Should I Unsubscribe From this Guy?

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Dear fellow warriors,

Recently I bought a popular WSO.

The problem started shortly after that.

There is no issue with what he delivered as per the sales copy. The problem is with the emails he's sending me.

I am spammed with affiliate emails over and over again.

I thought of unsubscribing from his list, but if I do, I will be unsubscribed from my WSO list as well. I guess that would prevent me from receiving any bonus
or updates for the WSO I bought.

I tried contacting the person by sending a personal message in FB. but no response.

What do you think? What should I do?
#guy #unsubscribe
  • Profile picture of the author Hamidafg
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    • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
      Originally Posted by Hamidafg View Post

      Keep the subcription, just mark his affiliate emails as spam and they will go to spam inbox.
      If you signed up to his list, you will almost certainly have agreed to receive promotional emails from him. Those are exactly what you are getting. He /she may be over zelous and sending you more than you consider reasonable but that does not constitute spam.

      In general you would expect to get some good free information mixed in with some offers. If you personally are not gaining from the emails then simply unsubscribe.

      To flag his email as spam would be not only be incorrect but IMV unfair.

      If you are expecting upgrades etc for the product then contact the seller and tell him. Explain the situation that you want to ensure you get your upgrades but you find his affiliate offers too much.

      Most sellers will actually welcome the feedback and be able to do more with it than if you simply flag it as spam.

      Besides, if you flag it as spam all his mails will be blocked or dropped into you spam box and you will have to look there to find your updates.
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  • Profile picture of the author Psst
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    What do you mean "I am spammed with affiliate emails over and over again." Could you elaborate more on this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sire
    I use a spam filter to filter out my email. In your situation I would mark his emails as spam and the filter would take care of the rest.
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    • Profile picture of the author techservice
      I would agree with you for the most part but many WSO's offer excellent value in what they deliver so I don't mind in being made aware of other WSO's but the owner of the list should be offering some value in their emails as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    Welcome to life after you buy a WSO. Every day you will get more emails saying "buy this, buy this!" It blows my mind just how little most marketers seem to understand human interaction. If you throw a sales pitch at someone every time you contact them, you will lose major value, respect and trust in their eyes. Even a ton of "respected" warriors here do this all the time. Its funny to see the same people who endlessly echo "The money is in the relationship with the list" treat their lists like nothing more than a piggy bank to be shook down.

    This is why my lists give me such a positive response; I email maybe once a week and RARELY throw them a sales pitch, and I make it obvious early on in my autoresponder that my emails are not about selling them something. I offer them real tips, tricks, and value, and in return, they often buy when I finally do promote something.

    My advice? If you want the updates, just delete the rest of his spammy offers and feel free to contact him directly to let him know how you feel. If he's smart, he'll take your constructive criticism for what it is. If not, he'll ignore it at his own peril and his lists will continue to think of him as just another spamming clown to be ignored.
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      • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
        Good lesson here.

        If you have a responsive list of buyers, then send them real value, something they can really use, if you have them targeted correctly.

        It is better NOT to send them anything than erode that trust with emails of questionable value.

        Most know when they are being milked vs given something real.

        The worst is when you say something is free, but what you are really doing is signing up to someone else's list trying to sell you something, then , when you try to leave, the page says "wait", then it says here is another free gift and HE signs you up to someone ELSE'S list, and on and on, none of them offering anything of value except a sales hype pitch landing page.

        This "sharelist" method was a popular fad for a while, some can still make it work, but when I see that, I not only unsubscribe to that marketers list, I don't trust or ever buy the products of the sharelist participants.

        I noticed the marketers of the highest standing recommend very few , if any, other marketers because unless they KNOW for a FACT that marketer has good, good stuff, his trust and reputation is tarnished to some extent by being in association with those he recommendations.

        These type of guys rarely make an error in this regard and I can only count 3 or 4 like this so far.

        I guess some have not mastered the principle of "people want to buy , but do not like being sold to".

