Another Paypal Alternative - Amazon Payments

by sbucciarel Banned
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Recently there was a big discussion about Paypal alternatives, due to Paypal problems with limited accounts, etc.

It is always a good idea to have a backup plan in place. In 4 pages of that discussion, I didn't see one person recommend Amazon Payments. Is anyone not using it?



I just signed up and already, after a whole 5 minute process, have a verified business account. I've had accounts with Amazon for so long, they already have all the information they needed to verify me and open the account.

All I had to do extra was add my bank account for withdrawals.

As you can see from the screenshot, I chose Simple Pay acct since that's the one that deals with digital goods, but they have two options, depending on your needs.

Is anyone else using Amazon Payments?
payments.amazon.com
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonGiorgini
    Wow!!

    I didn't even know Amazon had such a service. Did you have to talk to anyone over the phone? Or was the entire process, done solely over the internet?
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    • Profile picture of the author Anthony Lex
      Hi sbucciarel

      I had no idea that Amazon provided this service, it would be great to hear from anyone that is currently using it as an alternative to PayPal. Especially from people using over a long period of time as if the service has similar problems to PayPal, then the search for the Holy Grail of a decent online payment processor will continue.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Rich*******s View Post

      Wow!!

      I didn't even know Amazon had such a service. Did you have to talk to anyone over the phone? Or was the entire process, done solely over the internet?
      No ... it literally took 5 minutes before I had a verified business account. Pretty exciting. I mean .. who doesn't have an Amazon account? Customers would easily pay via Amazon.
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      • Profile picture of the author Psst
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        No ... it literally took 5 minutes before I had a verified business account. Pretty exciting. I mean .. who doesn't have an Amazon account? Customers would easily pay via Amazon.
        This's a golden opportunity to get many more sells IMO. I expect we'll have a higher conversion rate with Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
    Looks like a Great alternative although it only for US UK and Germany right now by the looks of it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    I looked into using them. Very interested, but I'm scared that not many buyers are going to want to use Amazon to pay for digital goods (especially IM related stuff). It could work great in other, more mainstream niches.

    Would greatly appreciate it if you could post a follow-up after a month or so if you intend to actively use Amazon Payments.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Rich*******s View Post

      Wow!!

      I didn't even know Amazon had such a service. Did you have to talk to anyone over the phone? Or was the entire process, done solely over the internet?
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      I looked into using them. Very interested, but I'm scared that not many buyers are going to want to use Amazon to pay for digital goods (especially IM related stuff). It could work great in other, more mainstream niches.

      Would greatly appreciate it if you could post a follow-up after a month or so if you intend to actively use Amazon Payments.
      Amazon is such a trusted name, I can't imagine people not using it if they want the product. Just my hunch, but definitely worth a go as an alternative/back-up plan.
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      • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
        Thanks, I've known about Amazon Payments for a while, mainly because some of their payment methods have been integrated into AWS for a few years, but until recently I never really thought of it as a PayPal alternative.

        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Amazon is such a trusted name, I can't imagine people not using it
        Excellent point. Of course, PayPal is eBay and a lot of people trust them for online shopping, but most of those same people also trust Amazon and have accounts there (whether it's an affiliate account, AWS account, or just a regular "buyer" account). Whether or not it affects conversions is obviously something that needs to be tested, but in a lot of niches I could definitely see it being a realistic alternative to PayPal.
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  • Profile picture of the author DominiquePrentiss
    I shop on Amazon all the time and had no idea they offered this service. In my opinion Amazon is reliable and trustworthy so signing up is a no brainer.

    I'm going to sign up right now because as the old saying goes...you should never put all your eggs in one basket.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sumdor
    Good move...but the geographical limitations is a BIG turnoff. I wish it goes 'INTERNATIONAL' soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Sumdor View Post

      Good move...but the geographical limitations is a BIG turnoff. I wish it goes 'INTERNATIONAL' soon.
      Well, I signed up and was accepted by 2CO also. I plan on offering both payment options on my website ... and you can pay via Paypal through 2CO, so all the bases are covered this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Crystal_Jobs
    WOw.

    I am just hearing about tham. How come it's restricted to US, UK and Germany?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Crystal_Jobs View Post

      WOw.

      I am just hearing about tham. How come it's restricted to US, UK and Germany?

      Not sure that it is. Here's part of the TOS and it says at the end .. all of their network sites.


