Can Clickbank Gravity be Faked?

15 years ago

I am almost wondering if it sounds like someone is trying to promote another users product on CB. I am sure that CB's Policy doesn't allow this, but that is very strange. Which product is it?

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Harvey Segal

15 years ago

One possibility is that the high gravity page is a landing page for affiliates
while the low gravity page is mainly used by the publisher

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JustVisiting

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

One possibility is that the high gravity page is a landing page for affiliates
while the low gravity page is mainly used by the publisher

Harvey

==>> The following explanation could save Clickbank merchants $$$

Suppose one account gives a 75% cut to affiliates while the other account offers the minimum 5%.

The merchant promotes the product from their own site, email list etc.. using the account offering the 5% commission. Why? The reason is if someone is looking to steal the commission by substituting their own hoplink they will probably first check how much they stand to gain. If they see only 5% they are far less likely to steal

Genuine affiliates who actually spend time and effort (and money) promoting the product would use the 75% account.

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Eric Lorence 15 years ago

One way I've heard of is to create multiple affiliate accounts- all promoting your own product.
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winebuddy

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JustVisiting

==>> The following explanation could save Clickbank merchants $$$

Suppose one account gives a 75% cut to affiliates while the other account offers the minimum 5%.

The merchant promotes the product from their own site, email list etc.. using the account offering the 5% commission. Why? The reason is if someone is looking to steal the commission by substituting their own hoplink they will probably first check how much they stand to gain. If they see only 5% they are far less likely to steal

Genuine affiliates who actually spend time and effort (and money) promoting the product would use the 75% account.

Now that's a GREAT idea!

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JustVisiting 15 years ago

Originally Posted by winebuddy

Now that's a GREAT idea!

Thanks Winebuddy

I did think twice about posting this information.
Perhaps I should have written this as a free report - in return for opting-in to my list...
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- Jason Fenty 15 years ago
  
  This can be done by opening a new account and promoting your product as an affiliate.
  
  Gravity is more dependent on the INDIVIDUAL sales from INDIVIDUAL affiliates.
  
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Chris Lockwood

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JustVisiting

==>> The following explanation could save Clickbank merchants $$$

Suppose one account gives a 75% cut to affiliates while the other account offers the minimum 5%.

The merchant promotes the product from their own site, email list etc.. using the account offering the 5% commission. Why? The reason is if someone is looking to steal the commission by substituting their own hoplink they will probably first check how much they stand to gain. If they see only 5% they are far less likely to steal

Genuine affiliates who actually spend time and effort (and money) promoting the product would use the 75% account.

I think that would cost me sales as a merchant, when affiliates see 5% commission and just assume I'm cheap, not that I have another account with the same product paying 75%. I know if I saw 5%, I would think that's what it pays and not even think they may have another account.

Wouldn't it be likely that some people on my list are potential affiliates who will only see the 5% and thus not promote?

Or they promote for 5%, then find out later they could have made 75%.

You seem way too confident that the "good" affiliates will all find the 75% and the "bad" ones won't.

Why 5%? Why not 0%?

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JustVisiting

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood

I think that would cost me sales as a merchant, when affiliates see 5% commission and just assume I'm cheap, not that I have another account with the same product paying 75%. I know if I saw 5%, I would think that's what it pays and not even think they may have another account.

This strategy is to sell the product at full price, not to recruit affiliates.

Some big CB merchants use a similar approach with JV launches.
They do everything possible to hide the link...cloaking for example.

Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood

Wouldn't it be likely that some people on my list are potential affiliates who will only see the 5% and thus not promote?

Or they promote for 5%, then find out later they could have made 75%.

You seem way too confident that the "good" affiliates will all find the 75% and the "bad" ones won't.

I don't think any savvy affiliate would promote a product for 5% commission.
Initially the idea is to sell the product and not pay affiliate commissions...except perhaps through JV partners.

A merchant can always follow up with the affiliate offer at a later date.

Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood

Why 5%? Why not 0%?

Clickbank will not allow 0%
One of Clickbank's rules for registering a product for sale with them is the merchant offers a minimum affiliate commission of 1% to an affiliate.

This I would think is aimed at merchants who want to only sell their products themselves for whatever reason. A 'spin-off' is that it perhaps discourages commission theft by those that receive promotional emails and then buy the product after substituting their own ID.

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Eric Lorence 15 years ago

Interesting concept...

Offer the same CB product at different commissions.

The low commission version will be easy to find when searched for- usually by those looking for a discount.

