Was I Just Scammed By a Warrior? Any Advice?

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I posted a very small copywriting job here and paid up front for the service. I checked the warrior out (they had over 100 posts and were a war room member) so I felt confident.

I corresponded with them a few times and got very nice and informative responses from the warrior. The project was supposed to be mostly completed about 5 days ago. I have seen no work as of yet... nadda, zilch.

Unfortunately, they seem to have fallen off the map. I email them and get nothing. It has been almost a week with no replies to my emails asking what happened.

I am sure most of you will say to wait a few more days - which of course I will. After that, what should I do? I imagine I can contact Paypal (they were private verified member of Paypal) and file a dispute. Do you think a Paypal dispute will get me my money back?

Of course, maybe something bad happened and the warrior is in the hospital or something. If that's the case - I hope everything will be OK with them - but I still need the work done.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fast Web
    Sometimes unforseen things happen, is there anything specific other than him disappearing off the map that makes you think he might have done wrong by you ? Perhaps he fell ill or perhaps he has had telecommunications issues ?

    If in doubt dispute the transaction in Paypal, if you think it's possible it may have been an unforseen reason he hasn't responded then wait a few days.
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  • Profile picture of the author g36
    Have you tried to PM them from here. Also, check their recent activity from this forum, when the last time they online.

    If you file a dispute, your chance to win is a little, because the product is intangible. If you file chargeback, you can win.

    I suggest you wait for more days, if still nothing, do chargeback.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeBarcus
    I took a look at the Warrior's profile and he has a recent thank you message for his work. He has been thanked 32 times so I would think he has a good reputation.

    I assume he has a good reason for not replying to you, as you said he could be sick or maybe had a family emergency.

    I would give him some more time and then if need be file a dispute with PayPal, just don't wait over 60 days.

    When you file the dispute PayPal allows a certain amount of time (if I remember correctly about 20 days) for the other party to respond. If they don't you will get your refund right away. If they dispute your dispute it will take more time. But eventually you will get a refund.

    Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author robsterhews
      Originally Posted by MikeBarcus View Post

      I took a look at the Warrior's profile and he has a recent thank you message for his work. He has been thanked 32 times so I would think he has a good reputation.
      I didn't post who the person because i didn't want to damage someones reputation -- especially if something is really wrong with them.

      I don't know how you could have looked at this persons profile - I didn't say who it was. Also - this person did not post a reply to my job posting so you can't see them in the thread.

      The person you "checked out" for me is not the one who did the job.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by robsterhews View Post

        I didn't post who the person because i didn't want to damage someones reputation -- especially if something is really wrong with them.

        I don't know how you could have looked at this persons profile - I didn't say who it was. Also - this person did not post a reply to my job posting so you can't see them in the thread. They sent me an email.
        You're also not allowed to post their name, and no one else in the thread is either. Rule #1 of the forum.

        If you don't get any response or your work, you can file a Paypal dispute. You can also submit it to the help desk here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
          Hi Rob,

          Sorry about that,

          Anyway you can open a paypal dispute (remember to do it within 45 days from the purchase), contact the helpdesk or a moderator.

          Devid
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by MikeBarcus View Post

      I took a look at the Warrior's profile ...
      No, you didn't. Because you couldn't possible know who was chosen for the job.

      EDIT. OK, the OP was faster...
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  • Profile picture of the author kimjox
    Just wait and try to re-contact him .No one knows may be he got some troubles !!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author bobsilber
    Although it has been a week, if he is on the east coast now there is hurricane Irene that has knocked out electricity and communications for millions of people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joel Gray
    I would also suggest in the future that you do more than take into consideration the number of "Thank You's" that someone has. You need to see how long the Warrior has been a member and if there is any negative feedback about the service offered. Now you may pay a little more for some of the proven WF service/product providers however you certainly will not be posting what should I do I've been scammed by a Warrior or be asking where your money is.

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  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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    There's a part of us that always wants to say "Wait a few more days" or "Maybe there is a good reason why he's disappeared". That's all well and good, but we're not talking about a friend who dropped the ball on something he promised to do for us.

    This is a simple business transaction. I emphasized the word business because regardless of what may have happened, the person you are doing business with should have a mechanism in place to facilitate communication in any sort of emergency that will impact the fulfillment of the order.

