Is The Warrior Forum Too Cheap?

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I was reading an interesting comment in the WSO forum about someone almost not buying an expensive offer because of the price

- Even though they knew it would be worth a lot more than that. (And their review said it was)

- Even through there was a guarantee

There was another recent thread about WarriorPlus decreasing WSO prices and a comment that they had seen complaints about $17 WSOs being too expensive.

Another recent thread noted sellers get better pricing outside of the forum.

Why?

Certainly some, like me, use the forum for testing. But there are an incredible number of WSOs not sold beyond the forum.

A friend gave me a stock analysis report he sells for $30,000. This is for a very, very specific niche and contains information you will not find online.

There are Warriors here who would take that report and sell it as $7 PLR. Or break it up and use it for WordPress posts hoping to make money from ten cent Adsense clicks.

Why are many on the forum racing to the bottom for pricing?

When you look around the Internet and companies are buying, for example, how to do SEO reports, they are not $10.

While one could argue the reports here are just as good (presuming one knows what is in more expensive reports), why sell them for ten bucks?

I thought this forum was about making money. Real money. Not pennies.


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  • Profile picture of the author ShayB
    Well, my biz model isn't one most people use, but I'll speak from my point of view.

    Even my normal prices are low. (The prices on my sites.) My WSO prices are even lower.

    That is by design.

    What I lose in higher prices, I make up in volume.

    Look at soda machines. Charging a dollar for a drink doesn't sound smart, does it? But it's a low price, and it's filling a need, and people don't think twice about paying a dollar.

    Now, I also deal with Hotsheets - short reports - and not huge packages. That makes a difference, perhaps.

    But it's a biz model that can be - and is - very profitable.

    JMHO and YMMV
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    • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
      Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

      Well, my biz model isn't one most people use, but I'll speak from my point of view.

      Even my normal prices are low. (The prices on my sites.) My WSO prices are even lower.

      That is by design.

      What I lose in higher prices, I make up in volume.

      Look at soda machines. Charging a dollar for a drink doesn't sound smart, does it? But it's a low price, and it's filling a need, and people don't think twice about paying a dollar.

      Now, I also deal with Hotsheets - short reports - and not huge packages. That makes a difference, perhaps.

      But it's a biz model that can be - and is - very profitable.

      JMHO and YMMV
      Hats off to you for doing what works! And, yes it works... but my immediate thought was:

      "Well, what's the value of a soda?"

      Low price, low perceived value, even if it's good... period.

      You might convince them otherwise when they buy... but then again... people expect to keep buying the way they bought before.

      Why not build bigger "add on" packages... higher dollar, more valuable (in both reality and perception) for your upsell/backend?

      Just curious,

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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post


        Why not build bigger "add on" packages... higher dollar, more valuable (in both reality and perception) for your upsell/backend?

        Just curious,

        Marc
        You have very valid points.

        Might I do that in the future? Perhaps. I've had it suggested to me before.

        Right now, I'm not messing with what's working well for me. (If it ain't broke...)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    I agree entirely Brian, its frustrating sometimes that folks sell their (really decent) stuff for pennies on the dollar. It devalues for everyone else as well.

    Started a few years ago and it's gotten worse

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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    As you know, the WSO forum didn't start out the way it is now.

    It was for true Special Offers to Warriors on products that were already being sold around the Internet.

    I remember $97 software products being offered to Warriors only at a special price of $37 and people were glad to be able to purchase at that discount.

    Now, cheap products are being slapped together just to be a WSO.

    It has turned into the Dollar Store and you're right, if anything goes above $10 people start complaining.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Matt Maiden View Post

      As you know, the WSO forum didn't start out the way it is now.

      It was for true Special Offers to Warriors on products that were already being sold around the Internet.

      I remember $97 software products being offered to Warriors only at a special price of $37 and people were glad to be able to purchase at that discount.

      Now, cheap products are being slapped together just to be a WSO.

      It has turned into the Dollar Store and you're right, if anything goes above $10 people start complaining.
      I think you're entirely right and that the WSO section is now looked at as its own type of business instead of a place where special discounts are offered for existing products. I mean, there are WSO's that teach you how to sell WSO's for Pete's Sake. It's ridiculous. The WSO section quickly became a giant bidding war, and now the prices have hit rock bottom and members of the forum are used to getting such great information for $7 a pop. It's a complete mindset shift.

      It would be great if there was some way to clean this all up...to bring it back to when WSO's were Warrior Special Offers; but that would be an extensive task and would require another mindset shift for both existing and incoming members. It's one of those giant problems that need to be fixed...but going about it would prove difficult and require methods not exactly easy to implement. It's why I'm not jealous of this forum's leadership at all. It's almost like running a small country lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
        Originally Posted by Joe128139 View Post

        It's one of those giant problems that need to be fixed...
        I'm sure that Allen doesn't see it as a problem and I wouldn't either if I owned the joint

        It has created a different type of Warrior though, back to Kindsvater's point.
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        • Profile picture of the author rts2271
          You know the fact that there is free and paid mixing it up has kept me from becoming a paid member. If I pay a subscription fee to a community I want to know the people I am mixing it up with have the same barrier of entry. However the draconian delete and ban issues would keep me from ever paying as well. WF has to much competition in this arena to go to a pure pay model with its current structure.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by Matt Maiden View Post

          I'm sure that Allen doesn't see it as a problem and I wouldn't either if I owned the joint

          It has created a different type of Warrior though, back to Kindsvater's point.
          That's true, and no I can't blame Allen at all for his viewpoint on the subject. Its his forum that he runs for whatever reasons he chooses. Still, I personally would like to see a change. Of course, I'd like a billion dollars, and the Red Sox/Patriots to win it all every year. You can't always get what you want.
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          • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
            Originally Posted by Joe128139 View Post

            Of course, I'd like a billion dollars, and the Red Sox/Patriots to win it all every year. You can't always get what you want.
            You're too young to know what it was like to be a suffering Red Sox fan. I too wished for a World Series win every year, but once it came, I felt like I lost my identity.

