Windows 7 is here... good bye Windows ME II

15 years ago

Whut, wait, I just started shopping for a new notebook ... looks like I better wait a few months and avoid paying once again the $500 microsoft tax to have an up to date and fully functioning OS.

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anomaly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexandre Valois

Whut, wait, I just started shopping for a new notebook ... looks like I better wait a few months and avoid paying once again the $500 microsoft tax to have an up to date and fully functioning OS.

lol, me too, me too!! so yeah, i am waiting for a bit , or at least making sure whatever system i buy will handle 7 with ease ... i read somewhere that 7 could come out earlier than planned ... perhaps even as early as mid this year ...

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Floyd Fisher

15 years ago

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

Personally, I think Microsoft realized early on that Vista was released too soon. I suspect Windows 7 will be a major improvement, just like XP was to ME.

And like you Josh, we don't have much of a choice - we've got to stay current with these platforms to support our customers, so we byte the bullet.

Using it right now....and would have preferred a release date of ...never.

Here's Vista's problem: they completely threw out usability in favor of security.

Right now, I'm installing programs from CD. The program stops like 3 seconds into my request with a dialogue box that basically says 'are you really sure you want to do this?'.

Like I need my hand held to that degree. :rolleyes:

If there were hardware drivers for my laptop in XP, Vista would be out of here. However, I do prefer having things like sound and special keyboard functions (which HP doesn't support in XP dammit), so I'm stuck with this abomination of an OS.

Hopefully, MS learned from this disaster, and will actually bring back some usability in the next OS they put out.

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TelZilla

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher

Using it right now....and would have preferred a release date of ...never.

Here's Vista's problem: they completely threw out usability in favor of security.

Amen. Vista truly sucks. I still can't get it to understand that I have programs that "MUST" be loaded at startup. It consistently blocks them from starting up and everything I have tried to stop Vista's insanity has failed.

IMHO, Vista is the OS for people who don't like to think.

If I didn't need windows for some of the things that I'm running, my desktop would be converted over to Linux tomorrow.

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Buster Iversen 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher

Here's Vista's problem: they completely threw out usability in favor of security.

I think they did that to shut up all the people crying about XP having bad security and saying it should ask for password to elevate permissions. (Microsoft properbly thought it would be a bit extreme to ask for password all the time but they did give you the dialogue box to teach you what a hell it would be).
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Alexandre Valois

15 years ago

Nice pun you made there Mike.

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milan 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexandre Valois

Nice pun you made there Mike.

There is a huuuuuge difference between Windows ME and Windows XP. Windows XP is successor on Windows NT while Windows ME is a successor of Windows 98.
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steven90210

15 years ago

If Windows 7 sucks as much as Vista, I swear I'm converting to a mac.

Vista did look nice at first, but she showed me her true colours soon after.

3 words: naggy, laggy, incompatibility.

any one of these. Goodbye Windows, Hello mac.

Steve.

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Tom B Banned 15 years ago

It just takes some time getting used to Vista. I know, from a programming standpoint, it was a major pain at first with the new security.

I agree with Big Mike. I think it will only get better for now until they decide to redo the whole operating system again.
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  My brother-in-law keeps supplying me with XP machines, so I'll wait and see how Windows 7 pans out. I've learned that it doesn't pay to be an early adopter when it comes to Microsoft products. Although I must admit I was happy with my upgrade to XP back in 2001.
  
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Matt Hoey

15 years ago

I love vista, never had a problem with it and solved some of the problems xp brought me.

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Mark Singletary

15 years ago

I wish they would go back to the "professional" and "home" versions like they did in 2000. For most businesses there is no need for many of the home features. Most business uses don't require being able to make a photo album, download music, swap pictures, play a bunch of games, listen to the radio, watch TV, etc. All or most of which is counter productive in most business situations.

And yes I know you can uninstall those items or control them with Group Policies. Having them there at all though provides more avenues for security and bug issues.

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GeorgR.

15 years ago

VISTA == Devil.

I am saying this as a PC crack/programmer who has a high end computer and works with OS for many years already.

