WSO Affiliate program-Damn Spammers

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Hi Everyone,

So when warrior plus came out with the aff program I thought hmm interesting. What a clever idea.

I now am thinking maybe this is not such a good idea.

I have had countless spam messages promoing this wso or that. I know many of the folks in my circle also have received these kind of promos.

So let me say this very clearly as a product creator.
IT IS NOT OK to send spam offers wso or otherwise. If I catch anyone doing that with one of my wso's you will be blacklisted for sure. This is not cool. You may make some sales but rest assured people are talking and names are being taken.I guarantee it.

If you wish to promote a product or service do it ethically and without the use of spam. Enough of this silliness. It is going to hurt product creators and this is not something any of us should be allowing or tolerating.

If you don't know of the affiliate or the method they use to promote it may be better to not approve them than get your product or yourself in trouble because of some dorks thinking it is ok to do so

/rant
-WD
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    Might not be spam altogether. WSO sellers will sometimes cross promote each other, and if you have bought very many WSO's you might be on more lists than you think. Just one perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    WD, thanks for pointing this out.

    Affiliates NEED TO KNOW this. Don't spam other peoples offers...don't spam your offers... just don't spam!

    It feels like I've been getting attacked in one of my affiliate programs by spammers. They spam my offer...get blacklisted...then I see about 20 chargebacks the next day. This is a very recent problem I'm seeing, but it's got me scared with all the PayPal trouble going on lately. It's almost like I feel it's a competitor trying to screw me over...but whatever.

    Anyways, DON'T SPAM!

    Seriously, who makes money spamming? Anybody? Didn't think so...

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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I think the responsibility of this comes down on the WSO seller as well. You are all told over and over to only approve those affiliates who you already know or know you can trust. That's the whole reason the approval function is there in the first place. I only ever approve affiliates whom I know will do right by my product. If you are willing to just approve people willy nilly for the sake of a few sales then this type of thing will happen.

    I know there are a lot of WSO sellers out there who will just approve almost anyone that asks them. How do I know this? I get lots of affiliate requests and when I go and visit the affiliates Warrior Forum profile I see a whole lot of visitor messages from other WSO sellers, along the lines of... "Thanks, I just approved you to sell my product X. If you need anything else just let me know." A lot of times these are on forum profiles I would never even consider approving due to their relatively new status or lack of history.

    You can't have your cake and eat it too. A lot of this is bought on by irresponsible sellers.
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    • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I think the responsibility of this comes down on the WSO seller as well. You are all told over and over to only approve those affiliates who you already know or know you can trust. That's the whole reason the approval function is there in the first place. I only ever approve affiliates whom I know will do right by my product. If you are willing to just approve people willy nilly for the sake of a few sales then this type of thing will happen.

      You can't have your cake and eat it too.
      Will:
      That is 100% correct which is the main reason of the post one to address the crap and 2 to reiterate that we need to know them
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      • Profile picture of the author Lazy Larry
        My inbox gets atleast 2-3 spams a day. It's starting to ruin WSO's for me.
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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        If you report the spammers to the WSO seller merchants / WarriorPlus they can take care of the problem.

        The amount of ClickBank spam I have received this year has substantially dropped. Probably because I report the spammers to ClickBank with a copy of the email, source code, and affiliate ID - and ClickBank reports back to me that the affiliate has been terminated.

        There's also a few people who don't have AWeber accounts anymore.

        You have to be aggressive or your email box will be bombed like Dresden.

        However, I only report someone who has ignored an unsubscribe request, has a fake unsubscribe link, or who has "obtained" my email from someone else.

        If you buy a WSO and the seller thinks they have a green light to start pimping offers - just unsubscribe.

        Unfortunately, the truth is 95% of the WSO seller lists I get on I usually unsubscribe within a month because there is no attempt to provide any value.

        Pimping the next great WSO is not providing value unless you have bought it and are providing a review. Hardly anyone does that.

        The whole WSO spam issue would probably go away if you had to buy the product to be an affiliate.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          The whole WSO spam issue would probably go away if you had to buy the product to be an affiliate.
          Helllooooo - that would do it.

          The problem is this is a closed loop. Mailing lists of members here are often made up of addresses of members here....and so you have multiple lists selling the same WSO's to members here.

          Then you also have a couple lists you can join at Warriorplus and again you are getting ads for WSO's....here.

          I think it's naive to expect seller to carefully prune affiliates - they are going for sales so they'll take most who sign up. I've wondered if some recent cookie stuffing attempts here were WSO affiliates but have no knowledge of that being true - just my thoughts.

          The rapid increase in size of the WF membership adds fuel but at some point a system that feeds on itself will run out of fuel.
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        • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post


          The whole WSO spam issue would probably go away if you had to buy the product to be an affiliate.

          .
          Brian:
          Definitely reporting can do something. I don't want to have to hire someone to deal with it and report every one. this is constant and some of them are hitting my support email which obviously is uncool.

          When an affiliate for a product sends an unsolicited email to anyone that is bad news for them and the product owner they are promoing. I think we need to better ascertain who is acceptable and who is not and if you don't know don't approve..

          Anyways thanks for chiming in
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Schwenk
          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post


          The whole WSO spam issue would probably go away if you had to buy the product to be an affiliate.

          .

          The other problem, which a few of us have talked about recently, is the people that sign up as an affiliate...only to buy through their own link and that's it...

          -Mike
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          • Profile picture of the author George Wright
            Originally Posted by Mike Schwenk View Post

            The other problem, which a few of us have talked about recently, is the people that sign up as an affiliate...only to buy through their own link and that's it...

            -Mike
            That shouldn't even be necessary. If I signed up to any WSO to be an affiliate I would require a review copy. (holding breath)

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            • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
              I don't have a problem with affiliates buying through their own link and I don't see why anyone else would - first sale goes to the seller. Unless it's 100% commissions, I don't see the big deal.
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              • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
                Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

                I don't have a problem with affiliates buying through their own link and I don't see why anyone else would - first sale goes to the seller. Unless it's 100% commissions, I don't see the big deal.

                My problem with that is not from the perspective of a merchant but
                an affiliate.

