[Help] Someone is Reselling My PLR with Resale Right

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I started selling PLR on the Warrior Forum last month and, so far, it has been a decent experience. I do, however, have an issue.

In my PLR license, I state that they only thing you you cannot do is resell my articles as PLR or resell PLR websites that are made from these articles. I recently stumbled across someone that is not only selling plr websites from my content, he is also giving them master resell rights to my content.

This website does not have a contact page. I have tried contacting the webmaster through the email on file (whois dot com) with absolutely no response. I am at a loss on how to get this guy to stop selling resell rights to my content.

Any suggestions?
#plr #resale #reselling
  • Profile picture of the author Harold Lindsey
    That Sucks,

    Well the only thing you can do is attempt to use places like DomainTools.com and other places to try and find out who the person is, and what is the actual name and contact info their ISP.

    This sort of thing is extremely hard to stop.

    Another thing that you can do is, act as if you are a buyer, and go through the buying process. Meaning take it up to just before you are going to pay, and jot down who the payment processor is and what company is selling the products.... This is another way to sometimes get inside info....

    You can use say a gmail account and sign up to their list and see if you can get any additional info from the bottom of their emails. Also, sometimes when unsubscribe from a list it takes to a page that has additional information about the list owner, you can sometimes see what other stuff that they are selling, and you can kind of reverse engineer, going from site to site to get bits and peaces of information to finally get a working profile.

    Then if you are able to get some additional info... and if your really serious about the matter, and this guy is hurting your bottom line.Then you'll have to get a lawyer to send them a "cease and desist", letter.

    If they are in the states you have a chance. If they are over seas then forget about it.

    Good Luck Dustin.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick
    Report to the host and prove to them that the person is doing something which he shouldn't.

    Call them if they have a number..
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  • Profile picture of the author Dustin_M
    Thanks for the suggestions! I simply did not know what to do next.
    I think I will contact their hosting company first. If that does not work I will try signing up for their list....both of these are really good suggestions...

    Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author dudeontheweb
    If he/she is doing it via website, take screen shots of everything possible. Then you have proof when their site goes away mysteriously.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    That's a difficult one. I know I reported someone to their hosting company once for using my content, but the host did absolutely nothing!

    As suggested, if they have a list then sign up to that and you may be able to contact them that way. Or if you do a 'whois' check does it give you any contact details?
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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      That's a difficult one. I know I reported someone to their hosting company once for using my content, but the host did absolutely nothing!
      Hi

      That's why you need a lawyer. Without a legal document, no host or transaction processing company is under any legal obligation to take action against one of their paying customers.

      Once you have the CND letter, send a copy with your complaint to the service provider.

      That way if the offender ignores your CND, it could save you the cost of further legal action if he loses his hosting/processing. They may comply with the CND even if he doesn't.

      Mahlon
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  • Profile picture of the author CoffeeIceCream
    Ooooh, this is some great advice. I've never worried about that kind of thing but I think it's good to be prepared. Thanks so much for this thread...
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Are they using PayPal? If so, go through the order process, up until finalizing payment, get their PayPal address and then get ahold of PayPal to have their account terminated.

    Presumably, you have a contract and proof to show you are the product originator. If they bought from you using PayPal you can backtrack the date, time, and their purchaser information from your PayPal account.

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  • Profile picture of the author Reed7
    Document every detail. Contact Domain-plus Host, start dialog with both, they will have all the details, and a process on how to deal with the situation, it's not uncommon, unfortunately
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    Don't fight the wave, ride it

    Sell master resale rights to it now, submit it to all the membership
    sites that you can find.

    Include a pdf license, and in it a link back to your site.

    If people like your writing, they'll follow it.
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    • Profile picture of the author aaronngoh
      Your stuff must be good and someone trying to sell it.

      If you cannot or do not want to waste your effort catching them, sell your product with MRR and increase your price.

      This will stop any illegal use of your product and at the same time,make money money.

      I hope that made sense to you

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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Actually you do give full resale rights and master resell rights.

    You state in your Rights...

    [NO] Cannot sell Resale Rights, Master Resale Rights or Private Label Rights

    The double negative [NO] Cannot. Cancel each other out and mean yes.