            I still shed a tear when I think back to 1986.
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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              Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

              You're too young to know what it was like to be a suffering Red Sox fan. I too wished for a World Series win every year, but once it came, I felt like I lost my identity.

              I still shed a tear when I think back to 1986.
              I've been ridiculously spoiled so far as a sports fan , I hope I never have to go through what Boston fans before me had to.
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              • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
                Originally Posted by Joe128139 View Post

                I've been ridiculously spoiled so far as a sports fan , I hope I never have to go through what Boston fans before me had to.
                I feel so old.
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            • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
              Brian:

              The issue for me as a seller is simple.

              What you run into is a yard sale mentality. Flea market thinking.
              People look in the wso section to get products for cheap. if it is expensive it is a whine fest.why? -because that is what they have been conditioned to expect in the wso section.

              Now you also have sellers creating products just to put on the forum which is really stupid because they are not running a viable business that way.

              Now there is nothing wrong with making an offer to people for a lower price. Especially if your main purpose is to get testimonials and attract affiliates. I see a lot of folks who just create products and then -sell a product on how to sell to warriors in the wso section. LOL

              For me if I want to put a wso out I know ahead of time I will not be able to charge what it is worth. Or, I can and get a lot less volume.

              Some say the volume evens out. Not so if my product sells for 67 and I sell it for 17-no matter how many sales that is revenue down the drain.
              However. You build your buyers list and that can/is the icing on the cake. revnue can be made up and relationship gets built which as you know in this business is worth more than it's weight.

              cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Ben
    You bring up some good points here, but at the same time this is a forum where people can get great advice for free. Because of all the free advice (not all good, btw!) folks don't want to pay for something when they aren't sure how it is going to work out.

    I mentioned this in another post, but my experience has been that most IM products are sold by selling the dream of becoming super rich and all that goes with that. When a buyer thinks they've found that "magic bullet" that only requires watch a couple videos and reading a PDF, they are usually disappointed in the product. Some people will go as far as to call it a scam product, but the reality is that most people don't get the results they were expecting and they are upset by it. This doesn't mean it is the products fault-- usually it comes from a lack of taking action and doing anything with it. Yes, there are poor products out there, but that is what is so great about WSO's-- you can read reviews right on the spot!

    -Ben
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    Why are many on the forum racing to the bottom for pricing?
    Because they are not looking to build a relationship. They are simply trying to beat the rest to provide the "best" product at the lowest price, to get more reviews, which in turn brings in more sales.

    I had one guy PM me just a few weeks ago and ask, "why build a relationship when I can make $xxxx in the WSO forum per month?"

    I didn't reply, simply shook my head and went about my business. It's mind-boggling really--to think that those relationships can't be built in the name of making a quick buck today.

    I wonder how much long-term money is being sacrificed in the name of making a quick buck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    I think the guys that have the dime sales for $1.97 or 4.95 is a little ridiculous but it seems they are just trying to build a list of customers. That is fine but it does - I think - bring down the general value of most all WSOs. $17 is still a little low .. $27 seems like a fair price.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
      A fair price is subjective. You can refuse to be a commodity. Therefore, starting to charge price way higher than the rest of WSO sellers make sense because you will be seen differently from the rest of the pack. $97 dollars and above sound about right.

      Originally Posted by Steven Miranda View Post

      I think the guys that have the dime sales for $1.97 or 4.95 is a little ridiculous but it seems they are just trying to build a list of customers. That is fine but it does - I think - bring down the general value of most all WSOs. $17 is still a little low .. $27 seems like a fair price.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacob Cuculiza
    So true! Many people get a much better price outside the forum..
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  • Profile picture of the author pbdollars
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    I was reading an interesting comment in the WSO forum about someone almost not buying an expensive offer because of the price

    - Even though they knew it would be worth a lot more than that. (And their review said it was)

    - Even through there was a guarantee

    There was another recent thread about WarriorPlus decreasing WSO prices and a comment that they had seen complaints about $17 WSOs being too expensive.

    Another recent thread noted sellers get better pricing outside of the forum.

    Why?

    Certainly some, like me, use the forum for testing. But there are an incredible number of WSOs not sold beyond the forum.

    A friend gave me a stock analysis report he sells for $30,000. This is for a very, very specific niche and contains information you will not find online.

    There are Warriors here who would take that report and sell it as $7 PLR. Or break it up and use it for WordPress posts hoping to make money from ten cent Adsense clicks.

    Why are many on the forum racing to the bottom for pricing?

    When you look around the Internet and companies are buying, for example, how to do SEO reports, they are not $10.

    While one could argue the reports here are just as good (presuming one knows what is in more expensive reports), why sell them for ten bucks?

    I thought this forum was about making money. Real money. Not pennies.


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    In warrior forum, cheap does not means it is bad. It can be bad also but forgivable based on the cost. But I have also seen people selling ridiculously bad products at higher price. I have see offers in WSO for the day seems to be good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    Is The Warrior Forum Too Cheap?
    Yes.

    It is.

    This is all I have to say on the subject ... "for now".
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    ... But on the other side are guys using 7$ WSO's to drive laser traffic to their major products/coaching/software they sell for 97$, 297$, and even 5K.

    It's all an adaptation I guess.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      I believe most of the WSO sellers pricing their products cheap is so they can build a buyers list to promote other more expensive offers (there own or others) or they have their own up-sells, etc.


      I do agree that we're cheap though when it comes to info products. Software, themes, plugins, etc. you can get away charging more but for information cheap prices seem to be what's expected.
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  • Profile picture of the author murtuza
    They do this because of the volume. They get loads of visitors rushing to their dirt cheap offer in a matter of days making them few thousand bucks. For most of them it is a good trade...
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by murtuza View Post

      They do this because of the volume. They get loads of visitors rushing to their dirt cheap offer in a matter of days making them few thousand bucks. For most of them it is a good trade...
      It appears the chances of just breaking even with your $40 is substantial.

