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Serious help needed - real problem

by Bill_Lawrence
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Hello all,

I've been a member here for quite some time. I've been a member here(warriorforum) for about 5 years ago but I lost the details of my old account. I've been doing IM off and on for about 7 years.

Anyhow, I have a real problem. I've spent so much time online trying to make money. I believe it's affected my "real" life. My wife and I are on the verge of a separation. In fact, I'm moving in 9 days. We're splitting because she says I don't give her the attention she wants...I try but I'm the only one who takes responsibility for bills etc., so there's pressure on me to make a living while she just sits here.

Anyway, things haven't been going too well for me as far as IM. Right now, I'm article marketing using clickbank products. I earn about $500 per week but a lot of that is negated by refunds. I have a child support order which I have to pay $540 per month for my son whom I currently live with.

I've had extremely bad thoughts lately. I don't really know what to do anymore. A few years ago, I seemingly had it all. Making money online was easy for me...but now, I'm lost. The only real skill I have is writing articles.

If anybody has any suggestions on how I can get turned around please advise...

I probably need to earn about $3000 per month to survive. I don't know how I'm going to do it anymore.

I can't really sleep anymore. I look at my son and to even think that I can't take care of him really hurts right now(im taking care of him but if it gets too drastic, I wont be able to)
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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    Cheer up man!

    How fast can you write? Have you tried TheContentAuthority.com and ConstantContent.com ?

    That could bring you a little short term income.

    Are you looking to improve your affiliate results?

    Do you have a list?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Lawrence
    No I don't have a list. I've bought clickbank products that were supposed to teach me how to build a list but the methods never worked.

    I've never tried either of those sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author IceMustang
    Some things in life are more important than internet marketing. Take time away from it for awhile, find an offline way to make money if you need to, and let your old articles pay for themselves. Write new articles on Adsense revenue sharing sites, but right now, fight for your wife and your boy back. Put internet marketing on the backburner. If you need to simplify your lifestyle and cut expenses, do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    depressed people don't usually make very good entrepreneurs.

    No matter if you think you can or you think you can't... you will prove yourself to be right.

    so you say you can write articles. thats probably where you should start. you can make ok money doing that starting today. its not fun or sexy, but it sure beats having to explain to your son why you cant support him any more.

    3k a month is probably going to be tough writing articles for a living, so you definitely need to keep working on some other ideas, but any money will help.

    i would start by doing a brain dump though. you sound overwhelmed, and it also sounds like you have good reasons to be.

    but you need to clear your head so you can use your brain to think. get yourself some paper and a quite place and just start writing.

    jot down money making idea, things you feel you need to say to others, people who might can help you, what resources you have to work with. try to clear you head a bit and i think you will find some answers come your way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacqueline Smith
      [QUOTE=owslaw123;4588525]depressed people don't usually make very good entrepreneurs.QUOTE]

      First of all....completely ignore the above statement.....it is complete BS!

      Secondly.....your son is adorable (I'm assuming he's the little guy in your avatar) and is fortunate to have a Dad that feels so strongly about his responsibility to his family.

      The suggestions and offers of help in this thread should help get you going.

      However, I agree with some of the others....take care of yourself. You need to clear your head and start your journey down this new path in your life with as much strength and clarity as you can.

      You've done it before and you'll do it again!

      Please keep us updated on how you are doing. I'm sure it won't be long before you are on here giving support and inspiration to someone going through the same thing.

      Hug your little boy (often).....there's nothing like a hug from your child to help put life back in perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Here's a good thread for advice.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...desperate.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    $3000/30days= $100a day

    Go and look for metal items people put to the trash.
    Collect it and take it to a recycling center.
    Collect payment for the items.
    Repeat the process until you have $100 a day or more.

    I told a friend of mine a while back to do this when he found times
    getting hard and he ended up quiting his job and now does this Full Time.
    He makes anywhere from $500-$1000+ a day and works very few hours
    doing it.

    Stop telling yourself that you are in trouble and instead tell yourself that
    you must do something to correct the problem.

    Get up and look around. Do you have a Chain saw?
    Is there a Tree down in someone's yard that they need cut up?

    Do you have Items that you don't use/need that you can sell?

    Start thinking of ways instead of thinking it's hopeless.

    Success is a state of mind. Only you can make you successful so
    Just Do IT.

    Look around and see all the money just sitting there waiting for you.

    Get those Brain Juices flowing, http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...desperate.html
    Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    Try joining up to some sites like Make Money Online by writing articles for other people's websites. and get paid to write articles, if you can write fast you should be able to make $100 per day, there's plenty of these sites out there that will pay you to write. You could also offer your services on Fiverr and remember where there's a will there's a way, just make yourself available and work hard. I wish you all the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mo Goulet
    Pick up and read at least an hour a day from the book "Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. Get your thoughts going in gratitude mode. There are plenty of things you can be thankful for and when you do that, your circumstances will change.

    Here's a copy of an article that may help you.

    The Power Of Gratitude

    The reality is, gratitude is the most powerful gravitational force in the universe to pull things into your life that you desire to have. The moment you’re grateful, you’re successful already.

    Most people that are running around pursuing things in life are not really grateful for what they have. I guarantee you that if you get grateful now for what you have and you think about all the goodness that’s in your life, then the universe rewards you with more and more and more and more. I

    We live in a vibrational universe. If you’re constantly in a vibration of discontent and lack of gratitude you’re going to repel those things from you that you truly want and pull the things you don’t want into your life. So, you know gratitude is a very, very powerful force in the universe.

