Jeff Johnson banned from YouTube!

I think that even though some folks around here think he's some kind of god, he's a small fish in YouTube's pond. If they decide to clean up the mess they've made by allowing the crap they've allowed, especially by so-called "marketers", he's not big enough in their world to warrant special consideration.

I don't remember watching Johnson's YT videos, so this is not directed at him. But I'm really getting sick of crap posted under the guise of SEO that is nothing but a scroll of a bad article, just so the SEO can put a link in the description. Same goes for a handful of screen shots interspersed with photos that ignore copyrights, with a popular song as background music (also ignoring the copyright).

I'm sorry for JJ if he's putting up quality stuff, but when you fly with the ducks, sometimes the hunters shoot at you...

When Google gets hit with a major defamation lawsuit this nonsense will end.

Until then, any one not like marketing videos can run around flagging video after video getting people not just banned, but reported as scammers by Google.

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As a private company if Google does not want certain videos on its website that is its business.

However, Google also requires everyone to enter into a contract to use the service. There is nothing in the contract, or community guidelines prohibiting the many videos that are causing Warrior accounts to be nuked.

That could be considered fraud by Google because you are relying upon their written terms for making videos and operating a business around them, but Google is using different, secret terms against you.

Most importantly, there is absolutely no justification for the huge notices Google has been placing telling the world that people are fraudsters and scammers.

None. It is defamatory.

There are prior threads about this problem.

Oddly, I have not heard of Google banning the exact same videos, or transcriptions of the videos on other Google properties (sites, pages, knol, G+, etc.), or from its search index.

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On the other hand, to prove defamation you have to show the statement is false. In other words, that you are not a fraudster or scammer - and whatever is in video is true and, for instance, does make the typical user money.

You know what they say ... talk is cheap (video), but can you walk the walk (prove it up)?


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There are millions listed videos with "Youtube" in their title. That's certainly not the reason why they took him down.

You mean like using "Google Places Zen Master" in your website title?

Actually, his videos have been online for several years now. I've not seen any other IM videos on youtube with hundreds of thousands of views.

Reminds me of the time when T.Dub Jackson's (pen name behind Magic of Making Up) videos were banned from YouTube.

I could understand if these videos were uploaded like a couple months before. Well, I still do understand why the videos could have been banned - but the fact that they had been up there for a while now and were being used in sales funnels etc. makes me sympathize with these gurus.

I love the irony in the above statement. Last I heard, Google, YouTube, and PayPal are three of the biggest players in MMO, and don't make money per se with offline efforts.

Marvin

He's just explaining where to put links that you are allowed to put into your descriptions and things.

How's that abuse?

And what about movie trailers that promote movies?

The entire internet, to do whatever we can imagine doing with it, and of course, offline channels still make billions as well. Even if Google banned every member of this forum for life, there's no reason for any of us to get discouraged.

Look at Jason Fladlien-he's made millions from this forum alone-no SEO, Youtube or Google ads needed, and for a few bucks, he'll show you how to do the same.

You base this statement on what facts please?

What is Google main source of income?

No offense, but this made me laugh.

Let me ask you one thing - if Google doesn't care about Adwords, how else do you think Google makes money from the bulk of their search results?

Google IS interested in what most all other companies are: the bottom line.

Q4 Financial Highlights

Revenues - Google reported revenues of $8.44 billion in the fourth quarter of 2010, representing a 26% increase over fourth quarter 2009 revenues of $6.67 billion. Google reports its revenues, consistent with GAAP, on a gross basis without deducting TAC.
Google Sites Revenues - Google-owned sites generated revenues of $5.67 billion, or 67% of total revenues, in the fourth quarter of 2010. This represents a 28% increase over fourth quarter 2009 revenues of $4.42 billion.
Google Network Revenues - Google's partner sites generated revenues, through AdSense programs, of $2.50 billion, or 30% of total revenues, in the fourth quarter of 2010. This represents a 22% increase from fourth quarter 2009 network revenues of $2.04 billion.
International Revenues - Revenues from outside of the United States totaled $4.38 billion, representing 52% of total revenues in the fourth quarter of 2010, compared to 52% in the third quarter of 2010 and 53% in the fourth quarter of 2009. Excluding gains related to our foreign exchange risk management program, had foreign exchange rates remained constant from the third quarter of 2010 through the fourth quarter of 2010, our revenues in the fourth quarter of 2010 would have been $201 million lower. Excluding gains related to our foreign exchange risk management program, had foreign exchange rates remained constant from the fourth quarter of 2009 through the fourth quarter of 2010, our revenues in the fourth quarter of 2010 would have been $132 million higher.

• Revenues from the United Kingdom totaled $878 million, representing 10% of revenues in the fourth quarter of 2010, compared to 12% in the fourth quarter of 2009.
• In the fourth quarter of 2010, we recognized a benefit of $25 million to revenues through our foreign exchange risk management program, compared to $8 million in the fourth quarter of 2009.

Paid Clicks - Aggregate paid clicks, which include clicks related to ads served on Google sites and the sites of our AdSense partners, increased approximately 18% over the fourth quarter of 2009 and increased approximately 11% over the third quarter of 2010.
Cost-Per-Click - Average cost-per-click, which includes clicks related to ads served on Google sites and the sites of our AdSense partners, increased approximately 5% over the fourth quarter of 2009 and increased approximately 4% over the third quarter of 2010.
TAC - Traffic Acquisition Costs, the portion of revenues shared with Google's partners, increased to $2.07 billion in the fourth quarter of 2010, compared to TAC of $1.72 billion in the fourth quarter of 2009. TAC as a percentage of advertising revenues was 25% in the fourth quarter of 2010, compared to 27% in the fourth quarter of 2009.
The majority of TAC is related to amounts ultimately paid to our AdSense partners, which totaled $1.74 billion in the fourth quarter of 2010. TAC also includes amounts ultimately paid to certain distribution partners and others who direct traffic to our website, which totaled $333 million in the fourth quarter of 2010.