                If an affiliates goes out an buys solo ads, spends money on PPC, etc.
                and sends interested prospects to your page, and then that prospect
                notices a huge "Affiliates Make 100% Commission" link, that potential
                customer who becomes an affiliate and buys through his own link has
                in a way "cheated" that affiliate out of a commission.

                It's not illegal, in some instances, but it's such a disincentive that I
                typically don't promote products that allow it.

                It's also one of the reasons that I decline to promote many Clickbank
                products where the merchant hasn't pre-arranged "whitelisting"
                approved affiliates.

                It's just the idea the affiliate puts in a lot of effort generating an
                interest in the product, only to have the prospect distracted... in
                the interest of gaining an affiliate who probably will do very little
                promoting anyway.

                I do have friends that I've argued the point with incessantly

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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Schwenk
              Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

              That shouldn't even be necessary. If I signed up to any WSO to be an affiliate I would require a review copy. (holding breath)

              George Wright
              All well and good...

              I know I'm dreaming, but (by default) I assume the person signing up has either bought the product or has the ability to request a review copy...

              I'm thankful if someone wants to promote (and have gladly given review copies when asked), but I also don't have time to sit and mine through purchase history and figure out if that person has obtained a copy...

              Either way...

              There's a difference between someone wanting to scope out a product, and those who simply want a free ride...

              In my last post, I'm mostly referring to those who request to be affiliates...you check their profile to find 10 posts (if that) and a whole slew of "OMG thanks for wanting to promote me" visitor messages from just the last day or two...


              ...they usually happen to be the ones paying themselves.


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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    What is your definition of spam?

    If someone buys my wso and I mail them yours is that spam?
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    • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

      What is your definition of spam?

      If someone buys my wso and I mail them yours is that spam?
      Hi Brad,

      Spam in this sense is spam emails not solicited LOL some of them even hitting support. If I am on your list and you sent an email to your list that is different and I am sure you know that Brad

      Cross promotion on a product that would fit the list is not spam
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    • Profile picture of the author Trapped
      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

      What is your definition of spam?

      If someone buys my wso and I mail them yours is that spam?
      YES - If I buy your product not necessarily that means I want to be in your mailing list too. I am mentioning this because I have ended up buying 2-3 WSOs and right after that my email started being spammed the hell out. And guess what, not only the email which I indicated where the product to be sent, but also the paypal email.

      The worst even, last spam email that was sent I replied and asked (as I wanted to identify who of the 3 circulated my email) and the reply was.. "hey I am not spamming, I just notice the email in a CC sender and grabbed it from there to promote my own WSO" .... which makes me think, who really hangs over here? For some people it's not spam if they just "see" that email in a BCC ... for others its not spam just because someone has purchased a product, but hasn't subscribed to your mailing list - so its still OKEY to drop them an email and promote a third product thats not even of the same owner.

      This isn't a personal attack on you, i just quoted you because of the question. But for me there is quiet some difference between "a customer that purchased a product" and "a person/customer that has subscribed to a mailing list".
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    • Profile picture of the author jryan
      To me this is spam

      It is also spam if I buy your product but yet you do not mail me updates or information about the product however you send me all sorts of other nonsense.

      What it really comes down to is most of the people or businesses on here really do not know how to market.

      Meaning I buy from Under Armour or Wenger and I do not mind their emails about sales or special offers.

      The emails I get from a Brad or other WSO providers are useless after I buy the product, as they are not product related IMO

      I never ever had Sear tell me that they could not resond or anything because they were sick.

      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

      What is your definition of spam?

      If someone buys my wso and I mail them yours is that spam?
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  • Profile picture of the author kaper7
    You know that is the most annoying thing to encounter. Firstly, it is illegal and secondly it is ineffective. If you don't have a list, there are at 20 proper ways ways that can be pursued to build a list. Do not spam. Let me share one simple technique; write 50 articles or have them written and publish the at various article directories with properly designed resource box and I guarantee you will begin to build a list.

    This list will be very targeted and you will not break the law or annoy anyone. One more for the road- just begin posting in forums and blogs and that will also get you targeted traffic. there are just too many ways to do this the right way.

    For the sake of maintaining some integrity in our industry, stop spamming of any kind.
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  • Profile picture of the author markhimeb
    well said. Several im practices are sometimes similar to spamming
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    I guess I'm just dense.

    I've received a LOT of emails from a lot of very well known Warriors selling WSOs. I also get the almost daily email from WarriorPlus RE: WSO of the day. It never occurred to me that I was being spammed because I'm on those lists or have a business relationship with them.

    So, are you telling me that somehow Spammers are mining this forum or other places for our email addresses and then spamming us?

    What am I missing?

    George Wright, P.S. I would simply dismiss this thread as another unwarranted whine except for the fact the WD is the OP and I know for a fact he doesn't rant much and I respect his opinion. So how is it spam? P.P.S. The reason I would dismiss it is because so many times people say "I'm being spammed," I joined that list and they are spamming me." That's not spam folks. Or, "I bought this or that and they are spamming me." Not spam. P.P.P.S It may be overkill, it may be too much, it may be irritating or anything else evil we think, however, how a marketer chooses to mail to his list is his/her business. Our business is to hit the unsubscribe button if it's too much for us to take.
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    • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      I guess I'm just dense.

      I've received a LOT of emails from a lot of very well known Warriors selling WSOs. I also get the almost daily email from WarriorPlus RE: WSO of the day. It never occurred to me that I was being spammed because I'm on those lists or have a business relationship with them.

      So, are you telling me that somehow Spammers are mining this forum or other places for our email addresses and then spamming us?

      What am I missing.

      George Wright, P.S. I would simply dismiss this thread as another unwarranted whine except for the fact the WD is the OP and I know for a fact he doesn't rant much and I respect his opinion. So how is it spam? P.P.S. The reason I would dismiss it is because so many times people say "I'm being spammed," I joined that list and they are spamming me." That's not spam folks. Or, "I bought this or that and they are spamming me." Not spam. P.P.P.S It may be overkill, it may be too much, it may be irritating or anything else evil we think, however, how a marketer chooses to mail to his list is his/her business. Our business is to hit the unsubscribe button it's too much for us to take.
      George:
      I don't know if it is mining (gathering emails through a harvester etc)

      I think it is just people signing up but have no list or solid way of promoing

      I think this past week I must have gotten 50-60 emails and that is not cool.
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        LOL, OK, I guess I'm just not that popular.

