I'm so frustrated!

13 years ago

what sort of PayPal account did you have personal or business?

Were you earning much? did you have a sudden influx of sales?

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Brendon Zahrndt

13 years ago

Start taking credit cards.

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Kashi456

13 years ago

Hey Frank, I has a business verified account with lifted limits and I my self had told Paypal I was going to receive about 4-5 figures per month

Just last week I averaged 3 Figures per pay. However, I sold both of my websites on Flippa for £1000 each, where I received £2000 in total..

Can this be the reason why?
They did ask me about it and I explained it to them in detail where it came from.

Kashi

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kashi456

Hey Frank, I has a business verified account with lifted limits and I my self had told Paypal I was going to receive about 4-5 figures per month

Just last week I averaged 3 Figures per pay. However, I sold both of my websites on Flippa for £1000 each, where I received £2000 in total..

Can this be the reason why?
They did ask me about it and I explained it to them in detail where it came from.

Kashi

Could be. PayPal is very strict about limits. Weird though, because you had lifted limits. I would call back and ask to speak with a supervisor and ask about why they limited your account, try and keep your cool (This is the part I always mess up). Good Luck!

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Kashi456 13 years ago

I am going to ring them again.

I rang them last time and they all said the same thing: "We cannot do business with you anymore"
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- kbailey1734 13 years ago
  
  Give them a call, ask for a supervisor, stay calm, explain the ENTIRE situation. Ask for an honest reason why they have done this to your account.
  
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Gdetonator

13 years ago

Did you call them or you just emailed? In my experience, calling them is always more effective and under law... Paypal can't hold your money for more than 180 days so after that, you can be to withdraw the money but I sure as hell know that I can't wait that long.

So, I say you call them and tell them to point out exactly what your accout did wrong if you are sure you didn't do a thing wrong then you guys can move from there.

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DanDasilva15YearOldIM

13 years ago

Why does it seem like everyone has a problem with Paypal? I'm taking in BIG money per month and they never give me a problem.

I have never had PP give me any problems and I hope it stays that way for a long time...

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13 years ago

One option is to create another account and link to a different bank account and credit card.

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Kashi456

13 years ago

This what they said when I called them about a few minutes ago:

"My account has too many risk" I asked them what sort of risks?

They answer "We cannot discuss futher info"

I asked for a manager or supervisor, and they said "They cannot take calls from customers"

They ended the call with "You will have to chose an alternative to Paypal as we no longer wish to serve you"

Kashi

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SearchingLost

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kashi456

This what they said when I called them about a few minutes ago:

"My account has too many risk" I asked them what sort of risks?

They answer "We cannot discuss futher info"

I asked for a manager or supervisor, and they said "They cannot take calls from customers"

They ended the call with "You will have to chose an alternative to Paypal as we no longer wish to serve you"

Kashi

They think you are scamming for some reason but they have it all wrong as you are doing legitimate business. You will probably now have to create a new account. Will be difficult though.

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Kashi456

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SearchingLost

They think you are scamming for some reason but they have it all wrong as you are doing legitimate business. You will probably now have to create a new account. Will be difficult though.

They are just being stupid!
In EVERY transaction, I get people to leave a note to what it is for so I can recognize them, and for some reason, they still don't understand.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kashi456

A few days ago my paypal got limited, I don't have clue why!

I sell solo ads, receive affiliate commissions, and have a verified account with lifted limits. Paypal know exactly what sort of business I do, and what type of income I have got. I do legit business and never had a dispute or chargeback.

I rang them do appeal against the limitation, and they said the decision is final.

When I asked them why, they just due to security problems, they no longer want to do business with me.

I mean WTF!
They don't even be straight up with me!

Now basically I'm screwed, I cannot receive any commissions through paypal, and worst of all I cannot even promote a WSO, because I won't be able to have the money..

Is there any way I can receive WSO commissions without a paypal?

And what about other commissions?

Kashi

Hey Kashi,

Sorry to hear about your bad luck with Paypal, unfortunately this seems to be happening to alot of internet marketers these days.

As far as I know there really isn't much you can do to stop the random seizure of your Paypal funds other than to use a different payment processor (I use Alertpay for example).