    It can be argued that in certain languages and certain parts of the U.S. that the doubel negative actually strongly affirms the negative. However mostly in English it doesn't. And then...

    Your other two [NO] rights are followed by "CAN" which is correct and reinforces that the [NO] Can't means yes.

    A LOT of WSOs have these double negatives on their rights, giving full rights to buyers.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dustin_M
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Actually you do give full resale rights and master resell rights.

      You state in your Rights...

      [NO] Cannot sell Resale Rights, Master Resale Rights or Private Label Rights

      The double negative [NO] Cannot. Cancel each other out and mean yes.

      It can be argued that in certain languages and certain parts of the U.S. that the doubel negative actually strongly affirms the negative. However mostly in English it doesn't. And then...

      Your other two [NO] rights are followed by "CAN" which is correct and reinforces that the [NO] Can't means yes.

      A LOT of WSOs have these double negatives on their rights, giving full rights to buyers.

      George Wright
      hmmmm. You may be right about that George.....I hate making such an obvious mistake. I will have to correct that asap. Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Rob2009
        I think I would agree with George the wording is wrong. But they knew it was wrong to do what they did...So you either have the choice to chase them (very difficult) or like the others have said increase your price and sell with MRR.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Actually you do give full resale rights and master resell rights.

      You state in your Rights...

      [NO] Cannot sell Resale Rights, Master Resale Rights or Private Label Rights

      The double negative [NO] Cannot. Cancel each other out and mean yes.

      It can be argued that in certain languages and certain parts of the U.S. that the doubel negative actually strongly affirms the negative. However mostly in English it doesn't. And then...

      Your other two [NO] rights are followed by "CAN" which is correct and reinforces that the [NO] Can't means yes.

      A LOT of WSOs have these double negatives on their rights, giving full rights to buyers.

      George Wright

      Actually, I would disagree here completely and here is why:

      This is not a typical sentence structure and thus would not fall under the typical grammar rule of "double negative"

      "[NO] Cannot sell Resale Rights, Master Resale Rights or Private Label Rights"

      The [no] or [yes] symbolize bullet points and
      are not part of the sentence that follows after it.

      Also, since the following sentence starts with capitalization: "Cannot..." that also makes it pretty obvious that you are starting a new sentence there.

      So... the license is still obviously: "CANNOT SELL RESALE RIGHTS..."

      This is pretty common defense for those types that would seek to violate your copyright, however despite any "perceived" grammatical errors, the spirit of the copyright is pretty obvious that NO, YOU CANNOT SELL RESALE RIGHTS.

      I think you have every right to defend your copyright.

      As always, I am not a lawyer but would be willing to bet all my copyrights that this defense would not stand up in a court of law.


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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Actually you do give full resale rights and master resell rights.

      You state in your Rights...

      [NO] Cannot sell Resale Rights, Master Resale Rights or Private Label Rights

      The double negative [NO] Cannot. Cancel each other out and mean yes.

      It can be argued that in certain languages and certain parts of the U.S. that the doubel negative actually strongly affirms the negative. However mostly in English it doesn't. And then...

      Your other two [NO] rights are followed by "CAN" which is correct and reinforces that the [NO] Can't means yes.

      A LOT of WSOs have these double negatives on their rights, giving full rights to buyers.

      George Wright
      George - are you sure about that? Double negative in a normal sentence syntax structure is one thing - but the "no" in the box is set away from the normal syntax of the sentence - formating a "do and don't" list. Not sure the double negative plea could stand up to this one if presented as abnormal syntax (i.e. list structure). I'm just thinking of all the Gov literature that does the same thing. If they would take down a plea of theft on that basis, then there's a LOT of crap we can do that they are trying to tell us we can't --- and I might just start doing it and let them eat it.
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        George - are you sure about that? Double negative in a normal sentence syntax structure is one thing - but the "no" in the box is set away from the normal syntax of the sentence - formating a "do and don't" list. Not sure the double negative plea could stand up to this one if presented as abnormal syntax (i.e. list structure). I'm just thinking of all the Gov literature that does the same thing. If they would take down a plea of theft on that basis, then there's a LOT of crap we can do that they are trying to tell us we can't --- and I might just start doing it and let them eat it.
        Yes I'm sure. Because his other two points are [NO] can and [NO] can with the [NO] cannot in the middle. Either One is wrong or two are wrong. You cannot not have it both ways. See I just said Yes you can and that's not what I meant.