    Take my friend James Ray. The first two words out of his mouth when he gets up in the morning, regardless of where he is, are thank you. Then he starts to think about all the things he’s grateful for, every single day. There’s such a long list of things.

    It doesn’t have to be the most, humongous things in the world either. There are just a litany of things you can be grateful for, starting with your eyesight and your health and your family and going on from there, so when you can get in that space. You know, anybody can be grateful after the fact. It takes a true champion to be grateful in advance.

    He also says that to experience gratitude on a continuing basis you must understand and believe three truths. 1. Your current situation is great and getting better. 2. Your current life is full of things for which to be grateful, and 3. your current results will continually change, grow and improve. Those are your immutable truths.

    Anybody can be grateful after the fact, but when you understand the laws of the universe and you put something out into the universe, and you know that it’s coming to you therefore, you’re grateful.

    Let’s pretend that you won a million dollars, and you’re going to get the money in 2 weeks. Well, you know it’s coming. You’re not going to be worried and concerned about it, you’re going to be excited. You’re going to be grateful in advance.

    When you’re having a child you go and buy the furniture in advance with your spouse. You have the baby shower in advance. You buy the clothing in advance, because you know it’s on its way. Well, that’s the very same principle that you must practice when you’re pursuing your goals, your dreams, your desires, your intentions in life. You’ve got to be grateful in advance because that’s a sense of knowing that is beyond belief.
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  • Profile picture of the author rainman
    Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

    Making money online was easy for me...but now, I'm lost. The only real skill I have is writing articles.
    Hey bro...

    If you can write, then you can make money online...

    I have two courses I would like to give you that have been working for the last 10 years online...

    One is list building (30 day step-by-step)

    The other is product creation (info products)

    I will pm you with download links...
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Not to make light of your situation, but the mention of being the sole bread-winner and the 'other half' doing nothing...I can totally relate!

    My wife and I are approaching 20 years, and while I don't see us separating...I am the entrepreneur whom she only seems to support when business is thriving. Not while I am grinding out hours of research, and seeing little (instant) returns.

    In regard to your need for money, I would definitely place a Huge emphasis on building your list, as you continue scaling-up your affiliate marketing efforts. There are new FB Plugins for WP that automatically require a silent opt-in, as well as plenty of easy-to-install scripts you can install that offer a "pop up offer" (usually a free eBook) or something relative to start off with.

    Brad Callen created a site (no affiliation) I believe is called iWrite.com it might be iWriter.com (i'll update later) but... you can make $2-$3 per article. NOW...if you have a good spinner like (JetSpinner...free) you can create 1000 articles ( though I suggest manually reviewing them afterward) and make a killing writing unique "keyword" rich content.

    The most powerful thing in the world is the "written word" -so if you can write, then write with some automation (spinner) you could easily double or triple your income...have more time for you, and the wife should things change.

    I am guilty of concerning myself to please my wife and kids...but, at the end of the day You need to be happy too!

    I hope things workout for you in all areas of your life.

    Lastly, remember there are only 168 hours in a week...manage your time wisely and take note that those who are successful often work less than 40 hours, yet use leverage ( tools, people, and resources) to manage the work load. This is a lesson I was too stuborn to explore, and have made it my mission.

    You cannot do it all yourself, but only you can help you solve your problems. The solution is often closer than you think.

    All the Best,

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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      There are some "pay per review" marketplaces. The payment runs from 10 bucks to a couple of hundred depending on the niche and the pr of your site. Starting out with a blog you will be on the bottom of the barrel, but you can grow it if writing comes easy.

      You can also provide an offer for service here in warriors, and make plr packages.

      it will not give you the amount you need from day one, BUT you will soon find out how much you are expending in things you don´t really need.

      Besides that, I would talk with the lady and make an agreement to share the house until you get on your feet. I did this with my ex, it was not a rosie life while it lasted, but we made it happen and the kids did not suffer on their basic needs for our limitations. She probably has no way to make it on her own either, so to maintain two places is really not an option. Make the agreement clear in terms of what you pay and what she takes care of, or you will never be able to get out of there.

      From all the ideas... take what feels right, discard what doesn´t... you will find a way, there is always one.

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  • Profile picture of the author poojadreams
    Even i need same help. Really, i want to make money online. I am new one so suggest me in a right way so that i can earn few dollars online. I hope forum members will give right suggestions with their experiences.
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  • Profile picture of the author plongmire
    Hey:

    I think there is more than enough examples of how you can make money online. I was in the same situation in 2008. I did not lose my marriage, but I did loose everything else. I had to make a choice, either bag groceries, shovel crap, or cut wood. It really doesn't matter when your kids want to eat (the nerve of it all)

    But I knew three things needed to happen, I needed to make cash today. I then needed to learn how to rinse and repeat, and then I needed to learn how to create assets.

    Get out there and get a job...doesnt matter...the best way to make $3000 a month is to first make $1500 a month.

    On off time write, more than enough opportunities listed to make money. Supplement your income with this stuff. Once it is making a consistent $3000 a month make the change.

    One place I started my adventure was on odesk and elance. You are competiting for pennies. But you build working relationships, and as far as list building goes, people will purchase because they trust you. You can land about one out of ten bids you place if you are working it. This solves make money today...then start working the last two steps...
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  • Profile picture of the author ArranWood
    Bill,
    If you can write you CAN earn money...
    Take advantage of some of the information above.