I cant wait for Windows7. I think its ironic that my old XP machine feels snappier and faster than this high end pc with Vista 64, this PC has 4GB ram and 4 CPUs running at 3.5Ghz and is a multitude faster than the old one.
Ever since i installed Vista i hate it. I really hope MS made some improvements, for a change.

Add: the fact that "windows 7" rumors came up so shortly after the release of Vista is proof that MS actually admitted it failed w/ Vista..otherwise we wouldnt hear about W7 for a LOOONG time. By the way, XP was a good and stable OS.

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15 years ago

Hi All,

Personally, I never upgraded to vista due to the compatibility issues I read about
early on.

I do find it interesting that vista took almost 5 years and the windows 7 is already
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Josh Anderson

15 years ago

There is a huuuuuge difference between Windows ME and Windows XP. Windows XP is successor on Windows NT while Windows ME is a successor of Windows 98.

Following that pattern then Vista was the successor to ME making it ME II ;-)

Nothing cost me more in recovery costs, frustration, and lost hours of productivity than ME.

XP was like a spring shower after the long winter of ME. Quite refreshing. Vista is a bit like a water heater that does not keep the water hot for very long... you enjoy it for moments and then yelp in shock when the water suddenly runs cold.

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milan

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

XP was like a spring shower after the long winter of ME. Quite refreshing. Vista is a bit like a water heater that does not keep the water hot for very long... you enjoy it for moments and then yelp in shock when the water suddenly runs cold.

What in particular do you like/need in Vista that you don't have in XP?

I'm not that emotional when it comes to Operating Systems.

No OS is like water or spring to me.

I just use what works for me (that would be Windows XP).

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GeorgR.

15 years ago

Originally Posted by milan

What in particular do you like/need in Vista that you don't have in XP?

I'm not that emotional when it comes to Operating Systems.

No OS is like water or spring to me.

I just use what works for me (that would be Windows XP).

easy answer: NOTHING

I know that many might call me crazy, i also deactivated most of the "fancy" features incl. "3d windows" (even if i have a high-end PC) since i don't need them or widgets/sidebar or whatever bloat is there which i dont care about.

All i want is a snappy system where i can run several applications at the same time - without the BLOAT. Vista is extremely laggy, un-snappy and unresponsive compared to XP.

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Thomas 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

Nothing cost me more in recovery costs, frustration, and lost hours of productivity than ME.

I hope everyone knows ME is Windows Millennium Edition.

Otherwise, it may look like Josh is declaring himself to be his own worst enemy.

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cypherslock

15 years ago

Go Ubuntu! that's all I'll say. Mind you Mac OSX was built on Darwin (a Unix flavor) so it is quite good and fast. I just can't get past the a) sticker shock and b) not being able to tinker to my black little heart's content.

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Paul Myers 15 years ago

Go Ubuntu! that's all I'll say.

I've got a friend getting the specs together for me for a new machine, and one of the requirements I gave him was that it had to be set up to dual boot, with some flavor of Linux as the second option. Also, the ability to change which system it booted into by default at any time.

I've been putting off buying a new system because it's such a pain to get anything that doesn't have Vista on it. I'm done giving Microsloth any influence at all in my actions.

Of course, I'm a writer, so I don't have the constraints of guys like Josh and Mike, who have to support end users. About the biggest tech support issue I ever have is if they can't handle a PDF. Happens, the answer is the same no matter what OS, so it's all good.

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raynman

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cypherslock

Go Ubuntu! that's all I'll say. Mind you Mac OSX was built on Darwin (a Unix flavor) so it is quite good and fast. I just can't get past the a) sticker shock and b) not being able to tinker to my black little heart's content.

can ubuntu be run at the same time as windows...well, not at the same time...can you have both on the computer without one interfering with the other?

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sunnyman

15 years ago

I still use XP. From what I heard, Vista is a tremendous hog on the hardware (and software?) resources. Being able to see folders in 3-D is NOT a good reason for me to invest in 1000s of $$$ worth of new hardware.

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mix_daylee

15 years ago

I don't know about you guys, but I've never had any problems with windows vista. I'm running 3 laptops about 10-14hrs per day each and I've never had any issues. They all run multiple programs at a time without missing a beat.

