Beginner: Earnings claims - Real?

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Hi,

After a few months of really taking notice of IM offers, I'm seeing some seemingly outrageous claims for earnings. At least it seems that way.

I can understand that people can make millions, but that's clearly not going to happen overnight, or not at least for most people?

What I'm interested in, is the amount of people that have actually achieved such claims - particularly through purchased courses / systems / software products, and how? What was the timeframe involved, and the strategy / system that was followed?

Thanks guys and gals!
#beginner #claims #earnings #real
  • Profile picture of the author nicoledeal
    If you were making 100K a day, would you be making those over-hyped ads? I just don't believe them, but they do make it seem nice. Again, I refuse to believe them.
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  • Profile picture of the author That Guy
    Hey Martin, in truth I created my first Adsense website during the beginning of May and I've made a couple dollars from the first site that I created and generating some income from my second site.

    May: ~$2.50
    June: ~ $11.50
    July: ~$5.00
    August: ~ $2.00 (so far)

    I used the 100k Adsense Blueprint as a base to get all the info I know like what a backlink is, basic on page SEO, etc. But the more intricate stuff I've learned from this forum. Just ask questions whenever you're stuck or confused and the people on this forum will generally reply with the answer you need.

    I know my goals aren't these ridiculous claims of "$7563.01 in 10 days!!", but I do hope that before May 2012 (12 months of IM) I'll be making at least $100/month.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    There are real people out there making real money, and some of them are making what they claim.

    With that having been said, a lot of IM Products are written and marketed by people who have never made much money online.

    Buyer beware and be very cautious.

    In most cases, the old saying rings true, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

    And when that advice fails you, try reading, "The Magic of Thinking Big".
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
      When someone is banking tonnes of money, they will not sell their methods. Why should they? It's just going to add more competitions. Better yet, they just let the fake guys write info products to mislead the newbies.

      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      There are real people out there making real money, and some of them are making what they claim.

      With that having been said, a lot of IM Products are written and marketed by people who have never made much money online.

      Buyer beware and be very cautious.

      In most cases, the old saying rings true, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

      And when that advice fails you, try reading, "The Magic of Thinking Big".
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
    Most claims are fake - though some are real. I know a couple of people who do actually make LARGE amounts of money online, but the thing is - the product they release isn't their complete method. It's touching on something they did to make some extra funds.

    Personally, I only bought a couple of courses that have severely helped me. Make sure to just be cautious and use your brain .
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  • Profile picture of the author YahooAds
    Hi,
    Yes, it takes a lot of time to earn money through ads. It requires consistant efforts.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    I think the vast majority of claims are false...at least the ones with huge numbers. If they were making $2,000 or $6,000 per day - everyday with the push of a button why would they need to sell a course to us for $47????

    Many warriors have also been caught using faked paypal screenshots so yes... buyer beware.
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
      Originally Posted by Steven Miranda View Post

      I think the vast majority of claims are false...at least the ones with huge numbers. If they were making $2,000 or $6,000 per day - everyday with the push of a button why would they need to sell a course to us for $47????

      Many warriors have also been caught using faked paypal screenshots so yes... buyer beware.
      Very true. Or the guy that makes literally millions by pressing a button showing you, as the camera slides past the three lambourghinis and the porsche in the driveway. And he does this by sharing his most special secrets with you for just $47.

      I was just interested if there was anyone reading who had done it, or whether we can say statistically that winning the lottery would be more likely?

      Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Pankaew
      Originally Posted by Steven Miranda View Post

      I think the vast majority of claims are false...at least the ones with huge numbers. If they were making $2,000 or $6,000 per day - everyday with the push of a button why would they need to sell a course to us for $47????

      Many warriors have also been caught using faked paypal screenshots so yes... buyer beware.
      $2,000 per day isn't all that much in the affiliate world. It's good money, but it's not the top tier.

      If you're making $2,000 a day as an affiliate, it's *very* tempting to switch over to the offer side. After all, you personally probably know 20 other affiliates doing over $1,000 a day. If you can get a high converting offer, you'll at least get some of your friends to promote it. If you can get it taken up by 5 of the big affiliate networks, you can probably break $10K or $20K a day.

