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13 years ago

Hi Tony!

They're not a myth; they still exist but are on the endangered species list ;-)

Oh, and they'll cost you a not insignificant chunk of change.

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tpw 13 years ago

Originally Posted by vtotheyouknow

Hi Tony!

They're not a myth; they still exist but are on the endangered species list ;-)

Oh, and they'll cost you a not insignificant chunk of change.

Agreed.

When I was still writing for clients myself, I charged a minimum of $95 an article.

A couple years ago, I stopped writing for others myself.

These days, I have partnered with one of my former competitors to be able to offer ghost writing again. I have his team of editors and writers working with me, to ensure that my customers are taken care of.
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13 years ago

Yep, you get what you pay for...bottom line.

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Rough Outline 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mac the Knife

Yep, you get what you pay for...bottom line.

Agreed, pay peanuts and you get monkeys.
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- Cali16 13 years ago
  
  Tony, yes, they exist. However, every time I see a thread like this I cringe a bit because the term "quality" is extremely subjective and essentially meaningless. There are many people who've said in various threads that they get "high quality" content for $5 an article, while others scoff and say that's not very likely because "you get what you pay for". Some argue that you can't get high quality content for less than $50 to $100+ (per 500 words). So, it really depends on how you define "quality" (and how much you are willing to pay for it).
  
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- scsheldon33 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Rough Outline
  
  Agreed, pay peanuts and you get monkeys.
  
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belegeuseman

13 years ago

Quality Content Writers aren't a myth they are out there, but you must be willing to pay a little for the quality. You kind of get what you paid for on the Internet. Before you invest in any writer, you may want to check to see their previous work.

That's just my two cents on that. I also like to write my own stuff. I have hired content writers before but sometimes I find myself going over them, which wastes my time and money and defeats why I hired them in the first place.

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LegitIncomes

13 years ago

They aren't a myth at all...I use them myself.

HOWEVER, you do "get what you pay for", and for a GOOD/HIGH QUALITY writer, expect to pay $15-$20 PER 400 words....and this is on the LOW END on the scale. $40 per 400 words is not uncommon.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tony Fox

If you use someone that is great at writing and able to add a personality please recommend me to him or her.

James is a very good content writer. I've suggested his services to several Warriors recently and everyone's been happy. I think his prices are probably from something around $0.04 per word but he really should increase them. How busy he is, of course, is another matter altogether: the best writers here do get booked up.

That said, there are many other good writers here, and I intend no offense to anyone else by not mentioning them!

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Miguelito203

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tony Fox

Hi guys,

I was wondering if any of you are using quality content writers? Not the ones that write up anything to post anywhere but ones that you could have come from a hard copy book from amazon.

I used one a long time ago who wrote awesome stuff but I lost his details. Now I have used some of the bigger content writers here and I said that I wanted QUALITY but I get poor work with instructions that was inaccurate and incomplete and just plain confusing.

If you use someone that is great at writing and able to add a personality please recommend me to him or her.

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You might wanna check out Tiffany Dow (fellow Warrior) or her mother, Beverly Granberg, who I also believe is a fellow Warrior.

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13 years ago

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Originally Posted by Tony Fox

Hi guys,

I was wondering if any of you are using quality content writers? Not the ones that write up anything to post anywhere but ones that you could have come from a hard copy book from amazon.

I used one a long time ago who wrote awesome stuff but I lost his details. Now I have used some of the bigger content writers here and I said that I wanted QUALITY but I get poor work with instructions that was inaccurate and incomplete and just plain confusing.

If you use someone that is great at writing and able to add a personality please recommend me to him or her.

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seoguru1

13 years ago

good high quality content writers are not hard to find...

Finding people willing to pay for good quality content is

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Nate Simms

13 years ago

I consider myself of the highest quality of writers.

... many Warriors can attest to that.

Unfortunately, the majority of people on WF cannot afford (or are not willing to pay) the premium price for my services.

As many have already said: you get what you pay for.

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timpears

13 years ago

Originally Posted by NateSimms

I consider myself of the highest quality of writers.

... many Warriors can attest to that.

Unfortunately, the majority of people on WF cannot afford (or are not willing to pay) the premium price for my services.

As many have already said: you get what you pay for.