The only issues I've had were compatability issues with software, but that was an easy fix.

The only thing I guess it's making the difference is that all these laptops came with vista as the OS. Meaning I never had to do any upgrades. I guess this is where people found themselves in trouble.

Therefore, I cannot knock windows vista. I've used windows xp and I think vista can hang.

I'm not a big fan of the touch screen technology windows 7 offers. I like to keep my loptops spotless.

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

I'm not a big fan of the touch screen technology windows 7 offers.

That's actually one of the few things I do think I'd like about the thing. That's probably just my inner geek, though, as I wouldn't really use it much. But it looks so cool.

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Corwinnx

15 years ago

The Microsoft Motto: Ship Crap, Fix It Later...

Originally Posted by Tim Franklin

good discussion, as we all know, Microsoft has had a history of releasing its products before they are actually ready to be released.

This is done on intentionally, due to the very real fact that Microsoft tends to use its users, ) to reveal problems with the operating system.

Microsoft philosophy of business ethics.

1. create a product and release it before its ready.

2. wait for users of product to complain about problems with product.

3. fix top ten problems users have with product.

4. release the next product version before its ready with some fixes corrected.

5. wait for customers to complain about problems with latest product.

The way I see it, if you use Microsoft Products then you already know what to expect from Windows 7

It may be a sad thing for many people but I left that all behind five years ago when I decided to give Steve my money, mostly because MAC anticipates my problems and fixes it before it becomes a huge issue.

I still use Microsoft XP mostly because I need to be able to test out our software on a windows computer, but I only upgrade when it becomes unavoidable.

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Kevin Riley 15 years ago

Originally Posted by mix_daylee

I'm not a big fan of the touch screen technology windows 7 offers.

Me neither. Having to lift my arm off the desk and reach across to the screen, seems like too much exercise. I'll save my arm lifting for my whiskey glass.
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Josh Anderson

15 years ago

I don't know about you guys, but I've never had any problems with windows vista. I'm running 3 laptops about 10-14hrs per day each and I've never had any issues. They all run multiple programs at a time without missing a beat.

You're lucky. There are lots of software applications that ran fine in XP but that vista chokes on.

The only thing I guess it's making the difference is that all these laptops came with vista as the OS.

No the only difference is Vista. The operating system itself and various differences between it and XP that cause previously compatible software to be incompatible.

What in particular do you like/need in Vista that you don't have in XP?

The ability to run software previously compatible in XP which Vista won't work with regardless of running compatibility mode, running as admin, UAC adjustments etc.

Also Vista was the first to reintroduce me to the blue screen of death since I left ME.

I like you have a pile of "high end" computers... quad core, massive ram, mega video cards etc and unfortunately XP is not compatible with many newer systems either.

From the article it sounds like Windows 7 will be addressing many of those exact issues.

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milan

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

You're lucky. There are lots of software applications that ran fine in XP but that vista chokes on.

...because a lot of XP software is badly written.

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

Also Vista was the first to reintroduce me to the blue screen of death since I left ME.

The difference between the bsod on Vista and ME is huge! If it happens to you on Vista 99.9% of the time it can be because of one of the two reasons:

A) Bad hardware
B) Bad driver (and not just any type of driver!).

While on Windows ME it could happen from anything, even because of a bug in a completely genuine program. That's a huge difference.

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

I like you have a pile of "high end" computers... quad core, massive ram, mega video cards etc and unfortunately XP is not compatible with many newer systems either.

That's a valid reason. However, I'm sure that the "pro-pro"

version of Windows XP (Windows 2003) is supported by pro hardware manufacturers.

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bgmacaw 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

You're lucky. There are lots of software applications that ran fine in XP but that vista chokes on.

As a programmer, I'll have to agree with Milan. A lot of programmers ignored what Microsoft was telling developers about how they should program for the future as in don't use the registry, don't write data to the same folder as the application, etc. But, us programmers, being the know-it-alls that we are, kept doing things we had been doing since Windows ME stalked the earth.

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

Also Vista was the first to reintroduce me to the blue screen of death since I left ME.