        The emails I get are about 6 to 10 a day and they are from people whos List's I belong to. If spammers have figured out how to mine our emails from here thats not good. Thanks WD for clearing it up for me.

        George Wright EDIT: Again I goofed. The first time I read your message I thought you said you got 5060 emails not 50-60. So I guess I'm getting about the same.

        Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

        George:
        I don't know if it is mining (gathering emails through a harvester etc)

        I think it is just people signing up but have no list or solid way of promoing

        I think this past week I must have gotten 50-60 emails and that is not cool.
        -WD
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        • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
          Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

          LOL, OK, I guess I'm just not that popular.

          The emails I get are about 6 to 10 a day and they are from people whos List's I belong to. If spammers have figured out how to mine our emails from here thats not good. Thanks WD for clearing it up for me.

          George Wright EDIT: Again I goofed. The first time I read your message I thought you said you got 5060 emails not 50-60. So I guess I'm getting about the same.
          Hi George,
          yeah I don't think that is the case but I do know it is happening a lot. Being on someone's list is one thing you expect/want to receive from the sender.

          These are definitely not from any list not that I am on too many wso ones anyhow
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          I get spammed from people who definitely do mine this forum for emails but have yet to be spammed with WSOs. I find that there are some who send me about every WSO there is out there but they would do that with other offers if it wasn't WSOs - I just unsub.

          If I do get spam with a product that I recognize (and this has happened), I notify the creator and whatever network runs the offer. I know a few who have lost their affiliate status and earnings from spamming so it works to report it to respectable sellers.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    This is absolutely crap. To get any of those WSO offers sent to you, you have to be on someone's list. And how do you get on those lists? You buy something from them and sign on to the list. Therefore the promotional offers are not SPAM. You have a relationship with the list owner.

    If you don't like getting the offers in your email, then damn well unsubscribe. I have not received any offers like this that doesn't have an unsubscribe link in it.

    And as a product creator, the OP needs to be wary of whom he agrees to let promote his offers. I know for damn sure that I wouldn't want to promote any of his stuff. He has a bad attitude.
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    • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post


      And as a product creator, the OP needs to be wary of whom he agrees to let promote his offers. I know for damn sure that I wouldn't want to promote any of his stuff. He has a bad attitude.
      Hi Tim,
      thanks for your comment. Rest assured you will never have that opportunity
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    • Profile picture of the author blillard
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      This is absolutely crap. To get any of those WSO offers sent to you, you have to be on someone's list. And how do you get on those lists? You buy something from them and sign on to the list. Therefore the promotional offers are not SPAM. You have a relationship with the list owner.

      If you don't like getting the offers in your email, then damn well unsubscribe. I have not received any offers like this that doesn't have an unsubscribe link in it.

      And as a product creator, the OP needs to be wary of whom he agrees to let promote his offers. I know for damn sure that I wouldn't want to promote any of his stuff. He has a bad attitude.
      Thank you, how is it spam when they opted in to a list in the first place buy purchasing a wso. They are on a buyers list. If you get tons of emails promoting wso's, that means you paid for wso from multiple sellers who have a list. I get these emails as well but I know its because I paid for a wso. Simply unsubscribe done.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        Originally Posted by blillard View Post

        Thank you, how is it spam when they opted in to a list in the first place buy purchasing a wso. They are on a buyers list. If you get tons of emails promoting wso's, that means you paid for wso from multiple sellers who have a list. I get these emails as well but I know its because I paid for a wso. Simply unsubscribe done.
        Did you and Tim even READ the original post or rest of the thread? Will didn't say anything about list emails. Will did say in a later post that it was not from lists he's subscribed to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      This is absolutely crap. To get any of those WSO offers sent to you, you have to be on someone's list.
      Or, you know, not. There are at least half a dozen people that send me IM spam - I never signed up for their lists. My email is freely available here, so people are mining for information.
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      • Profile picture of the author timpears
        Originally Posted by Justin Jordan View Post

        Or, you know, not. There are at least half a dozen people that send me IM spam - I never signed up for their lists. My email is freely available here, so people are mining for information.

        If that is a fact, then report them. That is a $11K fine for breaking the Can Spam law. Anyone wold be a fool to be a member here and be breaking that law. Somehow I am a bit skeptical.
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        • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          If that is a fact, then report them. That is a $11K fine for breaking the Can Spam law. Anyone wold be a fool to be a member here and be breaking that law. Somehow I am a bit skeptical.
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        • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          If that is a fact, then report them. That is a $11K fine for breaking the Can Spam law. Anyone wold be a fool to be a member here and be breaking that law. Somehow I am a bit skeptical.
          They also are fools for posting scam offers in the wso section. Spamming people via pm, using other people's sales copy and testimonials(that one was fun) and posting positively in their own threads.
          But that could never happen here eh Tim
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        • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          If that is a fact, then report them. That is a $11K fine for breaking the Can Spam law. Anyone wold be a fool to be a member here and be breaking that law. Somehow I am a bit skeptical.
          Yes, because the Can Spam act has completely eliminated spam. It's true, no one ever gets spam.

          Second, while I certainly appreciate being told I'm lying, people do illegal and unethical things here constantly, and it would be willfully naive to think they don't. Is it most people here? Absolutely not. But when there are hundreds of thousands of members, a small percentage will do.

          As for people being members and doing shady stuff, you have a to be a member to sign up WSO Pro affiliate status, and yet that hasn't stopped scammers from using the system to scam the sellers. Which is, you know, fraud.

          Beyond that, you do know that you don't have to be a member of this forum to view the forum, right?
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeff Hampton
            When I opt in to a list, I usually create a unique email on a domain where I have a catchall set up. So if I'm opting into John Doe's list, it might be something like JohnDoe@j!xs.com. Then they all get routed to one inbox.

            So a few months ago, I started receiving a bunch of spammy WSO promotions. Fake messages from Warrior Forum, fake PM's etc. And right there on the email address was the name of the marketer to whom I'd given my address.

            But it wasn't him sending the emails. Turns out, he had sold a copy of his list.