      Just sayin' - If you're making $2K a day as an affiliate, there is *every incentive* to move over to the offer side from the affiliate side.
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      • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
        Originally Posted by Derek Pankaew View Post

        $2,000 per day isn't all that much in the affiliate world. It's good money, but it's not the top tier.

        If you're making $2,000 a day as an affiliate, it's *very* tempting to switch over to the offer side. After all, you personally probably know 20 other affiliates doing over $1,000 a day. If you can get a high converting offer, you'll at least get some of your friends to promote it. If you can get it taken up by 5 of the big affiliate networks, you can probably break $10K or $20K a day.

        Just sayin' - If you're making $2K a day as an affiliate, there is *every incentive* to move over to the offer side from the affiliate side.
        Sure, but that money would not have been made off of this single all singing all dancing offer though would it? I can understand why it is done, as I can understand that it would be possible, if you're top of the food chain, but for most people surely that claim is irrelevant?
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        • Profile picture of the author Derek Pankaew
          Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

          Sure, but that money would not have been made off of this single all singing all dancing offer though would it? I can understand why it is done, as I can understand that it would be possible, if you're top of the food chain, but for most people surely that claim is irrelevant?
          I'm not saying that most claims are true - I'm pretty sure most of them aren't

          But the poster saying "why would anyone making $2,000 a day want to teach" sounded as if they were saying there's no reason anyone who's making money would want to produce an offer. All I was pointing out is that the sheer volume of traffic you can get by running your own offer is enormous if you know what you're doing.

          But yeah, for most people, they're probably more likely to be people who have no idea what they're doing selling a $40 report instead of actually making money >_>
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
      Sometimes, they sell it for 9 dollars or less

      There is no integrity in internet marketing. I stopped buying long time ago.

      Originally Posted by Steven Miranda View Post

      I think the vast majority of claims are false...at least the ones with huge numbers. If they were making $2,000 or $6,000 per day - everyday with the push of a button why would they need to sell a course to us for $47????

      Many warriors have also been caught using faked paypal screenshots so yes... buyer beware.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

    Hi,

    After a few months of really taking notice of IM offers, I'm seeing some seemingly outrageous claims for earnings. At least it seems that way.

    I can understand that people can make millions, but that's clearly not going to happen overnight, or not at least for most people?

    What I'm interested in, is the amount of people that have actually achieved such claims - particularly through purchased courses / systems / software products, and how? What was the timeframe involved, and the strategy / system that was followed?

    Thanks guys and gals!
    Personally I don't believe any claim of a newbie making millions without putting in much effort.

    I mean, sometimes people get a break and make it big but it this usually happens after years and years of work. You're right, it doesn't happen overnight.
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  • Profile picture of the author GameVoid
    Plus remember that a lot of power affiliates who might be making $2000 a day in revenue might be spending several hundred dollars in PPC or media buys to make that figure.

    A clickbank screenshot is like just looking at the gross sales of a restaurant and thinking it is a success without taking into consideration cost of inventory, payroll, rentals, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    I actually don't even pay attention to income claims for products. Actually a lot of the information I purchase doesn't really need one.

    I don't buy systems, blue prints, or any of the like. I buy information that is going to benefit me in my business.

    I've worked many hours behind a computer to enjoy my $150-$400 per month. Last month I broke $500 for the first time in a year. January is a terrible month for me and I'll be lucky if I get any affiliate sales in that month.

    Regardless, I could put that in a sales letter, but if I put the words "work" and "money" in the copy I would make a very few sales. This is why I stick to niches outside of IM for all of my sites.

    Income proof can be easily modified. A simple PayPal page can have its html file copied, the numbers changed and then uploaded to your sales letter.

    You can even buy this as a service on sites like Fiverr! Need "video proof" that your income is real? You can get that done on Fiverr too. Or the DP forums!

    Basically whether they are real or not is non-factor. Anyone showing you how much money you are going to make with their shiny product is simply blowing smoke up your ass. I feel the same way about those sales letters that start off with a personal story.

    I don't care about YOUR life, I care to find out how your product is going to benefit MY business.
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
      Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

      I actually don't even pay attention to income claims for products. Actually a lot of the information I purchase doesn't really need one.

      I don't buy systems, blue prints, or any of the like. I buy information that is going to benefit me in my business.