The secure driver model was the culprit here. Companies didn't want to invest in creating new drivers for old hardware even in spite of Microsoft's arm twisting. This was probably the biggest mistake in Vista.
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milan

15 years ago

Huh? When did Microsoft say things like that? Like 'don't use the registry'??

Can you quote these please?

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Paul Myers 15 years ago

[chuckle] One man's view on Windoze 7

If you look after today...

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bgmacaw

15 years ago

Concerning using the registry, if you read articles in MSDN about it, even as early as 2002 they indicated that you should comply with certain narrow guidelines for registry use as described in the XP logo specs and the preferred method in the .NET family of languages was to use the Application Data area for the logged in user. Since there was no UAC enforcing these guidelines in XP everybody ignored them, at least until they had a client who used administrator policies to lock down the registry on user systems after multiple spyware attacks. In Vista, some of these guidelines have become rules and that breaks some apps.

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milan

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Concerning using the registry, if you read articles in MSDN about it, even as early as 2002 they indicated that you should comply with certain narrow guidelines for registry use as described in the XP logo specs and the preferred method in the .NET family of languages was to use the Application Data area for the logged in user. Since there was no UAC enforcing these guidelines in XP everybody ignored them, at least until they had a client who used administrator policies to lock down the registry on user systems after multiple spyware attacks. In Vista, some of these guidelines have become rules and that breaks some apps.

The guidelines in the logo specs are described in detail with a lot of specifics, but they are not really narrow. Programmers were using things the way they were not supposed to be used (like, storing user specific data at the wrong places). It's was more about correcting these than really narrowing the use of registry. The registry will evolve, but not vanish like that. You might've been reading about .INI files, Microsoft suggests these should not be used anymore.

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Tim Franklin

15 years ago

good discussion, as we all know, Microsoft has had a history of releasing its products before they are actually ready to be released.

This is done on intentionally, due to the very real fact that Microsoft tends to use its users, ) to reveal problems with the operating system.

Microsoft philosophy of business ethics.

1. create a product and release it before its ready.

2. wait for users of product to complain about problems with product.

3. fix top ten problems users have with product.

4. release the next product version before its ready with some fixes corrected.

5. wait for customers to complain about problems with latest product.

The way I see it, if you use Microsoft Products then you already know what to expect from Windows 7

It may be a sad thing for many people but I left that all behind five years ago when I decided to give Steve my money, mostly because MAC anticipates my problems and fixes it before it becomes a huge issue.

I still use Microsoft XP mostly because I need to be able to test out our software on a windows computer, but I only upgrade when it becomes unavoidable.

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milan

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tim Franklin

This is done on intentionally, due to the very real fact that Microsoft tends to use its users, ) to reveal problems with the operating system.

Microsoft philosophy of business ethics.

1. create a product and release it before its ready.

2. wait for users of product to complain about problems with product.

3. fix top ten problems users have with product.

4. release the next product version before its ready with some fixes corrected.

5. wait for customers to complain about problems with latest product.

The way I see it, if you use Microsoft Products then you already know what to expect from Windows 7

It may be a sad thing for many people but I left that all behind five years ago when I decided to give Steve my money, mostly because MAC anticipates my problems and fixes it before it becomes a huge issue.

I still use Microsoft XP mostly because I need to be able to test out our software on a windows computer, but I only upgrade when it becomes unavoidable.

This is false, and it's not done intentionally. And they never wait for anything. Their products are always in development, it never stops. No program in this world is ever "ready" or "finished". It's about doing draw backs and planning for the future (and if you think you have a program without any bugs - that means you just don't know about them). There are phases where the stabilization is much more important (some time before the release date), and release dates depend a lot on the marketing decisions etc. There are a lot of cycles (and micro cycles) in the development.. If they release something intentionally too soon it's because of the "smart" marketing people, bad planning or bad communication - they don't do it all the time or because they find that model great.