    Here's another but I promise this is NOT for self promotion I have kids and a wife, so I know the score. You can see a link to free internet advertising in my signature, open a new page for every email address you have (don't worry I never email it's not for list building) and write each page focused on 1 CB product, and put your affiliate link to the sites. I can't promise anything but my site IS no1 on Google and attracts businesses every day wanting free advertising.

    I advise you stick to writing about CB products that are attractive to businesses such as "Traffic" and "SEO". If you have any Banners for any of your affiliated products upload them ALL to the banner rotator, it's free and each banner will get 1 million free rotations so if you have say 50 banners for 50 affiliated products upload and link them all with your affiliate ID that's 50 million displays.

    I will be needing some content writing myself in a week or two (sorry not sooner) but there is plenty of writing to be done and I can pay you daily if that helps?

    Give me a shout if you get stuck with that site or if I can be of any further assistance.

    Best regards
    Arran Wood
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  • Profile picture of the author Mahara Adhe
    There are a few article sites that offer $10-15 per article. One is Demand Media Studios , another is WiseGeek.

    As one of the previous posters noted, think about things that you could sell or do to make money that don't involve IM. Also, there may be local SEO or Social Media PT positions that you can use to boost your experience and income. Years ago, I had a position where I was paid $15/hr for PT work from home just helping to optimize and rank sites (it was all easy work actually). That gave me some great experience, something nice to add to my resume, and decent side-money.
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  • Profile picture of the author owenlee
    Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

    Hello all,

    I've been a member here for quite some time. I've been a member here(warriorforum) for about 5 years ago but I lost the details of my old account. I've been doing IM off and on for about 7 years.

    Anyhow, I have a real problem. I've spent so much time online trying to make money. I believe it's affected my "real" life. My wife and I are on the verge of a separation. In fact, I'm moving in 9 days. We're splitting because she says I don't give her the attention she wants...I try but I'm the only one who takes responsibility for bills etc., so there's pressure on me to make a living while she just sits here.

    Anyway, things haven't been going too well for me as far as IM. Right now, I'm article marketing using clickbank products. I earn about $500 per week but a lot of that is negated by refunds. I have a child support order which I have to pay $540 per month for my son whom I currently live with.

    I've had extremely bad thoughts lately. I don't really know what to do anymore. A few years ago, I seemingly had it all. Making money online was easy for me...but now, I'm lost. The only real skill I have is writing articles.

    If anybody has any suggestions on how I can get turned around please advise...

    I probably need to earn about $3000 per month to survive. I don't know how I'm going to do it anymore.

    I can't really sleep anymore. I look at my son and to even think that I can't take care of him really hurts right now(im taking care of him but if it gets too drastic, I wont be able to)
    I have seen some of your post earlier on how you made money with clickbank using articles...it has proven that you can drive traffic to your website...

    Since you know the problem with yourself, try building up a list in your market..dont limit yourself to only one niche as i believe you are able to produce much more articles then others...

    Spent some time learning on building a list..the sales will drop to a certain extend as most people will just leave your squeeze page but you need to look at long term...with your list, you are able to promote more than once..

    think long term....

    hope this helps...
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Bill, in the state of mind you display in your original post, you need to take a deep breath and go talk to somebody who can just listen to you and then give you some perspective. If you belong to a church, your pastor or other cleric could be a good start.

      Clearing your head, getting calm and gaining perspective will let you tackle the problem head-on.

      Let us know how you're doing...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    I know how hard it can be to get motivated when everything seems to be piling up and the walls are closing in. Don't do anything rash, if you need someone to talk to don’t hesitate to reach out to friends and loved ones...everyone needs a friendly ear and a little help occasionally.

    I may not qualify as a "friend" but I can offer some help...

    If you're at all interested in Amazon or CB affiliate marketing then I will give you a free account to my affiliate site builder. Since you're a writer it could be a good match for your natural talents and doesn't require you to know anything about building websites (its all push button automation).

    I know you said you've been in IM for several years but as writing is your primary skill you may not be that familiar with product, KW or competition research. If you aren't then I will offer some guidance where needed to help you get started.

    I've been through tight financial times myself...I know it's tough, especially when you have a child who depends on you (been there too)! I don't know your financial situation (beyond what you wrote here) but if you are interested in being an affiliate for Amazon or CB and can't afford to get started I will help you with purchasing a theme, your first 10 domains and hosting for a year to get you started.

    Feel free to PM me if you want to take me up on my offer.

    Best of luck...keep your head up!
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    • Profile picture of the author David Keith
      i love this forum.

      so many who have come from the bottom and know what its like.

      so many willing to actually help those who are willing to help themselves.

      this thread wasn't for me, but i have to say that seeing all the positive and helpful responses has been a great blessing to my day.


      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

      I know how hard it can be to get motivated when everything seems to be piling up and the walls are closing in. Don't do anything rash, if you need someone to talk to don't hesitate to reach out to friends and loved ones...everyone needs a friendly ear and a little help occasionally.

      I may not qualify as a "friend" but I can offer some help...

      If you're at all interested in Amazon or CB affiliate marketing then I will give you a free account to my affiliate site builder. Since you're a writer it could be a good match for your natural talents and doesn't require you to know anything about building websites (its all push button automation).

      I know you said you've been in IM for several years but as writing is your primary skill you may not be that familiar with product, KW or competition research. If you aren't then I will offer some guidance where needed to help you get started.

      I've been through tight financial times myself...I know it's tough, especially when you have a child who depends on you (been there too)! I don't know your financial situation (beyond what you wrote here) but if you are interested in being an affiliate for Amazon or CB and can't afford to get started I will help you with purchasing a theme, your first 10 domains and hosting for a year t get you started.