Best of luck in the future,

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littledan

13 years ago

I have heard before of people being temporaily shut down by PayPal when they have something like a launch and they either take in a large amount of cash in one go, or have a lot of transactions in a short period of time. I have not heard them say we can no longer do business with anyone once the issue has been satisfied though, scary.

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Kashi456

13 years ago

Originally Posted by littledan

I have heard before of people being temporaily shut down by PayPal when they have something like a launch and they either take in a large amount of cash in one go, or have a lot of transactions in a short period of time. I have not heard them say we can no longer do business with anyone once the issue has been satisfied though, scary.

I know, I've never heard that before but thats what they said to me.

Originally Posted by Liam Swift

Hey Kashi,

Sorry to hear about your bad luck with Paypal, unfortunately this seems to be happening to alot of internet marketers these days.

As far as I know there really isn't much you can do to stop the random seizure of your Paypal funds other than to use a different payment processor (I use Alertpay for example).

Best of luck in the future,

Liam

Hey Liam, Thanks, I have got an alert pay which I'm using, I have no problem using that, but How am I meant to promote WSO's, JV events, etc?

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Gdetonator

13 years ago

Darnit... I think somebody is screwing you over at Paypal. If you have huge 5 figures or 6 then you better push it hard, I really don't understand this part. Paypal saying that superiors don't talk to customers when there is cash at stake... I haven't seen that before

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Melanie Crouse

13 years ago

Have you sought legal advice? I would suggest you get your lawyer to contact them on your behalf. He/she may be able to get some further information for you, or at least advise you of your options.

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Kashi456

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Gdetonator

Darnit... I think somebody is screwing you over at Paypal. If you have huge 5 figures or 6 then you better push it hard, I really don't understand this part. Paypal saying that superiors don't talk to customers when there is cash at stake... I haven't seen that before

I'm making 4-5 figures per month. I managed to get it to my bank before I got limited.
They said I cannot speak to a superior.

Originally Posted by Melanie Crouse

Have you sought legal advice? I would suggest you get your lawyer to contact them on your behalf. He/she may be able to get some further information for you, or at least advise you of your options.

I'm going to look in to that.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kashi456

I'm making 4-5 figures per month. I managed to get it to my bank before I got limited.
They said I cannot speak to a superior.

I'm going to look in to that.

Awesome, I think you are on the same level field, I thought they were holding on the playing cards. Now, you have your money in your hands, you can even dump the account and create another one with a seperate bank account and credit card instead, I'm sure the representative you were speaking with was just pissed that you escaped their money seizure trap... haha

Ok, on a more serious note. Still try to get back your account even if you will close it later but if using legal power will cost you much then dump it since your cash is no longer stuck there.

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Dan C. Rinnert

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kashi456

I'm making 4-5 figures per month. I managed to get it to my bank before I got limited.

How often did you withdraw money from your PayPal account to your bank account?

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Kashi456

13 years ago

Hey.. I used to withdraw every two days.

I'm with alert pay now, going to try them out,

Kashi

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Dan C. Rinnert 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kashi456

Hey.. I used to withdraw every two days.

And did you withdraw everything every two days?
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- Vanessa Reece 13 years ago
  
  Kashi,
  
  I have just had a mark put on my account from PayPal. I don't have as much money going in as you, nor do I withdraw every two days. It's generally every month, but I do not withdraw it all either.
  
  What they wanted from me was my ID and a copy of a utility bill. I have no restrictions on my account other than not being able to close it.
  
  They stated that they need to comply with EU money laundering regulations, and the reason why they have put a temp mark on my account was simply because I am near the threshold for what is considered their norm of business; and they need to verify that I'm not doing anything that goes against EU regulations. Basically they are collecting my information to cover their behinds. I'm guessing it's a lot like collecting TAX I.D's for US affiliates.
  
  I'm still able to pay for things and even withdraw, although I must point out I haven't even tried to withdraw any since they marked my card.
  
  The correspondence was very friendly and I'm not concerned about it at this point. However, I will be opening new pay channels this week to be on the safe side.
  