      1.2 Creating Accounts. Your Payments Account is linked to your Amazon Account. To create a new Payment Account, you must either (a) register using your existing Amazon Account, or (b) complete the registration process for new users by entering all of the required information. If you register using your Amazon Account, the information in your Amazon Account will be used to complete the registration information for your Payment Account. You may be required to provide additional information based on your account type or service that you want to use with your account. If you do not have an existing Amazon Account at the time you register with the Service, a new Amazon Account will be automatically and concurrently established in your name with the same e-mail address and password you provide to us. For purposes of this Agreement, an "Amazon Account" is any customer account that you have established with a website owned or controlled by Amazon.com, Inc., or any Affiliate, or operated by Amazon.com, Inc., or its Affiliates on behalf of third parties
      (the "Amazon Network Sites"), including without limitation those websites currently located at www.amazon.com, www.amazon.co.uk, www.amazon.de, www.amazon.fr, www.amazon.ca, www.amazon.co.jp, www.amazon.cn and any successor or replacement websites.


      And looking over the TOS, anyone with an Amazon account can make a payment through it. An Amazon Payment acct is automatically made for them when they click the buy button, based on the information that they provided when they signed up.
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      • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        [B]And looking over the TOS, anyone with an Amazon account can make a payment through it. An Amazon Payment acct is automatically made for them when they click the buy button, based on the information that they provided when they signed up.
        Anyone can pay but only sellers from the countries listed above can use it to receive payments...
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

          Anyone can pay but only sellers from the countries listed above can use it to receive payments...
          Yes, unfortunate that not everyone can use it but still, there's quite a few countries that can and like you said ... anyone with an Amazon acct can pay through it.

          People are so addicted to Paypal, and it's working out badly for quite a few people to be so reliant on just one processor.

          Break the addiction and start testing alternatives out. Doesn't mean you have to give Paypal the boot. I still have an account in good standing. I just don't want it to be the only way I can accept money for products.
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        • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
          Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

          Anyone can pay but only sellers from the countries listed above can use it to receive payments...
          Honestly, this really bugs me. The world is NOT the US. And Canada is not some backwater 3rd rate country. I have an alternative to PP in AlertPay but this would be nice as well. Frustrating to say the least.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

            Honestly, this really bugs me. The world is NOT the US. And Canada is not some backwater 3rd rate country. I have an alternative to PP in AlertPay but this would be nice as well. Frustrating to say the least.
            It isn't available just in the US:

            (the "Amazon Network Sites"), including without limitation those websites currently located at www.amazon.com, www.amazon.co.uk, www.amazon.de, www.amazon.fr, www.amazon.ca, www.amazon.co.jp, www.amazon.cn and any successor or replacement websites.
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          • Profile picture of the author PatrickP
            Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

            Honestly, this really bugs me. The world is NOT the US. And Canada is not some backwater 3rd rate country. I have an alternative to PP in AlertPay but this would be nice as well. Frustrating to say the least.
            Agree 100%!

            Everyone knows Canada is the USA's hat and Mexico is USA's shoes. :p

            No but seriously you really should move to a real country.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

    Recently there was a big discussion about Paypal alternatives, due to Paypal problems with limited accounts, etc.

    It is always a good idea to have a backup plan in place. In 4 pages of that discussion, I didn't see one person recommend Amazon Payments. Is anyone not using it?



    I just signed up and already, after a whole 5 minute process, have a verified business account. I've had accounts with Amazon for so long, they already have all the information they needed to verify me and open the account.

    All I had to do extra was add my bank account for withdrawals.

    As you can see from the screenshot, I chose Simple Pay acct since that's the one that deals with digital goods, but they have two options, depending on your needs.

    Is anyone else using Amazon Payments?
    payments.amazon.com
    Awesome post!

    Thank you very much!

    I must admit I am looking at Amazon more and more - when I swapped to them for my video hosting it really opened my eyes with how MUCH they actually offer.

    Google is going for World domination but if there is a capital city it has to be Amazon

    Invaluable posts because it is always good to have a back up.

    All the best,

    Chris Jones
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

      Awesome post!

      Thank you very much!

      I must admit I am looking at Amazon more and more - when I swapped to them for my video hosting it really opened my eyes with how MUCH they actually offer.

      Chris Jones
      Yeah ... I had a lot of videos to host and didn't know where I could do that without big bandwidth charges, etc.

      Amazon S3 provided the solution for that problem too. Literally, I get charged a little over $2/mnth for a ton of videos.
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  • Profile picture of the author RussRuffino
    Hey Suzanne,

    Thanks for bringing this up. I just started a thread asking if anyone used this a couple ago, and I only heard crickets! Is ANYONE using this? Can anyone give some feedback?