      Feel free to PM me if you want to take me up on my offer.

      Best of luck...keep your head up!
      Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author royljestr
    If you need to get money you could sell your writing skills on fiverr.com If you do good quality that could build up quickly. Yeah, it's probably not going to get you the $3k per month, but it will get you something!

    You could also look into getting paid to blog https://payperpost.com/
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Bill

    I have spent the last 10 years going though what you are going through and I promise you - it will get better. You just cannot give up. Joyce Meyer said that " People destined for greatness experience great adversity".

    You are destined for greatness.

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  • Profile picture of the author ThomScott
    Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

    Hello all,

    I've been a member here for quite some time. I've been a member here(warriorforum) for about 5 years ago but I lost the details of my old account. I've been doing IM off and on for about 7 years.

    Anyhow, I have a real problem. I've spent so much time online trying to make money. I believe it's affected my "real" life. My wife and I are on the verge of a separation. In fact, I'm moving in 9 days. We're splitting because she says I don't give her the attention she wants...I try but I'm the only one who takes responsibility for bills etc., so there's pressure on me to make a living while she just sits here.

    Anyway, things haven't been going too well for me as far as IM. Right now, I'm article marketing using clickbank products. I earn about $500 per week but a lot of that is negated by refunds. I have a child support order which I have to pay $540 per month for my son whom I currently live with.

    I've had extremely bad thoughts lately. I don't really know what to do anymore. A few years ago, I seemingly had it all. Making money online was easy for me...but now, I'm lost. The only real skill I have is writing articles.

    If anybody has any suggestions on how I can get turned around please advise...

    I probably need to earn about $3000 per month to survive. I don't know how I'm going to do it anymore.

    I can't really sleep anymore. I look at my son and to even think that I can't take care of him really hurts right now(im taking care of him but if it gets too drastic, I wont be able to)
    First and foremost - THIS moment is not the totality of your life. There is always hope and new horizons.

    Second - you have to get your head back on straight or ANYTHING you do - even normally slam dunk things - will fail. Look around ... some seriously stupid people are making a good living online (not the hucksters and scammers .. the real people quietly makin their $7-$12K per month again and again). You have got to tell yourself that if they can do it, there's NO reason you can't. You've got to believe that you're going to pull out of this!

    Finally, you've got to leverage your skill to a much larger level to go from being a tradesman (who writes articles) to running a business. There are LOTS of different ways you could choose to make $3,000 per month. If I were you, this is what I would do ...
    because it uses your writing ability, is set up for free and includes both initial income streams AND back-end upsell opportunities.

    Here it is:

    Go from being a writer to an online publisher on FACEBOOK

    a) set up a Facebook page (NICE graphical one - use a Fiverr to do it) for your community businesses ... call it Oakland Business Spotlight (use your community name ;-)

    b) in the set up of your fan page - put spots available for advertising and GIVE an ad to your local Chamber of Commerce (I sure hope I don' t have to explain why that is so helpful

    c) Do interviews with local business owners to spotlight their companies, their community involvement, etc... and post them on the page. You'll actually want to have a few of these posted when you launch - prior to giving the ad to the chamber.

    d) As you build up your fan base for it - which is typically very quick and easy with a local focus, you can start charging for ads.

    e) Selling opportunities will present themselves through just about every business you interview as it becomes a natural that they see your techno savvy and ability to help them reach their own audience through fan pages, web site, etc...

    f) The Chamber can be a constant source of business contacts to interview (and sell) AND their logo on your site lends instant credibility. You can also offer to give a talk there about Facebook or article marketing.

    If you're intense, you can get this up and running within a week (set up site, conduct 2 interviews and post, get Chamber on board with a free ad) - then start selling ads the very next week - while following up on interviews to see how you could help their businesses.

    Starting with a base of contacts, you could blow away your $3000 need in month 1. But, assuming you've been hiding behind your computer and don't have a lot of local business contacts, it may be a slightly slower build, but still totally do-able to hit your goal.

    Like I said, lots of ways to skin this cat and this particular one may not be what you're interested in, but it's most definitely what I would do in your shoes.

    BTW - while you're building this and need cash for groceries, child support, etc... you can always do a little quick cash type stuff - like finding some cool gigs on Fiverr and offering them for more on Craigslist, etc....

    Hope that helps!

    I'm praying for you!

    All the best,
    Thom
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  • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
    Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

    I've had extremely bad thoughts lately.
    Hi Bill,
    As someone who has experience of depression, your post shows signs of someone heading in that direction.

    If that's the case, you need to attend to that.
    I can point you in the right direction if that's the case, because depression will stop anything else you have in the pipeline, and having someone tell you to cheer up, however well intentioned, is no the answer.

    Cheers,
    Gordon
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Bill - you need some sort of emotional support. NOW. You also need to get up and get out of the house. Go for a walk. Seriously. Get out and get some exercise and get the blood flow moving. That will give your mood an immediate boost and it will give you some time to let ideas just flow around your head a little bit and will help to clarify things. Then go visit a friend or two. You need to talk to someone face to face that knows and supports you. Talking to someone you have history with may help clarify what actions are best for you.

    Next - At this stage of the game I'm sure you and your wife have been over and over the issues. Apparently you aren't getting anywhere with that one. I understand how hard this is. I've been in two relationships that I carried all the burden with no help or support, but put up with a lot of the "you never have time for me" blaming. It will ruin you completely after awhile.