            I'm pretty sure this guy's list is in the 100,000+ range, so if you're getting WSO spam, this could be the source.
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    • Profile picture of the author ian buckingham
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      This is absolutely crap. To get any of those WSO offers sent to you, you have to be on someone's list. And how do you get on those lists? You buy something from them and sign on to the list. Therefore the promotional offers are not SPAM. You have a relationship with the list owner.
      .
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      Bloody right too, what do you guys consider spam to be then?
      most people are here to build lists, or build relationships with people in order to basically send offer emails out, in the view that people will hopefully buy from you.
      please better define *spam*
      if you bought a course from me with an opt in inside it and i emailed you an update or a new course am i not up-selling? is this not me building a relationship with you ?
      in sales we call it cold calling and more often than not people are happy to receive a business to business sales call, then if a company buys a product from me i give a courtesy call and promote the next product to them .....therefore i build my sales funnel and gain a better commission
      surely you must have had to get onto someone list to have received emails from here unless you broadcasted your email all over the place which incidentally is a REALLY SMART thing to do ????????
      /re-rant
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    At least there has to be a tracking system of who's promoting what and how, when did he/she promote what, where and how much in what way and whether it was a legitimate way to promote. Heck, just for money would you sell your self.. like a woman on a roadside? Sorry if I am being optimistic.

    I would not let everyone promote my product, it will be restricted to a few good people who I think are qualified enough to promote my product in whichever way possible that surpasses every record in detail.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      The problem is Ronak,

      The "Few good people," you could find here will definitely have the same people on their lists. So those "Few good people," will be sending the same offer to the same people on the same days and the list members will say, "Spammers are sending me Ronak's WSO, HE must be a spammer too."

      George Wright

      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      At least there has to be a tracking system of who's promoting what and how, when did he/she promote what, where and how much in what way and whether it was a legitimate way to promote. Heck, just for money would you sell your self.. like a woman on a roadside? Sorry if I am being optimistic.

      I would not let everyone promote my product, it will be restricted to a few good people who I think are qualified enough to promote my product in whichever way possible that surpasses every record in detail.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
        Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

        The problem is Ronak,

        The "Few good people," you could find here will definitely have the same people on their lists. So those "Few good people," will be sending the same offer to the same people on the same days and the list members will say, "Spammers are sending me Ronak's WSO, HE must be a spammer too."

        George Wright
        WSO's are not spammy so you don't need to worry about being spammed with WSO's. People are spammy. You don't need to be worried about being spammed without "intimation" of whether you like the WSO or not.
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        • Profile picture of the author George Wright
          Ronak,

          This thread is about WSOs and affiliates. Read the OP.

          George Wright

          Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

          WSO's are not spammy so you don't need to worry about being spammed with WSO's. People are spammy. You don't need to be worried about being spammed without "intimation" of whether you like the WSO or not.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
            Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

            Ronak,

            This thread is about WSOs and affiliates. Read the OP.

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            NO It's about affiliates SPAMMING other people. Why are you focusing on the problem? focus on the solution.. You need to choose who can become an affiliate of your WSO and otherwise.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

    Hi Everyone,

    So when warrior plus came out with the aff program I thought hmm interesting. What a clever idea.

    I now am thinking maybe this is not such a good idea.

    I have had countless spam messages promoing this wso or that. I know many of the folks in my circle also have received these kind of promos.

    So let me say this very clearly as a product creator.
    IT IS NOT OK to send spam offers wso or otherwise. If I catch anyone doing that with one of my wso's you will be blacklisted for sure. This is not cool. You may make some sales but rest assured people are talking and names are being taken.I guarantee it.

    If you wish to promote a product or service do it ethically and without the use of spam. Enough of this silliness. It is going to hurt product creators and this is not something any of us should be allowing or tolerating.

    If you don't know of the affiliate or the method they use to promote it may be better to not approve them than get your product or yourself in trouble because of some dorks thinking it is ok to do so

    /rant
    -WD


    Thing is according to the CAN-SPAM ACT if you sign up to someone's list and they continue to contact you then that is NOT spamming that's a business relationship.

    So if you do not want said messages then you need to opt out of their list. To conform to the CAN-SPAM ACT there must be a way for you to unsubscribe from their list and they have 10 days to get you off the list.

    Mike Hill

    PS. Unless of course they harvested your email address and if that's the case carry on with said rant
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      Thing is according to the CAN-SPAM ACT if you sign up to someone's list and they continue to contact you then that is NOT spamming that's a business relationship.
      Not exactly. Let's be more precise.

      If you buy a WSO that is NOT a license to start sending unsolicited commercial messages every day about other products

      Unless ...

      The terms of purchase or terms for signing up for the list included permission to receive such messages.


      Otherwise, the "relationship" requirement under the CAN-SPAM Act is not met.

      Here is 15 US Code Section 7702:
      "The term “transactional or relationship message” means an electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is—


      (i) to facilitate, complete, or confirm a commercial transaction that the recipient has previously agreed to enter into with the sender;

      (ii) to provide warranty information, product recall information, or safety or security information with respect to a commercial product or service used or purchased by the recipient;

      (iii) to provide—

      (I) notification concerning a change in the terms or features of;


      (II) notification of a change in the recipient’s standing or status with respect to; or


      (III) at regular periodic intervals, account balance information or other type of account statement with respect to, a subscription, membership, account, loan, or comparable ongoing commercial relationship involving the ongoing purchase or use by the recipient of products or services offered by the sender;
      (iv) to provide information directly related to an employment relationship or related benefit plan in which the recipient is currently involved, participating, or enrolled; or


      (v) to deliver goods or services, including product updates or upgrades, that the recipient is entitled to receive under the terms of a transaction that the recipient has previously agreed to enter into with the sender.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        Not exactly. Let's be more precise.

        If you buy a WSO that is NOT a license to start sending unsolicited commercial messages every day about other products

        Unless ...

        The terms of purchase or terms for signing up for the list included permission to receive such messages.


        Otherwise, the "relationship" requirement under the CAN-SPAM Act is not met.

