Is learning IM like learning to cook?

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One of the recurring themes around here is people hunting for 'the' system they can use to make money. They want to learn. That's cool.

Another recurring theme is 'modeling success', which is also cool.

What many people don't do is model that success all the way.

Which leads me to my subject line...

What happens when you learn to cook?

> You learn a few basic techniques.
> You learn to follow a recipe.
> If you aim for more than simply avoiding starvation, you start finding role models and following them.

If you develop a passion for it, and you keep growing, you hit the magic moment.

Picture it...

You're following a recipe, adding some of this and some of that, and you wonder to yourself, "self, what would happen if we added some of this other thing instead?" You do it, and it tastes good. You keep trying things, adding your own twists and variations on the proven model you've chosen. Some work, some don't. At some point you realize you know WHY the ones that don't work, don't.

Now you've modeled success completely.

The same goes for IM.

> Learn the basics.
> Learn a model or system that works for someone else.

When that magic moment comes, and you think of something you want to try, do it. If it works or doesn't, try to understand WHY.

Soon, you'll be doing things that you've come up with on your own, and you'll be doing them because you understand why you're doing them. Not because the gooroo of the month does them.

At that point, you'll be a marketer rather than a mimic.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    the only difference is that when people are cooking they don't stop half way through the recipe buy another recipe and leave the other meal half cooked.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kronom
      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      the only difference is that when people are cooking they don't stop half way through the recipe buy another recipe and leave the other meal half cooked.
      Very, very true, I have two different courses, the older one I have not ever touched yet, it is very hard to resist sometimes, the best thing is to probably change your email address or unsubscribe from all the forums and marketing sites until you sorted out what you are doing. :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author James Clark
        Well there is more than one way to learn cooking. My mother and grandmother taught me how to cook. I learned by watch both of them. I can't follow a recipe though. Just don't have the patience. Also, can't cook for a lot of people. When I have to cook for two people I'm ok with that, more will get me confused greatly.

        But I think IM is more like learning how to play golf. A tip here tip there, keep in mind, the tips don't work forever. When you start out the tips will work but sooner or later you have the learn some solid fundamentals b/c you'll run out of tips.

        The funny thing is this. A strong will to succeed will overcome a mechanical fault. Thats why you have to be careful who you listen to in the beginning.
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    • Profile picture of the author OhSusanna
      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      the only difference is that when people are cooking they don't stop half way through the recipe buy another recipe and leave the other meal half cooked.

      Okay...can I borrow this @nicholasb? This is a brilliant analogy. I love it.

      I would also add that not only do they stop cooking half way through....they don't clean up the mess that they left.
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  • Profile picture of the author DR's Fynest
    Very good analogy John.

    I myself couldn't cook to save my life. Cereal, and ham and cheese sandwiches was all I could really cook from scratch.

    However, my girl has been "coaching" me on how to cook other things. I've been able to replicate some of her "success" by watching step by step how she cooks some of my favorite meals.

    I love pasta. At one point I saw how she was cutting an onion into small pieces and I thought, "Hey, I know a better way to do that... I've watched my grandmother do it before..."

    Now that you bring up this post, IM is the same way. We may learn many different ways to do ONE thing. We can then decide which one is most effective and convenient to us.

    P.S. - I still can't stand cutting onions. Just throwing that out there. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by DR's Fynest View Post

      Very good analogy John.

      I myself couldn't cook to save my life. Cereal, and ham and cheese sandwiches was all I could really cook from scratch.

      However, my girl has been "coaching" me on how to cook other things. I've been able to replicate some of her "success" by watching step by step how she cooks some of my favorite meals.

      I love pasta. At one point I saw how she was cutting an onion into small pieces and I thought, "Hey, I know a better way to do that... I've watched my grandmother do it before..."

      Now that you bring up this post, IM is the same way. We may learn many different ways to do ONE thing. We can then decide which one is most effective and convenient to us.

      P.S. - I still can't stand cutting onions. Just throwing that out there. lol
      Keep at it. One day you may be fixing one of those meals and say to yourself, "I bet it would taste good if I used a little more X and maybe some Y."

      That's when you go from "knowing how to cook" to "being a cook".