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realworldincome 15 years ago

I've used Windows from 3.1 to Vista mostly because of the vast amount of Windows-based software out there. Mac, in some areas, couldn't compete at times with PC software (especially in the freeware arena). A lot of specialized software was written in greater quantity and diversity than for Apple's platform. However, that old dilemma has shifted where Macs with Intel processors can run Windows. It makes a Mac (even with the higher price tag and less user tinkering) a bit more attractive. Especially if you have some valuable legacy PC software you still need to use.
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Tim Franklin

15 years ago

Originally Posted by milan

This is false, and it's not done intentionally. And they never wait for anything. Their products are always in development, it never stops. No program in this world is ever "ready" or "finished". It's about doing draw backs and planning for the future (and if you think you have a program without any bugs - that means you just don't know about them). There are phases where the stabilization is much more important (some time before the release date), and release dates depend a lot on the marketing decisions etc. There are a lot of cycles (and micro cycles) in the development.. If they release something intentionally too soon it's because of the "smart" marketing people, bad planning or bad communication - they don't do it all the time or because they find that model great.

Hi, with all due respect, I do not think that you can be 100 percent positive on that opinion, just the same as I cannot be truly 100 percent positive that Microsoft releases its products in this manner intentionally.

However it does broach the idea that for some reason which defies logic, my experience as well as thousands of other users bear a striking resemblance to this very unspoken fact.

I have made it my business to know operating systems and I can tell you from 20 years of experience that indeed you are correct nothing is 100 percent perfect, however that being said you have to notice that other operating systems tend to be more stable than microsoft, why this is true I cannot say, but it is the truth and there are numerous publications, (white papers and bench marks to back that up)

While it is true that I am not a fan of windows, I can say that since windows 98 a problem has existed concerning the proper use of USB drivers, which by the way extends to the current issue of windows Vista.

Taking that into consideration, I stand in amazement that such bugs remain unfixed even after years of knowing the problem exists.

This is why I am dubious about the next version of windows will somehow magically be better than any of its predcessors over the last 15 years.

Just a few thoughts.

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Chris Lockwood

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tim Franklin

good discussion, as we all know, Microsoft has had a history of releasing its products before they are actually ready to be released.

Microsoft philosophy of business ethics.

1. create a product and release it before its ready.

2. wait for users of product to complain about problems with product.

3. fix top ten problems users have with product.

4. release the next product version before its ready with some fixes corrected.

5. wait for customers to complain about problems with latest product.

As opposed to all the other major software publishers, which make perfect software?

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ThalesMM

15 years ago

Windows Vista was a mistake, it sucks all the memory of your computer.

I'm currently beta testing Windows 7 and it is WAY better.
But, I'm still a mac fan...

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GeorgR.

15 years ago

I had an Amiga when you were all still p**ping in your pants, best OS ever

On a serious side-note, it was a good OS. Vista is just the anti-thesis of effectiveness, and as a programmer i just hate things like that. Their philosophy:
"Doesn't matter how slow and bloated our OS code is, user can always get faster PCs with 8 cores and 16GB ram....we're sure it will run then"

(Compensation of horrible code w/ hardware...)

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Originally Posted by GeorgR.

I had an Amiga when you were all still p**ping in your pants, best OS ever

On a serious side-note, it was a good OS. Vista is just the anti-thesis of effectiveness, and as a programmer i just hate things like that. Their philosophy:
"Doesn't matter how slow and bloated our OS code is, user can always get faster PCs with 8 cores and 16GB ram....we're sure it will run then"

(Compensation of horrible code w/ hardware...)

Me too and a Commodore 64 before that. I started learning how to program on that Commodore. hehe

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15 years ago

If only more programs would run on Linux... ;-)

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camforbes

15 years ago

I'm gonna see if I can load up Windows 7 on VMWare on my Mac G5 quad...

then make a bunch of videos showing how I made a million dollars last year using Windows 7!

All joking aside, it's safe to assume that we're all geeks here to some degree or another.

After all, if you don't understand computers, how can you possibly expect to make a lot of money online using your computer?

But... I really don't think a shiny new OS is going to make or break your IM career.

Assuming you've worked in one OS for any period of time you've figured out the quirks and how to work around them to accomplish your tasks in the quickest and most efficient way possible. It doesn't matter if it's Mac OSX, Ubuntu, Me, Vista, XP or whatever.