        Here is 15 US Code Section 7702:
        "The term “transactional or relationship message” means an electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is—


        (i) to facilitate, complete, or confirm a commercial transaction that the recipient has previously agreed to enter into with the sender;

        (ii) to provide warranty information, product recall information, or safety or security information with respect to a commercial product or service used or purchased by the recipient;

        (iii) to provide—

        (I) notification concerning a change in the terms or features of;


        (II) notification of a change in the recipient’s standing or status with respect to; or


        (III) at regular periodic intervals, account balance information or other type of account statement with respect to, a subscription, membership, account, loan, or comparable ongoing commercial relationship involving the ongoing purchase or use by the recipient of products or services offered by the sender;
        (iv) to provide information directly related to an employment relationship or related benefit plan in which the recipient is currently involved, participating, or enrolled; or


        (v) to deliver goods or services, including product updates or upgrades, that the recipient is entitled to receive under the terms of a transaction that the recipient has previously agreed to enter into with the sender.
        You said to be more precise but what you have quoted above isn't exactly precise because the statement you quoted you missed this:

        "If it contains only transactional or relationship content, its primary purpose is transactional or relationship. In that case, it may not contain false or misleading routing information, but is otherwise exempt from most provisions of the CAN-SPAM Act."

        What you have provided in the CAN-SPAM ACT is 'Transactional' however you did not include the 'Relationship' side of it:

        Here's what the CAN-SPAM ACT says:


        All email – for example, a message to former customers announcing a new product line – must comply with the law.

        Here’s a rundown of CAN-SPAM’s main requirements:
        1. Don’t use false or misleading header information. Your “From,” “To,” “Reply-To,” and routing information – including the originating domain name and email address – must be accurate and identify the person or business who initiated the message.
        2. Don’t use deceptive subject lines. The subject line must accurately reflect the content of the message.
        3. Identify the message as an ad. The law gives you a lot of leeway in how to do this, but you must disclose clearly and conspicuously that your message is an advertisement.
        4. Tell recipients where you’re located. Your message must include your valid physical postal address. This can be your current street address, a post office box you’ve registered with the U.S. Postal Service, or a private mailbox you’ve registered with a commercial mail receiving agency established under Postal Service regulations.
        5. Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you. Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future. Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to recognize, read, and understand. Creative use of type size, color, and location can improve clarity. Give a return email address or another easy Internet-based way to allow people to communicate their choice to you. You may create a menu to allow a recipient to opt out of certain types of messages, but you must include the option to stop all commercial messages from you. Make sure your spam filter doesn’t block these opt-out requests.
        6. Honor opt-out requests promptly. Any opt-out mechanism you offer must be able to process opt-out requests for at least 30 days after you send your message. You must honor a recipient’s opt-out request within 10 business days. You can’t charge a fee, require the recipient to give you any personally identifying information beyond an email address, or make the recipient take any step other than sending a reply email or visiting a single page on an Internet website as a condition for honoring an opt-out request. Once people have told you they don’t want to receive more messages from you, you can’t sell or transfer their email addresses, even in the form of a mailing list. The only exception is that you may transfer the addresses to a company you’ve hired to help you comply with the CAN-SPAM Act.
        7. Monitor what others are doing on your behalf. The law makes clear that even if you hire another company to handle your email marketing, you can’t contract away your legal responsibility to comply with the law. Both the company whose product is promoted in the message and the company that actually sends the message may be held legally responsible.
        Where in that quote does it say I CANNOT send promotions to my existing customers?
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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          Mike,

          I did include reference to "relationship" messages. You can view the code yourself and compare what I copied: United States Code: Title 15,7702. Definitions | LII / Legal Information Institute

          However, I don't have access to the FTC site or the regs. For some reason the FTC site isn't liking me today.

          I have no idea what you're quoting. But when you say "Here's what the CAN-SPAM ACT says:" you are not quoting the actual law.

          At the end where you ask "Where in that quote does it say I CANNOT send promotions to my existing customers?"

          No one knows where your quote came from.


          But let's step back a bit ...

          The CAN-SPAM Act does NOT prohibit unsolicited messages.

          However, it does set ground rules for disclosures in certain types of messages.

          In your post you basically said the Act allows you to send any message you want to someone you have a business relationship with.

          All I am doing is pointing out that is not correct. A business "relationship" under the Act is specifically defined - and it doesn't include what is being talked about in this thread (unless you obtained permission as part of the contract of purchase to send messages about other products you think the buyer would be interested in).


          To avoid confusion let me recap:

          - You can send other product promotions to your customers. There is no law preventing it.

          - HOWEVER, your "permission" to do so is not based on having a business relationship per the CAN-SPAM Act. More of a 1st Amendment issue (if you're in the US).

          - The CAN-SPAM Act regulates various disclosures to be made in messages. Those disclosures vary depending on whether there is a business relationship or not.

          - So when others in this thread complain about "spam" - which seems to be WSO sellers promoting products of others to their customer list - it is not correct to say they can do so because there is a "relationship" per the CAN-SPAM Act.


          Here is my recommendation if you sell a product and intend on emailing unsolicited offers about other products to your customers - include in your terms of purchase that you have right to do that.

          That way if your autoresponder, web host, ISP, domain registrar, WarriorPlus, etc., receives a spam complaint, you can professionally respond saying the person complaining contractually agreed to receive the promotional message, here is the written contract term they agreed to, and you will be happy to punt them off your list.

          Otherwise, those in thread complaining about WSO affiliate spam have a legitimate beef.

          .
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          • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
            Good points Brian.

            I had a subscriber report one of my emails as spam with Spam Cop. I use a real domain name vs. Gmail/Yahoo, etc in the "from" line so I had to prove to my web host that it was legit.

            I had to send them the subscription date, the URL of where they signed up, their IP address, and proof they where double opt-in.

            Luckily I was able to provide all this via Aweber and all was well, so just having relationship or single opt-in might not be enough. Even if you're not running afoul from the FTC you might be with your web host.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

            Mike,

            I did include reference to "relationship" messages. You can view the code yourself and compare what I copied: United States Code: Title 15,7702. Definitions | LII / Legal Information Institute

            However, I don't have access to the FTC site or the regs. For some reason the FTC site isn't liking me today.

            I have no idea what you're quoting. But when you say "Here's what the CAN-SPAM ACT says:" you are not quoting the actual law.

            At the end where you ask "Where in that quote does it say I CANNOT send promotions to my existing customers?"

            No one knows where your quote came from.


