New process for getting product reviews

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As has been noted, the product review request situation has led to some serious flooding of places that don't benefit from it. Add in the fact that a big chunk of the people posting them have used them as WSO pre-selling systems, and you've got an abuse problem.

Here's the new process:

1. Product review requests should be posted in the Wanted - Members Looking To Hire You section.

2. All review request thread titles must start with the tag [Reviewers wanted].

3. You may ask potential reviewers to contact you via any combination of the following: Post in the thread, PM you, or send you an email. No outbound links (other than an email address) may be included in the body of the request, and you must close your thread prior to posting a WSO for the product being reviewed.

In short, don't try to use this as a pre-selling system for an upcoming WSO.

4. Product creators may put whatever qualifying criteria they wish on potential reviewers. Must have X posts, must have been a member for Y amount of time, first name must begin and end with a vowel... whatever. If you do not meet those criteria, don't ask for a review copy of the product.

5. Critiques should be sent via whatever method the product creator specifies. Don't ask for a copy if you aren't going to actually review it and provide feedback. "Cool stuff" is not feedback.

This same process may be used to find beta-testers for new sites and software.

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I know this isn't perfect, but it's closer than the way we've been doing things to this point. We are not going to add a separate section for review requests, as it would quickly become a mess. Too many people will abuse any free advertising they can find in any way they can get away with, as we've been reminded in the MMO and JV sections lately.

The best way to get traffic to your requests is probably going to be a link in your signature. Please don't start posting "Look at my sig" for this.

Comments or suggestions?


Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author phoenikz
    Okay.. its much better classified
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  • Profile picture of the author Ray Abraham
    I just posted mine a few hours ago in the JV section
    (as suggested by some senior members).

    Do I need to close it down and create a new one?
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    What about the "Review my website" posts too Paul?
    These are just being posted on the main forum to gain traffic
    to their sites in most cases.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Les,
      What about the "Review my website" posts too Paul?
      Depends on the topic. If we believe it's a legitimate request for help, it will survive. If it looks like a sneaky traffic approach, we'll nuke it.

      Judgement call. Part of the process.


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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Les,Depends on the topic. If we believe it's a legitimate request for help, it will survive. If it looks like a sneaky traffic approach, we'll nuke it.

        Judgement call. Part of the process.


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        Wouldn't they fall under website design Paul?
        Website Design
        I'd actually forgotten about that forum when I first asked this question.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Les,

          Depends on which aspect of the site they're looking for critique on. Could be site design, sure. Could also be copy, or sales funnel, or product, or... Pretty much anything.

          If it looks like pre-promotion, we'll nuke it. Or if it's in the wrong section, or...

          Review requests outside the rules listed above won't get much leeway.


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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          I know this isn't perfect, but it's closer than the way we've been doing things to this point....

          Comments or suggestions?

          Paul
          Better than the way it's been done to date. Question. Does this affect in any way the two-tier pricing that some have used, with a lower price for people who purchase and leave a review?

          Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

          What about the "Review my website" posts too Paul?
          These are just being posted on the main forum to gain traffic
          to their sites in most cases.
          Some of these are really legitimate newbie questions and they get some very constructive feedback on their sites. The traffic they get is short lived so it really shouldn't be considered as a viable traffic source. There's the occasional questionable jackmonkey who thinks he's going to make sales by making us look, but my feeling is that most are people who are launching their first sites and just need someone to tell them if it's ok or what they should change.

          Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

          Wouldn't they fall under website design Paul?
          Website Design
          I'd actually forgotten about that forum when I first asked this question.
          Does anyone ever go in there other than people selling stuff? lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Suzanne,
            Does this affect in any way the two-tier pricing that some have used, with a lower price for people who purchase and leave a review?
            Nope. That's a marketing decision, and it's completely transparent. There's no need for us to get involved in that.

            I doubt most of the sellers expect that to be the cause of much in the way of reviews. It's more likely they're looking at the increased sales from folks who want a deal.


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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Seems like a sensible solution. I agree they do all need to be in one place and by putting them in a section of the forum where people will have to pay to ask for reviews it will get rid of some of the nuisance threads.

    I have a couple of quick questions though:

    1. This rule applies not only to WSO's but ALL product reviews, correct? Anything that someone is planning on selling for money, whether it be a product or service, whether it will be sold on this forum or not?

    2. This is only for reviews BEFORE a product has launched? Can someone still do this if they have already launched a product and are looking for some feedback because of slow sales?

    3. Do you think this will increase the amount of 'behind the scenes' PM's now from people looking for product reviews? I hope not!
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Will,

      Yep. ALL reviews.