      But also apparent is that the myth of getting "loads of visitors rushing to their dirt cheap offer in a matter of days making them few thousand bucks" still persists.

      The ROI on WSOs is all over the map. I've talked to a few WSO sellers who feel this race to the bottom is unhealthy. Coupled with the "made for cheap WSO" mentality and the overall reputation of that place could take on a new color.

      Change isn't always for the better.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Vraibel
    I'd imagine that with the right offer, even a free WSO, would probably make up for itself with up sells on the back end. There are so many people lurking the WSO section at any given time that I think it'd be tough not to get tons of leads with a free or inexpensive product.

    Of course this is all speculation as I haven't ventured into selling WSO's.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post


    There was another recent thread about WarriorPlus decreasing WSO prices and a comment that they had seen complaints about $17 WSOs being too expensive.


    I thought this forum was about making money. Real money. Not pennies.


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    Brian, it isn't about making money here. It is about spending money and pretending you will some day make some money.

    You can see it in the rants and complaints on the main forum. They bitch about spam, about not getting enough free stuff and too many promotions, they complain about videos selling, webinars and so on...

    This is clearly buyer mentality here and they have learned nothing about selling.

    Most people don't want to invest in their business which is why they would rather buy three $7 items instead of one $17 item. I mean you get more for your money.

    Forget about the ROI you will get from each purchase. Forget about having a plan of action and just purchase as many wso product as possible. Irregardless if they help them with their plan.

    Nah, there are more buyers on this forum then marketers. That is all we are seeing now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Like Matt said, there are too many "products" being offered that aren't sold anywhere but in the WSO forum. These "made for WSO" products are often offered by people whose entire marketing career consists of selling via a WSO. That ain't marketing, folks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Like Matt said, there are too many "products" being offered that aren't sold anywhere but in the WSO forum. These "made for WSO" products are often offered by people whose entire marketing career consists of selling via a WSO. That ain't marketing, folks.
      I'm guilty of this but for totaly different reasons.
      My first WSO was for a product I had on ClickBank. It was the ClickBank Navigator.

      I had a lot of sales via CB and then I offered it to Warriors for which I also
      received many sales. After seeing how Warriors liked what I had to offer
      I did my research and created a few more products. All the products were
      based on Warriors needs and wants. They also did wellin the WSO forum.

      I'm not guilty of targeting only the WSO forum to run my business. Although,
      a marketer can make money filling the voids/needs of other Warriors in the WSO
      section.

      I try to help people when I can and when I see the same questions asked
      over and over here then as a Marketer I feel obligated to make the info
      available...lol Come on... Why shouldn't I be compensated for repeating
      myself over and over...? The search feature is available to them. I save
      them time therefore I feel I save them money and straighten their learning
      curve a little.

      My point is that WSO's created for Warriors in the WSO section based on
      repeated questions aren't a bad thing.

      I have programs I've sold that were only for Warrior Members because they had
      questions and couldn't find answers. I made a WSO and shared my creations.

      Just saying it's not allways1 for profit. Sometime people just Give Back
      sharing what they have learned.

      Have a Great Day!
      Michael

      PS. I do understand what you are saying and agree. I just had to say what
      I know in a reply to your post.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        Hey Michael,

        Making product for warriors because you found a void that needs filling is what I would consider a good reason to make a wso. No guilt or shame in that at all!

        If you took the same product and just posted it in the regular section I'm willing to bet less eyes get on it then in the WSO section. hehe.

        Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

        I'm guilty of this but for totaly different reasons.
        My first WSO was for a product I had on ClickBank. It was the ClickBank Navigator.

        I had a lot of sales via CB and then I offered it to Warriors for which I also
        received many sales. After seeing how Warriors liked what I had to offer
        I did my research and created a few more products. All the products were
        based on Warriors needs and wants. They also did wellin the WSO forum.

        I'm not guilty of only targeting the WSO forum to run my business. Although,
        a marketer can make money filling the voids/needs of other Warriors in the WSO
        section.

        I try to help people when I can and when I see the same questions asked
        over and over here then as a Marketer I feel obligated to make the info
        available...lol Come on... Why shouldn't I be compensated for repeating
        myself over and over...? The search feature is available to them. I save
        them time therefore I feel I save them money and straighten their learning
        curve a little.

        My point is that WSO's created for Warriors in the WSO section based on
        repeated questions aren't a bad thing.

        I have programs I've sold that were only for Warrior Members because I had
        questions and couldn't find answers. I made a WSO and shared my creations.

        Just saying it's not allways1 for profit. Sometime people just Give Back
        sharing what they have learned.

        Have a Great Day!
        Michael

        PS. I do understand what you are saying and agree. I just had to say what
        I know in a reply to your post.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

        I'm guilty of this but for totaly different reasons.
        - huge snip -
        I do understand what you are saying and agree. I just had to say what
        I know in a reply to your post.
        I know you know I wasn't referring to you, Michael, but thanks for adding your comment and giving me a chance to clarify what I meant for anyone who may have misunderstood my comment.

        I'm not saying all products made for WSO's are bad, or even that a majority are bad. What I'm saying is that if you're buying a product that teaches marketing, make sure the seller has more experience in marketing than just selling in the WSO forum.

        Unless, of course, the product is about marketing in the WSO forum. Then the experience is relevant.

        Thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          I know you know I wasn't referring to you, Michael, but thanks for adding your comment and giving me a chance to clarify what I meant for anyone who may have misunderstood my comment.
          Dennis, It never entered my mind that you would say such a thing to/about me.
          Thank you for clearing that up for anyone I may have confused.

          Have a Great Day!
          Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Like Matt said, there are too many "products" being offered that aren't sold anywhere but in the WSO forum. These "made for WSO" products are often offered by people whose entire marketing career consists of selling via a WSO. That ain't marketing, folks.
      That is the biggest problem is the WSO forum, when it first started I called it out many times. I can even remember when the "Success Stories" started. People write a post about how they had there first $300 day and how they had failed miserably up until this point, barley even making a dollar before. Then they would plainly say they finally had success selling a WSO.