            But let's step back a bit ...

            The CAN-SPAM Act does NOT prohibit unsolicited messages.

            However, it does set ground rules for disclosures in certain types of messages.

            In your post you basically said the Act allows you to send any message you want to someone you have a business relationship with.

            All I am doing is pointing out that is not correct. A business "relationship" under the Act is specifically defined - and it doesn't include what is being talked about in this thread (unless you obtained permission as part of the contract of purchase to send messages about other products you think the buyer would be interested in).


            To avoid confusion let me recap:

            - You can send other product promotions to your customers. There is no law preventing it.

            - HOWEVER, your "permission" to do so is not based on having a business relationship per the CAN-SPAM Act. More of a 1st Amendment issue (if you're in the US).

            - The CAN-SPAM Act regulates various disclosures to be made in messages. Those disclosures vary depending on whether there is a business relationship or not.

            - So when others in this thread complain about "spam" - which seems to be WSO sellers promoting products of others to their customer list - it is not correct to say they can do so because there is a "relationship" per the CAN-SPAM Act.


            Here is my recommendation if you sell a product and intend on emailing unsolicited offers about other products to your customers - include in your terms of purchase that you have right to do that.

            That way if your autoresponder, web host, ISP, domain registrar, WarriorPlus, etc., receives a spam complaint, you can professionally respond saying the person complaining contractually agreed to receive the promotional message, here is the written contract term they agreed to, and you will be happy to punt them off your list.

            Otherwise, those in thread complaining about WSO affiliate spam have a legitimate beef.

            .
            This is how I understand the CAN-SPAM Act.

            You are free to send emails to your list on the proviso that the emails are in relation to your OWN business. Meaning you are free to send your customers email with promotions to your own products and not that of everyone.

            When subscribe to a mailing list, we only want to know about possible updates or new products you may be coming out with, NOT what YOU think may be good for US.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Barrs
        Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

        I have had countless spam messages promoing this wso or that. I know many of the folks in my circle also have received these kind of promos.

        /rant
        -WD
        Will, don't hold back buddy - we want to know what you *really* think ! LOL

        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The problem is this is a closed loop. Mailing lists of members here are often made up of addresses of members here....and so you have multiple lists selling the same WSO's to members here.

        Then you also have a couple lists you can join at Warriorplus and again you are getting ads for WSO's....here.
        It;'s what I cal Incestuous Business - and the Warrior Forum is rife with it....

        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        If you buy a WSO that is NOT a license to start sending unsolicited commercial messages every day about other products
        Gotta disagree wit you here, legally if someone buys any product from you you are allowed to contact them for whatever business purpose you see fit.

        Of course you'd have to be an absolute D***H*** to just send stupid offer after stupid offer... oh, hang on; that's what most WSO sellers and affiliates do.

        "Incestuous Business"

        And that's the reason I only get one WSO alert and a few reminders from 2 or 3 other marketers... because any time I buy a WSO I UNSUBSCRIBE from your list immediately!

        I don't want your follow up marketing crap just because i bought your product!! Put that on a different list and I'll subscribe to your "customer contact list"...

        But then, I'm just one of a thousand hey ~~

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      • Profile picture of the author ian buckingham
        and an american email act is world law ?? it isn't is it i know many of you are in america but what about those in other countries not bound by this law???
        just a thought ?
        what if i messaged someone on here with my offer or some advice about a product ? if i know its a good one and i think it will help them have i just spammed?
        "the law is an ass"
        certainly so, lets face it even in criminal court there is no justice its all about lawyers and barristers arguing points of law is it not ?
        im all for compliance but the warrior forum should really put out a document or post letting us know what their thoughts are
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          • Profile picture of the author ian buckingham
            Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

            At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the Warrior Forum "Thinks" about it. What matters is that you comply with anti-spamming regulations in your country, those countries you're sending Commercial Email to and your Registrar and hosting service's anti-spam policies.
            Yes i aggree but if people get banned from this forum for it shouldent there be some clear forum guidelines
            I say that risking looking like a prize idiot as there may be a post out ther that does ;-) meh :/ not so good at finding thise sorts of posts,
            how do you know what country you are sending to ? im a dot com email address and the server is in the uk but the company is american......com email addys are easy to come by and very easy to host in any country if i have a uk company but wish to use a dot com then who would know im in the uk ??
            it's just a thought thats all :p
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino

    For clarity
    I have not signed up to any of these people
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post


      For clarity
      I have not signed up to any of these people
      Thanks
      -WD
      I don't believe it. How did you end up on their list then. You telling me that they scraped WF for your email and signed up with WarriorPlus to promote the offers. Somehow I find that just a little hard to believe.

      We are all on lots of lists that we have forgotten about. And my guess is that is the situation with you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post


      For clarity
      I have not signed up to any of these people
      Thanks
      -WD
      How did they get your email address? Did you buy anything from them in the past?

      Might be a problem you need to report to Mike L if they're harvesting email addys or maybe someone is selling email addresses from the WF/WSO. That wouldn't surprise me.

      Don't just stop with this thread/vent/rant, I would also recommend you report them to Mike so he can get to the bottom of it and nuke em.

      If you have not signed up to any of these people's list or you have haven't bought anything from them in the past report them. It should be easier to find them vs traditional spam about lottery tickets or the fake blue pills.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    I think I've solved the problem. This will make a lot of people mad, but hey, it's Monday we have the whole week to make up.

    Here is what I'd do if I ever come up with the End All Be All WSO and wanted to expand my sales VIA The WarriorPlus Affiliate program.

    I would let it be known somehow, either in the WSO Forum, or the JV section or through PM that I am only going to accept ONE Super Affiliate. One and only one. Then I'd wait and see who applied over the next few days and select only ONE, the one I thought had the biggest list.

    Then I'd do it again with my next WSO. After a few "tests" I would know who that ONE affiliate I always wanted would be and ..... Well you get the point.

    One affiliate with a huge list would be much better than 10 affiliates all with the same people on their list.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Kindsvater,

    I was quoting the exact same reference as you were. It was word for word, except you didn't include the paragraph before your quote that explained the context.