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  • Profile picture of the author bagpuss0001
    Yeah,

    Mark his selling emails as spam if they are that bad. Just because someone sells a WSO, doesn't mean they are perfect.
    He has actually given you a very valuable bonus without realizing it... teaching you how not to treat your list of subscribers. All sales should be harvested with care and consideration. He got your custom with his WSO sales copy, so theres an example of a real winning pitch.
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    • Profile picture of the author smallbusinessguy
      Thank you for the feedback everyone.

      I did not want to mark as spam.

      But, email after email with sales pitches? It's just too much.

      I think I will keep deleting his emails. I guess I might accidentally delete valuable emails too.

      Most of his emails are misleading too. I mean, in the title he makes it seem as if it's a gift. then inside, it;s an affiliate link.

      Another kind of trick he uses is sending a mail asking to download one of his previous software/wso.

      But there is a catch. You can download it only if you buy the latest WSO.

      I lost trust in this guy anyway. So I am going to unsubscribe
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      • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
        Originally Posted by smallbusinessguy View Post

        Thank you for the feedback everyone.

        I did not want to mark as spam.

        But, email after email with sales pitches? It's just too much.

        I think I will keep deleting his emails. I guess I might accidentally delete valuable emails too.

        Most of his emails are misleading too. I mean, in the title he makes it seem as if it's a gift. then inside, it;s an affiliate link.

        Another kind of trick he uses is sending a mail asking to download one of his previous software/wso.

        But there is a catch. You can download it only if you buy the latest WSO.

        I lost trust in this guy anyway. So I am going to unsubscribe
        It sounds as if he has no idea how to look after his customers and I think from this comment you are now convinced about that too.
        You are getting no benefit from being on his list so bail out-unsubscribe.

        There are a 100's (at least) Warriors that would love to have you on their list and will give you loads of free great information that will genuinely help your online endevours. Far more than from just a single WSO. Those are the lists you need to be on. Dump any that are not like that.

        But unsubscribe, that way you cut off the problem at the source.
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        • Profile picture of the author smallbusinessguy
          Originally Posted by Tony Marriott View Post

          It sounds as if he has no idea how to look after his customers and I think from this comment you are now convinced about that too.
          You are getting no benefit from being on his list so bail out-unsubscribe.

          There are a 100's (at least) Warriors that would love to have you on their list and will give you loads of free great information that will genuinely help your online endevours. Far more than from just a single WSO. Those are the lists you need to be on. Dump any that are not like that.

          But unsubscribe, that way you cut off the problem at the source.
          Done.

          Next time he emails me, I am gone for good.
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      • Profile picture of the author dshipman
        Originally Posted by smallbusinessguy View Post

        Thank you for the feedback everyone.

        I did not want to mark as spam.

        But, email after email with sales pitches? It's just too much.

        I think I will keep deleting his emails. I guess I might accidentally delete valuable emails too.

        Most of his emails are misleading too. I mean, in the title he makes it seem as if it's a gift. then inside, it;s an affiliate link.

        Another kind of trick he uses is sending a mail asking to download one of his previous software/wso.

        But there is a catch. You can download it only if you buy the latest WSO.

        I lost trust in this guy anyway. So I am going to unsubscribe
        This sounds so familiar. I wonder if we're on the same list. I had to unsubscribe from his list and he's a big name guru.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Louisa
    Absolutely filter and mark as spam. Fish out his contacts only when you need to contact him for support or update. I agree with bagpus0001 - we need to make sure we pay more attention and care to our clients!
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  • Profile picture of the author azmanar
    Hi,

    I suffer the same from so many.

    So, I unsubscribed after being patient for 3 months.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    I agree with the OP but I think it's a great opportunity for the good guys to treat us right and we will stick with them. I'm starting to get non-warrior related "spam" now as well so it looks like the mails are starting to be sold as well - which is a shame. Such a great opportunity to provide good value (finally) and they stuff it up by treating us like we are the last customer alive. Like the poster above, the incredible value of most WSOs have given me some patience but it wears thin a bit quicker these days. It's a wonder to me how people can offer such great value with their WSO and get their after-marketing so wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    The funny thing is. Us list owners know that when we send "value" you just unsubscribe in higher numbers.