      When you would do some research you would find they were selling a product on how to make money online, or how to do cpa. Things of that nature.

      You see the prices are so low because MOST WSO marketers have no clue how to market. They know how to sell a cheap WSO, that is about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I agree with a lot of what's been posted here and I'd like to add that from my perspective many newer wso sellers seem to have low post counts. Now I know this does not always indicate how experienced they are at Internet marketing but I can tell you one thing from personal experience.

    Last year I helped out some one who was on the ropes income wise. I offered a lot of help and free advice, now this same person is running a wso, and I know they have a very young business and are really not as experienced in online marketing as they could be and in my opinion should be. Especially if offering a wso.

    Many sellers aren't really running a real business, they are running a sales machine and that's all. I also think that the lower pricing on wso is a problem the sellers on the wso forum have created, not the buyers.

    I just could not imagine offering any level of support for a 7 dollar product, of course you won't catch me offering something for 7 bucks anyways. I think this is where many sellers miss it and find out after they've sold 1000 copies of the 7 dollar report and now have to give support to a ton of people. So much for net profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    You're absolutely right. I've purchased some incredible deals for very cheap. But I also purchase more expensive products and my own products, while not costing thousands, are mostly not in the $17 range.

    I don't know why people expect so much for so little. When I have offered something very cheap, I get messages asking me if I'm going to add this and add that. I say ... duh ... NO. Not for that price.

    But then what really do you expect in a forum where ***some*** people have requested refunds on products that they received for free? It's true. It has happened to numerous people here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post


      But then what really do you expect in a forum where ***some*** people have requested refunds on products that they received for free? It's true. It has happened to numerous people here.
      Say whaaaaaa? My faith in humanity has officially hit 0. Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
        Originally Posted by Joe128139 View Post

        Say whaaaaaa? My faith in humanity has officially hit 0. Thanks
        Relax, $0 refund requests yields $0 refunds! It's all good and many times
        it gives the vendor something to laugh about. It's all in how the vendor
        processes the info.

        Have a Great Day!
        Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    You can certainly make the case that average wso product prices have fallen quite a bit the last year or so so.

    I used to routinely pay $17 to $27 for wso's and now everything seems to hover around $10 - even less! The volume may be greater, I don't know.

    It seems those who give away 100% of the sales price as affiliate commissions, will often get WSO Of The Day and do huge numbers. ...but they're also in it to build a list and for the upsells.

    I do well with my WSO's, but can envision a day when the WSO's are all $5, and all that goes to the affiliate, and any earnings for the product owner/seller will have to be derived from future sales to his/her list or from an upsell.

    ...This little Pop Stand has gotten very sophisticated.
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    Millions are being spent.

    $14.90 on average at a time.
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  • Profile picture of the author That Guy
    I never intend in dipping my feet in the service portion of internet marketing so there is never a TOO cheap to anything.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mac the Knife
    Very interesting thread. It WOULD be possible to begin the course of action to change the climate a bit, but it would take a collaboration of a good many folks to agree to higher selling pricing in order to begin to turn the tide a bit. Difficult, yes, but not impossible at all, as market trends can be manipulated over time. I do currently use WSO's to help list build, but don't feel ashamed at offering cheap WSO's that contain relevant and useful info, but it does seem crazy that an offline business would pay me $100 or more for a consultation on a topic that would never sell for more than $10 here because of the climate. But I am so thankful for all the opportunities and info afforded to me by WF it does feel like a fair tradeoff.

    Anyways, it would be interesting to see a good group of WSO sellers who have experience and extremely valuable products to band together and start $27 minimum WSO's...if the product value is really there, and the multitude of $7 WSO's don't measure up, folks will start ponying up higher and higher fees for solid direction and info.

    The reality is (and this is where the struggle comes in) we all know that MOST people will never take the slightest bit of action to really implement what they are being taught anyways. For god's sakes, it is not hard to earn back $27 or even $97 by actually IMPLEMENTING what is being taught, but there is such an onslaught of people rushing to this market and trying this, trying that, and their heads being turned at every shiny object they see that true ROI is hard to define when the money being made by the purchasers is so washed out by those who don't take action.

    I know, that was mostly observation, but WSO's is such a hot topic, and there are so many angles to look at this situation from...definitely interested in reading what others say and thanks to those who have already weighed in...

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    • Profile picture of the author Patrick Pretty
      Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post

      It WOULD be possible to begin the course of action to change the climate a bit, but it would take a collaboration of a good many folks to agree to higher selling pricing in order to begin to turn the tide a bit. Difficult, yes, but not impossible at all, as market trends can be manipulated over time.
      Mac,

      Just thinking out loud for the purposes of satire here . . .

      Maybe all the WSO sellers should agree to let their hair grow. The next step would be to agree to learn how to curse like longshoremen. After that, they could agree to pretend that the people turned off by swearing in a business presentation aren't really worth having as customers and are more likely to demand a refund or file a chargeback.

      On a date uncertain, maybe all the WSO sellers could agree to rent a hotel in Vegas, dress down suitably to project hipness, get in their flip-flops -- and then emerge after two days of drunken discussions with a dramatic announcement that, henceforth, all WSOs will sell for exactly $1,997. Sales would be limited to precisely 500 units, with the option to reopen sales if chargebacks or refunds claim, say, up to 15 percent of the initial sales.

      And why not agree to use past super-successful WSOs as bonuses in this new collaborative way of doing business? Such an agreement very well could guarantee that all the neophyte Warriors who can't compete with the bonuses and therefore cannot compete for sales would be crushed -- and therefore must remain buyers only.

      Such a new way of doing business in the WSO section would not be complete, of course, unless it included an agreement to include videos and lots of "free content" for the price of an email address. All the neophyte Warriors and the intermediates could be told that it's good to watch all these videos and opt into all these lists for the "free content."