If anything, switching over to a new OS is going to take time away from the critical tasks you need to get done for your business - such as spending time on this forum (I've figured out my time on WF *earns me* up to $100/hour), marketing, building, researching, etc...

That's just my $0.02.

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Josh Anderson

15 years ago

It makes a Mac (even with the higher price tag and less user tinkering) a bit more attractive.

Higher price tag?

For around $800 total (including buying the osx 10 disk from Best Buy) I built my own Mac (semi pro) without any hacks using the Efix Dongle.

Specs:

Intel core duo Quad 9300 (quad core)
8gb corsair ram
500 GB Hard Drive
Nvida GE 9600 video card
OSX 10.5

In other words... its just as cheap to build a beefy mac now as it is a PC if you use the Efix Dongle and order your parts online from places like Newegg.com

What is even cooler is the dongle will dual boot from the first screen at startup to any HD you have in the computer so you can boot to one with your OSX on it or with Windows on it or even Linux without using any virtual software. The only extra cost involved would be a second hard drive and the cost of the operating system.

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Andy Money

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

Higher price tag?

For around $800 total (including buying the osx 10 disk from Best Buy) I built my own Mac (semi pro) without any hacks using the Efix Dongle.

Specs:

Intel core duo Quad 9300 (quad core)
8gb corsair ram
500 GB Hard Drive
Nvida GE 9600 video card
OSX 10.5

In other words... its just as cheap to build a beefy mac now as it is a PC if you use the Efix Dongle and order your parts online from places like Newegg.com

Yeah I've seen that dongle, pretty cool.

I'd like to do the same, but for the life of me I still can't find the value in a Mac. I use them daily in classes and stuff, but I still haven't seen a single thing that they do that makes me want one. :/

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rbraddy

15 years ago

Yeah, well based on the last 5 releases of Windows... I'll wait for Service Pack 1 to deploy Windows 7 (just because)

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Jason Fenty

15 years ago

I think Microsoft are launching far to many OS's people need to get used to an OS before an upgrade and a new name. Maybe there just trying to shake off the vista curse with a new shiner looking OS

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branstyweb

15 years ago

I think the best advice given in this tread is to wait for the first service pack release of any new operating system (especially MS).
I currently still use XP, as I have been to "repair" several of my friends computers, the Vista ones have been both the daftest fault and the most awkward to repair.
Personally I use linux (opensuse mainly or Kubuntu sometimes) whenever I can, especially for web related tasks, I have even converted my brother-in-law to linux completley, he is a computer user (webbrowsing, Word proccessor, email, bit of spreadsheets) , he does not know how they work, he just needs it to work, and it is now 2 years since I have had to rescue his system, which is great since I don't get paid for this one.

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LEAPresearch 15 years ago

Since MS passed on their public opening day yesterday, anyone have any info as to when this is going to be offered to the public?

Also, BGMACAW,

My little Goffin Cockatoo, Skipper, would sure like to have someone to play with. LOL I've often loved to look at macaws. Have always wanted a Hyacinth but who could afford a baby? $10K?

Bird lovers get to see the world through completely different eyes and concepts. Remember the first time you took your macaw into an elevator? The expression on his face when the doors reopened and he was in a whole new world? LOL Ya gotta love'em!
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Josh Anderson

15 years ago

My strongest machine is a COMPAQ 1 GHz, with only 512 of RAM, but still it hasn't been turned off more than 2-4 hours a month, running XP, for at least 5 years!! It works, can't really afford to upgrade to a ton of problems. I have a newer machine, and I'm sorry, going to buy another used machine, another tank for the long haul. Downtime costs money, new machines cost money, and cost down time.

If I used a machine with only 512 of ram I would waste days of time waiting for it to complete processes.

If you were to upgrade to a quad core Vista computer with 4 gigs of ram you would forget that old crapper in about an hour.

Unless of course you are using it to run programs older than the computer you are using ;-)

There is no way I could do what I do on a computer with only 512 ram on xp...

Heck even my weakest machine is an HP with an intel d chip and 2 gigs of ram and I only keep that around for the small handful of programs that did not make the vista cut.

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MikeAmbrosio

15 years ago

Maybe waiting is why I have not had any problems.

