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Hey Warriors,

Just wondering what those guys doing for traffic now, who were exclusively focusing on Ezinearticles.Com before panda updates...

I don't think Ezinearticles.Com is as effective as it was before...Because their traffic states has been reduced from over 14 million to just 6 million since January and it's still moving downward, same is the case with other directories like articlesbase.com hmm

I think now it's only effective for getting those contextual back-links...
#dead #ezinearticles
  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Ben
    There is still SOME traffic to EZineArticles, but ever since Google effectively game them the boot from organic search results (at least on the first couple pages), people aren't able to rank articles like they used to. I think you are right that it is pretty much only good for backlinks at this point!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joejonas
      EZINE articles increase the ranking of keyword
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Joejonas View Post

        EZINE articles increase the ranking of keyword
        This (and half the other comments appearing here) is just nonsense.

        Originally Posted by Marhelper View Post

        Another "EZA is Dead," LOL.
        Not even "another one".

        This one's from August: it's one of the "same ones again".

        Factual information (not that many people contributing to this thread seem to be interested in it) is here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ries-work.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Stefan S
    Backlinking in the "old" fashion way still works. You must provide unique and good content though. And you should never put all the eggs in one basket.
    Building backlinks must not only be focusing on Ezinearticles. there are so many other ways and places you should use.

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    • Profile picture of the author emini_guy
      Originally Posted by KallP View Post

      Backlinking in the "old" fashion way still works. You must provide unique and good content though.

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      I agree, but the traffic from the site is definitely down, which is sad because my articles tend to be good quality, being usually much longer than the required minimum, and with a very good CTR, so it looks like I too have to suffer because of all those who chose to abuse ezinearticles.com for their marketing purposes. Not fair.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Serenity090 View Post

    Just wondering what those guys doing for traffic now, who were exclusively focusing on Ezinearticles.Com before panda updates...
    I think the people who were only doing article directory marketing (i.e. trying to use article directories for their own backlinks and/or their own traffic, rather than for their intended purpose) are mostly either struggling or moving on to other things.

    The people who were using EZA as part of their article marketing, for its intended purpose, are still using it exactly as we were (and just doing slightly better out of it now, collectively, it seems).

    Originally Posted by Serenity090 View Post

    I don't think Ezinearticles.Com is as effective as it was before...Because their traffic states has been reduced
    To many of us article marketers here, that's actually an advantage.

    When a potential customer finds one of our articles by putting one of its keywords into a search engine, the last thing we want them finding is an EZA copy. We want potential customer traffic coming to our own sites, not swanning off to an article directory.

    Those are not the people we're submitting our articles there to attract.

    "I have a 25% click through rate from EZA" is just another way of saying "I lose 75% of my traffic at EZA".

    Originally Posted by Serenity090 View Post

    I think now it's only effective for getting those contextual back-links...
    Er ... no.

    That's one thing it's not useful for. Those backlinks are non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks of negligible value.

    But it's exactly as effective as it always has been for the purpose for which article directories exist.

    I think this very recent thread on the same subject will interest you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Melanie Crouse
    We seem to have a EzineArticles dead post here at least once a day lately!

    1. No, EzineArticles is NOT dead.
    2. Read what Alexa posted. She always sums it up perfectly.
    3. Use the search fuction above with the keyword EzineArticles and you'll find a zillion threads with a truly AMAZING amount of information.

    This is what you'll see: http://www.warriorforum.com/search.p...rchid=10772764

    A search of article marketing is even better. http://www.warriorforum.com/search.p...rchid=10772824
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  • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
    Originally Posted by Serenity090 View Post

    Hey Warriors,

    Just wondering what those guys doing for traffic now, who were exclusively focusing on Ezinearticles.Com before panda updates...

    I don't think Ezinearticles.Com is as effective as it was before...Because their traffic states has been reduced from over 14 million to just 6 million since January and it's still moving downward, same is the case with other directories like articlesbase.com hmm

    I think now it's only effective for getting those contextual back-links...
    I'm doing nothing different at all..

    EZA continues to work beautifully for me because I have never used it with traffic in mind anyway.

    As has been repeatedad infinitum here recently, all your articles should first be published on your own blog or website, then once Google has indexed them there, they can also be published on Ezine Articles. But I do this simply for syndication purposes.

    I gain far more quality traffic and backlinks from the websites which pick me up, than ever I do from EZA.

    The purpose EZA serves is to put me in touch with new publishers/syndicators. I'm not even looking for direct traffic. All my traffic comes from (in diminishing order):

    i) Visitors being pulled in directly into my blog(s) as a result of the articles published and indexed there.

    ii) People arriving from links in my syndicated articles.

    iii) Guest blogging (virtually always with re-purposed, previously published articles).

    iv) Social media

    v) Ezine Articles, ArticleBase, DocStoc (document sharing)
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  • Profile picture of the author yragcom1
    The demise of Ezinearticles is greatly exaggerated. I have over 600 articles under different names that I've submitted since 2009, and I've actually seen an improvement in traffic. I've always gone to great lengths to write articles that were informative and read more like news stories, even to the point where I would use quotes from other news sources to justify the points I made in my articles.