    I'm not criticizing this person as an individual (no idea who it is), but rather his business practices. If he's typical of most IM'ers, he probably works alone and no one else has any idea what's going on in his life or business activities.

    There's a good lesson here for anyone new to IM and/or business online. You need to have a simple contingency plan in place for anything unexpected that might come along. Because of the somewhat anonymous nature of online business, these situations tend to come up a lot.

    That plan should include having at least one other person geographically distant from you who is familiar with your overall business activities. This should be someone you talk to regularly who can step in and answer questions, alert customers to a personal emergency, etc.

    For example, I have a really good friend in IM, who I'm a "Backup" for. Since we talk a couple of times a week, I know what he's doing more or less. I've met all the key people he uses for outsourcing via Skype/email and they know that in an emergency, I'm in charge. I have access to all of his systems, so the majority of his customers won't be inconvenienced, if at all possible.

    We've taken this one step further because of his age (coming up on seventy). All of the people he outsources to know their jobs extremely well. Over the years he's developed a solid relationship with them and they're incredibly reliable. In the event of his death, we have a plan in place to continue the business so that his wife doesn't suffer financial hardship.

    This system has been put to the test on a couple of occasions in the last few years due to personal emergencies in his family. It worked flawlessly

    For myself, I've got a couple of partners backing me up, so if something should happen to me, business continues as usual. My family won't lose out and neither will my customers. Over the years we've discussed this a lot (maybe we're just morbid), but the reality is, anything can happen to anyone unexpectedly.

    Do yourself a favor, find an IM "Backup" for yourself to prevent the sort of situation the OP is describing. There's nothing worse than leaving a customer hanging out there not knowing what's going on.

    That said, I'll just remind Rob that you've got up to 45 days to file a dispute at PayPal (if that was who you paid through). Only you can decide how much longer to wait and how that will impact your business activities.

    If it were me, I'd send one last PM, one final email and set a deadline, indicating that you'll have to move on to the next writer to do the job and would like a refund.

    It's just business - don't make it personal; he either will fulfill the order or is unable to. Meanwhile, you've got your own business to run and you can't allow a third party to hold you up indefinitely.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Magician
    The deadline for opening a trouble ticket with Paypal is 45 days, not 60. If you want a refund, the sooner you contact Paypal, the better. If forty-five days have passed since you sent a payment, Paypal's policy seems to be, "Go pound sand."
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    • Profile picture of the author robsterhews
      The Warrior just contacted me - hopefully everything will work out fine....
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      • Profile picture of the author IronRing
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        Originally Posted by robsterhews View Post

        The Warrior just contacted me - hopefully everything will work out fine....
        Good to hear. Sometimes it may take a bit of prodding to hear back from them (based on my experience) or maybe he did have a legitimate reason for delayed responses.

        Paypal requires disputes to be filed within 45 days of original transaction as a lot of you would know. I'd also check the person's profile to see when they last logged in.
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      • Profile picture of the author Psst
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        Originally Posted by robsterhews View Post

        The Warrior just contacted me - hopefully everything will work out fine....
        What did he say happened to him ? Just curious.
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  • Profile picture of the author ahlexis
    Just for future reference, in the event you hire someone, find out what part of the world or the country they are in (if you don't already know) before you hire them and take that info into consideration if they later don't respond for a bit.

    Why?

    After Hurricane Ike came through Houston a few years back I was without electricity for 14 days (which REALLY sucks when it's 90+ outside!), and it took even longer to get broadbank internet back to normal and reliable and usable. Considering the storms and the hurricane heading up the eastern seaboard, this person might be struggling with a lot more than just not getting back to you. Even if the storm did not appear to do much damage it still may be responsible for a power or broadband outage somewhere.

    My normal backup whenever my internet goes down is to head to a major street about 5 minutes from my home where it seems just about every merchant on the street has free wi-fi . . . McDonald's, Burger King, Panera Bread, even the Denny's has free wi-fi! But during the aftermath of a hurricane, even heading to your local wi-fi hotspot location might not be an option because, well, the entire neighborhood could be destroyed, or it could appear normal but not have broadband internet back yet. And it's possible that the INTERNET PROVIDER might be down and not repaired yet.

    On the other hand, I would not wait longer than 30 days to file any sort of claim, even if the processor allows a longer time frame. But I would only file if it had been no respnose whatsoever from the individual in question.





    GLAD TO HEAR YOU'VE MADE CONTACT WITH THEM.
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