So tell me Nate, what is one of your articles going to do for me (on my blog) that a lesser quality article will not? Are your articles going to get people to start clicking on my AdSense ads, or get my articles higher in Google SERP? I am really curious how spending $20 or more on an article is going to put more money into my pocket. And bottom line, that is what it comes down to. Unless your article can generate more income for me, what would be the point.

I hope that this didn't sound rude. I have wondered this for some time as I have heard this banter about you get what you pay for, where articles are concerned. I have never quite understood it. I know you get what you pay for, but all I want is for people to click on my ads. I could care less if they don't even read my article, if they click on my ads.

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drmani 13 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

I could care less if they don't even read my article, if they click on my ads.

So you NEED a 'quality' writer - a BAD quality writer... so the content
won't distract your readers from the ads

Just kidding!

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- tpw 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by drmani
  
  So you NEED a 'quality' writer - a BAD quality writer... so the content
  won't distract your readers from the ads
  
  Just kidding!
  
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

So tell me Nate, what is one of your articles going to do for me (on my blog) that a lesser quality article will not? Are your articles going to get people to start clicking on my AdSense ads, or get my articles higher in Google SERP? I am really curious how spending $20 or more on an article is going to put more money into my pocket. And bottom line, that is what it comes down to. Unless your article can generate more income for me, what would be the point.

I hope that this didn't sound rude. I have wondered this for some time as I have heard this banter about you get what you pay for, where articles are concerned. I have never quite understood it. I know you get what you pay for, but all I want is for people to click on my ads. I could care less if they don't even read my article, if they click on my ads.

The thing is, Tim, there is a difference between experienced quality writers and those at the lower end of the scale. Writers do not all fit into the same category on style, composition or tone of how they express themselves. While quality is truly subjective to the reader, the subtle differences of how a top writer can make an article flow is what makes our writing worth the extra money.

I have started out at a lower rate and had clients happily offer to pay me more because they feel what I deliver to them is worth it. I for one, don't look at online content as something that should be just slapped up there without much thought. There's a reason why the trend is moving towards quality content as opposed to crap.

Sure, someone visiting your site may glance at mediocre content and click on an ad, but they sure won't recommend the site to their friends. Other web publishers won't voluntarily link to your site because they think it's got awesome content. So, you make money, but you don't know how much money you lose because of a lack of good quality content that people find truly valuable.

Yes, it's all about attracting more eyeballs and making more sales and ad revenue for the site. Some writing clients see paying good money for content as a worthwhile long term investment that will keep paying off for years. That's the difference.

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fluffythewondercat 13 years ago

I put up some Fiverr writing gigs. And they took off. Repeat orders up the wazoo.

Unfortunately for me, it was crap. One customer wanted me to generate article after article for her site that sells counterfeit designer handbags. I don't want to be a party to that. I suspect if I were charging $20 instead of $5 it would weed out the quick-buck scammers.

I did make some connections helping people who have real businesses and zero SEO knowledge, so that worked out okay but I'll never again set up a writing shop and accept just anyone as a client. You'll have to pass muster first.

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timpears

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Danielle Clarke

Hi Tim, I'm not Nate, but I know that when my clients pay me $100 for 1000-word authority articles this is what they expect:
- An article Google will love (backlinks)
- Syndication potential (even more valuable backlinks!)
- Newsletter-worthy
- Something they can feature on their membership sites
- Or even a free report for their list

All of that is potentially worth significantly more than the $100 investment they paid me.

Boy, if only I could afford to pay $100 for an article, but that is a long way off.

If an article could generate $200 for me, then I could see it. Right now I could afford about one and a half articles per month.

I would like to see that happen for my site(s).

Oh well. So far, as of yesterday, I have made $3.28 from AdSense, so all I need is another $96.72 and I have enough for an article.

But then I guess that is why cheap writers are around, for folks like me, trying to get their start in IM.

You know, if I could write articles that would command $50 to $100 each, I doubt that I would write for others. It would seem that I could make more money writing for myself and publishing it on my own site. But who knows.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Danielle Clarke

Hi Tim, I'm not Nate, but I know that when my clients pay me $100 for 1000-word authority articles this is what they expect:
- An article Google will love (backlinks)
- Syndication potential (even more valuable backlinks!)
- Newsletter-worthy
- Something they can feature on their membership sites
- Or even a free report for their list

All of that is potentially worth significantly more than the $100 investment they paid me.