  I just wondered if they had presented you with the option to declare your information to prove your status as a business owner and place of residence?
  
  I've dealt with Paypal both via email and on the phone, and I've always found them to be a lot more personable on the phone. That is just my own personal experience.
  
  In regards to you selling websites, I would probably suggest you go with escrow next time or similar. Less headache it seems with them than PP, when receiving large amounts.
  
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  Vanessa Reece 13 years ago
  
  Robert, very fair point.
  
  However, one thing I will say is, we all know banks don't close your account just because you're down to your last tuppence. PayPal in the UK is supposed to be governed by our banking laws. Are they not?
  
  Also, could it be that PayPal has built a rod for their own backs by getting a rep of blocking accounts and keeping money. So the natural instinct is to just grab the money out of the account so they can't keep anything. Catch 22.
  
  I'm not saying it's right to do that, I'm saying that could be a reason.
  
  One thing is clear to me, reading all the threads, PayPal is not IM friendly anymore, and since they don't want to make it as easy as some other pay portals do, I think it's safe to say that PayPal will not give two hoots how many IM based businesses they drop. If the goods are not tangible then they seem to have an issue...at some point.
  
  It would be really nice if they would just write out a new terms and conditions for non tangible goods so we can all comply, or not, as they case may be.
  
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Robert Puddy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kashi456

Hey.. I used to withdraw every two days.

I'm with alert pay now, going to try them out,

Kashi

theres your reason why, red flag for money laundering. they want to see money in there to deal with charge backs and refunds. withdrawing every 2 days tells them your a risk they dont want to take

Real business dont withdraw every couple of days, we transfer money to our bank once a month at the same time and always leave a balance in there to cover expenses and refunds. And thats how a responsible real busines operates

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

theres your reason why, red flag for money laundering. they want to see money in there to deal with charge backs and refunds. withdrawing every 2 days tells them your a risk they dont want to take

Real business dont withdraw every couple of days, we transfer money to our bank once a month at the same time and always leave a balance in there to cover expenses and refunds. And thats how a responsible real busines operates

I withdraw roughly 10% of monthly income at least a couple of time a week but my available balance is never less than 10%. This is in addition to my 30%/90-day rolling reserve.

I've been doing this all year with no problem.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by JDArchitecture

I withdraw roughly 10% of monthly income at least a couple of time a week but my available balance is never less than 10%. This is in addition to my 30%/90-day rolling reserve.

I've been doing this all year with no problem.

Right but your not emptying the account, so your not putting them at risk for any chargebacks and refunds

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

theres your reason why, red flag for money laundering. they want to see money in there to deal with charge backs and refunds. withdrawing every 2 days tells them your a risk they dont want to take

Real business dont withdraw every couple of days, we transfer money to our bank once a month at the same time and always leave a balance in there to cover expenses and refunds. And thats how a responsible real busines operates

I aggree with Robert. The SoloAds could also be a part of the reason. Get your mom to open a PP account and keep it legit!

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Chris Sorrell 13 years ago

Paypal are licensed in the UK as a financial institution, ie a bank - as far as I'm aware, a bank is not going to close your account because you make withdrawals otherwise I don't think it would have too many customers left....

They brake the financial laws of countries all over the world every single day and they're still in business, and still doing very well indeed. Must be that billion dollars of 'frozen' money they're earning interest on.
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Melanie Crouse

Have you sought legal advice? I would suggest you get your lawyer to contact them on your behalf. He/she may be able to get some further information for you, or at least advise you of your options.

I think this is pretty much the best option you have right now...

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Scott Henderson 13 years ago

Everyone needs to read this thread here, all 4 pages as there is some very good information to be had.

I am not implying that the OP has done anything wrong,, but most of the time there is something simple that can be avoided that breaks their TOS, i.e. if you are selling something you must have a clearly stated refund policy (even if you don't offer them)

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-problems.html

and there are a couple of WSO's that address how to stay out of these problems.

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...customers.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...shut-down.html
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Kashi456

13 years ago

Thanks everyone for your help and concerns.

I feel a lot better now, I will still try to get it back.
If not, then there are a lot of alternatives.

Kashi

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kashi456

Thanks everyone for your help and concerns.