    Russ
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  • Profile picture of the author RayWhittaker
    I didn't know about this either. It looks like Amazon haven't been shouting about it. Surprising really!
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    • Profile picture of the author azmanar
      Originally Posted by RayWhittaker View Post

      I didn't know about this either. It looks like Amazon haven't been shouting about it. Surprising really!
      It will shout once they roll out to more countries that can receive payments.
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  • Profile picture of the author Edwin101
    paypal is always the best for me though
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Jackson Jr
    <off-topic> Suzanne, trying to get in touch with you re: doing business with you. But since I'm not 50-posts deep, can't send you a P.M. Pls get in touch - robert@deeprivermedia.net. </off-topic>

    I find that people are more apt to use PayPal because, at this point in time, people trust it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Robert Jackson Jr View Post

      I find that people are more apt to use PayPal because, at this point in time, people trust it.
      But I think most people trust Amazon as much. Doesn't sound like Amazon promoted this much and not many people know about it or have given it a whirl. It would be nice if it served more countries, but certainly an alternative for the countries it does serve.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    Hmm I've just tried to sign up and its telling me that I can only sign up to sell digital goods, looks like its not available for digital in the UK

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      Hmm I've just tried to sign up and its telling me that I can only sign up to sell digital goods, looks like its not available for digital in the UK

      Kim
      Did you sign up for the Simple Pay? They list amazon.uk as being in the program. Simple Pay is for the digital goods.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hamida Harland
      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      Hmm I've just tried to sign up and its telling me that I can only sign up to sell digital goods, looks like its not available for digital in the UK

      Kim
      You're right, it doesn't seem to be. I just had a look around and we only seem to have 'Checkout by Amazon', but not Simple Pay. It gives a list of the supported categories and digital isn't included
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  • Profile picture of the author danclarkie
    Good, Paypal is too big and the other competitors have way too little market share!!
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  • Profile picture of the author abulalionline
    thank you for this. i will look at this because amazon is popular. i am afraid of paypal too much. i dont like as paypal can limit accounts if accounts receive too much money. but many people like to use paypal to buy online.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Right but it doesn't look like I can accept payments yet. That's what I meant. Sometimes I'm almost thinking to move down south just to get some of the stuff we apparently have to wait for up here.
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    • Profile picture of the author batchos
      Are you kidding, like what?

      Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

      Right but it doesn't look like I can accept payments yet. That's what I meant. Sometimes I'm almost thinking to move down south just to get some of the stuff we apparently have to wait for up here.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    I just signed up, thanks for the tip!

    I'm releasing new software next week, I will add this as a payment option, as an experiment.
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  • Profile picture of the author VeronicaD
    Wow, that's awesome! I never knew that they had something like this and I use them a lot for lots of different things. Big kudos to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lauryn
    Thanks for this! This is totally awesome. I already publish in Amazon but now I can create another digital product and experiment with these payments too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    This is good to hear. Amazon has name recognition second to none. I'm adding this to my payment processors, the more the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author PatrickP
    OP should be nominated for poster of the year for this thread.

    FANTASTIC!
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I have been using it for years to pay for services purchased on Mturk.com

    But I never stopped to realize that I could use it to let people pay me outside of Paypal, to be honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author antigravity
    Thank you for this.... I also did not know about this Amazon payment option... signing up for this right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author topgold
    Love this post, "Thanked" you also. I'll use this for my online and consulting businesses.
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    • Profile picture of the author Pat407
      I wanted to sell on amazon but they won't allow me to use my merchant account, only their own payment solution and that is something I am not comfortable with. Kind of how ebay and paypal are one big monopoly. I no longer sell on ebay with paypal instead I use my merchant account that I got through merchantinc. That has made selling so much easier and no waiting for my money. So when I lookes in to Amazon I couldn't quite figure it out so I emailed them and was told that I can't use my merchant account so then Amazon is out for me. I mean common, give us some options.
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  • Profile picture of the author zapseo
    What kind of fees do they charge?
    Many banks are getting into the electronic payments business ... I know Bank of America is, and I have paid a couple of folks using Chase's "QuickPay" -- (and no fees were taken out. Nice, considering PayPal has upped their fees on the mass pay.)

    Live JoyFully!

    Judy

    PS There is also Google Checkout.
    PPS Amazon gets listed on the stock exchange as being in the retail sector. That's bogus. They really should be re-classified as a tech company. In fact, it was Henry Blodget's predication that AMZN would hit $400 that set off the dot com boom in the stock market.... (I was daytrading back then .. watched it all unfold.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
      Hi Judy, hope things are going well. I found info about fees. How does that compare with what you might have been using?

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      There are no start-up charges, monthly charges, hidden fees, or long-term contracts. Fees are assessed on a per-transaction basis and vary depending on the transaction amount. They are based on a percentage of the transaction amount plus a per transaction fee.

      Volume discounts on processing fees are provided as shown below.
      Three month average % of Transaction Per transaction fee
      $100,000 and up 1.90% $0.30
      $10,000 - $100,000 2.20% $0.30
      $3,000 - $10,000 2.50% $0.30
      < $3,000 2.90% $0.30
      For transactions less than $10 5.0% + $0.05 for all transactions

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      Originally Posted by zapseo View Post

      What kind of fees do they charge?
      Many banks are getting into the electronic payments business ... I know Bank of America is, and I have paid a couple of folks using Chase's "QuickPay" -- (and no fees were taken out. Nice, considering PayPal has upped their fees on the mass pay.)