I waited almost 2 years before moving to XP. To date, XP was my favorite of the MS systems.

I moved to Vista earlier this year and I can honestly say that I have not had any major issues. It DID take some getting used to in certain ways, but for the most part, I am using it "out of the box" and I don't see any significant difference in speed, etc.

I will say though that it is frustrating trying to network my Vista machines with my remaining XP ones. In fact, it's damn near impossible. With all I have read about that, it has everything to do with Vista.

Well, we'll see how 7 is. No doubt, if it works better than Vista, MS will come out with something "new and improved" anyway, startng this whole mess over again...

Mike

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cypherslock

15 years ago

Yes you can. In fact there is an easy way to install it. When you are in windows just download the ubuntu iso and burn it to disk. Then just pop the disc in. The install will run within windows and create a separate partition for ubuntu without touching any of your files. Once the install is done, when you restart you will have the choice of Ubuntu or Windows. And every time you restart thereafter you have this choice. My wife needs windows for her Pampered Chef software so we have both running on our old 1.6 ghz HP. Now you can even use files inbetween operating systems as well.

If you go to Dropbox - Home - Secure backup, sync and sharing made easy. and download and install the client for windows and then do the same on Ubuntu, any file you put into the dropbox you have access to regardless of which OS you're in. The beauty of this is you can use GIMP for images on both systems as well as OpenOffice.

So depending on how I feel on a particular day I can get my work done and have access to my critical files without worrying about which OS I'm in.

Wow. Sorry guys, longer than I thought.

Hope that helps and answers some questions. I've been with Ubuntu for a long time (I love the command line) so any other questions, just ask!

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GeorgR.

15 years ago

W7 runs nice, i made a clone of my Vista 64 install and upgraded to W7, it took a few hours (i had over a million files and it goes through all of them)...but i really, really love it already.

No major problem so far.

G.

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newbie@CPA

15 years ago

same argurement, different day! hopefully, windows 7 will correct the many failures of vista - although i am getting used to the os.

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Buster Iversen

15 years ago

I have got Windows 7 running on a test machine and so far I must say impressions are good. The task bar functions similar to the dock in OS X (OS X is the operating system on mac computers for those who don't know) witch is nice. It is quick but that could change before release.

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steelhead

15 years ago

Yuo, I know what you mean. The MS track record has been spotty or cyclical over the last 15 years. I still remember the day when ME froze on Gates with the blue screen of death during the roll out. Hah! skip it

I'm still on XP and will stay there for at least a year. So, I'm skipping Vista altogether. I figure my every-other-OS strategy is a good one.
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thebrokenbox

15 years ago

Well I am now downloading Windows 7 and I must say I'm pretty excited. I currently use Vista and I've never had any problems but I am looking forward to using a new OS. I don't really care about what I use. I remember using 98 then switching to ME then to XP then to Vista and I've never had any serious issues so Windows 7 will just be another change, but I like change. Only thing is the download rate is absolutely atrocious. 100 Kb/s is just not acceptable with my connection speed and my laptop speed.

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Josh Anderson

15 years ago

I watched over the shoulder of a linux user once and it reminded me of watching over the shoulder of my grade school friend as he typed dos into his PC.

Ever since then I have always noticed how Linux users assume that normal people could find their way around it.

When I saw my friend typing that dos I was happy my dad brought home the apple IIc.

I think I'd rather use an apple II than learn how to speak Klingon...

Or does Linux finally have a nice user interface now?

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Buster Iversen

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

I watched over the shoulder of a linux user once and it reminded me of watching over the shoulder of my gradeshool friend as he typed dos into his PC.

Ever since then I have always noticed how Linux users assume that normal people could find their way around it.

When I saw my friend typing that dos I was happy my dad brought home the apple IIc.

I think I'd rather use an apple II than learn how to speak Klingon...

Or does Linux finally have a nice user interface now?

Linux has a nice interface similar to windows now. But linux/the programs still lack in user friendliness, I believe it is because it is mainly programmed in peoples spare time and nobody things interface design is fun.

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cypherslock

15 years ago

er..have you actually used Ubuntu? Installing is almost like windows. And it is more secure without being annoying.

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