Fighting the black hat community..

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Hi warriors...

Yesterday when i google searched a product i got directed into a black hat forum & community..
i was shocked that there was a freebies section and in that freebies section i saw a lot of WSO, i mean a lot is a lot!!!!, and anyone can download it for free!!

i am a pure warrior and had couple of WSO either..so i really know how does it feel when your WSO can be download for free, some of them are CB product, software (don`t know where does it come from), etc

so i want to ask warriors opinion, what could we do to fight back that BlueFart community and to protect our WSO??
#black #community #fighting #hat
  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    It is almost an impossible fight.

    But you may find this discussion to be very valuable in your future:

    Neil Gaiman on copyright piracy and the Web. [VIDEO]
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    • Profile picture of the author bayumaulana2003
      i think using the license method is one of the great way to protect our product
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by bayumaulana2003 View Post

        i think using the license method is one of the great way to protect our product

        It works, but it also has problems.

        If your server is slow to respond, the validation may time out, making your paying customers think that they got screwed by you.

        If you ever go out of business, your product dies.

        And, the licensing method will require for you to jump over a few more hurdles to get your product to market.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ralf Skirr
        If you can't beat it, try to profit from it.

        Put lots of affiliate promotions into your products.

        Some of your free-downloaders will actually buy. It's a myth that torrent downloaders never spend money, and your free download (that you can't prevent anyway) might be the 'entry product' for your marketing funnel.

        Regarding licensing: you have to evaluate both sites:
        What do you gain from licensing?
        What does it cost you in
        • time
        • reduced customer satisfaction
        • money

        I have some products where I use licensing, but with cheaper products I just don't care enough to put my customers through the hassle.
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr View Post

          If you can't beat it, try to profit from it.

          Put lots of affiliate promotions into your products.

          I have gone this route. All of my products promote all of my other products.

          In fact, recently, I started adding a URL in the footer of every page that points to a website that contains a list of all of my products available for purchase.

          Sometimes, people will buy 4-5 of my products on the same day or over a couple days. It works!!
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          • Profile picture of the author rts2271
            Encrypt all software products that can be encrypted.

            Wrap videos, audios and Text files in a display system that can be encrypted.

            If possible add a license server process. Bill hit the issues with server licensing. WHMCS has a great system that lets the system function unhindered for a set time with loss of contact issues from the license server.

            Evaluate the value of what you have, not the marketing hype value but the real brass knuckles value of the product and compare that with the cost of protecting it from a few downloads. The BH guys have been skimming the products for a while, the good news is they would never have purchased them anyhow, so your not losing a customer.

            You also get some real unabashed reviews there as well.
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        • Profile picture of the author grandstar
          Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr View Post

          If you can't beat it, try to profit from it.

          Put lots of affiliate promotions into your products.

          Some of your free-downloaders will actually buy. It's a myth that torrent downloaders never spend money, and your free download (that you can't prevent anyway) might be the 'entry product' for your marketing funnel.

          Regarding licensing: you have to evaluate both sites:
          What do you gain from licensing?
          What does it cost you in
          • time
          • reduced customer satisfaction
          • money

          I have some products where I use licensing, but with cheaper products I just don't care enough to put my customers through the hassle.
          What you said here is correct.

          This is the internet age and you just have to incorporate these illegalities and profit from them.

          The music industry was dealt a serious blow then they refused to develop a model to deal with the likes of napster and limewire.

          You can sell affiliate products even those with residual income like a membership site. Also, you can create a list!
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    This has been happening for years.

    Obviously it's elligal so on people happy to steal and break the law will take your stuff.

    There's no point wasting your time or mental energy worrying about this.

    If one person can steal it - they will share it and others will take it.

    You might be surprised though that even on such forums they do have a community spirit and if you are an active member in the community they will add your product to the 'do not share' list, so you can protect yourself to some extent by being aware of these things and proactively making sure you are protected.

    Otherwise - just forget about it and spend your time building your business rather than worrying about the people that would rather steal your stuff than pay - they're not your target audience anyway.

    The other side to this is - if your stuff is good, once they've stolen the first product they may actually become a paying customer because you delivered good quality.

    If your stuff sucks then they'll either leave it alone or never want to buy anyway - so it's largely irrelevant.
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    nothing to see here.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Daniels
    I agree with Ralf, make those guys your "non paid" affiliate They will spread your sales around for you.
    Also you can request your product be removed if you can prove your the owner, show some raw files (open office/video) and they will usually remove the said item - sometimes not
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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    If your content is uploaded to a filesharing host then it is usually very easy to have it taken down. You simply report it as illegal content and it disappears.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Brand your pdf with the buyer's information. For pds downloaded using WarriorPlus there is hidden tracking.