    This is a hard one, but let her go, at least for now if that is what she wants to do. You can decide later whether you want to see your wife about trying to make it work. Right now - you have to stabilize your own emotional and financial situation. You can't do that if she is always there putting pressure on you. A separation, even a temporary one, can make a big difference in being able to think with some clarity about what you want and if she is going to be too heavy a burden for you to carry. If she's always had the habit of giving little while demanding more of you no matter how much you do, she is going to be heavy to carry no matter what you do. That is a control issue. If she's just recently become demanding, there might be hope you can straighten things out after you get a grip on your own life.

    If you have trouble normalizing your emotions and work life soon whether she stays or goes, then get some counseling. These types of situations can tear you apart in ways you didn't realize.
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    • Profile picture of the author goldliger
      Here are a few ideas for you...

      1. Don't *just* write articles to write articles. Create an outline for a 10 to 20 chapter book BEFORE writing your next batch of articles...

      Then, write one article to serve as each chapter of your book. So for example, for a 20 chapter book you'd write 20 articles in total...

      Not only will you have 20 articles that you can submit to article directories as usual. You'll ALSO quickly have a *book* that you can create a sales page for, and sell on Clickbank, offer as a WSO, offer on eBay, etc.

      And *yes*, you can still sell thousands of copies of an ebook despite that you've submitted the "chapters" (as articles) of that book online. The book is a product of convenience where all your information is consolidated for the user/reader. And quite honestly, 99.9% of people won't know the info is potentially available in article directories anyhow. But if you're worried about this factor, simply spin your articles for submission to the article directories and save the originals for your ebook (or vice versa). OR, save a few of your 'juciest' articles for your ebook only - so that the heart of the book is ONLY available for those who obtain a copy of the book.

      2. Do NOT market products directly from your article resource box. Insteand, promote *squeeze pages* (email capture pages) and build a LIST that you can promote to over and over again vs a one shot deal.

      The cool thing is, you already HAVE the 'ad copy' needed for a killer squeeze page - you just don't know it yet ;-) And here's what I mean by that. Many product sellers will allow you to take their proven ad copy - their headline, a 'proof pic' (such as a money screen shot providing proof of the results of their product), etc, to use on your squeeze page, provided you're promoting their product as an affiliate. So choose one of your most enticing affiliate offers, contact the seller, and get permission to use some of their sales page ad copy to create your squeeze page - and there you have it. COPY a squeeze page format that you know is working well. Usually, a strong headline and sub heading letting your visitor know what's waiting for them 'around the corner', along with a 'proof image' or enticing video 'still' is perfect. The *landing page* after people opt in to your list, will obviously be the sales page / pitch page of the product you're an affiliate of.

      Btw, since you're writing articles, you can also send a portion of them to your list as valuable content that they'll appreciate receiving, meaning you're building the all-important relationship with your list and not JUST sending promos... Mix it up - send out promos 3 days a week, such as Tuesday, Wednesday and Sunday (good promo days), and content/articles on Monday, Thursday, and Saturday.

      ...Once your ebook is ready and you have a simple 2 page website consisting of your sales page and thank you / download page, you've got an *instant* group of people (your list!) that WILL buy from you.

      If you're not confident with writing sales letters, Google the following phrase for a GREAT instant sales letter formula that you can apply to *every* letter you write:

      "12 step foolproof sales letter formula david frey"

      Literally, for every batch of 10-20 articles you write from here on out, you'll have a new product that your subscribers will buy. And again, it will NOT matter that you've already sent them some of the articles that appear in your finished book... Consider those the samples of your finished product that they receive for being on your list.

      You can also set up an affiliate program very easily through digiresults.com (instant paypal commissions to your affiliates!) or clickbank.com, and put your subscribers to 'work' for you in promoting your book(s) as affiliates. In fact, if you're writing in the IM niche, you could write a series of articles on how to effectively promote affiliate products. These articles could then 'double' as an autoresponder training course send to your subscriber-affiliates that will help them effectively make more money by promoting your products. And here again, you can turn these affiliate training articles into a BOOK as well.

      3. Set up a youtube channel and convert each of your articles into video articles. This won't likely bring huge amounts of immediate traffic. But if you're consistent with it, it should bring you a gradually increasing amount of traffic over time as you build a youtube subscriber base for your channel. After you've got a 100... 200... 300... subscribers on youtube, many of them will see each NEW video article you post, meaning exponentially more views on your videos... which leads to more subscribers and the pattern repeats.

      ...You can also use these "video articles" to create a video product instead of a plain text ebook (as an option - or in *addition* to the plain text version).

      4. After submitting to article directories, you can also submit a portion of your articles to your blog, meaning additional search engine traffic and a "hub" for promoting your top affiliate programs, your own products, etc.

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      The obvious goal here is to make your hard work in writing articles go a LONG way. You're probably only using them one dimensionally right now if I had to guess. Transform them into 3-D, 4-D, 5-D or more - and watch your income be transformed as well.

      I hope this helps!

      -Bryan Winters

      P.S. Feel free to use THIS exclusive post as a report or "mini formula" to offer to others if you'd like (this offer is for the op only guys - thanks!).
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      • Profile picture of the author ZerosToHero
        Originally Posted by goldliger View Post

        Here are a few ideas for you...

        1. Don't *just* write articles to write articles. Create an outline for a 10 to 20 chapter book BEFORE writing your next batch of articles...

        Then, write one article to serve as each chapter of your book. So for example, for a 20 chapter book you'd write 20 articles in total...