      I've worked many hours behind a computer to enjoy my $150-$400 per month. Last month I broke $500 for the first time in a year. January is a terrible month for me and I'll be lucky if I get any affiliate sales in that month.

      Regardless, I could put that in a sales letter, but if I put the words "work" and "money" in the copy I would make a very few sales. This is why I stick to niches outside of IM for all of my sites.

      Income proof can be easily modified. A simple PayPal page can have its html file copied, the numbers changed and then uploaded to your sales letter.

      You can even buy this as a service on sites like Fiverr! Need "video proof" that your income is real? You can get that done on Fiverr too. Or the DP forums!

      Basically whether they are real or not is non-factor. Anyone showing you how much money you are going to make with their shiny product is simply blowing smoke up your ass. I feel the same way about those sales letters that start off with a personal story.

      I don't care about YOUR life, I care to find out how your product is going to benefit MY business.
      Totally agree with all of you. Interested to know who does buy it, and how far it gets them.

      I tend to have a look at a few offers from time to time, to work out what it is that they're trying to do, maybe even gets some ideas, but more often than not they get 30 seconds or so, then the site gets closed.

      I wonder if there is a benefit to this purely from the perspective of the SEO for the purveyor of these fine products? I think places like Africa and India seem to have a lot of searches for 'get rich quick' schemes, so probably the sites get massive traffic?

      It's funny, I could totally believe a few hundred bucks, maybe even a few thousand a month - and I guess now that there have been these outlandish claims, "I made $112 in a month with my special system, and you can too" whilst being honest is possibly not going to make the sales. Actually I'd be interested if it would, the honesty is somehow refreshing. And if you paid $47 for a system that would definitely make you $112 a month recurring, that actually makes mathematical sense to do

      Sorry, I'm waffling! This stuff fascinates me, how far is too far when stretching the truth, and does honesty really pay?! I prefer the honesty route, but it is interesting, don't you think?
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    • Profile picture of the author heavyjay
      Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

      I've worked many hours behind a computer to enjoy my $150-$400 per month. Last month I broke $500 for the first time in a year. January is a terrible month for me and I'll be lucky if I get any affiliate sales in that month.

      Regardless, I could put that in a sales letter, but if I put the words "work" and "money" in the copy I would make a very few sales. This is why I stick to niches outside of IM for all of my sites.
      That right there should tell us all something.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    When people trust you, income claims introduces consumer confidence to your offer.

    But if no one knows you, they are not going to trust your income claims.
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  • Profile picture of the author 3bagsfull
    it is never about the REVENUE (assuming it is even real)
    it is about the PROFIT

    use your spidey senses -- be skeptical

    consider that the big launches take months of work, they require hiring programmers, etc who expect to make a decent living in most cases

    consider that most have JV partners that will want at least 50% commission
    consider that they need back office people, accountants, lawyers, etc etc and they need to be paid
    consider the rate of refunds because of the satisfaction guarantee
    consider the amount they spend on advertising (ppc) to get people on the page

    there are ALOT of costs that are never discussed
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I always like the wannabe pros that start their first forum threads like this one, "I'm making $15,000 per month & I'm not sure it's the right thing for me".

    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...y-adsense.html

    WTH ever! :rolleyes:

    WSO FAIL setup,
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I always like the wannabe pros that start their first forum threads like this one, "I'm making $15,000 per month & I'm not sure it's the right thing for me".

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...y-adsense.html

      WTH ever! :rolleyes:

      WSO FAIL setup,
      Ha ha ha. Classic.

      That one is probably quite easy to pick as being suspect I think. I'm going to read that post though
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Been in this business for almost 3 years. Now making anywhere between $3-4,000 a month.

    When it comes to income claims, public enemy said it best back in the 80's

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    • Profile picture of the author retirewithsandie
      And a lot of these programs have upsells. Often you'll log into a website to access it & then be bombarded with $200-400+ "add ons" because while you *can* make something with the $47 buying these ridiculous upsells is how to make it so you allegedly don't have to lift a finger :rolleyes:. They conveniently left that part out in their sales letter.
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Been in this business for almost 3 years. Now making anywhere between $3-4,000 a month.