      PS- I don't know anyone who likes chopping onions. Try putting the onions in the fridge for an hour or so before chopping. You don't get as many volatiles in the air. Some people also swear by wearing goggles or safety glasses while chopping.
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      • Profile picture of the author JToneyUK
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

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        PS- I don't know anyone who likes chopping onions. Try putting the onions in the fridge for an hour or so before chopping. You don't get as many volatiles in the air. Some people also swear by wearing goggles or safety glasses while chopping.
        Here's a top tip! Onions react with liquid/moisture and that is why it makes your eyes water. Next time, just dab your cheeks with some water. This way the onion will react to that moisture first before it gets to your eye. Works every time
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  • Profile picture of the author aridz
    I'm bad in cooking.. sure I will not get any income if IM is just like learning to cook.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Wise words.

    You can learn to cook and you can have the recipes and all the ingredients but if you fundamentally are not passionate about food - you'll still only ever be average.

    A lot of people get into IM thinking once someone tells them what works it's simply a matter of doing it, but they don't realise that if you're only doing it for the money you're very likely to reach a point where you're just not taking enough action because you're doing things that you're not passionate about.

    The best chef's love food and love to work with food and create excellence - no amount of copying their techniques will give you their passion - the same for IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Very nice thread ... I wonder how many will actually "get" that to go from "cooking" to "being a cook" you have to start adding your own ingredients and experimenting?
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      A while back when I wanted to become a cooker I knew I needed to learn the basics. The internet is good for finding that stuff out.

      So I bought a report for $7 which told me the fastest way I would jumpstart my cooking career was to buy a microwave and that would get me going.

      So I bought a microwave and tried to make toast for breakfast. Immediately I found out I'd need more than the microwave to be a good cooker. So I bought another $7 report on how to make that toast.

      It said I would need to get this thing called a toaster. So I did. I was pretty sure at that time I was on my way to being a good cook.

      The next day I got an email from the toaster guru with an affiliate link to the crock pot guru's offer. Naturally, all that new information made all the other old information seem outdated. I only had 9 hours left to buy the crock pot at the good guy price so I did. It came with a recipe book that I'll get around to reading one day.

      The next thing to come up on my radar was BBQ'd ribs. Man, did they look good. Unfortunately, my microwave, my toaster, and my crock pot won't cut the mustard for this job so I found myself signing up for a $7 report on barbecuing with an affiliate link to a BBQ on Amazon. Now I am the proud owner of a four burner BBQ, and of course I went for the rotisserie upsell. I'm trying to do this cooking thing the right way.

      Fortunately for me, the BBQ guru knew another guy who apparently knows George Foreman personally and he included an affiliate link in his $7 report for this really cool grill that nobody should be without. And that includes me. They had an upsell for an indispensible apron and hat for $19.95 plus S&H and I sprang for those as well. I'm serious about this cooking thing.

      And being serious means that late night TV is a must if you're going to master cooking. I found out about this Magic Bullet blender doohickey from an infomercial that darn near does everything I'll ever need to become a master cooker. So now I'm the proud owner of two of those things. I got the second one at an unbelievable discount once I called in using the 1-800 number.

      Heck, I even got these incredible silicon rubber baking pans in case I ever want to try my hand at baking once I feel I've mastered cooking. Nothing sticks to them. It's unbelievable! I love TV.

      I also learned that nothing I do in life is going to matter unless I stay healthy and fortunately for me they sell this Juicer that won't make me a better cook, but at least I'll be cooking longer. No doubt stole the thing at only $199.

      At this point I could probably mention the bread maker, and the pasta maker, and the omlette maker, the "Set It and Forget It" Rotisserie, and all the other things I've purchased in my quest to become a good cook that have reduced my kitchen counterspace to the size of a deck of playing cards, but I'll spare you that for the moment.

      I'll tell you about those once my cooking pdf is finished and my affiliate links to Amazon are up and running. It'll be the best $7 you ever spent.

      And if you're like me, you'll be happy to know that buying all that stuff feels just as good as actually becoming a cook. That's right, I get to live the dream, and the best part about it is I don't have to do any of the work.

      I outsource all that stuff to McDonalds.

      ~Bill

      P.S. Don't forget to buy my "Seven Secrets Guru Gourmets Don't Want You to Know About" when it comes out. I won't really feel like I've become a good cook until this report starts selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    What a great post and I agree. IM is all about finding a recipe! If you dont have the proper recipe, you will quit IM because it wont work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    I still remember the day that I discovered that canned tuna and a can of tuna cat food are NOT the same... ....it left a bad taste in my mouth (insert rimshot).

    But seriously, John you are right on the money with your analogy.

    It also applies to those who make money teaching others to cook. If you are only showing people how to heat up a pop tart, don't advertise that it is a master chef course.
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  • Profile picture of the author alzack
    Good analogy. I'm trying some recipes here. Among them are the SEO recipes (sounds like cooking SEO) and also the SEO Fast Attack... haha...those are among the two WSO i purchased and tried to follow their recipe.