    I saw a huge spike in my e-zine articles traffic after Panda, about 20%. I don't really know how it happened, and I cannot ascertain if I changed SERP positions in Google or in Ezinearticles . All I know is that I've always strived to write articles that were at least 700 words, if not more. Outside of the 2 to 3% keyword density, and having quality articles with substantial information, I've never had any other concern.

    Is Ezinearticles dead? Not hardly.

    So take that whatever way you want. Google is all about quality, not gaming the system. In the end, good work will always get rewarded.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    No its not dead but as some mentioned here, its not as same as pre-panda.
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  • Profile picture of the author Murlu
    Panda did one great thing: cleared way for true competition.

    EzineArticles and a lot of other directories were so overwhelmed with crap articles that it prevented a lot of high quality info from reaching the top. If you just create great content it WILL be found.

    On that note, always diversify your link building with guest posting and networking to avoid potential hazards that comes from "having your eggs in one basket".
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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    Alexa, I keep wondering how many times you are going to repeat the same thing over and over again before you finally snap.

    Yes OP, EZA is dead. Just ignore the people who are still getting traffic with it, it's still dead. Ignore the fact that it's currently the 235th most popular website on the internet (according to Alexa), it's still dead.

    Please use your common sense. Just because it may or may not work for you doesn't mean it's dead. And just because it's dead it doesn't mean your business is dead too.

    If you're really that worried about EZA dying, then diversify your marketing efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    Calm way down, Seth. As long as there are cheapskates who want to be millionaires, low quality will never truly die... it can only be humiliated again and again like an 80's cartoon bad guy.
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  • Profile picture of the author sscot
    True, panda updates were negative impact for many article directories when it consider along direct traffic though article directories. But, the main purpose of article directories such as EZA is syndication, and publishers are still using them for free contents. Write great contents.............
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  • Profile picture of the author scraig
    Ezine Articles is still alive. As long as good quality content is provided it will work as well as ever.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Ditfort
    If you just submit an article to ezine articles you might get a little traffic but you need to keyword optimize your article so It can appear in the Google search engine. Then you'll get a nice article, you need to know how to find profitable keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    I get a lot less traffic from them than I used to, but then again I haven't done article marketing for some time. As far as article directories go, I think they are still the best bet for traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elluminati
    Well, whether it's dead or not, I like it. I've seen my articles re-tweeted, so...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    People are fickle and do not look ahead. Is there any reason why Ezine Articles would not use their substantial resources to change their fortunes and build traffic again?

    For me I am glad that IM peeps who just want to post spun junk have moved away from EZA. The decline in quality was bound to cause Google to respond and take action.

    Traffic to my articles has gone down however my CTR's still stands strong. I do not write to get back links but to get hits to my sites through EZA. This means that I just need to keep adding articles to make up the shortfall. My best CTR of 89.2% still stands

    All good to me ... so please do move on and use other methods for your traffic if u are just interested in creating spam articles.

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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Originally Posted by Mangozoom View Post

      People are fickle and do not look ahead. Is there any reason why Ezine Articles would not use their substantial resources to change their fortunes and build traffic again?

      For me I am glad that IM peeps who just want to post spun junk have moved away from EZA. The decline in quality was bound to cause Google to respond and take action.

      Traffic to my articles has gone down however my CTR's still stands strong. I do not write to get back links but to get hits to my sites through EZA. This means that I just need to keep adding articles to make up the shortfall. My best CTR of 89.2% still stands

      All good to me ... so please do move on and use other methods for your traffic if u are just interested in creating spam articles.

      John
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      They have done a lot of things since Panda in hopes of improving their site. They cracked down immediately on the number and quality of articles that they accepted in certain niches. They upped the word count required, tightened quality standards and even purged articles from their directory. I think they even may have backed off on how much adsense was on each page since I know that here at work EZA was flagged by our AV as being a "made for adsense site".

      So, you don't write for the backlinks and you rely upon traffic from your articles on EZA? Call me crazy if you want but it almost sounds like you want your article on EZA to rank well? Wouldn't you rather have YOUR article on YOUR site rank well as opposed to your article on someone else's site?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
        Originally Posted by bretski View Post


        So, you don't write for the backlinks and you rely upon traffic from your articles on EZA? Call me crazy if you want but it almost sounds like you want your article on EZA to rank well? Wouldn't you rather have YOUR article on YOUR site rank well as opposed to your article on someone else's site?
        In short a big yep!

        A hit to my site is a hit simple as that. I can leverage EZA authority and get a ton of FREE traffic which I then turn into an email list ... nothin not wrang wid dat as my lovely Jamaican wife wud say
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        • Profile picture of the author bretski
          Originally Posted by Mangozoom View Post

          In short a big yep!

          A hit to my site is a hit simple as that. I can leverage EZA authority and get a ton of FREE traffic which I then turn into an email list ... nothin not wrang wid dat as my lovely Jamaican wife wud say
          Your answer is confusing and I don't think that you caught the drift of what I was trying to say. You're not smelling what I'm steppin' in, so to speak but you seem to be happy and have your mind made up that what you're doing is the way to go so, have at it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    Another "EZA is Dead," LOL. I got out of it after realizing how much more sense it made to put my articles on my own site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    Hi Alexa

    I have just read your information about How Article Directories Work ... brilliant job.

    My only comment is though that I do drive my traffic through them and get my 75% plus ctr.