    Here's where I got the information from (The FTC)

    http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bu...guide-business

    You had quoted one of their many examples... But if you keep reading they have an example as was referred to in this thread that if you purchase a product and send them promotional emails. You are legally allowed to do that as long as you follow the provisions outlined in my previous quoted text somewhere in the thread above.

    It gives you examples of different situations so you can determine what type of email you are sending and how to comply with the CAN-SPAM ACT. In there it says nothing about not being able to contact a buyer with other "like" offers... you just have to follow a few rules like I also quoted above.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rashell
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      This is absolutely crap. To get any of those WSO offers sent to you, you have to be on someone's list. And how do you get on those lists? You buy something from them and sign on to the list. Therefore the promotional offers are not SPAM. You have a relationship with the list owner.
      Originally Posted by blillard View Post

      Thank you, how is it spam when they opted in to a list in the first place buy purchasing a wso. They are on a buyers list.
      Tim & Blillard,

      What you guys seemed to not notice was this comment tucked away as part of post #14...

      Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

      this is constant and some of them are hitting my support email which obviously is uncool.
      (emphasis added)

      Someone is using a support@mydomain.com email address (typically not used as an optin email) to send these WSO offers. This is what the OP is calling SPAM.

      Rashell
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I've wondered if some are trading their lists - or selling signups as "leads" here. I buy few WSO's but a couple times when I've bought one I've been inundated with 2-3 daily emails from several different list owners. It started just after the signup on ONE list...and it's happened more than once.

        Could it be people are thinking of this as "JV" and handing over lists?

        I don't fuss about spam - I either unsubscribe or, if that doesn't work, I list the sender as spam in my email program and all the emails are routed to a folder I never look at. Works like a treat.
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        • Profile picture of the author candoit2
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I've wondered if some are trading their lists - or selling signups as "leads" here. I buy few WSO's but a couple times when I've bought one I've been inundated with 2-3 daily emails from several different list owners. It started just after the signup on ONE list...and it's happened more than once.

          Could it be people are thinking of this as "JV" and handing over lists?

          I don't fuss about spam - I either unsubscribe or, if that doesn't work, I list the sender as spam in my email program and all the emails are routed to a folder I never look at. Works like a treat.
          This happens to me also sometimes. I do a search in my inbox search function of the name of the person sending the email, their company name or the email used by them and I can come up with nothing.

          People who I buy a wso from show up when I look for previous emails from them.

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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Hi Everyone,
    some good responses. Some stupid ones as usual.

    @Allen. Yes that is a good step to take as Brian mentioned above. next one I receive will be forwarded to him. They are stupid emails like onlinebusinessreccommends SMS plugin.-WTF?

    This is in my support email. Um that was the last straw sorry if some don't like it but hey I have nothing to defend myself about. It's wrong and that is all end of story don't do it and all is fine
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    LOL As luck would have it here is another one.
    Links removed for obvious reasons and I highly doubt this is actually the creator of the product Carson is way too good of a guy for this kind of trash.

    [ATTENTION]

    WHAT IF ScrapeBox Converted into
    WordPress Plugin?

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    I rest my case. this came from some wordsitebiz.com addy funny the site doesn't load at all.
    Like I said enough is enough

    I also have this same email from another address. Freiking dorks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    Don't forget guys, these kind of spammers use specific programs that will run through a list of known domain name from all known domain registrars starting from the letter a all the way down a dictionary list of known words and phrases to send spam.

    What I mean is, a program will be used where the user will select a specific set of domain names collected and inputted into the program database to send an email. The program will start at "a@domainname.com" and continue until it reaches the end of a list which would possibly end like "zzzzzzzz@domainname.com".

    So the spam emails you are getting may have nothing to do with members of this site, but ordinary spammers taking advantage of all sorts of affiliate offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author gforces
    Seriously, the amount of email I get these days from the fact that I have bought some WSOs. It seems to me the way people build their mailing lists is offering a cheap or free WSO. Do you guys think that is cool or bordering on SPAM? My thought is we jump through various optin loops to get delivery of a WSO not to get on some ones email list.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
      Originally Posted by gforces View Post

      Seriously, the amount of email I get these days from the fact that I have bought some WSOs. It seems to me the way people build their mailing lists is offering a cheap or free WSO. Do you guys think that is cool or bordering on SPAM?
      THIS IS CHEATING! NOT Good
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

        THIS IS CHEATING! NOT Good

        Cheating?... oh boy you have a lot to learn unfortunately...

        When you get a free WSO or any product for that matter and you are opting into the list to get it then what are you expecting?

        1) It's NOT cheating
        2) It's NOT SPAM
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Originally Posted by Mike Channing View Post

    I don't mind the emails
    That's exactly what I just said. You don't mind emails but people do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Ronak -

      You are arguing a point - and missing the bigger picture.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Ronak -

        You are arguing a point - and missing the bigger picture.
        No I am NOT you are definitely missing the point. People don't like being spammed with emails about anything they hate or don't argue with

        Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

        Will:
        That is 100% correct which is the main reason of the post one to address the crap and 2 to reiterate that we need to know them
        cheers
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        We need to know them 'correctly' if I am mistaken
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  • Profile picture of the author gorufus
    First, I do not condone spamming. I hate it. However...

    What if we all just stopped checking email? Or just opened emails from say.... actual customers and people we know? Would this be an issue? It takes the same amount of time to blacklist someone that sends you an email to actually read the email.

    There are many ways to prevent spam from into your inbox. Heighten your spam filters, create a throw away address etc. I think as long as your information is "out there" somewhere, some people are going to do bad things. Do we get over it and focus on the good and positive? Or do we relish the negative and give in...? It sucks that warriors are the ones that are doing it. Some warriors I meant. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonGiorgini
    I hope I don't get any spammers. When you use WarriorPlus it's easy to remove those spamming. I believe spamming would hurt your conversion ratio. I can't afford to lose my 11% conversions due to spammers. The higher your ratio, the greater probability for you to attract super affiliates to promote to their lists. Just like Clickbank Gravity imho.
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  • Profile picture of the author abdul786
    I even have started getting messages with subjects like "new great opportunity" , "do you want this bla bla"... Be ethical guys and promote via proper channel!
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  • Profile picture of the author eskimoto
    For this reason i have a dedicated email account for IM stuff. This way it doesnt affect me regular email address and i dont miss out on any offers i might be interested in. Works really well...
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    Okay folks, here's how its done:
    LINK
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    • Profile picture of the author Ansar Pasha
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      Originally Posted by webfighter View Post

      Okay folks, here's how its done:
      LINK
      I think everyone should take a look and get their emails off the forum... it would probably be best to route to a support page (not to mention better customer service experience).

