Opting In - Are Warriors Too Sensitive?

It stops being funny after a few instances of getting into
the "un-subscribable" ezine loop, or having your details
sold or rented to even more unscrupulous spammers as
"hot leads" (the kind that just BOUGHT something!!!) -
who then turn your inbox into a deluge of diverse nonsense.

And when it happens a few times, one does tend to get
a wee bit "sensitive"

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Dr.Mani

I personally think that if the merchant wanted to put an opt in form on his download page, he should at least put one more link at the bottom of the page where the customers can still download the product without opting in.

For me personally, I am fine with the idea of opting in to get access to the product. But I do not use my main email address to do that.

Zack

I don't force people to opt in after purchase. I just put them on my list automatically when they do

There's a difference in those two examples. In the case of a freebie, the prospects "pays" for the product with an email address. In the case of a product, the customer pays for the product with cash.

So far so good.

Problem is, when the cash-paying customer gets to the download page, he feels like he has to "pay" again by entering his email address. No problem if it's just an option. But the problem arises if he's forced to do it. At this point he just wants the product he's paid for, and now there's this roadblock in his way.

Imagine buying a gallon of milk at the local convenience store. You pay your $4. But before the clerk allows you to take your milk home with you, he tells you that you need to first fill out a form with your name and email address. And you CANNOT refuse... because if you do, the clerk won't give you the milk that you already paid for.

That's what irks some buyers -- the forcible stuff. The buyer feels like the seller is "holding the product hostage" until the customer fills in that form.

And as mentioned, forcible opt-ins which are not made clear on the sales page are against PP's terms.

Becky

I don't mind the optin but after a while you do get tired of having emails thrown at you every other day.. and then when a product launches you get about 50 emails within 48 hours all promoting the same product.

I understand their reason for doing it, after all you by most email marketing courses and they all tell you to communicate with your list often, so that's what people do.

now, depending on what sort of emails I get and how often they are sent, I tend to unsubscribe just as fast. I just don't need 20 emails all about the same product.

If I've paid for a product and you make me opt in to get it, you're going to piss me off. I don't want to opt in to get the product and I don't care if list building is your business or your goal. My goal is to get the product that I just paid for.

And certainly, I will unsubscribe as soon as it is downloaded. If you want me to opt in to your list, I want a better reason than I just bought a product. I'm only on a very few lists and I like it that way.

The 2 things I hate tbh are the forced opt in after buying a product. Sure give me a reason to join your list but don't force me as I'll just unsubscribe and make a note not to buy your stuff. I also think it's wrong that wsopro automatically adds my paypal addy to the sellers list. But as I stated before all that happens is that when my VA see's stuff other than paypal related in that email box (I only use my paypal addy for paypal receipts and payments) he'll unsubscribe me and trash the email.

Rich

Many vendors who do this actually do it for one simple reason:

They want to follow up with their current customers with other products. While it may piss off many people, this is a great way to make more sales for the vendor.

If you do buy a product and then have to opt in, just do it and then take yourself off the list as soon as you get the link to download your product.

Now, if the vendor has no opt out form in the email, that's a totally different story that will make me mad too.

Considering I don't opt into lists period, I'd be very annoyed if I was forced to after purchasing a product. You could be sure I'd never do that again.

Here's the way to do it: first, provide the download link right after payment is made.

Below that, put an optin box, and give your valued customer who just paid to buy your stuff a good reason to optin.

They just paid for your stuff, can't you think of a way to have them optin?

How about an unadvertised bonus (instead of an upsell)?