    But off course, along the way, I modified it a little. I think I have a short cut. I just found it. It's easier and it's working. Now, I just want to perfect it and repeat it again. I want to see whether it is repeatable.

    Oh I love SEO cooking. Ops... I mean "IM" cooking... The adventure of trial and error during following the recipe is a good gamble. Then when the results are there, I become happy... haha...

    IM = cooking
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    Great analogy. And as with anything the only limits that exist after learning the basics are those of your imagination. Most people making big bucks only do so because they get creative and start thinking of a number of things as opposed to following a linear path of something that has been proven to work. Taking risks and getting creative like any good chef is also key.
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    • Profile picture of the author SuccessStory
      Couldn't agree more!

      Originally Posted by YasirYar View Post

      Great analogy. And as with anything the only limits that exist after learning the basics are those of your imagination. Most people making big bucks only do so because they get creative and start thinking of a number of things as opposed to following a linear path of something that has been proven to work. Taking risks and getting creative like any good chef is also key.
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  • Profile picture of the author BWellman
    I try not to get sidelined by all the offers and systems and claims made, and I know that the learning curve is steep when first starting out. Coming into this business with [that] in mind and the fact that I still have a regular paying job is one of the reasons I'm willing to put in effort and don't expect much in the beginning. I'd love to make thousands overnight, but that's a farce when I'm still just trying to learn how to fix my damn wordpress theme.

    I am willing to take the time and effort to build relationships with people and learn from those who have come before me and I'm not expecting unrealistic things to occur. People need to think about REALITY! For some reason it's like they open a site and all reason leaves their brain. If all the bogus claims were true then everyone would be a millionaire and no one would ever have to work.

    I may be new to the biz and to the forum, but I'm not stupid or crazy and I've always had my head in the clouds but my feet on the ground... If people would just apply a little common sense to their business, they might make better decisions and not get distracted by the new shiny button on the screen, because sometimes that shiny button opens the trap door you're standing on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    Internet marketing is like fishing.

    Some people have the patience to just sit there, with their rod knowing that a fish will come and they will catch it.

    Some people are wily, these are the people who can shine fish into their hands with just a flash light or use clever lures to trick the fish.

    Some people already have a rod and a bait, but want to buy every accessory, every guide available, even though they have everything they need.




    And some people just blow the sh*t out of everything with dynamite, catch a load of fish but ruin it for everyone else, including the fish.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Rough Outline View Post

      Some people already have a rod and a bait, but want to buy every accessory, every guide available, even though they have everything they need.
      You're in the UK. How the heck did you get a look in my garage? :confused::p
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  • Profile picture of the author Kate C
    One of the quickest ways to make it in IM is to teach people how to do IM. People want solutions to their problems so if you can show them solutions, either through software that helps them achieve something or tutorials, you are in good shape. Also, if you have a skill and offer services, you make money fast. Lastly, you can offer a service that you then outsource if you are not the expert and deliver the goods to the client yourself and get paid.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    "I've got some 2 minute noodles here. How can I make a roast chicken dinner out of it?"

    ".....I dont want to spend too much time in the kitchen either."

    "...Oh, and I want someone else to wash up."
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  • Profile picture of the author Tenzo
    I really like this analogy-maybe because offline I'm a professional Chef. I remember a discussion with one of my instructors in culinary school, who gave a lesson about focusing on proper principles and ingredient knowledge versus recipes. Often, the families of culinary students would expect them to have an encyclopedic knowledge of classic dishes, not realizing that we could all get those recipes at a bookstore(or the internet, now). He chose to focus on understanding processes, mastering technique, and learning the characteristics of assorted ingredients.

    IM is exactly the same.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Jordan
    IM is like cooking cuz you need to do it right otherwise nobody will like it. You also need to think of new things to cook, adapt, experiment... to make it interesting.
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    • Profile picture of the author SuccessStory
      Well said Mark, I like that!

      Originally Posted by Mark Jordan View Post

      IM is like cooking cuz you need to do it right otherwise nobody will like it. You also need to think of new things to cook, adapt, experiment... to make it interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
    Nice comparison..

    IM is really overrated, it's really like any other skill...

    Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author Lucas Adamski
    It's a great analogy. It really all comes down to finding the right recipe and then just repeating the process. Finding systems that work and scaling it up
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    • Profile picture of the author MrRSmith
      Originally Posted by Lucas Adamski View Post

      It's a great analogy. It really all comes down to finding the right recipe and then just repeating the process. Finding systems that work and scaling it up
      Good point Lucas. Good point indeed. Once you find something simple, Rinse and Repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaywebdev
    I really agree! I still remember the days when I'm new on this online business, I keep on reading tips or any effective strategy but I'm afraid to give a try. Till I have applied it, tested and observed.. So that's what I learned. Keep trying, discovering and observing the result. Till you can really understand the flow and next time you know how to handled it well.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Tenzo View Post

      I really like this analogy-maybe because offline I'm a professional Chef. I remember a discussion with one of my instructors in culinary school, who gave a lesson about focusing on proper principles and ingredient knowledge versus recipes. Often, the families of culinary students would expect them to have an encyclopedic knowledge of classic dishes, not realizing that we could all get those recipes at a bookstore(or the internet, now). He chose to focus on understanding processes, mastering technique, and learning the characteristics of assorted ingredients.

      IM is exactly the same.

      Best,
      Kevin
      Kevin, my late grandfather spent most of his career (at least the part I was alive to see) as the head chef at a AAA 4-diamond restaurant. This is exactly what he tried to teach us kids whenever we showed any interest.

      He had two talents which always amazed me as a kid. I now know that those were actually one part talent and three parts learned skill.

      The first was that he could taste a dish and tell you what was in it, what seasonings were used, etc.

      The second was that he could take a pile of seemingly unrelated ingredients, work his magic, and come up with something delicious.

      Reaching that point in one's business career will allow you to adapt and succeed no matter what is thrown at you.

      Originally Posted by Lucas Adamski View Post

      It's a great analogy. It really all comes down to finding the right recipe and then just repeating the process. Finding systems that work and scaling it up
      Excellent point. Making a great dish (or making money once) could be blind luck. Being able to consistently repeat that dish will make you a star. Or a very rich person, however you define the word 'rich'...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    .....and some people don't even cook, they always order take out!

    Great analogy John. Very appropos.....

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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    I just want to hire the cooks.

    C'mon, I know I aint the only one
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    • Profile picture of the author marcuslim
      Another way they are similar is that in both you only learn when you do it. So you can memorize the recipes and ingredients and steps in your head, but until you actually do it, you won't actually be cooking. Same as IM. Until you take action implementing the free gift, or the blog site, or the autoresponder sequence, it's just information in your head. So taking action is important in both, because true learning happens only when you do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sonny Am
    This is an incredibly interesting thread and has made me think quite a bit, maybe a real comparison can be made.
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    • Profile picture of the author SuccessStory
      Very cool thread!

      I don't believe in "blindly" following someone elses success. It goes against the very nature of being an entrepreneur... Hey, we entrepreneurs don't follow any rules, we invent the rules.

      I myself need the freedom of creation, and do things my way. By definition, we don't follow - we lead. However, we should pick the things we like about others (which is following to some degree) and make them our own.

      This is the process of growing. We get inspired by other successful people, and we can tap into what they do. But we are not "them". We need to modify some things so that we work with our own strengths, rather than weeknesses.

      If someone is having success doing A,B and C, it's because they have a natural talent for A,B and C. You might need A, B and D instead.

      Of course, this is a business. And in business, some things must be there for it to work.

      There are so many options in IM, so many ways of achieving the same goal. So yes, following to some degree, but we are different and unique. And our way needs to be unique, or we loose our passion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Great post. I love to cook.

    How many of you top chefs use that SPAM in your meals? What's the taste like?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeanne Lovely
    Learning to Cook was easy for me, learning a recipe for IM was allot harder - I tried to complicate it all LOL

    Now that I have the "recipe" I am creating my own products and repeating the :recipe" over and over - at least with IM my family and friends will not get tired of the same thing day after day !

    Good Post
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      First off, thanks to all who have made contributions. I'm glad I could touch a chord with some of you...

      Originally Posted by Jeanne Lovely View Post

      Learning to Cook was easy for me, learning a recipe for IM was allot harder - I tried to complicate it all LOL

      Now that I have the "recipe" I am creating my own products and repeating the :recipe" over and over - at least with IM my family and friends will not get tired of the same thing day after day !

      Good Post
      This is a recurring theme in both IM and cooking. We look at the finished dish, or the successful business model, and tell ourselves that it just can't be that simple.

      Sometimes all that steak really needs is a little salt and pepper...
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  • Profile picture of the author jacken
    In order to learn a new recipe, you have to consider trying it and cooking them for several times. Just like IM, you'll never know the results, unless you try.
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