      When it comes to income claims, public enemy said it best back in the 80's

      ‪Public Enemy-Don't Believe The Hype‬‏ - YouTube
      Do you mind my asking how you earn that sort of income?

      Also, how long was it before you got to being able to earn that sort of coin?

      I'd quite like to ditch my job, it tends to suck up far too much of my time, and will really slow my progress on this, which is what I want to be doing...
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

        Do you mind my asking how you earn that sort of income?
        I sell infoproducts. I dont provide services. I used to, but clients drove me insane. Passive income is much nicer than earnt income.

        Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

        Also, how long was it before you got to being able to earn that sort of coin?
        3 years full time this October. My backround is technical, Im a developer, which in hindsight was probably a massive disadvantage.

        Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

        I'd quite like to ditch my job, it tends to suck up far too much of my time, and will really slow my progress on this, which is what I want to be doing...
        Perhaps you need to keep your job, and use the $$$ to find yourself a mentor.
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        • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
          Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

          3 years full time this October. My backround is technical, Im a developer, which in hindsight was probably a massive disadvantage.
          Different people simply have different outlooks. For example I wish I had more of a technical background, a developer's toolset. I have so many idea's that I would love to implement into a program/software but simply have no freaking clue where to start.

          I guess it's a double edged sword. If I was good at all that, I may not have the marketers mind I do know. Either way, if your doing that kind of volume with your ideas then you've found the sweet spot as far as I'm concerned lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Targeted Traffic
    I don't really think its helpful to set other people's income as the basis of your target earnings, much less care for it...In the IM world where almost anything can be possible...YOU ARE YOUR OWN LIMIT.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    IM is unlike just about any other type of business out there.

    Guys literally start making 6 figures within a few months.

    Others will struggle for years just to make enough to cover all of the WSOs they bought.

    But there are tons of ways you can start making money quickly, it just takes a little elbow grease and a set direction.
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
      Originally Posted by Justin Stowe View Post

      IM is unlike just about any other type of business out there.

      Guys literally start making 6 figures within a few months.

      Others will struggle for years just to make enough to cover all of the WSOs they bought.

      But there are tons of ways you can start making money quickly, it just takes a little elbow grease and a set direction.
      Yeah, I know that, now I want to know how to be the latter group - ideas?
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

        Yeah, I know that, now I want to know how to be the latter group - ideas?
        Get a mentor. Otherwise you risk wasting a LOT of time and money.
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        • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
          Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

          Get a mentor. Otherwise you risk wasting a LOT of time and money.
          Any recommendations on one?
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberSorcerer
    Martin, I've looked over this post and your other post, about 30 minutes apart, and took a look at your site through your sig.

    I find what you're doing interesting.
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
      Originally Posted by CyberSorcerer View Post

      Martin, I've looked over this post and your other post, about 30 minutes apart, and took a look at your site through your sig.

      I find what you're doing interesting.
      In a good way, I hope?!

      I've set things up properly I think, and I'm trying to find out off of your IM experts, what is the best way to approach to make things tick along nicely.
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      • Profile picture of the author philt
        We all learn the hardway, by being duped and over hyped, there is no such thing as getting rich quick, anyone that tells you that are either lying or are misguided.

        Online business is as real as an off line busines, it takes work(not all ways hard-but work all the same), time and effort, for some reason people think that an online business is a way of getting rich quick, it just doesn't happen.

        The major advantage of being online, you only need the fraction of the capital i.e hosting $10 a month, domain name $10 a year and an Autoresponder varies from $8 to $19 a month (on the basic and increases depending on your list size), that's all you really need and of course a product etc... and time/money to get traffic to your site.

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        • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
          Originally Posted by philt View Post

          We all learn the hardway, by being duped and over hyped, there is no such thing as getting rich quick, anyone that tells you that are either lying or are misguided.

          Online business is as real as an off line busines, it takes work(not all ways hard-but work all the same), time and effort, for some reason people think that an online business is a way of getting rich quick, it just doesn't happen.

          The major advantage of being online, you only need the fraction of the capital i.e hosting $10 a month, domain name $10 a year and an Autoresponder varies from $8 to $19 a month (on the basic and increases depending on your list size), that's all you really need and of course a product etc... and time/money to get traffic to your site.