The higher payout version with a cryptic description, and not easy to find by "discounters"...
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Chris Lockwood 15 years ago

Originally Posted by JustVisiting

This strategy is to sell the product at full price, not to recruit affiliates.

So what is the point of another account paying 75% for the same product?
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- JustVisiting 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood
  
  So what is the point of another account paying 75% for the same product?
  
  Here's why, and this is an amendment to my original post - My thanks to Harvey,Segal
  
  Suppose one account gives a 75% cut to affiliates while the other account is not in the marketplace so is at 0%
  
  The merchant promotes the product from their own site, email list etc.. using the account offering the 0% commission. = The merchant gets the full price because there is no commission theft possible.
  
  Recruited affiliates who actually spend time and effort (and money) promoting the product would use the 75% account.
  
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patJ

15 years ago

No idea why there are 2 similiar products by the same person but yes.. it is very possible to inflate your gravity. This can be done by opening a new account and promoting your product as an affiliate.

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garyv

15 years ago

I use a script to help inflate my own gravity on new products. I give the script away for free in my signature if you want to give it a go. - It's not blackhat. It's fully within clickbank's rules.

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James Liberty

15 years ago

Originally Posted by patJ

No idea why there are 2 similiar products by the same person but yes.. it is very possible to inflate your gravity. This can be done by opening a new account and promoting your product as an affiliate.

But you'd still have to make sales, right?

Originally Posted by garyv

I use a script to help inflate my own gravity on new products.

You're scaring me. :p

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TiffanyLambert

15 years ago

Originally Posted by James Legacy

But you'd still have to make sales, right?

Yes, and they do. Many of them sign up for many affiliate IDs. When they blast their own list, they do it in portions - or when they link in other places, they use various IDs.

I thought it was shady when one of them first told me about it.
Still do

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Harvey Segal

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JustVisiting

Clickbank will not allow 0%
One of Clickbank's rules for registering a product for sale with them is
the merchant offers a minimum affiliate commission of 1% to an affiliate.

That is not correct.
You don't have to offer any commission.

What you may be thinking of is that if you have an
existing account paying commission you are not
allowed to reduce it to 0%, the minimum is 1%

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Harvey Segal

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

That is not correct.
You don't have to offer any commission.

What you may be thinking of is that if you have an
existing account paying commission you are not
allowed to reduce it to 0%, the minimum is 1%

Harvey

Just to clarify this.
If you do want a 0% commission you cannot
have your product in the Marketplace.

So the original statement would have read correctly as

"One of Clickbank's rules for registering a product for sale
in the Marketplace..."

Harvey

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JustVisiting

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

Just to clarify this.
If you do want a 0% commission you cannot
have your product in the Marketplace.

So the original statement would have read correctly as

"One of Clickbank's rules for registering a product for sale
in the Marketplace..."

Harvey

Thanks for clarifying.

I always think of all CB registered products showing in the Marketplace.

The option of not having the product appear at all in the Marketplace is even better for Merchants who use this dual registration strategy.

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Chris Lockwood 15 years ago

Originally Posted by JustVisiting

I always think of all CB registered products showing in the Marketplace.

LOL- that's so far off, no wonder you're so confused.
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- JustVisiting 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood
  
  LOL- that's so far off, no wonder you're so confused.
  
  It's a long time since I registered a product with CB.
  
  However, there is no confusion regarding the strategy behind this technique.
  
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cashflow08

15 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

I use a script to help inflate my own gravity on new products. I give the script away for free in my signature if you want to give it a go. - It's not blackhat. It's fully within clickbank's rules.

that's awesome I'll try it out. thanks bud

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Franck Silvestre

15 years ago

Yes, it can be manipulated, faked.

It also works the other way. I have a product on clickbank that sells like crazy (%10+ conversions via JV), but a tiny gravity on clickbank.

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TonyG2160 15 years ago

So...if CB's gravity cannot really be trusted...is there a reliable way "guesstimate" the popularity of a CB product other than research outside of CB itself?

Also, now that I've mentioned it...can anyone clearly explain the difference in "gravity" and "popularity"? :confused:
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- Harvey Segal 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TonyG2160
  
  Also, now that I've mentioned it...can anyone clearly explain the difference in "gravity" and "popularity"? :confused:
  
  Popularity, which determines your ranking (position) in the ClickBank Marketplace,
  is derived from a number of factors. Gravity is one of them.
  
  Other factors include net affiliate earnings per sale, rate of commission,
  percentage of sales by affiliates.
  
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LEAPresearch 15 years ago

Has anyone tried this concept with CBNB software yet? Outcome?
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