Exactly so ... well said.

I believe the "$100 market" (if you want to call it that

) for articles is a far better and more reliable one, not because the prices are higher but because the marketers buying $100 articles are the ones who know how to use them wisely, and those are also the ones who come back for more. So once you get in all the regular work you want, you don't need to keep finding new clients all the time.

Which is also why you don't see so many writers of "$100 articles" looking for work. (People tend to assume - wrongly - that it's because there isn't much of a market there: that isn't actually true at all).

When you write $5/$10 articles, you do have to find new clients all the time, because many people are typically using those for article directory marketing, not for article marketing.

And therefore they may well not come back for any more.

Not because your articles were no good, but because they effectively misused them, through knowing no better.

Originally Posted by Danielle Clarke

I'm certainly beginning to figure out that I could potentially make a lot more money by writing for myself!

Yes indeed.

You'll get no argument from me about that one.

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Joshua Rigley

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Exactly so ... well said.

I believe the "$100 market" (if you want to call it that

) for articles is a far better and more reliable one, not because the prices are higher but because the marketers buying $100 articles are the ones who know how to use them wisely, and those are also the ones who come back for more. So once you get in all the regular work you want, you don't need to keep finding new clients all the time.

Which is also why you don't see so many writers of "$100 articles" looking for work. (People tend to assume - wrongly - that it's because there isn't much of a market there: that isn't actually true at all).

When you write $5/$10 articles, you do have to find new clients all the time, because many people are typically using those for article directory marketing, not for article marketing.

And therefore they may well not come back for any more.

Not because your articles were no good, but because they effectively misused them, through knowing no better.

As usual Alexa, you hit the nail squarely on the head. How do you do it?

Although, if one were to charge $100 per article, how would they market their service? More importantly, is that something you'd recommend for newbies to try out (instead of charging the usual low price for article writing).

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DireStraits

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley

Although, if one were to charge $100 per article, how would they market their service? More importantly, is that something you'd recommend for newbies to try out (instead of charging the usual low price for article writing).

Joshua, you might find this post by Alexa to be quite useful and interesting, in which she kindly dropped a series of relevant links on the topics of freelance writing and marketing your article-writing service.

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drmani

13 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

You know, if I could write articles that would command $50 to $100 each, I doubt that I would write for others. It would seem that I could make more money writing for myself and publishing it on my own site.

Absolutely agree. And that's why I write most of my important content
- and reap the benefits from it.

Here's a 'secret'.

When I write a $100 (or higher) article for a client, I study
WHAT the client does with my article - and that gives me far
MORE value than the $100 payment... because now I can turn my
own content into even higher profit!

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Crystal_Jobs

13 years ago

Hello Tony.

I am a writer, and what I advise is - keep trying, when you get someone who churns out quality contents, stay with him.

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azmanar 13 years ago

Hi,

I know someone who writes well and gives good rates.

Getting high quality writers is easy, if you can afford them.

Getting a writer who matches your needs, is difficult.
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Zeus66

13 years ago

There's a downward pressure on prices if you write for Internet Marketers. That's because most IM'ers don't have a clue what to use content for to get a good ROI. It's no fault of the writer, in other words, but it means most IM'ers that hire writers can only afford to pay those silly low prices because they simply will not make a profit if they pay more. Sad state of affairs, but there it is.

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VeronicaD

13 years ago

Of course there are writers that produce quality content. However, just because they have a big thread or whatever doesn't mean they have what you need. Many people who hire them are just looking for articles to throw up on directories and blog networks, which don't have to be so great. Don't pay someone blindly. Instead, tell them what it is you're looking for. See if they reply with "Yeah sure, I can do that. Send payment to xxx" or if they verify what you need and want and show examples of similar work they've done. Chat with them on IM and get a feel of how the relationship would be if they worked for you. Just my two cents.

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Melanie Crouse

13 years ago

We're not extinct or even endangered. It's just hard to wade through all the crap to find the gems.

As soon as someone comes on here asking "How can I make some money fast?" everyone jumps in and tells them to start writing articles!

Although not rocket science, writing is a skill and not every Tom, Dick and Harry can just jump in and start producing quality content. There is a learning curve and there is talent involved as well. Not everyone has that talent.