I feel a lot better now, I will still try to get it back.
If not, then there are a lot of alternatives.

Kashi

Kashi, great to know you are feeling better now. I will like to know how it goes when you are done. Take care

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13 years ago

Lots of good advice for alternate solutions:
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...at-you-do.html

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davejug1

13 years ago

Welcome to the wonderful world of Paypal where Brand loyalty mean nothing.

I had a seven figure sum locked for no reason, small claims court couldn't help me as the sum was too large, dragged them to real court and took interest and expenses off them. They unlock it after a while but don't let that stop you screwing them over.

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Marketing Ignite

13 years ago

can you sign up for a new account instead and see what happens...

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Istvan Horvath 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Marketing Ignite

can you sign up for a new account instead and see what happens...

That's a very bad advice... (the forum rules prevent me from using stronger qualifiers!)
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JeanneLynn

13 years ago

It really scares me when I hear a story like this. Don't people have any recourse if they have been wrongly limited?

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Gdetonator 13 years ago

Originally Posted by JeanneLynn

It really scares me when I hear a story like this. Don't people have any recourse if they have been wrongly limited?

I think when they limit your account, they hold all the playing cards so you just watch them play around and hope to get lucky
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13 years ago

Were you rude to them? This can happen when one is upset. The wrong word and....

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Mark Jordan

13 years ago

Sorry to hear about that. Hope this is only a temporary shutdown. I heard the service and fees of Alertpay is better. It's good to know that there are alternatives to paypal- competition brings a lot of benefits for us.

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fred67

13 years ago

It seems that these big conglomerates are nothing more than bullies (Just because they can).
Google for example got me to spend a whole day reconfiguring one of my sites to conform to their 'adsense' terms and conditions. (back and forth E-mails) At the end of the day I got the all-clear.
The next day I got another E-mail from them contradicting the confirmation E-mail and they permanently shut down my account.

I never knowingly do anything unethical so it comes as a kick in the teeth when you're blatantly accused of trying to scam the system, as is the inference in this post.

Ebay also threatened me with closure when I tried to promote a product which I'd paid good money for the resell rights to. (A package of websites that included auction sites as allowable sales platform) Yet on closer inspection, I found other vendors selling the same product and had been for a while (and continue to do so)

It seems like the luck of draw really, a bit like the tax-man and even energy companies. If you're number gets called, you're in for a hard time.

Paypal is too big for it's boots and the luck of the draw is - do you get a reasonable office-drone to deal with your case or a beligerant jobs-worth??

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13 years ago

Damn, i know paypal's customer support is awful but this is just ridiculous

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harrietfredge

13 years ago

Another PayPal issue again, I'm already fed up with PayPal's inconsistencies on their rules and regulations. Well, if they no longer wish to serve you then better find another one. This might be upsetting but if you tried legal actions and yet you got nothing then just forget about them.

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Chris@AlertPay

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kashi456

A few days ago my paypal got limited, I don't have clue why!
I sell solo ads, receive affiliate commissions, and have a verified account with lifted limits. Paypal know exactly what sort of business I do, and what type of income I have got. I do legit business and never had a dispute or chargeback.
I rang them do appeal against the limitation, and they said the decision is final.
When I asked them why, they just due to security problems, they no longer want to do business with me.
I mean WTF!
They don't even be straight up with me
Now basically I'm screwed, I cannot receive any commissions through paypal, and worst of all I cannot even promote a WSO, because I won't be able to have the money..
Is there any way I can receive WSO commissions without a paypal?
And what about other commissions?
Kashi

It's always a good idea to have a back-up processor, or to be using several processors for situations exactly like this.

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Gdetonator 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris@AlertPay

It's always a good idea to have a back-up processor, or to be using several processors for situations exactly like this.

ChriZ

Chris, you mean it's always good to have an alertpay account in case paypal messes you up or am I missing something here?
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ShawnSells

13 years ago

Despite some here that think Paypal is fair, I think for the internet marketer, Paypal is a disappearing option. I get mostly checks from clients, (offline) but it would concern me if I had to use Paypal. Any wrong step, and you're in jeopardy.

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