    These lists are trained to buy cheap things. So we sell to them.

    The people like you who use the word spam incorrectly are in the minority
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

      The funny thing is. Us list owners know at when we send "value" you just unsubscribe in higher numbers.

      These lists are trained to buy cheap things. So we sell to them.

      The people like you who use the word spam incorrectly are in the minority
      Actually Brad, you prejudge me without knowing the facts.

      I'm not using the word incorrectly at all because I AM talking about spam. Viagra...etc stuff that has NOTHING to do with the product I bought from them and I know this for a fact because I use unique emails for every offer (via a catch all account) so I know who EXACTLY is sending me spam and you will probably be surprised to know who some of the biggest offenders are. I know I was.

      Thank you for your considered reply though.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
        Originally Posted by WSOHelp View Post

        Actually Brad, you prejudge me without knowing the facts.

        I'm not using the word incorrectly at all because I AM talking about spam. Viagra...etc stuff that has NOTHING to do with the product I bought from them and I know this for a fact because I use unique emails for every offer (via a catch all account) so I know who EXACTLY is sending me spam and you will probably be surprised to know who some of the biggest offenders are. I know I was.

        Thank you for your considered reply though.

        Sorry I should have clarified I was replying to the op
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        • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
          Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

          Sorry I should have clarified I was replying to the op
          OMG! How embarrassing. I thought you were having a go at me. Sorry about that. I apologise. Italics on your name an everything... I'll go outside for a breath of fresh air I think.
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    • Profile picture of the author smallbusinessguy
      The funny thing is. Us list owners know that when we send "value" you just unsubscribe in higher numbers.
      Who say's all of us unsubscribe when you send "value"? of course, according to you, value must be selling stuff!!!

      Just go and see how people like Pat from smartpassiveincome, marcus from thesaleslion etc treat their email lists. Of course, they treat us well, even without buying anything from them.

      These lists are trained to buy cheap things. So we sell to them.
      You mean people who buy WSO only buy cheap things? I have well over thousands of dollars of original software on my computer. I could have got them for free if I download it off some torrent site. but, I never did that. Guess why? I dont mind paying for something that is worth the price tag.

      Surely people cant expect to slap a 47$ or 99$ or whatever price tag on a re hashed course and expect everyone to buy it. So they sell cheap. Agreed not every WSO is rehashed stuff. but, most are.

      The one I bought was not rehashed. But, the person saw it as a method to gather leads who actually spend money. It's not a new technique. It's an age old marketing trick.

      The people like you who use the word spam incorrectly are in the minority
      I used it as SPAM because I never double opted in for his offers. I just bought his course. That's it. He sends me all those affiliate mails to my paypal email ID which i used to pay him. I never give my paypal email to any list. So I am pretty sure he just assumed I wanted more of his WSO since I bought one of his WSO.

      If I did not ask for it, it's SPAM all the way!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
        Originally Posted by smallbusinessguy View Post

        Who say's all of us unsubscribe when you send "value"? of course, according to you, value must be selling stuff!!!

        Just go and see how people like Pat from smartpassiveincome, marcus from thesaleslion etc treat their email lists. Of course, they treat us well, even without buying anything from them.



        You mean people who buy WSO only buy cheap things? I have well over thousands of dollars of original software on my computer. I could have got them for free if I download it off some torrent site. but, I never did that. Guess why? I dont mind paying for something that is worth the price tag.

        Surely people cant expect to slap a 47$ or 99$ or whatever price tag on a re hashed course and expect everyone to buy it. So they sell cheap. Agreed not every WSO is rehashed stuff. but, most are.

        The one I bought was not rehashed. But, the person saw it as a method to gather leads who actually spend money. It's not a new technique. It's an age old marketing trick.



        I used it as SPAM because I never double opted in for his offers. I just bought his course. That's it. He sends me all those affiliate mails to my paypal email ID which i used to pay him. I never give my paypal email to any list. So I am pretty sure he just assumed I wanted more of his WSO since I bought one of his WSO.

        If I did not ask for it, it's SPAM all the way!!!