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fernandoraymundo

13 years ago

Finding talented writers is not impossible, there are tons of excellent content writers in this forum alone. Try screening some writers that will match your writing needs and compare them basing on the quality and price of their work.

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IMWinner

13 years ago

I totally agree, Quality content writers aren't a myth. They are as real as anyone here, but they are hard to find since there are lots of "those who would claim as quality writers" then provides you poor articles. As most warriors here agreed, "you get what you pay for", since I observed in odesk and freelance, employers or clients are posting that they are looking for a top quality article/content writer but only pays $0.75 per article, I mean, if you are one of the writers that can deliver quality articles, would you go for that amount?
It's not that they are myth since nobody will deliver an article of top quality for $0.75, but it should be appropriate to the quality of the article. I could say that quality content writers aren't a myth, I think the myth in this are those employers who are willing to pay these quality content/article writers the "just" compensation that they deserved.
In addition, quality content writers will never be a myth in the Internet Marketing business, they are always here and one should look for them to prove that they are here among us.

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vtotheyouknow

13 years ago

I can't speak for other writers but depending upon how much research I need to do and how much time I need to think about my client's intentions, audience, [audience's] literacy level, etc., a 400 word article will typically take me 1-3 hours to write.

The last 1200 word article I wrote took me something like 7 hours and I charged $45. Not a great rate to be frank and I'll probably start charging double that soon.

The fact is that if you want somebody that will produce truly epic content you have to pay them what they're worth. Good writing is very difficult and time consuming, otherwise you'd be doing it yourself, in'it? :-)

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The Magician

13 years ago

If you haven't given Elance or Textbroker a shot, you might investigate both. There are plenty of skilled writers willing to produce quality content, but it doesn't come cheap.

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vincentpeter

13 years ago

Quality writers still do exist, but gonna cost a few quid

There are two ways to look at it: If it is for human visitors then yes its worth the investment, however if its for our G spiders A unique are a good spinned (70%) should suffice.

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JustinDupre

13 years ago

There are still a lot of good quality writers, the problem is finding one. Expect to pay premium price if you are looking for one though.

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koyaai

13 years ago

They do exist...

And its not actually about the price. There are still others who don't charge as much but can come up with something excellent. People tend to forget sometimes that writing is a talent and not just a way to earn. So I recommend you search for that gem. Always be open to every individual that comes your way. Ask for a sample if you want to check his/her talent. Do a test run with that provider. Always remember that paying much doesn't guarantee quality nor does paying so little means you get crap. There are other who overrate themselves just because they are popular while there are others whose talents gets undermined because they are new and get little attention.

Nevertheless, quality content writers do exist.

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elyknez321

13 years ago

Hello,

I happen to be a freelance writer and modesty aside, a darn good one. I would be more than happy to work with you. If ever you're interested, just give me a holler.

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omurphy22

13 years ago

They do exist, but, like anything in life, you get what you pay for. If you want the best writers then you have to pay much more than would for just basic throwaway content.

Try Odesk and Elance if you want to find some good writers.

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WriterWahm

13 years ago

You don't need a good writer; anyone who went through High School could probably be considered a 'good' writer. What you need is a GREAT writer and that takes talent and skill.

That said, the WF is a huge goldmine when it comes to great writers. One word of advice - stay away from the popular names. Most of them do not have the time to deliver what you want ... too many orders I'm guessing

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Michael Daniels

13 years ago

I personally have hired outsource writers in the past from Odesk.com, there are some really good writers there and you don't have to pay an arm and leg for there service.

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satrap

13 years ago

What I have found out form my own experience and reading others' is that almost everyone goes through a period where they test and test, until they find that someone who can deliver. So, its always good to be on the look out.

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Joshua Rigley

Banned 13 years ago

I can write high quality content when I want to, though I generally don't write it for other people.

Then again, I've considered doing a proofreading/editing service. I've seen some grammar errors in IM ebooks that have made me cringe. >_<

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danieldroga

13 years ago

If you want QUALITY, you have to pay it hard. So quality content writers are not really a myth. However, these writers are expected to get a lot of jobs today so it is hard to get close to them especially if you can only pay less than what they are used to get from writing quality articles.

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wickedinnovation

13 years ago

Quality content writers actually exist, but they are now few in numbers. If ever you'd found them, I'm pretty sure that they are very expensive. As long as the content writer loves his work, he can consider as a quality content writer..