        Anyway this point has been argued before and I'm not saying what he "meant" I'm saying what it means.

        Unless of course he is Louis Carroll in which case "Every word he chooses means exactly what he chooses it to mean."

        Not trying to be a Wombat here, I'm just saying what the argument would be RE: The Double Negative.

        Also, I'm fully aware that the OP meant You cannot do this, however, these are the things the crooks and thieves will argue to death so why not just say you can or cannot and save them the opportunity. Just sayin, [Not] not insisting. And I'm just trying to help the OP be clear on his rights. I really don't have a dog in the fight.

        I cannot not be wrong, or not.

        While the above is a little tounge n cheek this question is serious, And I'll stand corrected as some in thes thread are doing. I'm not always Wright, yes I am. Seriously so are we to believe that....

        [NO] Cannot sell Resale Rights, Master Resale Rights or Private Label Rights

        and

        [NO] Can sell Resale Rights, Master Resale Rights or Private Label Rights

        Should mean exactly the same thing? If so, as I said I stand corrected.

        George Wright
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  • Profile picture of the author wgempire
    yep If i was a buyer I would think I cannot sell the resell rights but I can give them to anyone who purchases the product.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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    Originally Posted by Dustin_M View Post

    I started selling PLR on the Warrior Forum last month and, so far, it has been a decent experience. I do, however, have an issue.

    In my PLR license, I state that they only thing you you cannot do is resell my articles as PLR or resell PLR websites that are made from these articles. I recently stumbled across someone that is not only selling plr websites from my content, he is also giving them master resell rights to my content.

    This website does not have a contact page. I have tried contacting the webmaster through the email on file (whois dot com) with absolutely no response. I am at a loss on how to get this guy to stop selling resell rights to my content.

    Any suggestions?
    Usually, if you send a DMCA to their hosting company the host will shut down their website. The DMCA is basically a notice telling the host that their client is violating your copyright and both the host and the client are now liable to be sued in court.

    Here is more about that:
    Contacting the Host to Report Copyright Infringement

    The next step after that would be an official "cease and desist" letter from your attorney, which is basically the last warning before you file a lawsuit.

    Hope this helps. As always, consult a lawyer since I am not one hehe
    Cheers
    Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    [NO] Can sell Resale Rights, Master Resale Rights or Private Label Rights

    The majority of PLR sites have the Dos and Don'ts in this format.

    I was confused when I first read it.

    It would be clear if you said:

    You CANNOT sell resale rights.
    You CANNOT sell master resale rights
    You CANNOT sell private label rights.



    I was always under the impression, however, that the [NO] you cannot..... meant that you cannot do whatever right is mentioned.
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    You have a problem now that this has been raised here in public.

    Had you just issued a C&D notice, the chances are that his website would have been taken down and you would have won as he wouldn't have thought to claim that he had the right to resell.

    Now that the possibility that your copy was misleading has been raised, the chances are that he will have read this thread. If you now issue a C&D notice he will claim that he believed that your copy gave him the right to sell the PLR.

    I think this time your best course of action is to let it go and, as you said, correct the mistake and move on.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Everyone is making the assumption that it was a legal purchase in the first place, as you dont know who it is selling it, it could very well have been downloaded via a torrent or some pirate site ... which is an entirely different spin on it. One that hosts do act upon quickly now a days
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Do a whois buddy and contact admin and also their host

    Explain your situation and see if they can help you. They should be able to.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dustin_M
    I have read everyone of these comments, and I must say, that I truly appreciate the thoughtful, and constructive, ideas. While I tend to agree Jason, I also appreciate George's perspective as well.

    In the future, I will follow Lori's advice and have my license specifically indicate what is, and is not, allowed.... (ie You CANNOT sell resell rights....You CAN put your name as author, etc).
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  • Profile picture of the author AmyCate
    I agree with you George. The whole point of the [NO] is to tell you that the sentence that follows it does not apply to the purchaser. Since the sentence said "cannot sell resale rights...", the [NO] indicates that this condition does not apply to the purchaser of the product. Therefore, you CAN sell resale rights, etc. I know the OP didn't mean it that way, but that's how I would read it.
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