        The people who's lists you refer to don't run WSO's as far as I know so their content is irrelevant to this discussion

        When you become a customer you are added to someones list.

        It's up to you to unsubscribe if they send you unwanted offers but it's a far cry from "spam"

        From Wikipedia:

        Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately.

        Indiscriminate would mean you were part of some random bulk list. You are not. You are indeed a part of that sellers unique customer list.

        I am not trying to make you angry here My goal is to simply point out that your use of the word spam is incorrect in this instance.
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        • Profile picture of the author smallbusinessguy
          Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

          The people who's lists you refer to don't run WSO's as far as I know so their content is irrelevant to this discussion
          Does that mean WSO is a means to get people into your list and send them email after email trying to sell more and more? Is that the only purpose of a WSO?

          Besides, I have purchased 2 other WSO and none of them has sent me email after email promoting something.

          It's OK to promote something. But, there is a fine line between what's acceptable and what can be considered overwhelming or almost SPAM.

          When you become a customer you are added to someones list.
          What makes you say so? Where is the opt in? Unless I give permission to send me promo mails, where exactly does this permission marketing come into existence?

          In case you are not aware of what CAN SPAM act describes, here are some quotes

          Don't use deceptive subject lines. The subject line must accurately reflect the content of the message.
          Tell recipients where you're located. Your message must include your valid physical postal address. This can be your current street address, a post office box you've registered with the U.S. Postal Service, or a private mailbox you've registered with a commercial mail receiving agency established under Postal Service regulations.
          He certainly broke them. So, I guess it can be considered SPAM or at least breach of those laws!!!

          Anyway I am not here to talk legal stuff. I am not going to sue him or anything.
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          • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
            Originally Posted by smallbusinessguy View Post

            Does that mean WSO is a means to get people into your list and send them email after email trying to sell more and more? Is that the only purpose of a WSO?
            That is one of many
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    If the marketer sends you junk unsubscribe and be sure
    never buy again.

    There are many small minded sellers who have
    some learning to do about customer relationships.
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      Who is this mystrey guy?
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      • Profile picture of the author smallbusinessguy
        Originally Posted by TommyHaynes View Post

        Who is this mystrey guy?
        It's against forum rules to do that
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  • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
    Definitely unsubscribe if you feel that you are being spammed by emails. Why bother if you won't even read the emails.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    I believe that point -whether or not buying a WSO is the same as opting in on a mailing list- is being argued back and forth right now. There was at least one whole thread about it. The title is something like -"Should you be forced to opt in when you buy a WSO?" Of course, that implies that buying a WSO does not in itself mean you've opted in. I honestly don't know the legal meaning of "spam" well enough to be able to answer this, but it's not a simple question. But the fact that many people perceive it as spam if they didn't actually opt in is a good reason to be careful about this if you're a list owner.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewStark
    It's such a shame that some people don't realise how valuable the email address of a proven buyer is, and they treat it the same as someone's throw-away email they enter for free stuff.

    Perhaps the best way to deal with this is to actually post this as feedback in the WSO you bought? To me the aftercare / support is more important than the actual product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Harold Lindsey
    Yep this is definitely, why you are on his list. Everyone follows a model in the IM World. Some people build a list so they can hammer them with offers over and over again until they either buy or unsubscribe.

    Others, more smarter marketers build their list to provide Value as they are building a Relationship with their people.

    Don't worry about remaining on his list. You can do one of two things. You can either create a seperate folder, and automatically send all of his emails to that folder when they come in. This way you can just see what's going on with him from time to time.