          Take Care
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          Thanks Phil - the low costs, and ability potentially to 'make money while you sleep' are the things that attract me to this business. I never expected this to be a get rich quick business - as with any business that might be possible if you're lucky, or have a great new product, however that seems unlikely?

          My ultimate aim is to be able to work whenever I want to work, the flexibility is the key for me.

          I was interested to see if anyone came on here and said - yeah, they're real, I bought course XYZ, and make $10,000 in a month. It seems not!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
    Personally i think that most earning claims in IM are not legit..

    But if you really take action, focus and master the "method/system" what ever it is, you will most probably make more

    Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author harrietfredge
    Such claims are quite too good to be true however it will surely take a lot of time to be able to come up with a good strategy that will enable you to earn millions. You just need to know about how these things work and you'll be on the right track.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathy Curiel
    I agree with these fake claims..bad karma for them.
    I am more willing to buy WSo how claim to make 25 usd a day then 1000 usd a day.
    The WSo of 25 usd is probably really based on real information and probably will work too
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    "If you were making $1,000+ a day would you be selling something for $7?"

    Yes, that's how you get up to making $1,000 a day. It's called a sales funnel.

    $7 -> $47 -> $297 -> $997 -> $4997 -> etc

    You can shove any equivalent price points into such a funnel you like but the point is you want low priced offers to start with to draw people in and then higher priced stuff to sell them on once they know how great your stuff is.

    In my case I have lots of products priced the same and do a load of cross selling. I'd almost certainly make more if I had a higher priced offer but I haven't got that up and running yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
      (The following is written tongue in cheek...)

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      Regarding hype, I think you should always give people the benefit of the doubt.

      Anyway, there's a couple of things I'd like to mention:


      1) I am soon going to release my "Mattress Millionaire" Course.

      It is all about how to make millions without leaving your bed - and no it is nothing to do with the porn industry!


      2) I am trying to make $1 a day from my auto blogs is this possible these days? Any tips would be appreciated.


      As soon as I get a little better with photoshop, I will release the course and provide proof of the income claims etc...

      The course will normally sell for $1,997 but I have decided to deeply discount this to just $47 as I want to help as many people as I can to get rich!

      There will only be a limited number of courses available of this digital product.

      There will be a full 60 second guarantee period if anyway is not blown away.

      You can always contact support here: sucker@hidingfromtheftc.com

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      (Over)

      Always have your wits about you and seek positive reviews from forums such as this, not some review site related to the product on the internet.

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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Despite what seems to have become popular belief, it is entirely possible to construct an honest and ethical sales message, WITHOUT making it revolve around earnings. Whether people are making the amount they claim or not is hard to know....but, I do have reservations over purchasing products in which the EARNINGS are made to be the central focus of the sale. I do think that some people think that the ONLY way that they can sell product is by constructing the best, most compelling, screenshots/videos....that isn't really the truth....
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  • Profile picture of the author Goldenboy
    People can really earn in the IM world, but if will just base your work or your output from someone else, it's not that okay since you and that someone are different. I mean, differs in terms of limitations and interest. I have read in some articles way back 2001, a statement was presented "Do not believe every thing you hear, see and read." Which I then realized that it can be used as propaganda for someone to make their image as successful.
    It's not that I don't really believe that someone can earn that amount of money. Of course they can, with the IM, it is possible with sheer hard work and commitment to the work. What I'm trying to say is that earning claims can be faked or edited. And that we should be vigilant on this since they might use that in order to lure newbie that they can help them as mentor, but with the objective of just letting you pay him/her some dollars.
    Be cautious and be careful regarding earning claims.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hans Klein
    In my experience.. the guys who are really making what they claim (and are truthful about how they really made it)... aren't the guys relentlessly throwing the numbers around.

    When you really have the goods... there tends to be other things you can lay the sales pitch on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Originally Posted by Hans Klein View Post

      In my experience.. the guys who are really making what they claim (and are truthful about how they really made it)... aren't the guys relentlessly throwing the numbers around.

      When you really have the goods... there tends to be other things you can lay the sales pitch on.
      I second this Hans... I know a few affiliate guys who are completely underground and do not desire to talk about or have their earnings on display to the world.