    Eza just works for me.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author anthonyb
    To be honest in my opinion, Ezinearticles is still a good source of traffic, provided your articles are well written and the resource box section is written to convert. In addition, there appears to be a unified believe among article marketers in this forum, that the article directories are there solely for syndication and nothing else. Yet, I am not sure this is technically true, as people do go to article directories for information in of itself in addition to syndication.



    Granted a number of people have had successes with syndication via article directories. However I wonder how beneficial it is having your article syndicated from ezinearticles by webmasters with little or no traffic to their sites. I say this, because you are more likely to be syndicated by webmasters with the above description. When you add to this, unscrupulous folks that solely go to ezinea to steal content, you have to wonder about syndication via article directories.


    A more focused approach if syndication is the goal, would be to find niche sites with good traffic, and provide them with your content. In saying so, this is becoming less likely if your content is not original. Whether we accept it or not, people are generally now wary putting duplicated contents on their site, post panda.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      As has been said often, Ezinearticles is an effective tool and stepping stone for getting your articles published. If you want your articles syndicated, then write your articles in a manner acceptable to potential publishers within your niches. Passive syndication (as with EZA) is still quite effective, but a more powerful way to leverage your articles is marketing them through self-syndication. Contact relevant webmasters, bloggers, ezine publishers, and even offline publications for article submission.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

      Ezinearticles is still a good source of traffic, provided your articles are well written and the resource box section is written to convert.
      This is incorrect.

      Ezine Articles is not the source of that traffic.

      Google (and/or another search engine) is the source of that traffic.

      Potential customers search in Google, not in the database of Ezine Articles. When they do search in Google, it's up to you whether you want them coming from Google to your site, or going from Google to EZA's site, where you lose (typically) a big proportion of them. For those of us making our livings through article marketing, the decision's a no-brainer.

      Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

      Granted a number of people have had successes with syndication via article directories.
      Yes, a large and growing number of us.

      Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

      However I wonder how beneficial it is having your article syndicated from ezinearticles by webmasters with little or no traffic to their sites.
      Hardly beneficial at all, apart from a relevant backlink. But there's no downside, either. And fortunately there are others, too. Not to mention ezines. It's called Ezine Articles for a reason, hello?

      Some of the ezines whose publishers regularly syndicate content from there have tens of thousands of targeted subscribers.

      If that isn't "targeted traffic", I don't know what is!

      Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

      you have to wonder about syndication via article directories.
      LOL, you don't have an easy case to argue there, trying to convince large and growing numbers of people making their livings this way about that perspective.

      Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

      people are generally now wary putting duplicated contents on their site, post panda.
      Not people who understand that "duplicate content" and "syndicated content" are two totally different things. And not people who are making their living that way. Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing

      These threads are weird.

      The comments from all the people saying "Ezine Articles is dead, for me: I can't get decent traffic that way any more" are like threads in a classical music forum debating the merits of a pound of apples from the supermarket, with a whole succession of people posting saying "Well, I don't know: if you ask me, these apples are damn all use for anything: they can't play the Beethoven piano concerto, they can't play the Stravinsky violin concerto and they can't even play Barber's cello concerto ... I've been doing this for 3 years and I'm telling you I can't get a tune out of those suckers at all." If you try to use something for totally the wrong purpose, for a purpose for which they never came into existence to fulfil in the first place, for a purpose they never claimed to serve, for a purpose unconnected with what they're aimed at, then guess what: they're not going to be much use to you, are they?!

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      • Profile picture of the author anthonyb
        Alexa as much as i acknowledge your contribution in this area of discussion, you are absolutely incorrect to believe that Ezine does not get direct traffic apart from what it gets from the search engine. Let’s assume that Ezine only gets its traffic via the search engines, it still does not debunk my original point that it is still a good source of traffic irrespective of the fact that it is a secondary source of traffic.

        Ezine Articles is not the source of that traffic.

        Google (and/or another search engine) is the source of that traffic.

        Potential customers search in Google, not in the database of Ezine Articles. When they do search in Google, it's up to you whether you want them coming from Google to your site, or going from Google to EZA's site, where you lose (typically) a big proportion of them. For those of us making our livings through article marketing, the decision's a no-brainer.

        The statement above is absurd. What do you mean by "it is up to you whether you want them coming from Google to your site or EZAs sites". As long as you choose to publish your article on EZA, you have no control on what Google chooses to do with the search traffic. Google may choose to route the traffic directly to your site or via EZA. Your only control here is to not publish your article on EZA.


        Yes, a large and growing number of us.



        Hardly beneficial at all, apart from a relevant backlink. But there's no downside, either. And fortunately there are others, too. Not to mention ezines. It's called Ezine Articles for a reason, hello?

        I didn’t put you down as one that considered a backlink from Ezine as worth anything. You have stated on many occasions how worthless those backlinks are so not sure why that should come into any consideration. Although I happen to believe the backlinks are worth something. And yes there is a downside to publishing on EZA, there always is in life, and this is no exception, I have stated them on my previous post..

        Some of the ezines whose publishers regularly syndicate content from there have tens of thousands of targeted subscribers.

        If that isn't "targeted traffic", I don't know what is!


        I am sorry this is just opinions and speculations; since we are dealing with facts here, a supporting reference to the above statement would be appreciated.