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by wickedinnovation

Quality content writers actually exist, but they are now few in numbers.

Yeah, we all drink too much coffee or mountain dew, smoke too much, and have asses as wide as Texas, because we seldom get off our asses and do any exercise whatsoever... :p

In fact, when I tried go to the kitchen to make dinner a while ago, I found myself walking through the house with a computer chair stuck to my butt.

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HeySal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Yeah, we all drink too much coffee or mountain dew, smoke too much, and have asses as wide as Texas, because we seldom get off our asses and do any exercise whatsoever... :p

In fact, when I tried go to the kitchen to make dinner a while ago, I found myself walking through the house with a computer chair stuck to my butt.

tpw? Wow - I've heard of you, but always thought you were just a myth.

Write on!

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DireStraits 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

In fact, when I tried go to the kitchen to make dinner a while ago, I found myself walking through the house with a computer chair stuck to my butt.

"Meals on wheels" services and potty chairs exist for a reason, you know, Bill.
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BridgetSielicki

13 years ago

It definitely is possible to find quality writers, but it may take you a bit to find a writer who works to your specifications at a price you are willing to pay (whatever that may be).

It is best to build a relationship with your writer. You might not find the perfect one on the first or second try, but if you look around (and there are plenty here from which to choose), you will eventually find a good fit. Don't pay anything until you are able to read samples, testimonials, and have a correspondence with the writer which makes you comfortable enough to know that he or she will be a good fit.

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Colin Palfrey

13 years ago

If you can get a good writer to just be themselves, they will often become a great writer. The quantum leap in writing, comes from the rare ability to remove one's head from one's behind, look at the world and smile

You just need to remove the stress by paying them enough that they aren't fighting the clock, then remind them to be themselves.

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King Louie 13 years ago

Sometimes, writers are eager to make as much money as they can, as fast as they can. As a result, the quality of their content suffers.
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13 years ago

I would recommend Laurencewins I have used his services quite a few times for articles, also for sales script and proof reading.

His prices are good but not cheap as you would expect for decent quality work. If you do contact him you can try using my name to get some discount. Not sure if it will work but worth a try

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Fweez

13 years ago

YOU'LL GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR

- This is not always true

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sal64 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Fweez

YOU'LL GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR

- This is not always true

Actually your articles are very good.

Where most services fall down is that they cannot translates that skill into writing books or other technical stuff.

Even blog posts are a major challenge for writers because blogs are different style to info articles.
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HarrisonJ

13 years ago

No one you hire is going to care as much about your content as you. Your best stuff will be written by you.

With that said, there are still good people out there. Check the Writing section Fiverr dot com, and hire some of the people there for $5 per article. See if any of them write good articles, and hire the ones that do over again.

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sal64

13 years ago

Very rare on here... simply because it has become the lowest $ factor with noobs not wanting to invest in quality. So you get the influx of the $4 for 500 words crowd... most of them crap.

Now here's a really dumb assed idea...

Do it yourself!

Can't write? No problem. You want personality? Do it yourself. It's easier then you think.

Make a list of bullet points and then talk into a mic. Say whatever you want to and do it naturally like you are talking to a friend.

Then have it transcribed and send it to an editor and proof reader.

Frankly, I have found this to be the best way to create content in my voice.

Cheers,

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by sal64

Very rare on here... simply because it has become the lowest $ factor with noobs not wanting to invest in quality. So you get the influx of the $4 for 500 words crowd... most of them crap.

Now here's a really dumb assed idea...

Do it yourself!

Can't write? No problem. You want personality? Do it yourself. It's easier then you think.

Make a list of bullet points and then talk into a mic. Say whatever you want to and do it naturally like you are talking to a friend.

Then have it transcribed and send it to an editor and proof reader.

Frankly, I have found this to be the best way to create content in my voice.

Cheers,

Sal

Dragon Naturally Speaking is an awesome tool.

Tell a story as you would tell it to a friend. Then spell check.

Anyone who employs an editor in the process will certainly provide a better final product.

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Brian Cashins

13 years ago

To be honest OP, it's gotten to the point where I alot some time and write them myself. I figure my hour is worth the $20 it would cost me for a 500-700 word article. I have given up on the "cheap" "quality" writer because they don't exist. So I end up writing at least 30 articles for the month, big deal. I just pocketed $600 it would have cost me and I know they are exactly how I want them set up.