      Quite frankly they don't find the need to brag about what they earn. I think a lot of marketers figure they need to have BIG numbers to add to their credibility when in fact what they need are clients or people who have used the information to come forward.

      When marketers use BIG numbers it immediately turns on a switch in people and everyone immediately starts fantasizing about having that much money come in everyday.

      But then reality unfortunately sets in...

      Every product launch you see the numbers keep getting BIGGER and the time to get there keeps getting shorter.
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      • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
        Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

        I second this Hans... I know a few affiliate guys who are completely underground and do not desire to talk about or have their earnings on display to the world.

        Quite frankly they don't find the need to brag about what they earn. I think a lot of marketers figure they need to have BIG numbers to add to their credibility when in fact what they need are clients or people who have used the information to come forward.

        When marketers use BIG numbers it immediately turns on a switch in people and everyone immediately starts fantasizing about having that much money come in everyday.

        But then reality unfortunately sets in...

        Every product launch you see the numbers keep getting BIGGER and the time to get there keeps getting shorter.
        Where are these guys? It seems that this would be the sort of persona that it would be worthwhile working with.

        What I'm finding so far, is anyone with any sort of an outlandish claim tends to waffles in their sales video, and gives nothing away in their sales letter, just more unfounded claims. I wouldn't buy that, but I guess there must be a market out there?
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    If anything, they make that kind of money selling overhyped products with fake income claims. I don't have any respect for most of them, tbh.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialdaniel
    I used just like you guys. I bought IM books from Warrior's, and made nothing out of them. Granted, there is some great information out there, but most of it is free.

    Buy a couple of WSO's, learn what you can, and work extremely hard. Don't spend a lot of money on WSO's (most of the time they are spewing the same things or are just crap). Do your homework and work hard. That's all I can say.
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  • Profile picture of the author robbiestone
    Theres a huge debate all around the web over claims, especially products on clickbank.

    I think thats partly what clickbank has restructured its policies to filter out those who are claiming wrong as well as false testimonials

    but... IM is just a process just like any other business so , following a process thats proven can easily achieve results

    As with any business, it takes time so find a process that suits you and go for it.

    I started back in 2007, it wasn't until I found what suited me then things took off
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  • Profile picture of the author erob
    A lot of the offers you see are just hyped up and designed to make an offer tempting. The screen shots that you see may or may not be real. The ones that are real come from people that have a massive list of buyers and affiliates helping to promote the product. I often see a lot of the gurus promoting each others offers to their own list.
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidG
    If I had made a product with the best information in it, and had an honest sales copy I would not make any money.

    Those who make the hyped up claims need to do this as a requirement.

    Name one product that stated in the sale copy to all noobs that it would take 6-8 months to get some money? None.

    I will agree that there are more and more people out there rehashing stuff and hyping it up in a different way, but also we have to agree that this is the only way to make any sales.


    It's a known and proven fact that;

    People LIKE shiney.


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    • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
      Originally Posted by regZ View Post

      If I had made a product with the best information in it, and had an honest sales copy I would not make any money.

      Those who make the hyped up claims need to do this as a requirement.

      Name one product that stated in the sale copy to all noobs that it would take 6-8 months to get some money? None.

      I will agree that there are more and more people out there rehashing stuff and hyping it up in a different way, but also we have to agree that this is the only way to make any sales.


      It's a known and proven fact that;

      People LIKE shiney.


      regZ
      Doesn't work for me at least. I'm buying a feasible result, or that is the intent.

      I hear what you're saying about promoting something as an average result, and that not taking off, if someone somewhere else has better than average. Is there then a cut-off point at which the claim becomes ridiculous, and will be dismissed out of hand?

      I'd like to actually see results - if someone says I have this site, and this site, and this site, and you can do a bit of research on it, who goes there, backlink and the like, and it looks successful, that seems a more plausible approach than believing that some 'guru' who probably isn't, is making massess of money by clicking a button three times?? That isn't shiny, there's another word for that...
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  • Profile picture of the author Edward Thomes
    Sure. I've seen a few students who could flick to the right mindset right away. But certainly not million earners.

    It lies in the ... "Do you want to be your own boss?" attitude.
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    • Profile picture of the author ipdster
      I'm going to make an analogy with the "seduction community" aka "pick-up artist community" aka "dating coaches".