      I've had a lot of spam coming through from "Support" and variations... very irritating. Even if you unsubscribe and hit the spam button they manage to get through.

      I might just get another email address at the rate this is going.

      Ansar
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    I probably ignore a dozen affiliate requests every week through the WSO Pro system. If I don't know you or at least see after a bit of investigation that you participate here actively and say some intelligent things, it ain't gonna happen. My business took years to build and nobody cutting corners is going to ruin it for the sake of a few extra shekels.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      I don't approve a lot of affiliate requests.

      I approve those people I know, or that I've checked out.

      I don't do this to be mean, but I want to protect my business as best I can. I feel like it's a smart move.
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    • Profile picture of the author ian buckingham
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      I probably ignore a dozen affiliate requests every week
      My business took years to build and nobody cutting corners is going to ruin it for the sake of a few extra shekels.

      John
      that's fair enough i can see why you do that :-) it only takes one idiot to do the wrong thing and your name is mud!
      and i suppose if hundreds are doing the wrong thing or god forbid the "black hat thing" then you WILL go down in history in the scam websites
      the post you made is actually really good advice, when i finally release a wso and start this whole thing off ill bear that in mind.
      looking forward to your weekly videos by the way John
      much kudos ;-)
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      • Profile picture of the author BerkleyStreet
        I don't consider it Spam because I know I opted onto the lists and truly like to get their recommendations for products - be it WSO's or else. My problem is that NOW i'm getting so many more recommendations from these "trusted" warriors because of the affiliate program that I can't trust them anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaiganeshv
    WSO sellers should not auto approve, they should look for the request and the warriors past history before approving...

    Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brownsword
    My PP email account is filled with all kinds of spam from people who think that my purchase of a WSO entitles them to add my name to a list of buyers. While I can't say with certainty what happens after that, it seems as if they get passed around / sold.

    If I can ever get my brain jump-started, I'm going to try to figure out a way to definitively track my WSO purchases and follow-on emails. In my eyes, this type of marketing is not something I'd endorse and I don't want to do business with those who choose to do it.

    --Tom

    P.S. -- Shay, I love your "unring a bell" analogy you posted somewhere else regarding refunds (on one of your WSOs?)...
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by Tom Brownsword View Post

      My PP email account is filled with all kinds of spam from people who think that my purchase of a WSO entitles them to add my name to a list of buyers. While I can't say with certainty what happens after that, it seems as if they get passed around / sold.

      If I can ever get my brain jump-started, I'm going to try to figure out a way to definitively track my WSO purchases and follow-on emails. In my eyes, this type of marketing is not something I'd endorse and I don't want to do business with those who choose to do it.

      --Tom

      P.S. -- Shay, I love your "unring a bell" analogy you posted somewhere else regarding refunds (on one of your WSOs?)...
      LOL Yes, it's on my latest WSO.

      As far as tracking who is sending you what.

      When I sign up for a list, I sign up using something that shows whose list it is.

      For example, if I sign up to a list and it's from Joe's Super Traffic Ninja Rhino WSO, I'll sign up as "ShaySTNRhino" or some variation. Let's me know just where my name is being shared.

      (I don't do that with marketers I really know well, though. With those I sign up with stuff like ShayTheMarketingGoddess or ShayTheSalesQueen or ShayUIzDaWoman or some other name that'll be positive reinforcement and give me a chuckle.)
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Brownsword
        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        LOL Yes, it's on my latest WSO.

        As far as tracking who is sending you what.

        When I sign up for a list, I sign up using something that shows whose list it is.

        For example, if I sign up to a list and it's from Joe's Super Traffic Ninja Rhino WSO, I'll sign up as "ShaySTNRhino" or some variation. Let's me know just where my name is being shared.

        (I don't do that with marketers I really know well, though. With those I sign up with stuff like ShayTheMarketingGoddess or ShayTheSalesQueen or ShayUIzDaWoman or some other name that'll be positive reinforcement and give me a chuckle.)
        I'm gonna creep out if you ever sign up for any of my lists as "ShayTheStalker"...

        That's a great suggestion. Now if I could come up with a way to customize / change my PP email address every time I use it...!
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  • Profile picture of the author ian buckingham
    so what are you guys looking for when looking to approve an affiliate?
    what kind of criteria in your minds fits best?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Originally Posted by maxwalsh View Post

      so what are you guys looking for when looking to approve an affiliate?
      what kind of criteria in your minds fits best?

      Personally, I start by looking at their contributions to this forum and how they interact with the members.

      I also take into account the persons WF name. If it's some made up name I ask myself why that is. Some use company names and that's fine but having a name like "jdsfauwge" doesn't help the cause of being approved as an affiliate in my programs.

      I will also look to see if they've had any infractions, etc.

      If they have a low post count then I do not approve.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wealth Mentor
    Every offer I ever get is from someone I bought something else from. I suspect Tim Pears is correct on this issue...you likely have some sort of pre-existing relationship with the affiliate. You just may not remember how.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by Wealth Mentor View Post

      Every offer I ever get is from someone I bought something else from. I suspect Tim Pears is correct on this issue...you likely have some sort of pre-existing relationship with the affiliate. You just may not remember how.
      And you'd be just as wrong as he is. I've received spam just as Will mentions to an address that I do not ever use to purchase or sign up for lists. The only place it was ever used was on this forum. People do harvest emails from forums, guys.

      One thing you can do, Will, is to copy down the affiliate number and report it to the actual WSO creator. If they say "big deal", then you know not to deal with that person again. I've reported it to a couple and they've immediatedly banned that affiliate.

      You want to stop them, hit them where it hurts. When they can't make money doing it, they won't continue to do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SageSound
    I'm finding that a large number of folks who previously sent out almost daily promotions for the latest dung heap of PLR are now sending out WSO offers instead. It is getting pretty annoying. Sometimes several times a day, because I'm on multiple lists of theirs.
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