    Or if you don't feel that he is providing you with any real Value, then just unsubscribe. You will always have another chances to buy more WSOs from him in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    i get the same thing...i think one email a week or every 2 weeks is reasonable but not every freakin day......
    i will unsubscribe....
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  • Profile picture of the author Arock
    I bought a great WSO recently, and the creator does the same to me. The only thing is...his product was superb and I look forward to his daily emails. They usually have an affiliate link to another WSO, but I find that he makes really good suggestions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
      Originally Posted by Lutzi View Post

      I bought a great WSO recently, and the creator does the same to me. The only thing is...his product was superb and I look forward to his daily emails. They usually have an affiliate link to another WSO, but I find that he makes really good suggestions.
      I think this is more often the case with reputable warriors.
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      • Profile picture of the author azmanar
        Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

        I think this is more often the case with reputable warriors.
        Hi,

        I like receiving emails from my favourite WSO creators - Mark Hess, John Schwartz, Mike Christon, TPW, Sam England, Paul Myers, Charles Kirkland, Yoel Cohen, Tina Golden, Maria Gudelis, Russ Rufino, Mike Winebuddy, Charles Montgomery, Mark Lyford, James Campbell and several more.

        They gave good tips, webinars and awesome product recommendations.

        I only unsubscribe from those who are trying to sell me scammy products from other people. Their style is almost the same. They hide offers behind AWEBER links and never describe more about the products. I clicked the links and do research on what they have to offer first. Then I classify them. They are all about money and nothing else really matters. Therefore, their integrity is questionable. Best way is to unsubscribe myself from their list. When they changed emails and send me more offers, I report them as spam.
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        • Profile picture of the author FriendlyRob
          I usually stay on these lists. How else are you going to learn marketing techniques if you are not marketed to. I get hundreds of emails a day, I welcome the free marketing lessons.
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  • Profile picture of the author BWellman
    I have been getting tons of offers sometimes 5 and 6 times a day and they are adswaps. I understand the concept and know that I have agreed to get email from one person, but he sends me the same adswap offer sometimes 3 or 4 times a day for several days.

    He does provide some valuable information and I did buy ONE product from him - but now it's full force - I didn't want to unsubscribe either so I could continue to get the WSO info, but I will try the spam filter if they contain the word adswap if I can.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    It's marketing and you identified yourself as someone who is interested in marketing. If you don't want what the person is promoting then delete the email and carry on.

    Everyone reacts like they are the only one on these people's lists. Everyone purchases at different times so the email list owner sends his promotions regularly.

    Also, getting emails from several marketers on a daily basis could be an indication that you purchase more courses than you take action on. Not necessarily the case but could be a contributing factor.

    It's plain and simple... You are a grown adult that can make your own decisions. Of course the list owner knows full well YOU are not going to buy everything he recommends so he recommends different things in his emails because he knows that over his entire list there are a handful of people who are interested in 'A' while another handful are interested in 'B'...

    See what I mean?

    And to clarify this is NOT spam, so if you don't like it you have 3 options:

    1) Unsubscribe from the list
    2) Delete the email
    3) Do nothing

    I like to make people on my lists aware of things that can help them out. Not everyone on my lists are at the same level when it comes to marketing. And as Brad pointed out earlier, more people seem to unsubscribe when you send solid training information instead of flat out promoting stuff.

    I know that's a fact... I send out quality training videos and even emphasize it's Non-Promotional but the unsubscribes are more than if I just promoted something. Maybe I should send actual useful training disguised as a promotion... LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Bill,
    I'm not using the word incorrectly at all because I AM talking about spam. Viagra...etc stuff that has NOTHING to do with the product I bought from them and I know this for a fact because I use unique emails for every offer (via a catch all account) so I know who EXACTLY is sending me spam and you will probably be surprised to know who some of the biggest offenders are. I know I was.
    That stuff comes from botnets. They get the addresses through various means, including a number of ESPs that were breached over the past year. Zombied machines in people's homes and offices are another big source of addresses, as are hacked webmail accounts.

    If you get IM-related spam to a tagged address given when purchasing a WSO, that may be the result of the merchant selling or trading their list. But the pharma spam and the like? Probably not. That's almost certainly the result of someone stealing addresses or an innocent party storing their list(s) on a compromised computer/account.


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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    haha this isnt a surprise, you will get spammed by some gurus who do unethically. Just unsubscribe its the only thing they care about after all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Reed7
    How good can a bonus really be if you cannot connect with the seller-who's apparently done a good job of selling? If you mark the acct as spam, how would you receive any bonuses anyway?

    OK, just unsubscribe, be done with it...
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