Snipped from Google Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2010 Results and Management Changes - Google Investor Relations


Google will do what is needed to increase the bottom line and keep investors and private interest(s) happy. It's the American way!

That vicious, paranoid price fixing accusation originated at the site of mean spirited, whining, hating losers-"salty droid", for whom everyone who's ever had any success is scum, worthy of their insults and hate. (Are you sure you didn't subconsciously borrow the word "cartel" from the "droid"-because that's the word they used for what you described-applied to Kern, Reese, etc?)

I spent a few hours once, reading the garbage on that site, and listening to the "evidence" they base their asinine accusations on-in the case you speak of, a scratchy tape of the gurus, "conspiring". The only reason I don't regret it is because now I know what to tell anyone who ever brings them up as a source of information-you're better off getting advice from the contents of the plastic bag you took on your dog walk.

As far as I'm concerned, being hated and accused of awful deeds by them is a sign that you've probably done something worthwhile. We should all hope to be in that esteemed company. Every prominent Warrior is a target of their abuse, along with the likes of Tony Robbins, etc.

That's a fact of life! Did you see the size of the US debt? Is anyone afraid of gazillions?

Google can and does what it wants.

I disagree with banning adwords, adsense and youtube because the rules change and leaving no path to correcting the issues and getting the account unbanned.

The truth is they have grown so big that most of us do not matter to them.

I think that attitude will be there ultimate downfall. When they have angered enough people, I believe the socially connected world rebel against it. Time will tell.

I'd never heard of this guy. Now I have.

I'm guessing he's going to milk it for all it is worth.

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Well if it's a substantial part of your business you probably would moan about it, and with cause.


Relatively speaking obviously the child's situation is worse, that doesn't mean that this doesn't still potentially suck for JJ and his bottom line.

Move on is good advice, and compassion for people who suffer a possibly preventable tragic fate is admirable, but this line of reasoning is unlikely to be followed by anyone.

Does this mean you would never complain about anything you don't think is fair, short of people starving? You'd be a saint if that were the case.

Bing, Yahoo, and a huge list of other video sharing sites.

Adwords is not the only place to put your money into paid advertising.

Adsense is not the only place to grab ads for your sites.

Youtube is not the only place to put your videos up.

It's kinda funny and sad at the same time but if all of Google was to disappear by tomorrow a lot of people would be in a really bad place over night.

Pushing the bar is what helps drive innovation...good point indeed.
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Agree here, not enough of time in the day for people to be going through the videos.

I can see your points, but I have a different point of view, and I'm not speaking as one who makes money teaching others to make money, but as one who has purchased an embarrassing number of products teaching me, very few of which I followed through on. I know some of them weren't great, but others were, and I take 100% of the responsibility.

I'm not saying there aren't scams and unethical marketers, nor that I think the FTC should sit on their thumbs and not try to protect people from scammers.

What I am saying is that, when someone buys your MMO info-product, no matter how great it is, humans being what they are, a tiny percent will ever do something. How I can say it's inappropriate to blame the teacher is that the teacher can't change the fact that only a minority even read what they buy, so no matter how great the product, most people will fail to make money.

If the product is bad, and teaches something that doesn't work, then the teacher is to blame, but otherwise they aren't. That seems like logic to me, rather than an outrageous statement.

I have more than one problem with forcing people to state the average results if they use testimonials. For starters, I think it imposes a nearly impossible burden on the vender.

I don't even know how they would ever determine the average results, since people who buy products have no obligation to report their results back, and even if they did, the vender wouldn't know if the report was accurate. Researching your customers' results could turn into a far bigger job than creating the product in the first place.

What if people reported inaccurately? Would the vendor possibly face a penalty for reporting what s/he honestly believed, based on customer feedback? Even in the relatively tight, high-touch community we have in the WF, hardly anyone posting in WSO threads ever reports actual earnings, and if they did, you wouldn't know if they were being truthful-people like to build themselves up, and are often embarrassed if they didn't do as well as they think they should have.

Then there's the problem of change over time-would you have to report a new average every day, every month, or every year, as new results came in? It just seems impractical to me, but if you don't agree, no problem; I'm just telling you what I think. There has to be a better way to discourage scammers.

Oh yes, one more reason: I think part of the job of the teacher is to inspire action. It seems counter productive to set up an expectation of failure, just because the average person doesn't follow through.

I do like what some marketers chose to do in response to the silly (imo) rule: state that the average person does nothing, so if you are average, you probably will make nothing with the product, but don't be average-go out and make some money.

Just my 2 cents.

Chris Kent has a solid point! IM is full of scams the FTC should raise the bar even more!

I went through one of those 800+++ J. Johnson courses and sent it back within 15 days!

Over priced, over hyped, poorly delivered, just a money maker for him and his buddies!

Whether you buy or sell his products, the money is in the recurring billing, the VP sellers and lists!

If you do not want to be a con man sell real products like, cars, boats, airplanes, clothing, sports equipment you name it, it is there for you and it is honest money you bring home!

Selling information like in affiliate marketing and useless products that often a Monkey in the jungle would easily produce is just scamming, junk and deception!

Don't know if these are new accounts but JJ and DR are back on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/user/jeffjohnsonvideos

http://www.youtube.com/user/darrenrowse

BTW never followed Darren much but after viewing the quality and content of his videos I am now a fan. Nice work.

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My Avira antivirus found it as soon as I clicked the link in OPs comment.