      Nope. Any time they want feedback. Note that the word used is review, not testimonial.

      We don't get into what people send to each other via PM.


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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Nope. Any time they want feedback. Note that the word used is review, not testimonial.
        I only asked because of this line from the new rules...

        "you must close your thread prior to posting a WSO link for the product being reviewed."

        Just want it to be clear because we know how much people around here love looking for loopholes
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Will,

    Sorry. Good point.

    Yes, you can request reviews for products that are not and never will be sold here as WSO's.


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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Sounds like school days. Hopefully people will remember the laws. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    I recently posted in the JV section as I was unable to find clear instruction on where I should have posted, I found several conflicting directions/opinions, and was told by some that "that's where everyone does it".

    I publicly apologize if I was in error. On a forum this large, it's not always easy to find the info you need. Thank you very much for the clarification, and your rule sounds very reasonable.

    Michael D. Forbes
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Hi Paul,
    Curious to why the Wanted - Members Looking To Hire You section was used for this
    when the Internet Marketing Product Reviews & Ratings section exists?

    Was it because of the word "Wanted"?

    Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author Raja Kamil
    Thanks Paul for this alternative, often I don't know, what is the best possible ways to ask for review in WF.
    Thus, ending me up posting a thread at Warrior Joint Ventures

    IMHO, this thread must be at Warrior Joint Ventures, so that everyone there will noticed about this new rules.

    I myself as example, come across this thread by accident when browsing Main Internet Marketing Discussion Forum.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Regards;
    Raja Kamil


    UPDATE : I found Ken have post about this thread, please make it sticky
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
    Maybe we could benefit from a new forum category specifically for reviews, it could also then have subsections like product reviews and web site reviews.

    I don't know the ins and outs of creating a forum but this could be a good option.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Michael,
      Curious to why the Wanted - Members Looking To Hire You section was used for this
      when the Internet Marketing Product Reviews & Ratings section exists?
      We were telling people to use the reviews section, but it got out of hand, and it's not really what that section is for. That's for existing products, and these were chasing people away.

      Stephen,
      Maybe we could benefit from a new forum category specifically for reviews, it could also then have subsections like product reviews and web site reviews.
      As I mentioned in the first post, that's not a practical option. It would become a real mess, fast.


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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    Can this be stickied please?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    That's a nice gesture of the forum, but I have to ask...

    What's the problem with people doing it the old way? You know, creating a relationship with others and people on this forum first and then ask maybe 2 or 3 of your trusted Warrior friends to review it for you. Although that would not guarantee you a review .. only if it were worthy.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      That's a nice gesture of the forum, but I have to ask...

      What's the problem with people doing it the old way? You know, creating a relationship with others and people on this forum first and then ask maybe 2 or 3 of your trusted Warrior friends to review it for you. Although that would not guarantee you a review .. only if it were worthy.
      These rules do not stop people requesting reviews from their trusted Warrior friends via PM. This is to stop all those other people who do NOT have any 'friends' they can ask for reviews and are left to do it publicly.

      Besides, the best and most honest reviews are going to be from people you do not know.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    seems like a more organised way of doing this. I am sure it will work.

    Thanks paul from across the pond.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Anything that helps to keep the main forum
    focused can only be a good thing.

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  • Profile picture of the author webfighter
    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

    first name must begin and end with a vowel...
    I'm sure a lot of people will be missing out.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    Thank you, Paul. This makes my job as a moderator of the Reviews section easier. Ken and I have to deal with so many scammers, cheats and frauds on a daily basis and it all relies on our judgement. I've always found these requests for reviews to be particularly difficult to judge and I'm glad they have gone.

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  • Profile picture of the author grover69
    Glad to see this change happen. I hopped into the JV forum the other day and I wondered where I was for a second.
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  • Profile picture of the author bretski
    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

    5. Critiques should be sent via whatever method the product creator specifies. Don't ask for a copy if you aren't going to actually review it and provide feedback. "Cool stuff" is not feedback.
    Agreed... too many lame reviewers that were just looking for a handout soured me to giving review copies to anyone other than those folks that I like. Any sort of feedback is better than silence.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben_R
    "and you must close your thread prior to posting a WSO link for the product being reviewed."


    what does this mean can someone please clarify this ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Ben,
      "and you must close your thread prior to posting a WSO link for the product being reviewed."

      what does this mean can someone please clarify this ?
      That word "link" created a bit of confusion, I think. I've removed it from the original.

      Basically, if you ask for reviews using this process, you must close the thread before posting the product for sale as a WSO. That will mostly prevent people from using the review request as a WSO pre-sell.


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