      It perhaps would be best if the new breed of PR savvy, hip, cursing WSO purveyors who sold everything for $1,997, limited the sales ceiling to 500 units and offered all the bonuses and the videos and the "free content" further agreed never to mention to the neophytes and intermediates that they will be cherry-picking their lists. (It may be crucial to make this part of any agreement, given the likelihood that some of the emerging breed of WSO sellers will be cherry-picking the lists of the folks they earlier told to build their lists because, after all, "the money is in the list.)

      This new approach would need a catchy name, of course. How does "Trade Union" strike you?

      Trade Unions running offers in the WSO forum would be limited to only 10 members and would have to have an individual name, of course. (Warrior Local ZXZ, for instance.) But an unlimited number of Warrior 10-member Trade Unions could compete in the forum, so long as they all agreed to the core agreement -- i.e., long hair, potty mouthing, $1,997 price point, 500-sales ceiling, etc.

      Oh, forgot one thing: All the Warrior Trade Unions also would have to agree that folks not willing to spend $1,997 and play the countdown-to-sellout-time game weren't worth having as customers and were more likely to demand a refund or file a chargeback.

      Maybe the WF should start a Baby Forum for the $7 to $1,996 prospects. Think?

      Patrick
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Wow!
    Brian, I got side tracked reading the other answers to your original question....

    "Is The Warrior Forum Too Cheap?"

    My answer is No!
    Allen made the forum/wso section affordable to the masses. It started cheaper
    and evolved to where it is now. What I have grasped from the process is that
    once you have something people want/need is that they will continue to pay for it.

    Yes, I feel it was better at $20 per wso although with all the spamming and other
    BS that was going on something had to be done to detour it. By taking action Allen more
    than doubled his income from the WF and minimized the problem.

    Moral, Find a problem, provide a solution and make money!

    The hell with Simon, This is what Allen Says.

    Have a Great Day!
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    • Profile picture of the author cscarpero
      There are people on this forum who make 6 figures from WSOs, so its not as cheap as you think.

      Besides if all you make is from the front end sale, you aren't doing the WSO right anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior X
    Certainly the WarRoom is a bargain. I learned how to make the registration fee back after reading like what? Two posts?

    'Warriors for Hire' has also been an asset, and is well worth the 20 bucks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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    What if it was so expensive to list a WSO, that it would be nearly impossible to break even with $7 reports?

    Let's say it cost...$1,000+ to list a WSO.

    Do you think that would eliminate the "casual" marketers who make quick reports just for the WSO forum? Here's what I think:

    1) We would see far fewer WSO's, and their quality (and price) would increase ten fold.
    2) There would STILL be $7 reports, but these would be really tiny reports giving away a tip or two. Why are they there? Because they are a loss-leader; a method to build a buyers list for long-term marketing.

    Either that or get rid of the WSO section completely. Just a thought, for what it's worth.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley View Post

      What if it was so expensive to list a WSO, that it would be nearly impossible to break even with $7 reports?

      Let's say it cost...$1,000+ to list a WSO.

      Do you think that would eliminate the "casual" marketers who make quick reports just for the WSO forum? Here's what I think:

      1) We would see far fewer WSO's, and their quality (and price) would increase ten fold.
      2) There would STILL be $7 reports, but these would be really tiny reports giving away a tip or two. Why are they there? Because they are a loss-leader; a method to build a buyers list for long-term marketing.

      Either that or get rid of the WSO section completely. Just a thought, for what it's worth.
      3) We would just see higher prices for the same old stuff as people would feel forced to charge more to recoup their $1,000.

      4) The hype-o-meter would practically blow up as some sellers would justify the higher price with even "bolder" sales copy, and NOT with higher quality products.

      Any of these 4 things would likely happen, and more.

      The one thing that is almost certain is that people would just come up with different ways of getting that money back, and my guess is that rip-offs would still happen; the only difference is that people would lose a lot more moolah when it happened.

      All the best,
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      • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        3) We would just see higher prices for the same old stuff as people would feel forced to charge more to recoup their $1,000.

        4) The hype-o-meter would practically blow up as some sellers would justify the higher price with even "bolder" sales copy, and NOT with higher quality products.

        Any of these 4 things would likely happen, and more.

        The one thing that is almost certain is that people would just come up with different ways of getting that money back, and my guess is that rip-offs would still happen; the only difference is that people would lose a lot more moolah when it happened.

        All the best,
        Michael
        I don't know. The price increase might even discourage scammers from posting in the first place. At that price, the only people who would be able to afford it would be those who are already running an online business to begin with. Like I said, it's just a thought. I'm not an expert in these things.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley View Post

      What if it was so expensive to list a WSO, that it would be nearly impossible to break even with $7 reports?

      Let's say it cost...$1,000+ to list a WSO.

      Do you think that would eliminate the "casual" marketers who make quick reports just for the WSO forum? Here's what I think:

      1) We would see far fewer WSO's, and their quality (and price) would increase ten fold.
      2) There would STILL be $7 reports, but these would be really tiny reports giving away a tip or two. Why are they there? Because they are a loss-leader; a method to build a buyers list for long-term marketing.

      Either that or get rid of the WSO section completely. Just a thought, for what it's worth.

      I don't see the need to change it.

      People are buying what they want and thus sellers are giving them what they want. People here want cheap stuff and it doesn't matter what type of ROI they get from it. I don't see anything broken besides the buyers purchasing habits.

      Let the sellers deal with the refund requests (I always got more refund requests on lower priced products) so the buyer's can reuse that $7 on another wso only to refund again.

      I wish Allen would outlaw anymore rants ( I am not talking about your post Brian) about the wso section. Buyers are making it what they want by purchasing the stuff so they shouldn't complain about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley View Post

      Either that or get rid of the WSO section completely. Just a thought, for what it's worth.
      Joshua,

      Here's a thought...

      Don't type between bong hits...

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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
    Well it amazes me when people say that $17 is too much, when the product they are buying promises to make them $100 per day, or $5,000 per month.