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bolo1107

13 years ago

Some would rave about a writer's work that others describe as junk. It's all a matter of preference.

I'm sure there's a writer out there with product you'd label as "good quality content".

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drmani

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tony Fox

Quality Content Writers - A Myth?

I'm no myth - but I'm no' cheap either! ;-)

Originally Posted by NateSimms

I consider myself of the highest quality of writers.

... many Warriors can attest to that.

Unfortunately, the majority of people on WF cannot afford (or are not willing to pay) the premium price for my services.

LOVE that quote, Nate!

Originally Posted by AliciaL

Yes! I can introduce you to a very good writer. I can't send a PM yet (i dont have enough points) , so send me a PM and I'll send you her details.

Alicia, pleasure to see you on the WF

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ydok

13 years ago

i m looking for the way of get quality content too ! hard ,but go on !~

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Tony Fox

13 years ago

Thanks for all the responses guys.

Yeah the guy I use to work with but lost his details. (Which later I found but also found he just disappeared from the net) Was double the cost of the el cheapo but his quality was good.

The person I used was a $5 per 500 words but they had a heap of good feedback and I pointed them to an article that I wanted the same quality or better which they said yes they can and also told them I don't want any fluff, only detailed meaty info which they said yes to and I even told them I'm willing to pay extra for the quality and if they need more money I'm more than willing to pay extra. And kept telling them that I wanted quality. Almost 2 weeks and I'm almost to the point I just give up my $25 and not return to them.

I have just hired one person for another project at $25 per 600 words. I was impressed with a review they had done and so got them to do a review on a niche that I'm in. Also told her that I'm willing to pay $50 or more if it's really good.

Also found another one bit cheaper than the above but also did a good sample article so will try her for my main project when I figure out what's going to happen with my current writer (who is taking my frustration very professionally which I'm very pleased with.)

Originally Posted by sal64

...

Now here's a really dumb assed idea...

Do it yourself!

Can't write? No problem. You want personality? Do it yourself. It's easier then you think.

Make a list of bullet points and then talk into a mic. Say whatever you want to and do it naturally like you are talking to a friend.

Then have it transcribed and send it to an editor and proof reader.

Frankly, I have found this to be the best way to create content in my voice.

Cheers,

Sal

Fantastic idea! I know what I want to say and how to say it but I'm not very professional with grammar etc. I'll definitely consider that. That is a simple idea I never seen or thought of.

Originally Posted by tpw

Dragon Naturally Speaking is an awesome tool.

Tell a story as you would tell it to a friend. Then spell check.

Anyone who employs an editor in the process will certainly provide a better final product.

I used Dragon and maybe I'm impatient and need to teach it longer but it can't understand me a lot of the times. I say 30 - 40% of the time it puts out garbage but it might just be me being impatient.

Love the little simple gems there.

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tony Fox

I used Dragon and maybe I'm impatient and need to teach it longer but it can't understand me a lot of the times. I say 30 - 40% of the time it puts out garbage but it might just be me being impatient.

Love the little simple gems there.

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Maybe impatient.

When I first started using it, it was good for about 90% accuracy, but I slur my words often.

With training, it is about 98% accurate now -- 18 months later.

I am using DNS v10. I hear that it is light years better than DNS v9 and under.

The software is currently shipping v11.

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sal64

13 years ago

I had the same problem with Dragon. What came up was gibberish compared to what I said.

Then one day I tried it when I was drunk and spoke gibberish.

And guess what?

Nothing changed.

It was worth a shot.

Originally Posted by tpw

Maybe impatient.

When I first started using it, it was good for about 90% accuracy, but I slur my words often.

With training, it is about 98% accurate now -- 18 months later.

I am using DNS v10. I hear that it is light years better than DNS v9 and under.

The software is currently shipping v11.

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notrichyet

13 years ago

Originally Posted by bolo1107

Some would rave about a writer's work that others describe as junk. It's all a matter of preference.

I'm sure there's a writer out there with product you'd label as "good quality content".

I think this hits the nail on the head. It's all subjective and relative to the niche being written about and the intention of the article itself. The biggest problem I've found is that when article requests come in, the requests are often vague. They usually don't provide more than the keywords. So far I've been lucky in that what I've written seems to fit the bill. I would say the more information you can give to the writer as to what you're looking for, the more likely you are to be pleased with the results.