    With an email you can often ID the buyer and get their location.

    Take the information to PayPal (I'll assume PayPal was the processor) and request termination of their account.

    Assuming everyone happens to be in the US and you can track down the perp, if you spent a small amount to register with the US Copyright Office then demand a much larger amount as damages.

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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Assuming everyone happens to be in the US and you can track down the perp, if you spent a small amount to register with the US Copyright Office then demand a much larger amount as damages.

      .

      And if they happen to be in India, then what?

      The perp who distributed my paid report to the BH sites was based in India...

      So I can get his PayPal account killed? Tell me more...

      ***** ****, this is your unlucky day... If Brian will come through with the information, that is...

      Karma is a bitch!!
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    Embrace technology.....

    Make great products.....

    and some of those who saw your product for free may buy that product or another service of yours on the backend.

    Be well
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    • Profile picture of the author rts2271
      Thats the thing, If your product pops up there, and people rave about it your sales will go up. The only ones who worry about it are those who have poop products and don't want that to see the light of day.

      My software gets swiped all the time. The only time I ever take action is when someone tries to pass it off as their own work. Then they get the hammer.
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  • Profile picture of the author HappyGayleen
    This thread really shows the power of positive thinking and not focusing on loss - instead looking forward and seeing opportunity!
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I don't think this is a figh anyone is ever going to win definitively. Cheaters cheat. It's who they are and what they do.

      At best, you can do your best to neutralize them. And make the bad guys easily identifiable as bad guys. Take the steps (reporting accounts, sending takedown notices, etc.) that make sense for you. Then move on...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dimitris Skiadas
    If you can't beat it, try to enjoy it...Many freebie seekers will eventually some time (probably) buy one of your products if they can't find them for free.

    The truth is that it's really difficult to do something for this.You may think at the time that you are losing money,but try and see the positive side of this..I think there is a way to make them join your e-mail list if they want to open your e-book.

    Dimitris
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      At least two of my products have 5-stars on BH sites.
      Those reviews are very telling.

      I'd be more concerned over what those reviews uncovered than the ones on actual WSO threads. Of course, you have to know a bit about who is giving the reviews there too.
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  • Profile picture of the author offline85
    Originally Posted by bayumaulana2003 View Post

    Hi warriors...

    Yesterday when i google searched a product i got directed into a black hat forum & community..
    i was shocked that there was a freebies section and in that freebies section i saw a lot of WSO, i mean a lot is a lot!!!!, and anyone can download it for free!!

    i am a pure warrior and had couple of WSO either..so i really know how does it feel when your WSO can be download for free, some of them are CB product, software (don`t know where does it come from), etc

    so i want to ask warriors opinion, what could we do to fight back that BlueFart community and to protect our WSO??
    I've seen this too & can't believe there hasn't been legal action taken on the Blackhat website owners.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammed Hammad2
    Listen.

    Even Movie and Music business can't stop these stuff, so that puts an end to the whole "How to protect our stuff"

    The question is "How we can leverage this opportunity?"

    Yea I know, it sucks! but still we have to deal with it. after all you have a good chance of virally distributing your stuff all over the web in people INTERESTED in what you have to offer.

    Brand your business. Put links to your other products. Put affiliate links. Put services link.

    One time I got one client into my high-ticket coaching program and he told me "I saw one of your paid products in a free forum once before" and it turned out he was one of the people who downloaded it and loved it thus becoming my client in my dating niche.

    Do you think now I hate my stuff being distributed for free? NO!

    My one coaching spot worth 150 sales of my e-book! so it is TOTALLY a win-win situation if you can leverage that.

    So think about it. How can you benefit from it next time another jerk share your stuff?

    Regards,
    MidMido
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    • Profile picture of the author corrieLMCT
      Hey!

      Look at it this way-think of all the people who would do things even


      nastier than steal your goods just to have something of their own to


      promote that is worth stealing! Just keepin' it fresh!


      Good things to All,

      corrieLyn
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      • Profile picture of the author kenthn
        Finding a pirated copy of your work is proof that "it's worth stealing"!

        I think using different ways of protecting products is good for selected products and if you have few products.

        I think it's a waste of time and money trying to incorporate systems that will protect all your products well enough to even have a slim possibility of no one pealing the protection of and sharing the product if you crank out simple software, small scripts, templates, pdf's, short videos, mp3 and other small, easy to create products every now and then.

        Just keeping it all updated, re-protecting, handling licenses, serials, keys and registrations plus any other work with the products will add up and become too much work.

        Accepting the problem as it is and try to find ways of using it the best way possible for increased profit while carefully selecting what product should have the best protection possible, is the best way to go.

        Every person have the possibility to go at it their own way but this is how I do it.

        Kenth
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