        LOL, you don't have an easy case to argue there, trying to convince large and growing numbers of people making their livings this way about that perspective.

        I am afraid I do have a valid case to put forward here, despite your opinions to the contrary. There is no absolute truth in any topic of discourse, and this is no exception.



        Not people who understand that "duplicate content" and "syndicated content" are two totally different things. And not people who are making their living that way. Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing

        Syndication and duplication are not different within the narrow context of discourse we are having here. Yes in actual fact syndication should really hold summaries of the main article source and not the full content. However, we are talking about syndicating published articles in directories, and how it is done in the real world. In the real world, which you have mentioned in this forum a number of times, it is certainly taking published articles from the article directories and publishing them verbatim elsewhere. So yes those republished articles or syndicated articles are duplicates, whether you agree with it or not.


        These threads are weird.

        The comments from all the people saying "Ezine Articles is dead, for me: I can't get decent traffic that way any more" are like threads in a classical music forum debating the merits of a pound of apples from the supermarket, with a whole succession of people posting saying "Well, I don't know: if you ask me, these apples are damn all use for anything: they can't play the Beethoven piano concerto, they can't play the Stravinsky violin concerto and they can't even play Barber's cello concerto ... I've been doing this for 3 years and I'm telling you I can't get a tune out of those suckers at all." If you try to use something for totally the wrong purpose, for a purpose for which they never came into existence to fulfil in the first place, for a purpose they never claimed to serve, for a purpose unconnected with what they're aimed at, then guess what: they're not going to be much use to you, are they?!

        As much as I disagree with the OP I do understand and appreciate the diverse view held by many. It would be a very sad place if we all held the same views.




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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

          you are absolutely incorrect to believe that Ezine does not get direct traffic apart from what it gets from the search engine.


          I didn't say that, Anthony. :rolleyes:

          Do pay attention, dear. :p

          It gets all sorts of other traffic, too. Researchers, marketers, vendors, publishers, webmasters, and others involved in the industry. Those people aren't customers, though. But that's not a problem: nobody with their full complement of braincells would want their customers coming to them through EZA.

          Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

          What do you mean by "it is up to you whether you want them coming from Google to your site or EZAs sites". As long as you choose to publish your article on EZA, you have no control on what Google chooses to do with the search traffic.


          You may not. I do.

          (Don't look now, but there are reasons for that, and they're explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ries-work.html ).

          Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

          I didn’t put you down as one that considered a backlink from Ezine as worth anything.


          I didn't say it was worth anything.

          I said "hardly beneficial at all apart from a relevant backlink" when something is syndicated from EZA to a niche site with no traffic.

          Do pay attention, dear. :p

          Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

          You have stated on many occasions how worthless those backlinks are so not sure why that should come into any consideration


          It came "into consideration" because someone asked what the benefit was of having your article syndicated from EZA to niche sites with very little traffic or no traffic. And I answered that question, by saying it was "hardly beneficial at all apart from the relevant backlink" (i.e. on the niche sites to which it might be syndicated, even if they have no traffic).

          It's simply factual.

          Do pay attention, dear. :p

          Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

          I am sorry this is just opinions and speculations


          Yeah, yeah, yeah ... tell my bank manager that.

          Tell all the others here who are filling threads explaining how they're finally starting to earn money from article marketing, now they understand how syndication works.
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  • Profile picture of the author patrickwagner
    They have created some amazing ways to share your articles but with the Google update, they are just a source for duplicate content.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Originally Posted by patrickwagner View Post

      They have created some amazing ways to share your articles but with the Google update, they are just a source for duplicate content.
      Can you explain to me your definition of duplicate content and which Google update you are talking about that somehow changed what duplicate content is?
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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        Look... there is no question that money can be made, traffic can be gotten by writing articles and publishing them to EZA and other article directories. I know because I've done it before.

        Ten articles a day submitted to 10 - 12 article directories with a resource box linking to a cloaked affiliate links (301 redirect) can work.. althoug EZA checks links and they might boot your article back at you for one of many different reasons.

        Anyhow! It can be done. It has been done. It can make you money. Is it a sustainable business model? Not really in my book. I got burnt out from doing this after a while. I would get writers block and not be able to write a coherent article for a week or more. Sales would suffer and I'd kick myself in the ass and make myself write again to keep from going under. It was not an option not to write.

        The point is that there are easier ways. It is not a question of whether or not it will work to publish articles to EZA. It is just a pain in the a$$ and you WILL get burnt out.

        I know there was a guy one the forum that used this as his business model and he proudly thumped his chest that he could churn out a 300 - 350 word article in 15 minutes or some crap. He did ten articles a day and was making $1400 a month. He ain't around anymore and I assume that he crashed and burned somewhere along the way to "ramping things up".

        Everyone can do what they want. Run your business how you see fit. It really doesn't affect me. This is why I hadn't been posting much over the past few months. I needed to focus on myself and my business. Just know that there is a ton of bad information out there by people who wish to appear to be authorities on any given aspect of traffic generation. There ARE a few people on this forum that really know their stuff... even better than me... much better than me! Try their stuff out and see for yourself... take their advice and see what happens...