Cheers!!

Mary

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by notrichyet

I think this hits the nail on the head. It's all subjective and relative to the niche being written about and the intention of the article itself. The biggest problem I've found is that when article requests come in, the requests are often vague. They usually don't provide more than the keywords. So far I've been lucky in that what I've written seems to fit the bill. I would say the more information you can give to the writer as to what you're looking for, the more likely you are to be pleased with the results.

Cheers!!

Mary

I think we can all agree that a "crap article" is a "crap article".

But, each of us have a different level of forgiveness and acceptance for mistakes and oversights... So for anything between 2-10 on the 0 to 10 scale, we will look at according to what each of us consider "acceptable".

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- kenthn 13 years ago
  
  I see the quality concept as something a lot of people just ignore online these days. The culprit in my humble opinion is the extreme lust for "fast cash/no work" (plus lazy/uninterested/problems to get started/unmotivated ...). The market makes it best to provide a cure for this new deadly sin (number 8) with all the push one button and get humungous amounts of money in minutes.
  
  We used to have get rich quick schemes but even they are to slow or doesn't provide enough profit today.
  
  We can no longer have a blog, add real posts with content normal people can read, where we share ideas and knowledge. We must use blog farms, multi-blogs, blog networks, linkwheels, feeder sites and other more or less complex solutions of multiple sites working together. And not to forget, the almighty savior, spun articles.
  
  To increase traffic we spin some 200.000 more variations of an article, submit it with our one button tool to hundreds of article directories, click another button and creates 100 web 2.0 backlinks and finish of the night by squirting out RSS feeds from the blogs to as many rss feed syndication sites as possible.
  
  And all to reach the great goal of making $2 from each site/day.
  
  The market is feeding the beast by encouraging the marketers to go for low profit from a high quantity of sites but completely ignore content quality.
  
  If we approach our internet presence with the goal of earning money without caring for who we are and how we are perceived, then this is one way of doing it.
  
  In contrast to this, some people rather work daily on their only site, writing 1-2 article per week and put sweat and love into the content. Sharing knowledge, answering questions, resolving problems, all while trying to give a true picture of who they are.
  
  I'm not saying one method or the other is bad or wrong as it is the nature of the beast to enchant people and pull them into the magical dream land of easy profit.
  
  Would I pay $100 for one article? If I had the money to spare possibly. Do I think I can write my own $100 articles? No way. But I think that I can write articles that are good enough to run circles around what many buy and use online.
  
  So what is my verdict? Quality (in all shapes and forms) will outperform quantity in almost all situations and if I had a hat, I would take it of for all of you that takes pride in what you write, while charging according to the quality your work have!
  
  Kenth
  
  P.S. I constantly work on improving my usage of the English language and I hope to one day be able to write a full page without leaving some sentence written backwards or using twice the number of words needed in a sentence!
  
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  drmani 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by kenthn
  
  Would I pay $100 for one article? If I had the money to spare possibly.
  
  I think my views about 'high quality' articles was conditioned as
  early as 1996, when I first read Robert Allen's document about
  being an infopreneur.
  
  In it, Bob mentions his goal for EVERY WORD he writes being worth
  AT LEAST $1. So he wakes up every morning with the goal of
  writing 1,000 words - knowing that it's an extra $1,000 in the
  bank.
  
  Now, most people (including me at the time I read it) think in a
  more linear fashion about this - and equate this with IMMEDIATELY
  earning $1 per word after writing the article or report... and
  that's the fallacy.
  
  Words remain profitable for YEARS, even DECADES, after they've
  been written ONCE.
  
  And there are at least 53 distinct and unique ways to turn words
  into wealth.
  
  So, the real question isn't "Can I afford $100 per article?" -
  but IF I can make at least $500 from a 500 word article over
  time, will I be happy to pay $100 for it today?
  
  Presented that way, the answer to the question usually is "Yes".
  
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raleigh

13 years ago

Well, some would say that the quality of work is directly proportional to the amount the writer receives.

I would still like to believe that there are writers out there who are passionate about what they do even if the pay is not that high.

Finding those gems may be quite an adventure on its own and you may need to go through the trial and error process so as to speak before finding those rare breed of writers.