    If they really thought the product would work, they wouldnt mind paying $17. Why else would you buy it?

    So either they are just IM product junkies, or they are pretty thick.

    I am thinking the first one. Although some definitely fall into the latter category.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheSEOWizard
      Originally Posted by Ashley Gable View Post

      Well it amazes me when people say that $17 is too much, when the product they are buying promises to make them $100 per day, or $5,000 per month.

      If they really thought the product would work, they wouldnt mind paying $17. Why else would you buy it?

      So either they are just IM product junkies, or they are pretty thick.

      I am thinking the first one. Although some definitely fall into the latter category.

      I am new to WF but to be frank I would not say that they are wrong too. Those are simply promises and nothing else to be frank. I am not sure about the services provided by members here but normally all those who promise 100 dollars a day "get rich quick" products would not be selling them if the products were so effective. If they can teach others to make $100 or $5000 a month they would have themselves made a hundred thousand dollars a month and never need to produce those products. It is not the case in each scenario but most such product writers are hardly successful themselves at least in other places. I am not sure here but in other places, I can nearly guarantee that they would never provide "pay after result" criteria even to reputed members because they also know well that they are not selling $5000 a month a month but just the promise which would never get fulfilled in 99.9% out of 100 times. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Bambu
      Originally Posted by Ashley Gable View Post

      Well it amazes me when people say that $17 is too much, when the product they are buying promises to make them $100 per day, or $5,000 per month...
      Do you really think that just because someone touting a WSO makes outlandish/absurd income potential claims that it justifies the price of admission? Most people would say no...

      How many WSOs currently in the WSO section have some far fetched promise? Close to 100% would be my guess... How many are worth their salt?? Far, far, far less than 100% IMO.

      Most WSOs are regurgitated garbage that IMs pawn off on eager newbies or people reselling Fiverr gigs

      [Hey, here is a huge tip for all of you Fiverr gig resellers: Use a different Fiverr handle than the one you use here! DUH!! You would be surprised how many Warriors use the same handle on both WF and Fiverr. This is a good way of cutting out the middle man on effective SEO work though]

      That is not to say there aren't any good WSOs. They do exist.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
        Originally Posted by Bambu View Post

        Do you really think that just because someone touting a WSO makes outlandish/absurd income potential claims that it justifies the price of admission? Most people would say no...

        No. But as a buyer if I make the decision to buy something I should, for my sake, believe it is actually going to work.

        If I buy an ebook that costs $20 and it says it will make me $100/day, if I have even the slightest doubt about whether it will, then I shouldnt buy it.

        Right?

        If I dont think it will work, why buy it?

        If I think it will work, $20 is nothing.

        Unless you are the type of person that buys every course out there in hopes of finding one solid nugget of information (which isnt necessarily bad, I know people that do this) then it doesnt make sense to purchase a product you dont think can actually deliver for any price.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    This thread is a little silly.

    Its called WSO because it is a special offer, that means you get it cheaper than what it is being offered for out there in the real word, or before it is being released.

    so in summing up, what does WSO stand for WARRIOR 'SPECIAL OFFER' why do you expect everything to be $47.

    Our last WSO made thousands off at 9.95 product. But I should not be telling you that, you might actually go out there and make a killing.
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    • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      This thread is a little silly.

      Its called WSO because it is a special offer, that means you get it cheaper than what it is being offered for out there in the real word, or before it is being released.

      so in summing up, what does WSO stand for WARRIOR 'SPECIAL OFFER' why do you expect everything to be $47.

      Our last WSO made thousands off at 9.95 product. But I should not be telling you that, you might actually go out there and make a killing.
      You can even make thousands with higher end products and prices 27 bucks+ 67,97 etc you don't have to sell yourself short.

      That is what I am saying. And more to the point the problem with creating products just for the forum takes that "special offer" right out of the equation . special compared to what?

      Nothing to compare it to. The only way I could think it was special is because it is only available on the forum But if you are only creating products for the forum you are missing out on a whole world of possibilities and cash streams.

      Not to mention it is awful silly to have your eggs in one basket
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      This thread is a little silly.
      I have a feelling you either skimmed this thread or you don't really understand what Brian was talking about. I think it should be something people think about when purchasing anything to help their business.


      Its called WSO because it is a special offer, that means you get it cheaper than what it is being offered for out there in the real word, or before it is being released.
      It used to be... now most products being offered are not created for the "real world" but for the wso section.


      so in summing up, what does WSO stand for WARRIOR 'SPECIAL OFFER' why do you expect everything to be $47.
      No, apparently everything should be priced at $7 according to a lot of buyers! It doesn't matter how much it helps their business.


      Our last WSO made thousands off at 9.95 product.
      It is obvious you missed the point of this thread. Just wondering, did you release this product to the "real world" at a higher price?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Work in a niche other than MMO and this crap isn't even a blip on the radar.

    Lifes good

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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      Work in a niche other than MMO and this crap isn't even a blip on the radar.

      Lifes good

      Chris
      Sell outside the warrior forum for less hassles.
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  • Profile picture of the author RussRuffino
    The price is determined by what the market will bear. It's simple, and it's fair. When my WSO dimesales cross the $20 mark, there is a noticeable drop in conversions. One has to consider the value of not just the initial sale (because really, who cares?) but the fact that a BUYER has been added to your list.

    It's the same reason why ultra-successful marketers like Lee McIntyre pay 200% commission on their front-end products - they don't care about the initial sale. They care about getting a real live, bona fide buyer into their sales funnel.

    A WSO is getting paid to build a list of buyers. Anyone who's worried about charging $10 vs. $19 on the front-end is TOTALLY missing the point.

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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Brian, there's one primary reason for a race to the bottom of price: the law of supply and demand.

    Combine that with a remarkable lack of differentiation between most products hawked in the MMO space and you have a perfect storm of commoditization. Toss in a few scammers and some more rehashed "me too" product of low quality and the bottom falls out of the marketplace.