        As far as duplicate content... sorry, I've built blogs and loaded them with free PLR scheduled to publish to my site at a rate of one post every 12 hours or so along with a smattering of my own unique content. The site got great traffic and had a PR of 3 before I used to like a whor3 to join a blog network to try to get some decent backlinks to another site that I was working on so... my experience doesn't come from the Google blog or something that I read on a forum. It comes from my own work and testing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          By the way, as you can see from posts like this, Google are going to some lengths, at the moment, to confirm to people that syndicated content is NOT a form of duplicate content (as one or two people have been known to allege for reasons of their own).
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    • Profile picture of the author hotboy18
      I don't see as much traffic as I use to from my articles on EzineArticles but I still get great backlinks and I write to other article directories for maximum exposure. I also found that putting my articles on my own site have gotten my great rankings and writing press releases with my targeted keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Bragagnolo
    I still like using article marketing as one tool, but one that is not as important as it used to be. A keyword optimized article on your blog first, then send it to the directories...it's just another way of having your name / brand out there.
    Plus it takes such little time to "toss it up there" so why not?
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    I still believe of EZA. I don't care Panda judge it. About this changes I think I like it.
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    Duplicate Content = EZA is Dead Threads on the Warrior Forum
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      We must be desperate for conversation today considering the number of old threads being bumped in the past few hours. Do some of them deserve to be seen? Sure, they do - but not necessarily re-discussed every couple of months.

      "let me tell you again"....what I told you a month ago, six months ago, etc....just ain't scintillatin' :p
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      • Profile picture of the author JB Jiles
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        We must be desperate for conversation today considering the number of old threads being bumped in the past few hours. Do some of them deserve to be seen? Sure, they do - but not necessarily re-discussed every couple of months.

        "let me tell you again"....what I told you a month ago, six months ago, etc....just ain't scintillatin' :p
        No, really, who doesn't want to read about how one site on the Internet works every single day?! Who also doesn't want to read what the definition of an article directory is every day as well?? I know I do! I love repetition! It sure beats reading the Terms of Service and doing research of my own! I need to rely on others' views, interpretations and such! And from the same people each day! People need something to do and sell, you know?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by 797979 View Post

      When my article was excepted (2 days period) i got about 20 clicks to my website. Now - the same article gives me about 2 clicks. I started to think that ezinearticles not working anymore ! Maybe i was right ?
      Not working "for you" - right about that.

      That's because you're trying to use it for the wrong purpose.

      It isn't there to send you traffic. It doesn't work that way. Article directories are not a source of potential customer traffic in their own right. There's nothing new about that.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ries-work.html
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  • Profile picture of the author rushpcb
    Yeah! I think after panda update this type of article submit site like, ezine, hubpages and create squidoo lenses are waste of time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by rushpcb View Post

      this type of article submit site like, ezine, hubpages and create squidoo lenses
      "This type"?!

      Those are totally different types.

      One is an article directory. The other two aren't.

      That's why they have completely different purposes, functions and uses.
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  • Profile picture of the author anthonyb
    Its a shame I am unable to reply back directly to your post Alexa. However go back and reread your prior posts, and pay careful attention to your comments. Your latest post has made a number of alterations to your initial positions; I cannot begin to address them all as it would take too much of my time.

    The one thing to say to you my dear, is I understand what it is like to be young and feel I know it all. Believe me when I say I do understand.


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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

      Your latest post has made a number of alterations to your initial positions
      It has made no alterations to them, dear boy. As you can see throughout the forum, I've been saying exactly the same things for a couple of years. The only change has been that since the so-called Panda updates, I've understandably been saying them a little bit a fortiori.

      You just misunderstood, as we all saw when you expressed your surprise that I was (as you wrongly imagined) saying that a backlink in EZA was worth having. As you can see, if you read my post instead of criticising it, I didn't say that.

      Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

      I cannot begin to address them all as it would take too much of my time.
      How inconvenient ...
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      • Profile picture of the author anthonyb
        You have my dear


        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        It has made no alterations to them, dear boy. As you can see throughout the forum, I've been saying exactly the same things for a couple of years. The only change has been that since the so-called Panda updates, I've understandably been saying them a little bit a fortiori.

        Look at the statements to which i was responding to:

        Ezine Articles is not the source of that traffic.

        Bear in mind it was a response to my prior statement of Ezine A being a good source of traffic. So could you explain what this statement mean then? Oh dear we are spinning in circles hear my dear


        You just misunderstood, as we all saw when you expressed your surprise that I was (as you wrongly imagined) saying that a backlink in EZA was worth having. As you can see, if you read my post instead of criticising it, I didn't say that.

        Hardly beneficial at all, apart from a relevant backlink.

        This is the length and breadth of your statement. I will try and make it as clear as I possibly can my darling. You do not get the academic, professional, and business achievements; I have attained in life, without paying attention to the finer details, my dear girl.

        How inconvenient ...

        It not really, when you get a little older you will understand my dear child.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by anthonyb

          Bear in mind it was a response to my prior statement of Ezine A being a good source of traffic. So could you explain what this statement mean then?
          Yes.

          You failed - as many people do, and this is the point - to differentiate between "traffic coming from EZA" and "traffic coming to EZA from Google, a proportion of which may then go on to your site.

          Two different groups of people read articles in article directories. One group are publishers, researchers, ezine owners, webmasters, marketers and other people in the trade. These people search inside EZA but are not potential customers.