        Not only will you have 20 articles that you can submit to article directories as usual. You'll ALSO quickly have a *book* that you can create a sales page for, and sell on Clickbank, offer as a WSO, offer on eBay, etc.

        And *yes*, you can still sell thousands of copies of an ebook despite that you've submitted the "chapters" (as articles) of that book online. The book is a product of convenience where all your information is consolidated for the user/reader. And quite honestly, 99.9% of people won't know the info is potentially available in article directories anyhow. But if you're worried about this factor, simply spin your articles for submission to the article directories and save the originals for your ebook (or vice versa). OR, save a few of your 'juciest' articles for your ebook only - so that the heart of the book is ONLY available for those who obtain a copy of the book.

        2. Do NOT market products directly from your article resource box. Insteand, promote *squeeze pages* (email capture pages) and build a LIST that you can promote to over and over again vs a one shot deal.

        The cool thing is, you already HAVE the 'ad copy' needed for a killer squeeze page - you just don't know it yet ;-) And here's what I mean by that. Many product sellers will allow you to take their proven ad copy - their headline, a 'proof pic' (such as a money screen shot providing proof of the results of their product), etc, to use on your squeeze page, provided you're promoting their product as an affiliate. So choose one of your most enticing affiliate offers, contact the seller, and get permission to use some of their sales page ad copy to create your squeeze page - and there you have it. COPY a squeeze page format that you know is working well. Usually, a strong headline and sub heading letting your visitor know what's waiting for them 'around the corner', along with a 'proof image' or enticing video 'still' is perfect. The *landing page* after people opt in to your list, will obviously be the sales page / pitch page of the product you're an affiliate of.

        Btw, since you're writing articles, you can also send a portion of them to your list as valuable content that they'll appreciate receiving, meaning you're building the all-important relationship with your list and not JUST sending promos... Mix it up - send out promos 3 days a week, such as Tuesday, Wednesday and Sunday (good promo days), and content/articles on Monday, Thursday, and Saturday.

        ...Once your ebook is ready and you have a simple 2 page website consisting of your sales page and thank you / download page, you've got an *instant* group of people (your list!) that WILL buy from you.

        If you're not confident with writing sales letters, Google the following phrase for a GREAT instant sales letter formula that you can apply to *every* letter you write:

        "12 step foolproof sales letter formula david frey"

        Literally, for every batch of 10-20 articles you write from here on out, you'll have a new product that your subscribers will buy. And again, it will NOT matter that you've already sent them some of the articles that appear in your finished book... Consider those the samples of your finished product that they receive for being on your list.

        You can also set up an affiliate program very easily through digiresults.com (instant paypal commissions to your affiliates!) or clickbank.com, and put your subscribers to 'work' for you in promoting your book(s) as affiliates. In fact, if you're writing in the IM niche, you could write a series of articles on how to effectively promote affiliate products. These articles could then 'double' as an autoresponder training course send to your subscriber-affiliates that will help them effectively make more money by promoting your products. And here again, you can turn these affiliate training articles into a BOOK as well.

        3. Set up a youtube channel and convert each of your articles into video articles. This won't likely bring huge amounts of immediate traffic. But if you're consistent with it, it should bring you a gradually increasing amount of traffic over time as you build a youtube subscriber base for your channel. After you've got a 100... 200... 300... subscribers on youtube, many of them will see each NEW video article you post, meaning exponentially more views on your videos... which leads to more subscribers and the pattern repeats.

        ...You can also use these "video articles" to create a video product instead of a plain text ebook (as an option - or in *addition* to the plain text version).

        4. After submitting to article directories, you can also submit a portion of your articles to your blog, meaning additional search engine traffic and a "hub" for promoting your top affiliate programs, your own products, etc.

        -------------------------

        The obvious goal here is to make your hard work in writing articles go a LONG way. You're probably only using them one dimensionally right now if I had to guess. Transform them into 3-D, 4-D, 5-D or more - and watch your income be transformed as well.

        I hope this helps!

        -Bryan Winters

        P.S. Feel free to use THIS exclusive post as a report or "mini formula" to offer to others if you'd like (this offer is for the op only guys - thanks!).

        What's sad about this thread is that reading Bill's posts almost 1 year ago is what motivated me to take action. Currently, I average around $130 per day which is nearly $4,000 per month.

        I don't promote other people's products.
        I do build a list.

        The above post by Bryan is exactly what you need to do.

        I write and write articles until I can't write anymore. Then in the resource box I put a link to my squeeze page where I get a 50% optin.

        Then I sell them my own product, not some affiliate product that I have no control over.

        The ebooks I sell are only about 20 pages long and I sell them for $7 to $10 and doing pretty well.

        I hope I am making more than this a few years from now. Yes, one day I would like an exotic car collection with the house on the beach.

        But for now this feeds me, my wife, and 2 kids. It puts a roof over our heads. It pays for one decent car and one pretty nice car each month. It also pays for everything else I need and I am still able to save $1,000 per month.

        Mind you, I live out west where the cost of living is cheaper. I started seeing results when I quit dreaming about the mansion and lamobrghini collection and focused on obtaining real results for the moment.

        Bill, all you need is an extra $30 to $50 per day to make it happen. You can do it if you follow the above plan. If you don't, I don't know what to tell you.

        P.S.

        You can buy cheap plr for the ebooks and I use paypal for the processor because I donj't like waiting once per week. You've been on here long enough I am sure you know how to write at least decent sales copy. Go make it happen!!!

        P.P.S.