    In this little private skype group we have with a few players, we've occasionally discussed this issue with the WF and WSO pricing. I threw down the gauntlet and said that I had a hard time with the idea of EVER releasing a WSO simply because it drops the perceived value of anything I'd ever do. Brad Gosse responded that it could be a relative play... a 5-10 page report on something for a lot more money than the average deal, simply because it's from someone like me that could carry the value proposition.

    I'm still not sure though because the market leans towards the very low end of the price buyer, and those who place value on higher end stuff seek me out anyway.

    Much like yourself and your direct mail campaign for targeted prospects.

    The total caveat is exactly what Russ just said... building a mailing list in the MMO space. Which again, doesn't necessarily do as much for me in my particular market... high end biz dev, VC investing, and executive coaching.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Brian, there's one primary reason for a race to the bottom of price: the law of supply and demand.
      Interesting points. But the law of supply and demand in what market?

      Compare two possible marketplaces:

      The same SEO report is offered in each place.

      At X sales die at the $47 price point. People complain if products are more than $17. Refund requests are rampant.

      At Y members may question whether a report has value if it is offered as low as $47. There are few complaints and refunds are rare.


      Is the difference simply the membership in your private skype group, versus a worldwide forum open to anyone?

      Is it something else?

      Is it something the forum wants to have?


      Regarding going cheap to build a list, what kind of list is being built?

      Cheap offers in marketplace X creates a comprised of those in marketplace X. Not Y.

      Maybe I'm "totally" missing the point - but I don't think so.

      The argument that getting a buyer, or someone on your list, is more important than anything else is narrowly focused on only one possible way to make money.

      The end result would be a WSO forum where everything is cheap, even free, with buyers trained to know the initial product is just an advertising shill for a hidden, much more expensive back end offer.

      In the long I don't think that is desirable or sustainable. What happens is the "expensive back end offer" starts to get cheapened by those looking for the same advantage which is causing the "front end offer" to be cheapened.

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      • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        The argument that getting a buyer, or someone on your list, is more important than anything else is narrowly focused on only one possible way to make money.

        The end result would be a WSO forum where everything is cheap, even free, with buyers trained to know the initial product is just an advertising shill for a hidden, much more expensive back end offer.

        In the long I don't think that is desirable or sustainable. What happens is the "expensive back end offer" starts to get cheapened by those looking for the same advantage which is causing the "front end offer" to be cheapened.
        People use this all the time, come in with a low offer to get the buyer. This works, but it does not work if the "buyer" is conditioned to not pay more than $17 for something.

        That would be like going to wal-mart and trying to sell the guy looking at cloths a $10,000 suite. You will get a few takers, but it will be far and in between. (no offence to Wal-Mart, but people go there because of the perception of cheaper prices)
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      • Profile picture of the author RussRuffino
        Am I entering my first real debate on the Warrior Forum? I swore to myself I would never do this...

        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        Regarding going cheap to build a list, what kind of list is being built?
        A list of motivated people who are willing to reach into their pocket and spend money to learn IM. My God, could there possibly be a more valuable list than that?

        The WSO Section allows someone like me to reach these people on a scale that they NEVER would have been reachable before. Those are EXACTLY the kind of people I want on my list.

        Cheap offers in marketplace X creates a list comprised of those in marketplace X. Not Y.
        This is just plain wrong. Here's why:

        Just because I usually buy, let's say, paper at Store X, doesn't mean that I won't venture into Store Y if there is a sale going on. If I do decide to walk into store Y, buy their inexpensive paper, and it BLOWS MY MIND because it's the BEST PAPER EVER, then I just became a loyal customer of Store Y...even when they start selling "premium paper" at a higher price point.

        Real-life example: On a recent WSO that sold for $7 - $19 through a dime sale, I pitched a $197 coaching program to people who bought the WSO. I didn't make it an instant OTO, I waited a week or so to allow them to consume the content in the WSO and see that it was worth MANY TIMES what they had paid for it.

        Because over-delivering in that way generated such tremendous goodwill with the list, the $197 coaching program sold out in about 3 days.

        As I said before, what makes the WSO forum so amazing is that I GET PAID to get new buyers into my funnel. I over-deliver to them, and this creates massive good will. When that happens, I can offer them products at a higher price-point and people are HAPPY to buy them, because they know my stuff is good.

        The argument that getting a buyer, or someone on your list, is more important than anything else is narrowly focused on only one possible way to make money.
        No, because WSO's are a point of entry onto my list. It's about LEAD ACQUISITION, NOT making money on the front-end.

        Now, the fact that you DO earn money on the front-end is what makes it so awesome. Instead of having to pay $2 to acquire a new lead, that lead now pays ME $7 - 19 to enter my sales funnel and give me a chance to impress them! It doesn't get any cooler than that!

        Once that happens, THEN we start making money, through back-end coaching, webinars, list promotions, building a relationship, JV's, etc.

        So it's not narrowly focusing on one way of making money, it's just one way to acquire a new lead. FROM that lead, there are infinite ways to continue to provide value and therefore make more money.

        The end result would be a WSO forum where everything is cheap, even free, with buyers trained to know the initial product is just an advertising shill for a hidden, much more expensive back end offer.
        Contradiction: If the buyers are TRAINED to know that there's a hidden back end offer, then it's not "hidden" at all, is it? And you forget one thing - people are ON HERE looking for solutions and great teachers!

        When I was starting out, if I bought a $19 WSO from someone and it blew my mind, I was THRILLED! I didn't resent it when they offered me a $197 coaching program, because I thought to myself, "At last! A cool guy who knows how to over-deliver, who has my best interests at heart! If his $19 report was so brilliant, I can't WAIT to see what I get for $197!"

        And that's not theoretical, either. I can NAME NAMES of people on this very forum who produced WSO's that acted as an introduction for me to their stuff. And since then, I've spent THOUSANDS with those people because I like their style, AND I recommend their work to MY students now.

