WP plugins out there and WSO's that the average dude doesn't know how to use! I instantly return crap like that nowadays!
      Those are precisely the WSOs that I end up buying and spend the time working out how to implement with my own twist.

      The WSOs that the average (lazy) dude knows how to use are the ones that I avoid like the plague, because they will become saturated and ineffective very quickly with average dudes using them poorly, blatantly, incorrectly and without vision and because the seller is probably not the misunderstood but genius geek who is so far ahead of the rest that the average dude skips right past them.

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  • Profile picture of the author seo slayer
    Great tips! Thanks a lot!
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  • Profile picture of the author Super Warrior
    Great post! Good tips for the sellers.
    If there are no clear instructions, I am not gonna buy anything then.


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  • Profile picture of the author Ian McConnell
    I agree. I think too many people assume that people have a similar level of knowledge.

    I remember when I started in this business how frustrating it was not to understand a term and having to search the forums for an answer. A process that should have taken an hour took a day...

    Make it super simple to understand, even if it takes a few hours of instruction to do this.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author carloru
    The key can be summed up like this: think like the customer would think.

    My 2 cents is that most info product creators are in too much of a hurry to start making the money that they lose track of what the product should be: it should be about the customer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Everett
    Keep it simple.. I must admit, when I buy a WSO - If the first video looks like hard work, I tend not to follow up and watch the others. I did my first WSO a few weeks back and detailed each step as if I was talking to a raw beginner. I guess not al WSO's are aimed at beginners but I sometimes think some WSO makers are almost "showing off" with the big words etc.. This doesn't help when you are trying to learn..
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  • Profile picture of the author Supafly
    What I find interesting is that I recently bought a WSO on Adwords. It's an 11 part series and the first few videos show you how to set up a Gmail account, find the Adwords link by searching Google and how to log into Adwords. In fact, two of the videos have already addressed how to set up a Gmail account. I'm only about half way through the videos, but almost all of the content can be found in the "free" Google Adwords videos on You Tube.

    Really? I'm a member of the Warrior Forum and you think it's necessary to tell me twice how to set up a Gmail account? This is an example of the extreme opposite (as referenced by Matt in post #37).

    Now someone might say here, "damned if you do and damned if you don't," but do these really have to be our only options? I think we have the right to assume that everyone in this forum has a certain level of knowledge. Setting up one's own Gmail account is one of them. Had I not only paid $5.35 for that WSO, I might be compelled to give it a bad review. But at that price, why waste the effort? WSO's that cheap may have the right to be as lame as they want.

    I believe good grammar and usage is essential as is editing by someone completely unfamiliar with the product and not a technical wizard. Again, practical applications and case studies are highly advisable. Going through the steps using the dog training niche usually helps me.
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    Great post Supafly

    I have always been a firm believer in having an excellent set of instructions to go along with any product, a 7 dollar WSO or a 700 dollar software application. And I do wish others felt the same way.

    We recently purchased a 500 dollar piece of software (not a WSO) that came with NO instructions - seriously! Even worse, when we inquired about the lack of instructions the author actually acted annoyed at our request. Didn't give me a "warm and fuzzy" feeling to say the least!

    We also recently acquired another product that comes with no less than 5 hours of video instruction, and no printed manual. While that may be ideal for some I don't have the time or patience to watch 5 hours of video, in fact I haven't watched 5 hours of television total in the past 3 years! Video is great, but it isn't for everyone - certainly not for me.

    As someone who has written many instruction and technical manuals I can appreciate the dilemma a product creator or author has in creating the "ultimate" instruction manual. This is especially true when documenting a piece of software or a script, your audience may consist of people with a wide variety of technical expertise. Two chapters (or videos) detailing the setup of a GMail account is a bit extreme, but there are those who seriously need detailed instructions on what others would consider a trivial task. You have to cater to all of them. After all Internet Marketing requires a number of different disciplines, and someone who is an excellent marketer or copywriter may not necessary be a technical wizard as well - or vice-versa.

    The solution I employed in a recent product was as follows:

    I wrote a very detailed set of manuals that covered every aspect of the product (and the theory behind its use), in total almost 200 pages. I made sure that the manuals had accurate and complete table of contents, and were divided into logical chapters.

    I also created a couple of 2-page "cheat-sheets", that gave the "Readers Digest" version of the same material. Each item on the "cheat-sheets" referenced the main manuals, with the page numbers so those who needed more information could access it.

    And finally a series of a dozen videos, one for every chapter of the manuals - for those who prefer video instructions. Tried to keep each video around the 5 minute mark.

    It may not be the perfect solution but it did seem to work, if the comments we received on the product are any indication. As Abe Lincoln said "You can't please all of the people all of the time", but you can certainly give it a good try!

    Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    Yeah I like the step by step wso over the quick summary kind. I notice that it gets you to take more action that way when it's laid out in that fashion.
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