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Mac the Knife

13 years ago

Thing about writing is, and some here have touched on it, you have to simply talk TO the reader. If your articles (either the ones you've written or you have purchased) sound like they came out of an encyclopedia from 1978, then roll them, and smoke them. You have to simply write as if you are talking to your buddy. I mean, I don't call my best friend and say:

"For years, the tv has displayed numerous commercials about fat loss products and new fangled ways to shrink your increasing waistline. The fact is, losing weight is possible, but it takes an effective combination of diet, exercise, and possibly a few well chosen supplements."

If I did, he would be like, "Dude, WTF are you smoking?" Think about it...how would you talk to your friend? A PERSON for that matter? Read your stuff...do you sound like a robot, or a HUMAN? Honestly, a nice, flowing PERSONAL tone coupled with some solid info is all it takes. I totally agree that many of my clients can write their own stuff, but if you are using articles effectively, your time should be MORE valuable than doing so...this is called leverage, and if you are doing EVERYTHING yourself, you are limiting your income, bottom line.

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WebPen

13 years ago

You definitely don't always get what you pay for.

There are writers such as myself who give discounts to Warriors if we're seeking new clients. In other words, you're getting more than what you pay for.

Or you can go with a writer who rips you off, charging $10/100 words but they outsource it to someone who does a horrible job.

Or you can buy directly from the $3/500 word article writers, and hope you get a good one (there are a few... but not many)

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Jaymark

13 years ago

Based on a lot of the posts here, there are indeed some great content writers out there. The problem is that the market has become diluted from all these offshore writers who are not very knowledgeable about their subject and who also don't speak and write English as their native language. The quality therefore tends to be rather poor but the pricing is cheap.

So this drives down the market pricing and people expect high quality work for next to nothing. So if you are willing to pay a little more for native English speaking writers, they do exist and can do a great job for you.

You may have to try out a few until you find one you are happy with. But you can be pretty assured that if you find someone willing to write a 500 word article for $3 or less, you'll tend to get what you paid for. Some established authors can command up to $1 per word instead of a penny per word. There is however a happy medium so keep plugging and you'll find a good solution.

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Adnan Firdous

13 years ago

I worked with 2 writer till date and both of them provided great service at a really cheap price! So, it's definitely not a myth!

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sofiaarce

13 years ago

Quality content writers do exist and they worth a good price. Writers who researched thoroughly and do content of their real interest and experience produces good results.

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offline85

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tony Fox

Hi guys,

I was wondering if any of you are using quality content writers? Not the ones that write up anything to post anywhere but ones that you could have come from a hard copy book from amazon.

I used one a long time ago who wrote awesome stuff but I lost his details. Now I have used some of the bigger content writers here and I said that I wanted QUALITY but I get poor work with instructions that was inaccurate and incomplete and just plain confusing.

If you use someone that is great at writing and able to add a personality please recommend me to him or her.

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I've heard it's best to test out writers on freelance sites and weed through the bad ones.

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BloggingPro

13 years ago

Oh, I don't know. Every time I come across a terribly structured sentence on Yahoo! News I think my hope for humanity dies a little bit.

More seriously, YES, quality content writers exist and exist everywhere. Sometimes YOU just need to seek them out. Because honestly, just because they are good at writing doesn't mean they are good at marketing themselves to you.

So seek them out. If your searching for a writer here on the forum you are going to find ten quality writers that charge premium fee's and hundreds of "$1 per 100 words" article writing services.

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JamesGw

13 years ago

Quality content writers aren't a myth at all. I think the good writers just realized that they could charge significantly more for their services than they did before.

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Dimitris Skiadas

13 years ago

In every aspect of your life, you will see "the good,the bad and the ugly".And what i mean is that there is store that sell shoes for 5$,another whose prices start from 30$ per pair and a third one that it's cheapest pair starts from 150$.Do you get the point?

Good writers have not (yet) vanished.As bad(or cheap) writers have not disappeared either.The price you pay though,the better product or service you will get.It's a law.And it does not apply only in Internet Marketing

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ladymd

13 years ago

You definitely get what you pay for when it comes to content writing. It's important to review samples before hiring and look at style. The best writers are able to keep things simple.

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Jarvis Edwards

13 years ago

If quality content writing was a myth, the internet would have ceased to exist by now.

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marvelouz

13 years ago

you get what you pay for.

This is important to remember but I've had some success finding good writers.

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