Did you think this was a scam too?

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"I thought this was a scam to, until..."

You may have noticed that most of the reviews sites have this somewhere in the second paragraph of a review of ANY IM product. It goes like "At first I thought it was a scam but..."

You can bet this strategy worked at first, but the trouble is when you are looking for an honest review of an IM product, you can't get one.

Here's your question:

If you have be looking for reviews, do you find this frustrating? Does it make you feel you can't find honest reviews before parting with your money?

On the other hand...

If you own a review site, have you seen diminishing returns using this strategy?
  • Profile picture of the author ultimates
    Great point. It is hard to find honest reviews of products online. I have a new program that is currently in the making coming out to help verify reviews on web sites. I will be posting to the warriorforum here soon for some beta testing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    One of the most frustrating things online nowadays is finding honest reviews of products and services especially in IM. Search for any new product launch and you will find hundreds of affilate sites that line the first few pages of Google. It is next to impossible to know what is real and was is not. Sometimes you have to check a forum like WF or decide on your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnapo
    For me these sites do help to find the highlights and then take it from there to verify what they say it's true or not. I agree it's hard to be sure with all these techniques that just try to pull your money out of your pocket. The more naive and inexperienced you are the more they will lure you to their bait.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    Since we all know IM, it's so easy to spot a dishonest review, it can make it literally impossible to find a decent review. Most products on Amazon have honest reviews though, but even things like astroturfing are a possibility. It's a minefield, that's for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danielm
    I've become so much more jaded about reviews since seeing the WSO section here. I've bought a number of things that had pages and pages of amazing reviews to find out its not only not amazing, but garbage, and even sometimes illegal. Unless I really trust the seller or the person suggesting it I take a lot of the reviews with a grain of salt anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author FrozenGod
    There are HONEST review - here on the Warrior Forum - go to the products reviews section and you will find a review about every possible "Money Making Product", my opinion is 99% of them are fluff so you don't really need a review!
    And trust me fake-review websites are freaking profitable in the IM niche but I'm not doing them cause they are hot only while the product is hot too and then the profits goes down to like $50 (as the affiliate).

    Also i hate scamming people and even when i try i can't do it properly cause i have some moral problems with this kind of business (i mean writing a 100% bullsh*t).

    Conclusion: If you want to make some fast moolah and don't have any moral problems you can build-up a review site and push it to page 1 (not hard at all if you ask me). Also if you want to find good reviews go and check the proper section here on the warrior forum.

    Best Regards,
    Rico S.
    "Formal education will make you a living; self-education will make you a fortune."
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  • Profile picture of the author gorufus
    I particularly like the video reviews. When someone shows they have purchased the product and take you "behind the scenes" so to speak.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Pretty
    Some of the early purported brainiacs of IM advanced a theory by which suggesting something was a scam -- and then arguing on a Blog or website that it was not -- was a good way to drive traffic and convert visitors into buyers.

    That segment of the IM herd that is willing to try anything that "works" despite the potential consequences naturally helped the "scam-as-keyword" approach go viral.

    This approach had multiple effects, including associating the names and brands of well-known, reputable companies with the word "scam." It didn't seem to matter to the IM brainiacs that they had created marketplace confusion and PR nightmares.

    Perhaps the most insidious early result of this approach is that it made it harder for the prospects of legitimate, reputable businesses that had affiliate programs to find reliable, accurate information quickly through web searches. Searchers had to wade through oceans of web spittle to find accurate, unbiased information -- at the cost of time and productivity.

    It also made it harder for law-enforcement personnel investigating complaints from individuals who claimed to have been defrauded in an actual scam to find useful information quickly.

    The approach then evolved into one that aided actual scammers to delay or avoid detection.

    Last year I covered a story in which a company associated with one of the most disreputable IMers in the United States ran into a problem with the Better Business Bureau. The scammer-in-chief knew about the negative report from the BBB and that references to it had begun to appear online in Blog and forum posts.

    The company named in the BBB report then advanced a scheme by which it literally changed the name of one of its products to "BBB" in a bid to blunt the effect of the negative BBB report and to cloud search results -- i.e., create confusion and make it harder for prospects and researchers to find reliable, accurate information quickly.

    The firm's brainiac-in-chief was none other than the notorious Phil Piccolo. What the firm and Piccolo were doing -- literally -- was trying to make people believe that an MLM company known as Data Network Affiliates (DNA) had the capacity to assist the AMBER Alert program recover abducted children. The scheme was one by which members literally were told to write down the license plate numbers of cars parked at Walmarts, other major retailers, doctors' offices and churches while their owners were inside shopping, being treated for a medical condition or worshiping.

    The license-plate numbers purportedly would be entered into a DNA-maintained database with a field line of the street address at which the DNA member had recorded the plate number. (Some promoters also recommended that incoming members actually take pictures of license plates or record them with video cameras, thus potentially assisting a private "Big Brother" in the creation of a movement profile of specific cars with specific owners.)

    In the event a child was abducted into a car and a witness was able to write down the plate number as the car sped away, DNA purportedly had the capacity to scan its database to see if the plate number had been entered by one of its members -- and to inform law enforcement that the plate had returned a "hit" in the DNA database on a certain date and time preceding the abduction.

    The purported theory behind this was that, if the dangerous driver/abductor remained on the lam with the abducted child, law enforcement could stake out the parking lot at which the car purportedly had been sighted earlier by a DNA member in case the driver returned to go shopping, have his surgical stitches removed or praise the Lord.

    This was harebrained from the get-go, even if you don't consider the very real privacy concerns and legal issues such a scheme brings into play -- and yet a reported 100,000 IMers/MLMers signed up for the scheme, helping it spread virally.

    The "BBB" tweaking occurred after THOUSANDS of affiliate promotions for DNA -- all singing the praises of the company and some featuring images of Donald Trump and Oprah Winfrey as though they had endorsed the scheme -- appeared online. The search results were further diluted by the "scam-as-keyword" approach, adding to a thicket that made it difficult if not virtually impossible for people searching for accurate information to find it quickly.

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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    Given most WF members are very switched on, the WF product review section generally has very honest (sometimes brutally so) reviews.

    If you find the majority of WF members give a product a good review, then you can have a pretty high confidence that the product is good.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    There was a review site that I used a while back, but I forget the name of it and I guess I didn't save it. reviews***.com or something like that. They had reviews on most anything you could think of. Wish I still knew the URL of that site as I could use it from time to time.

    Tim Pears

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  • Profile picture of the author shuvo
    Yeah its really difficult to find those products that has honest review.Many people nowadays give those reviews for a small fee.So its important to buy the product wisely.It would be best if those products offer a "test or free trial" then you dont need to be worry.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Actually, this practice can make finding the honest reviews easier. Do a search for [product name] review, and use the usual variations of the scam phrasing as negative keywords.

      Might cut your list of returned results by half or better, but that's the breaks...

      Patrick, it's good to see your smiling mug around here again
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      • Profile picture of the author cscarpero
        I actually own a review site that posts real reviews (bizoppreviews.org) and no I'm not always positive on the product. I think it actually does help conversion to tell all sides of the story and let others post a review as well. I feel better in the process as well.

        Here on Warrior is good as well as is IM Reportcard.

        The fact of the matter is that someone is buying from the fake review sites and it doesn't have to be you!

        I'm an online marketer and mortgage loan officer.

        Connect with me at www.Scarpero.com

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