          The other group, whom you also considered to be lumped in as "EZA traffic", are not EZA traffic in the same sense at all: they actually arise in search engines and go to EZA to read an article they've already found linked to in Google, if you've been careless enough with your article marketing to allow them to find that copy rather than the one on your own site.

          We understand how you got that so wrong, from the way you then went on to say that you can't control which copy they find in Google. That's wrong, of course. You can control that, and that's exactly what article marketers do. And if you read this thread, you'll find 30 or 40 of them explaining how and why they can control that.

          Originally Posted by anthonyb

          Hardly beneficial at all, apart from a relevant backlink.
          This is the length and breadth of your statement
          Exactly so. That comment was replying to someone who asked what the benefit was in being syndicated from EZA to a site with very little traffic. My answer was (and is) that it's hardly beneficial at all, except that you do get a relevant backlink out of it, of course (from the site to which your work was syndicated, obviously - not from EZA itself!).

          We see that you thought I was saying that it was the EZA backlink itself that was beneficial, but you were just mistaken about that, as you'll see for yourself if you read my post again rather than just the few out-of-context words you chose to quote.

          And that was it, really.

          Apart from the little attempted wriggle where you chose to try to make out that I'd contradicted myself, rather than just saying "Oh, sorry - I see what you mean, then", or something similar, as anyone else would have done.

          Congratulations on your academic achievements, though.
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          • Profile picture of the author JB Jiles
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            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            We understand how you got that so wrong ... We see that you thought I was saying.
            Did you just come out of committee prior to posting this?

            Interesting tactic of the use of "we" in your post.

            Social proofed!

            Get on board or get drowned out!

            I believe in the power of numbers!
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by JB Jiles View Post

              Did you just come out of committee prior to posting this?
              LOL ... no, I just came fresh from reading a few very entertaining p.m.'s from people who obviously shared my own sense of slightly macabre "amused fascination" at a couple of the misunderstandings made above.

              Originally Posted by JB Jiles View Post

              Social proofed!
              Is that so? Yes, perhaps ...
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  • Profile picture of the author anthonyb
    yes.

    You failed - as many people do, and this is the point - to differentiate between "traffic coming from EZA" and "traffic coming to EZA from Google, a proportion of which may then go on to your site.

    How did you arrive at that conclusion from my statement " Ezine A is a good source of traffic." Oh dear, your argument has no logic I am afraid.

    Two different groups of people read articles in article directories. One group are publishers, researchers, ezine owners, webmasters, marketers and other people in the trade. These people search inside EZA but are not potential customers.

    Waoh, I am glad you have sat there monitoring what each individual do on article directories. I suppose you have a Phd in it don't you.[


    The other group, whom you also considered to be lumped in as "EZA traffic", are not EZA traffic in the same sense at all: they actually arise in search engines and go to EZA to read an article they've already found linked to in Google, if you've been careless enough with your article marketing to allow them to find that copy rather than the one on your own site.

    This is incredible so you have decided to tell me what I was thinking, even though i certainly made no statement to that effect. Come down to earth dear, no telepathic manoeuvres here, stick to statements and facts please.

    We understand how you got that so wrong, from the way you then went on to say that you can't control which copy they find in Google. That's wrong, of course. You can control that, and that's exactly what article marketers do. And if you read this thread, you'll find 30 or 40 of them explaining how and why they can control that.

    Nope incorrect again my dear, this was a reply to your absurd statement of traffic directed by Google, and I made it as clear as possible in my reply to your statement. Go back and read it. Phew stick to facts and statements dear

    Exactly so. That comment was replying to someone who asked what the benefit was in being syndicated from EZA to a site with very little traffic. My answer was (and is) that it's hardly beneficial at all, except that you do get a relevant backlink out of it, of course (from the site to which your work was syndicated, obviously - not from EZA itself!).

    Strange- You are replying to someone that is not part of the conversation you and I are having. It’s getting very weird.

    We see that you thought I was saying that it was the EZA backlink itself that was beneficial, but you were just mistaken about that, as you'll see for yourself if you read my post again rather than just the few out-of-context words you chose to quote.

    And that was it, really.

    Apart from the little attempted wriggle where you chose to try to make out that I'd contradicted myself, rather than just saying "Oh, sorry - I see what you mean, then", or something similar, as anyone else would have done. [IMG]

    Nope I did not think anything contrary to your statement. Go and read your comment. I am unable to get into your mind and guess what you are thinking. I can only deal with facts my dear, and I suggest you do the same.

    Congratulations on your academic achievements, though. [IMG]
    Hey that’s the nicest thing you've said to me all day, thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by anthonyb View Post

      Strange- You are replying to someone that is not part of the conversation you and I are having. It’s getting very weird.
      Not so weird, actually: it was a reply of mine to someone else's specific question that you originally "quoted". You just hadn't realised what question it was answering, and misunderstood it. So, I appreciate that it seemed a little confusing/weird to you, but I'd actually already done that before your post - sorry about that.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    I think it's common knowledge that Ezine Articles got WRECKED by Google. There are those who will still tell you it's as good aqs it ever was, and IMO, those people are either in denial or delusional.