        SELL MORE THAN 1 PRODUCT. What business do you know that only sells 1 product? This has been my problem and I expect to double my income in the next month by rolling out new products!!! You can't do that without a list.
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        • Profile picture of the author Evolve91
          I came here, read the post, and the financial answer is here. Particularily taking your writing skills to build a list and the way JamesAggie and goldliger (AKA Bryan Winters) outlines it is extremely doable with your skillsets.

          As far as the depression, I know of no one who hasn't had a run in with a whole bunch of life problems deciding to show up at the door all at once at least once in their life, and for the majority of people, more than once.

          As mentioned above, go talk to someone. This may sound off the wall but it is totally true... take care in what you eat. The chemicals in junk food will only enhance your depression.

          Drink pure water, and make it a point to get out and walk no matter how much you try to talk yourself out of it. You gotta do it if you want to get out of the muck.

          Talk to someone, eat better, drink good water, walk, and follow the advice of the two individuals mentioned above.

          Talk to someone
          Action on the advice above from JamesAggie and goldliger (AKA Bryan)
          Walk/fresh air, sun, pure water, high quality nutritional food
          Enough sleep

          The hardest part, if you are depressed, is to get up and get moving rather than wallow in your prison. Force yourself to do the above and keep going.

          With your skills, you have free reports within you that you need to write
          You have ebooks within you that you need to write
          You can easily set up a squeeze page and use your skills to build a list

          You've got it, now go do it. And yes, "just doing it" is the hard part but once you get it rolling, it will be easy for you since you already have the ability to create content.

          You already posses a 6-figure skill. You just need to hone in on it and put it to good use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vimal Gobin
    Hey man, I'm feeling very sorry for you

    Tell me something. How many articles can you write per day? Maybe, MAYBE I can try to help. I just need to know how many good articles you can write daily.
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  • Profile picture of the author uebomoyi
    If you have a some money to invest, let's say about $175-$200. You could purchase this service that's very useful for a site called Fiverr. It's extremely hot and there's a guy on Fiverr who has already made $13,000 using this method within a few months. I'll pm you the link for the video explaining this in more detail. Watch the whole video, I believe it's the 2nd or 3rd method I discuss which can make you money right away since people are in desperate need of that service and are literally throwing money at the guy who's offering the service right now on Fiverr. It's extremely easy to do with no real tedious work involved, you'll know which method I'm talking about when you check out the link I send you. I hope it helps some, good luck buddy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Lawrence
    First, I want to thank each and every one of you for supporting me. I believe I'll get through this. I'm scheduled to move on September 10. Maybe I can finally have peace. There's so many distractions here with my wife being home all day. The only time I really get time to clear my mind and write is late at night but by that time I'm pretty exhausted.

    Yes, the little guy in my avatar is my son. I hug him all the time. I sing songs to him. I tell him I love him practically all day. I believe that's why he clings to me. I never imagined loving someone as much as I love my son. I'm just a little hurt because I've had to do things that I wouldn't normally do just to pay his child support. I can't keep living this way.

    I'm going to work on building a business somehow instead of just writing articles for the sake of a few clickbank sales. I haven't been thinking long term. Several years ago, making money online was so easy for me. It was so easy that I never really created a business. I simply lived for the moment. I definitely need to build a business.

    The words and advice from you guys have been a blessing. To know that people I don't even know want to help makes me feel good. Sometimes I feel alone in this business. My family, wife and whomever I talk to never really understand what I do. They don't really take my business serious. It's extremely difficult.

    But again, thanks everybody. I appreciate the support. If there's anybody who wouldn't mind hiring me as a writer from time to time, I am available. Please feel free.
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    • Profile picture of the author ZerosToHero
      Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

      First, I want to thank each and every one of you for supporting me. I believe I'll get through this. I'm scheduled to move on September 10. Maybe I can finally have peace. There's so many distractions here with my wife being home all day. The only time I really get time to clear my mind and write is late at night but by that time I'm pretty exhausted.

      Yes, the little guy in my avatar is my son. I hug him all the time. I sing songs to him. I tell him I love him practically all day. I believe that's why he clings to me. I never imagined loving someone as much as I love my son. I'm just a little hurt because I've had to do things that I wouldn't normally do just to pay his child support. I can't keep living this way.

      I'm going to work on building a business somehow instead of just writing articles for the sake of a few clickbank sales. I haven't been thinking long term. Several years ago, making money online was so easy for me. It was so easy that I never really created a business. I simply lived for the moment. I definitely need to build a business.

      The words and advice from you guys have been a blessing. To know that people I don't even know want to help makes me feel good. Sometimes I feel alone in this business. My family, wife and whomever I talk to never really understand what I do. They don't really take my business serious. It's extremely difficult.

      But again, thanks everybody. I appreciate the support. If there's anybody who wouldn't mind hiring me as a writer from time to time, I am available. Please feel free.

      People are funny. Until you show up in brand new BMW that you paid cash for no one believes that you're actually making money. You could be making $2,000 per day but if you were living frugally they'd still think you were just screwing around on the internet.

      It kind of reminds me of a family in my town. I always heard they had a lot of money but never believed it because they lived in a smaller but nice home. A few years later they got a company jet. Then they built a 25,000 square foot home. Then got the house in San Diego. I understand now truly how wealthy they are. Sometimes people need to see it in material things to believe you're doing well.