        So it was very much in their best interests to offer a cheap WSO on the front-end, because it gave me the chance to get to know them, and that's what it's all about. (Oh, and being able to send an e-mail and make $1,000+ overnight isn't bad either...but you have to REALLY take care of your list to be able to do that).

        Russ
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  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Lessey
    Guys to me..its obvious

    The whole concept is to over deliver

    If you were to make a WSO giving them GREAT info that they are willing to pay much more for...and you make it really cheap, 2 things happen

    1. They are blown away by the quality and their expectations of the WSO are too
    2. They know that if they get this info for this price...imagine what their higher offers would be

    It makes perfect sense..

    Think as a seller for a minute. If I helped X amount of people solve their problem, I now have them on my list to further sell. If I wanted to make another product I can easily get testimonials..the list goes on
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      I don't sell MMO products. So as I watch the conversation where people are defending training people to eschew higher priced WSOs in favor of the magic 'under $10' products it strikes me as a little odd that the overall thought process leads to the conclusion that this is one of the better ways to get people on a list who will later be the customers for drastically more expensive products.

      Granted some of these WSOs I have bought have been a gateway to neverending affiliate offers now flooding my inbox. I can see the obvious backend potential for selling other magic 'under $10' products, but what are the odds that this training your buyers to look for cheap products naturally leads to them wanting a $97 or a $267 products at some point.

      They're already inundated with constant offers for cheap products so when does the appetite for more expensive products kick in?

      I'm very familiar with the classic sales funnel concept, btw, what I'm talking about is the current model where Marketer A sells a $7 product to get a customer in their funnel, and then pounds them with cheap affiliate offers from Marketer B who in turn does the same thing for Marketers C, D, etc.

      It's a never ending stream of cheap product offers from incestuous lists.

      Do all of these same marketers believe customer X will someday reward them all with a big ticket purchase?

      How much money do these folks who balk at a $19 product have to spend on higher ticket items?

      And who finally gets the prize? The top marketer out of the bunch?

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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    It may be the rare exception but I think there are some "cheap" WSO's that are genuinely priced low to help out fellow Warriors. To give back. I know a vendor may say that just as a marketing ploy but in a few instances I believe it is sincere. In the WR there are many things given for free with no opt-in.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      --snip--

      I suspect Shay Rockhold has the best take on WSO's today - low-price, good qaulity offers that have the reach to profit on volume. It's a model I embrace, but then again, I don't just sell to the IM crowd.

      Unfortunately, many of the WSO's I've purchased in the last couple of years fail miserably on the quality aspect of Shay's model.

      --snip--

      And to Shay - you go girl
      Mike, you seriously have made my day. Thank you.
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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        I know that my business model is not a traditional one.

        I purposely keep my products low-priced so that they are affordable. I do that for a very specific reason. It's not because I'm trying to simply put people in a sales funnel - not that having a sales funnel is a bad thing, of course. After all, we're all marketers here.

        I purposely price my products the way that they are because I know that a single mom can purchase my product and make a good living by putting the principles in the product into practice, and she doesn't have to decide between buying groceries/diapers or my product in order to do so. She can buy any product I have for less than the price of a couple of happy meals.

        I also purposely design my products so that you do not have to buy any additional tools in order to make the methods work. Again, there is a reason for that. I don't want the aforementioned single mom to buy my product and then realize that in order to make things work she needs to buy something else. (Can you tell I was a single mom for 6+ years?)

        When at all possible, I make sure that you can utilize my Hotsheet techniques with free methods. It's one of the reasons why I advocate Blogger, Freewebs, etc., in my Hotsheets. (If you have the money to invest, then of course it would be better to have your own hosting - I just give free alternatives in case someone is just starting out and they don't have that kind of money.)

        I think that there is a very valid place the market for higher priced products. I simply don't carry them or create them. I don't think they're bad. I think that there are some very good products in the high dollar price ranges. And the people that create and or promote them? More power to you. I wish you all the success in the world.

        This is the way that I run my business. I'm not saying that it's the right way. I'm not saying that it's the way that anybody else should do it. I'm sure that I'm probably leaving money on the table. I'm sure that if I changed my methodology, I could make more money.

        But as it is I get to help people at a price that they can afford - and I make more money doing this than I ever did working 40 hours a week in my life at a "real" job.

        Top that off with the e-mails and the PMs that I get thanking me for my stuff? Things just don't get any better than this.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Before I posted this answer, I did something I haven't done in months. I looked at the front page of the WSO forum.

    I think Mike Hiles is very close to the truth when he talks about WSO products becoming commodities, at least within the WSO forum. There just isn't much to tell one "Get #1 on Google in 12 seconds" blind offer from another. So the only thing many sellers have left to compete on is price.

    There are obviously exceptions. Shay has her strategy mapped out, and has cogent reasons for doing things the way she does. Guys like Russ Rufino make a good case for the WSO forum being the entrance to a funnel.

    From my quick scan, I think they, and the others like them, are the exception to the rule.

    Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, I'll leave up to others. I've never offered a WSO, nor do I have plans to do so in the foreseeable future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      I agree with all of your post. John.

      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      I've never offered a WSO, nor do I have plans to do so in the foreseeable future.
      Well ... that's a shame. You'd have a lot of customers for one.
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  • Profile picture of the author espe
    Because there are plenty of warriors selling "I will teach you how to be millionaire selling WSOs" and a lot of people buying that crap, so what happen? then they start selling the same old methods for $5 wishing to become millionaires by next friday... AND many people think the warrior forum is where you get everything for that price $5-$17 and is not, there are a lot of warriors selling $90+ services and they do really well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
      And many of them are using fake screenshots to sell.

      Originally Posted by espe View Post

      Because there are plenty of warriors selling "I will teach you how to be millionaire selling WSOs" and a lot of people buying that crap, so what happen? then they start selling the same old methods for $5 wishing to become millionaires by next friday... AND many people think the warrior forum is where you get everything for that price $5-$17 and is not, there are a lot of warriors selling $90+ services and they do really well.
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