      A lot of the coaches that offer $4000 weekend bootcamps make claims about their successes. For example:

      "I met a girl in the club yesterday and got laid within 15 minutes"
      "My student went from a 25 year old virgin to sleeping with 5 women in the 3 months after attending my bootcamp"
      "So far I've had 4 three-sums with different women this summer"
      "Don't invite women to dates. Invite them straight to your house"
      etc...

      And then in a lot of forums guys are skeptical about these claims. I've even met a lawyer who just can't believe that you can sleep with a woman on the same night that you meet her.

      But from first hand experience, I know that these results are VERY possible. I've met a lot of these dating coaches, have seen them work their game in nightclubs, I've seen some of their very successful students, and have tried many of their tactics with success. So far I have not found any claim that I do not believe is real.

      But what I have found is that the guys who learn these tactics and are skeptical if they work always disappear. I never hear about their positive results, and they always end up quitting.

      If you are a non-believer, then there is only one thing that I can say: CHANGE YOUR BELIEF.

      There is no way, no how, that you are going to make more money in IM then you believe is possible to make.

      If you want to wait to believe in the results when you see them, then you have already lost.
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      • Profile picture of the author jcruz
        I get where you coming from because i've been in the pickup community myself and have seen some outrageous things firsthand and committed some myself, but it's completly diffrent with IM, yes you do need faith and action but it does take time. It's always good to have a healty skepticsm and use your better judement.
        And in fact those 4,000 bootcamps that your talking about are only a temporary fix, after your done your back at square one, i've seen it time and time before. If you want to compare the two, then IM just like pickup takes time, and i know i've been involved in it for some time. Another problem i see as well is that even if these outrageous claims where true, 90% people won't even take action on the info that they where given.





        Originally Posted by ipdster View Post

        I'm going to make an analogy with the "seduction community" aka "pick-up artist community" aka "dating coaches".

        A lot of the coaches that offer $4000 weekend bootcamps make claims about their successes. For example:

        "I met a girl in the club yesterday and got laid within 15 minutes"
        "My student went from a 25 year old virgin to sleeping with 5 women in the 3 months after attending my bootcamp"
        "So far I've had 4 three-sums with different women this summer"
        "Don't invite women to dates. Invite them straight to your house"
        etc...

        And then in a lot of forums guys are skeptical about these claims. I've even met a lawyer who just can't believe that you can sleep with a woman on the same night that you meet her.

        But from first hand experience, I know that these results are VERY possible. I've met a lot of these dating coaches, have seen them work their game in nightclubs, I've seen some of their very successful students, and have tried many of their tactics with success. So far I have not found any claim that I do not believe is real.

        But what I have found is that the guys who learn these tactics and are skeptical if they work always disappear. I never hear about their positive results, and they always end up quitting.

        If you are a non-believer, then there is only one thing that I can say: CHANGE YOUR BELIEF.

        There is no way, no how, that you are going to make more money in IM then you believe is possible to make.

        If you want to wait to believe in the results when you see them, then you have already lost.
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  • Profile picture of the author Murlu
    Hey Martin,

    Figure my type of story would be something you'd be interested in reading since I believe it's a pretty accurate look at the real, hard work that goes on:

    I've been blogging for almost 4 years now and it's only been within the last year that things have started to earn money. That's right, 3 entire years of nothing.

    In the meantime, I started doing freelance writing doing about $3 an article which sucked but I was doing them in mass so I brought in about $100 - $250 a month for side income while working a full time job.

    Around the same time, I got interested in doing web design (which hasn't really panned out) but it taught me what really goes on behind the scenes and lead me to land a job as a webmaster and video editor for a small business. During my stay, I started picking up on SEO and other online marketing techniques which eventually lead to me doing them to my main blog (roughly a year ago) and now I'm at where I am today.

    I managed to leave my work but I'm getting by very minimally. With constant work, I'm making about $1,200 - $2,000 a month but the high end really only comes when I land a big freelance writing gig or get a nice boost from traffic. Realistically, it's about the same pay as a low wage job but I enjoy the freedom and it doesn't really feel like work.