      Live JoyFully!

      Judy
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  • Profile picture of the author Super Warrior
    Thanks for sharing! I really didn't know about it.
    Although its restricted to US, UK & Germany only,
    but it would be a great help to a lot of warriors over this forum.

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    • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
      Originally Posted by Super Warrior View Post

      Thanks for sharing! I really didn't know about it.
      Although its restricted to US, UK & Germany only,
      but it would be a great help to a lot of warriors over this forum.

      Thanks
      Regards
      You've pointed out the exact reason why YOU CANNOT compete with PayPal.. they have global market share... and even more then that, they HAVE TRUST.

      There are a lot of people (me included) who've had their cc's cancelled, and been told their card number was stolen (Or even literally lost money from a CC theft...) online. A lot of people ARE WARY of what services they use, and so are only comfortable with PayPal.

      moreover, any service that doesn't support a vast multittude of countries... (I personally think Amazon payments is a joke, because why would you support UK and germany but not Canada? Just doesn't make sense.. they already have infrastructure here).

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  • Profile picture of the author mindfulness
    Wow! Thanks for sharing, I really didn't know if Amazon have payment service
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  • Profile picture of the author therichb
    Amazon offers this quick pay method to get money direct in your bank, but you need a credit card to verify payments coming to your bank !!!

    Also, it takes 8-9 days to clear the payments & get it processed from your Amazon a/c to your own a/c, which is actually not a big deal for sellers today
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  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Root
    We have been evaluating different payment processors for the past few months for IMSaurus. The sad reality is that if your company is located outside US, you don't have much choice. There's only few services that offer complete solution like PayPal. There's pretty much only Payza, Merchee and 2Checkout. There's a lot of services that offer services that you can use to bill your customer but you have to get payment gateway separately and that's usually expensive. 2Checkout has a great list for anybody who's interested.

    BTW WARNING ABOUT PAYZA
    Payza has this weird chargeback rule - Your account goes to limited status if there's even one chargeback. When you deal with a lot of customers, there's always the one who doesn't feel like contacting you about refund and rather calls the bank... This risk might be acceptable for some merchants but when you have to pay affiliates and members their share every month from the membership fees like we do at IMSaurus, you really, really can't accept the risk that suddenly your account is limited.
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  • Profile picture of the author rsmllc
    I'm going to give a try to Amazon payments.
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  • Profile picture of the author roomi12344
    Thanks sbucciarel for this, there is lot of resentment about paypal. Its good to have an alternative Plus amazon might be new as competitor to pay pal but people trust them.

    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

    Recently there was a big discussion about Paypal alternatives, due to Paypal problems with limited accounts, etc.

    It is always a good idea to have a backup plan in place. In 4 pages of that discussion, I didn't see one person recommend Amazon Payments. Is anyone not using it?



    I just signed up and already, after a whole 5 minute process, have a verified business account. I've had accounts with Amazon for so long, they already have all the information they needed to verify me and open the account.

    All I had to do extra was add my bank account for withdrawals.

    As you can see from the screenshot, I chose Simple Pay acct since that's the one that deals with digital goods, but they have two options, depending on your needs.

    Is anyone else using Amazon Payments?
    payments.amazon.com
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  • Profile picture of the author Deji
    Thanks for the information Sbucciarel. Although I've known about Amazon Payments for a while now, I never thought about using it to accept payments. So is the service only for accepting payments on Amazon? Or can you use it to accept payments, for example, for your WSO? Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author BeechHill
      I'm definitely going to be checking into this more with Amazon. One of the problems as a web site developer though using a lot of third party applications is that there isn't many of them, yet, adopting the Amazon payment integration.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Deji View Post

      Thanks for the information Sbucciarel. Although I've known about Amazon Payments for a while now, I never thought about using it to accept payments. So is the service only for accepting payments on Amazon? Or can you use it to accept payments, for example, for your WSO? Thanks.
      I haven't tried it for my WSOs. I know it's good for website payments, so probably can use it on a WSO as well, as long as Amazon is cool with that. It was an easy sign-up, but I haven't implemented it yet, as I don't really have any problems with Paypal thus far. I've kind of got it on the back burner as a backup option.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingMinded
    I first heard of Amazon Payment from Chris Brogan. Never used it but I hear it's a great alternative to PayPal.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Thanks for the heads up!

    I didn't know they were offering this service, but its nice to have it in mind as a backup to good ol' PP.
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    Yeah. Having a plan B is good for sure.
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