    Now, can we PLEASE stop starting threads about it. Find another way to generate traffic that works if Ezine Articles isn't doing it for you...
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSEOWizard
    Is ezinearticles backlinks working well for anyone. I have never used EZA for traffic but for quality backlinks. Normally after an article or two with backlinks/anchor texts to my websites it used to rank at least in Google top 100 or top 200. But it does not seem to work that well anymore for me. I make mostly quality information sites updated periodically and not just random autoblogs or affiliate sites. Even for those sites, after submitting and getting two quality original articles approved in EZA, it is not even entering into top 200 of Google at times though EZA still works ok with Yahoo and Bing. Something is really wrong with EZA backlinks nowadays it seems and it has been the case especially in the last 2-3 months that the backlinks are not helping in SEO either. I pay writers for 100% original articles for EZA submission and so, it is not duplicate content either. Even EZA backlinks seem to have lost its value in Google. How are you guys working on SEO nowadays. AMR is even worse and deindexes sites at times. So, are other automated tools. At least, I hoped that quality and manual backlinks such as EZA article backlinks would never be devalued that badly but it seems that is also the case. A bit confused on how to go ahead with SEO without messing up anything. Most of the SEO things are not working anymore and it seems either webmasters need to work off their arse for a few cents and dollars. Otherwise only the big brands and the already established websites are working ok. My recent projects are hardly moving ahead and I am sure many are probably facing the same situation in terms of SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Is ezinearticles backlinks working well for anyone. I have never used EZA for traffic but for quality backlinks.
      Ezine Articles itself isn't doing much in the way of backlinks anymore. Your best bet at some good link juice would be from a reputable website that finds your work on EZA and publishes it on their site.


      Normally after an article or two with backlinks/anchor texts to my websites it used to rank at least in Google top 100 or top 200. But it does not seem to work that well anymore for me.
      Apparently, EZA backlinks are PR-0, so they alone are not going to do much for your rankings.


      I make mostly quality information sites updated periodically and not just random autoblogs or affiliate sites. Even for those sites, after submitting and getting two quality original articles approved in EZA, it is not even entering into top 200 of Google at times though EZA still works ok with Yahoo and Bing.
      As stated above. Using the directory itself for SEO purposes isn't going to net you much these days.

      ...and deleted the rest of the text since it was the same questions over and over. EzineArticles should not be used for SEO purposes (the website itself I mean. If you are looking to gain backlinks through syndication, then you have a shot).
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      • Profile picture of the author TheSEOWizard
        Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

        Ezine Articles itself isn't doing much in the way of backlinks anymore. Your best bet at some good link juice would be from a reputable website that finds your work on EZA and publishes it on their site.
        Thanks for the reply. So, it seems to be the case with most people where EZA is not working well itself in terms of SEO. To be honest, I only see lots of leechers ripping off my EZA articles almost on the same day that I publish but hardly any of them leave backlinks to EZA. At least in the last one or two years, I find more leechers using EZA articles WITHOUT leaving any backlinks to the articles rather than actual reputable websites with due credit. So, there is not much luck in that too nowadays it seems.

        Apparently, EZA backlinks are PR-0, so they alone are not going to do much for your rankings.
        PR is not the only factor in SEO. Website/Domain authority and relevant links also matters a lot. And I can say that from experience. EZA had massive authority in the past due to which a couple of backlinks easily entered in the top 100 or at times in the top 20 of Google. It still works for Bing and Yahoo. But it seems that it is not much of an authority site anymore in terms of SEO for Google. Anyways would need to find other ways for quality backlinks but it seems offisite SEO is only becoming more and more limited with time. Most SEO methods have already lost or are losing their power with time. IM would also become less effective as affiliate sites are being kicked by each Panda update it seems. So, it ain't becoming easier for any normal webmaster. Only brands are becoming bigger and have gained the most with the updates. Most of us are already established with old sites which are not much effected. But I am worried about how would webmasters even emerge or enter in such a problematic scenario.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
    Hey it's traffic and that's always good.
    Google is clearly trying to weed out poor websites that offer users little in the way of quality.
    But they sure as hell messed up with Panda.

    Anyway re the original point. Ezineand articles in general are still an important part of the mix. And if you can get eyes on your content that always has to be a good thing.

    But they shouldn't be relied on for traffic generation. Never have been, never will be...
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    • Profile picture of the author TheSEOWizard
      Originally Posted by PeckhamPirate View Post

      Hey it's traffic and that's always good.
      Google is clearly trying to weed out poor websites that offer users little in the way of quality.
      But they sure as hell messed up with Panda.

      Anyway re the original point. Ezineand articles in general are still an important part of the mix. And if you can get eyes on your content that always has to be a good thing.

      But they shouldn't be relied on for traffic generation. Never have been, never will be...

      No I never looked at EZA for traffic generation but only for quality backlinks and thereby SEO. But the power of EZA backlinks seems to have massively reduced in recent times from my experiments. I would probably keep it in the mix but it is not much powerful on its own anymore it seems. It was quite powerful in the past from my own experiments. Quality is not a problem with most of my websites as I only use original articles and even when I pay writers I make sure to check copyscape and check properly before publishing. And the websites are updated quite often too. Running different SEO tests but most things are messed up with time it seems especially for newer sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wiz Khalifa
    Yes, I noticed less and less traffic. You shouldn't really hope to get traffic from the directory itself, just optimize your articles better.
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  • Profile picture of the author yugoscontent
    EZA is not dead. In fact its much better now for those who are using it for the original purposes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
    Just look at the facts and the truth shall set you free.