    Things are growing and over the next year I'm focusing heavily into my PLR business while also working on a few things for my other blogs. I may also get back into niche websites but I'm not entirely sure at this time. I'm leaning toward local marketing because I just moved to Tampa and it's very fresh.

    Anyway, yeah, it took about 4 years to get to where I'm at today and it's certainly not glamorous and "made $100k overnight"; I bust my ass every day but I love what I'm doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author ebusinesstutor
    I believe a lot of the claims, especially from beginners are fraudulent or exaggerated.

    It took me 18 months to push my income over 100K and start being successful. Not saying others couldn't do it sooner, but if you look at the Alexa rankings of a lot of them, they obviously don't have the traffic to do it.

    An established top Internet marketer can easily make big bucks during a campaign, but they have established lists and JV partners to make this level possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author evelyng
    The money is in the niche - and NO-ONE is ever going to reveal their money niche. I have a friend with one site and he's making $8,000/month. I have 25 sites - which I THOUGHT were all good niches (5 of them have keywords on Page 1 of Google), and I had my best month ever last month after 4 years ($750.00) Sigh. . .
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
      Originally Posted by evelyng View Post

      The money is in the niche - and NO-ONE is ever going to reveal their money niche. I have a friend with one site and he's making $8,000/month. I have 25 sites - which I THOUGHT were all good niches (5 of them have keywords on Page 1 of Google), and I had my best month ever last month after 4 years ($750.00) Sigh. . .
      The interesting thing - those differences in earnings - niche related, or based on your approach? I assume your friend will discuss with you how he does this?
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      • Profile picture of the author WholesalerJoe
        I average bout $6000 a month now but have seen better months things seem to be slowing down all over!
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  • Profile picture of the author ebusinesstutor
    I am reminded of a Foxtrot cartoon, where Jason's father has just ordered a booklet on "How To Be A Millionaire."

    While reading the booklet, the father says something like, "Apparently the secret is just to create a product for $200 and to sell it to $5,000 people. But you'd think they would at least give you an example of a product."

    Jason says, "What did you pay for that booklet, $199.99?"

    So much of what is being done is overhyped BS. This isn't bad, it actually gives us a chance to stand out by being unique and doing something different.

    The goal would be to find a target community you want to work with and start developing a plan for how to help them and make a profit doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author VeronicaD
    I believe that many people do make those outrageous claims that they make. However, if they're selling their entire system I have to doubt they're telling EVERYTHING. Screenshots can be faked by someone who is good at graphics. That's why video proofs are the way to go in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
      I busted one fake screenshot here. But some people keep saying it's okay if the screenshot is fake as long as people get results.

      Originally Posted by VeronicaD View Post

      I believe that many people do make those outrageous claims that they make. However, if they're selling their entire system I have to doubt they're telling EVERYTHING. Screenshots can be faked by someone who is good at graphics. That's why video proofs are the way to go in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
    A lot of income claims are like this; A person will work hard for a few months and may pull in a $500 day from affiliate sales. They will then create a product and state that you are able to make $500/day.

    They take one day earnings and market the product as though that's the average income per day. Gotta read that fine print.
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    • Profile picture of the author wgempire
      These people are making their million selling the products in the ads that they created, not from actually using the products themselves.

      For them, it is all about what they can make you believe.

      Ask your self this- if you had a magic software that could create 100k overnight with just a few clicks of the button would you tell everyone about?

      would you sell it for $47 or even $99?

      If such a product actually was out there that did what these sales pages say they do, it would be on news and everyone would be doing it and quitting their jobs.

      however, yes there are people making these crazy amounts of money, they didnt do by some miracle, they did their homework and are following a proven system that works and are probably not telling anyone else about it, why would they afterall.

      oh if you do find a miracle software that actually does what it says, pm me and let me know. lol

      I have found one system that actually delivers what it promises, it is the very same program that I am following and got me off to a great start in affiliate marketing, I have tried several and this one is by far the best, hands down.

      Pm me if you would like more details, I dont want to post the link here and seem like I am turning your thread into a spammy one.

      Thanks
      Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author jbtalk2me
    I've been IMing for 6 years. I've made over 100K during two of the years. I made less that 30K two of those years and somewhere in between the other two. My biggest year was my FIRST.

    Systems change, tactics change, markets change... that's the tough part. IMHO
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