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

      Just look at the facts and the truth shall set you free.

      ezinearticles.com 4,988,702 UVs for November 2011 | Compete

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Yes.

      You failed - as many people do, and this is the point - to differentiate between "traffic coming from EZA" and "traffic coming to EZA from Google, a proportion of which may then go on to your site.

      Frankly, I love Navneet Panda, although I have never met him. Many of my articles which were ranking near the bottom of the first page of Google (because I don't understand SEO, and don't write for SEO) are now ranked in the top three links for their "keywords".

      So now, I'm getting more traffic from Google than I was before, even though I never really aimed for it, and was going for syndication all along... I've noticed that the Google traffic doesn't convert nearly as well as syndicated traffic, but hey,

      Originally Posted by PeckhamPirate View Post

      ...if you can get eyes on your content that always has to be a good thing.


      As for EZA's quality of life, well Chris Knight seems to be a pretty sharp guy, and quite frankly the cream will always rise to the top, and they are the best of the article directories. I'm not sure how much they actually made with AdSense, but my guess is that they are still making solid income-- or at least paying their bills-- from those of us who buy the Premium service and the deck of template cards and all the other silly but cool stuff they offer from time to time.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Never really did great with ezines anyways except for backlinking. Oh I have thousands of views but tracking the sales just not that good.
    Everything changes month to month and year to year. Same as with .net domains, I have seen them falling lower on the serps and .coms and .orgs still doing good. I never put all my eggs in one basket, or I never do it anymore. Lesson's come hard.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aha moment
    I think EZA is still great for backlinks and visitors ... don't trust 100% on people's post telling you that EZA and other article directories are penalized by google after panda update... that's not entirely true.
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  • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
    I don't think ezine is dead. It is far from that. Panda did affect it, but it's getting back, and by tightening the noose on quality it has started to dodge Panda
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  • Profile picture of the author autumnsmith
    I find @Alexa Smith and AnniePot true and very helpful... the way they stated their comments enlighten my insights about article marketing. There comes a point when the importance of these article directories are exaggerated too much so people easily go crazy when something goes wrong with these sites. However, it is undeniable that people could still benefit from the opportunity they give/provide.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrislangley
    The SEO game in regards to article directories has certainly changed, even Ezine has now raised their bar on what they will accept, many are having their articles declined and the reasons are cryptical
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    • Profile picture of the author TheSEOWizard
      Originally Posted by chrislangley View Post

      The SEO game in regards to article directories has certainly changed, even Ezine has now raised their bar on what they will accept, many are having their articles declined and the reasons are cryptical

      The problem is not their bar on quality has raised. Normally with a higher quality requirement, you would expect them to give better results. But they are becoming insignificant in terms of SEO. After paying loads of writers and getting lot of approvals even after the substantially higher bar of ezinearticles it is hardly giving any SEO benefits to my websites or my client's websites. EZA backlinks were very powerful till 2010 for sure but after the Panda updates, the backlinks seem to be almost neglected by Google even though the quality of the articles at EZA have increased. I can confirm that as I have been testing it out extensively in the last few months and only bing is still somewhat effective with ezinearticles backlinks. Google especially and to some extent Yahoo also seems to have dumped EZA backlinks in their SEO factors.

      In today's date, submitting loads of original articles to EZA would only benefit the owners of the directory and not your respective websites. I doubt it would even benefit them as their traffic is also on a massive decline even after their strict quality requirements. This is sad in a way as that would mean that Google is now stopping white hat SEO methods as a whole. Directory backlinks were devalued earlier, then low quality article directories were devalued and now, high quality article directories are also devalued in their search ranking algorithms. EZA was one of the most genuine white hat SEO left. So, now it seems people are now indirectly forced to leave whitehat SEO and invent new methods to rank their websites higher. Sad but true.
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  • Profile picture of the author Osman_M
    Yeah I have not seen an ezine property on the first page of google for a while now. Just use for backlinking and always diversify, your backlinks, traffic and income no matter what.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      For over a decade, EZA has consistently been invaluable to me for gaining new syndicated outlets every week. None of my sites have ever ranked in any of my niches, but ask me if I'm even the least bit concerned.
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  • Profile picture of the author rahulr
    Ezine article is getting less traffic and would continue to decrease in future.Google like niche target website but ezine articles is a collection of loose niches.What we got to do is build our own websites and write targeted articles related to our niche.This way we can become an authority website in our niche.

    Ezine article is dead = where does the niche traffic go ??? -Its now the right time to get writing quality articles to our niche websites to rank for the keywords ezine article lost.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulpower
    If EZA were dead, then why are they still getting so many people submitting their articles? Also, as Alexa said, first ensure your article is published on your blog first, then submit to EZA, as you will get new people who will syndicate your articles for you.

    Traffic wise, EZA is useful, but not the force people have ever thought, and as a final thought, if you use one method of traffic generation, then you will soon see that avenue dry up, so look for more ways to generate traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
    There has been a reduction but it still brings in great traffic and the amount of positions I move up on Google.com after five new live ezinearticles is amazing.
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