      However, are you taking your business serious? A business consultant of the highest level would say you're not. Various people in this thread have explained that you aren't. Treat it like a real business and you'll see the results of a real successful business. Then your friends and family will see that you're not just playing around on the internet.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill_Lawrence
        I've always taken my business serious. The problem is, I didn't have a long term plan. I don't believe this is hocus pocus. I'm a little offended by your comment.

        The rest of your post was on point.
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        • Profile picture of the author ZerosToHero
          Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

          I've always taken my business serious. The problem is, I didn't have a long term plan. I don't believe this is hocus pocus. I'm a little offended by your comment.

          The rest of your post was on point.
          I am sorry and don't be offended. I am speaking from my own personal experience. I didn't ever create a business. I created a way to make a few random sales here and there off of articles I had written. Then I would get really upset when people would question me about what I was doing. I'd get even more mad when they told me to go find a real job. However, the reason it hurt me personally is because at that time they were right. I could've made more money by working at McDonalds. However, once I started to really work at it and not spend time surfing around on the internet that's when things started to change for me. Then I got a business name, business credit card, and business checkbook. Now people know I am for real. Anyway, that's just my own personal experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Sometimes it's good to just bakc off the grind and contemplate for a while, it's amazing how manu ideas come around during these moments of solitude
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    A lot has been said here that has surely been helpful to you Bill, but the one thing I think is most important is to prioritize the things that matter most to you and concentrate on them. If you don't want to lose your wife, then concentrate on healing that relationship. Ask your wife if she will consider going to a counsellor with you.

    Our daily relationships effect the way we work and interact with online business associates, so getting your personal life in check should be the number 1 priority right now. When things in your personal life are looking up, I'm sure your IM business will start to increase as well.

    From someone who has suffered from depression for 10+ years, I highly recommend following my advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author chaujka
    Dude, I feel you,
    Cheer up though..

    Here is what I would do with my writing skills.

    I would go to londonbrokers.net and register a free a/c.
    Then write and rewrite articles in their database like crazy. I would target doing about 10-15 articles a day. At an average of $5 an article, that would mean about $150 a day ($750/week)

    When I get a little to spare (about $300), I would purchase SBI and make a content site. I would then continue writing for londonbrokers as well as writing content for my SBI website.

    On hitting 30 pages for my SBI site (30 pages=30 articles), I would monetize the site with adsense and affiliate products related to my website's niche.

    Then I would continue writing for my site as well as for londonbrokers.

    Within about 2 months, I would be well above $2,000 a week on income from different sources (affiliate products/adsense/article writing payments).

    I would then start hiring article writers from different outsource websites like oDesk, Elance among others. This would increase my income from article writing..and well, I would have about enough cash by month 5 to start exploring other avenues (or simply scaling this up - more SBI sites and more article writing workers)

    I hope this helps you out.
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  • Profile picture of the author WarriorGal
    Lots of good advice here. I have one more thing to add. Be sure you're not sleep deprived. Burning the candle at both ends can do that. When you're sleep deprived it affects your outlook on everything. Be sure you get a regular amount of good quality sleep. Sounds like a little thing but it is very, very important.

    I read some really good relationship advice in a book called "Love Life For Every Married Couple" by Ed Wheat. It's the concept of giving your partner your B.E.S.T.

    B=Bless (wanting and doing good for them)
    E=Edify (build them up to them and to others)
    S=Share (doing together)
    T=Touch (simple little things like a touch on the arm, etc.)

    I first read that book when my husband and I were separated (It has a chapter on what to do if your partner has already left). We've been back together now for 34 years (married 41 total) and that book was a very instrumental part of our getting back together. It's still in print and still available online.

    I know what desperation feels like. Been there. Trust God to bring you through.
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  • Profile picture of the author sdbagley
    I am so sorry to hear about your down and out times. Believe me, I have been there. There have been times when I was literally sitting in the floor crying and begging God to send me an answer.

    The main thing to remember is that it will get better! I know it does not feel like that right now, but it will. The trials in our lives make us stronger, even if it doesn't feel like it at the time.

    The fact that you have the skill set of a writer already gives you a valuable commodity to market.
    Writing may not be THE answer to your prayers, but it certainly would not hurt to pick up some freelance writing jobs.
    I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but like others have pointed out, just having the talent to write can in itself be a great meal ticket.
    Start by picking up freelance jobs or working with an outsourcing company (that was not a shameless plug, there are some great companies out there who always can use talented writers) while the pay may not be stellar at first, it will increase over time as you increase your reputation.
    You could also create e-books, how to guides, and write for blogs as guest poster, ect.
    I see ads all the time offering to hire people to write for their blog.
    There is an evergreen need for talented writers, and if you are blessed with that gift, utilize it.

    But it is not just all about money, sure money is great, but without the emotional support of your family, it can get rough.
    I suggest sitting down with your wife and telling her how you feel, that you love her very much and you love your child(ren) and want to be the best husband/father that you can, but right now you need some support and encouragement from her.
    As your wife, it is her place to support you and be there for you.
    If you do not feel she can be there for you, but do not want to lose your marriage, seek council from a trusted friend, church pastor, crisis intervention center ect.
    and go together and work out your issues as a couple.
    If she won't go, then by all means keep going on your own, but encourage her to as well (but don't nag if she won't).
    Just please do not give up on yourself, trust me I did that and it nearly cost me my precious children. I would hate to see anyone walk down that road, so please chin up and I promise, this will pass, and you will walk away a better man, and your son will have a real life hero to look up to.. and that is what really counts!
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  • Profile picture of the author regibiz65
    If you can write, then definitely write because writing pays these days.

    Also, if you are interested in selling Smartphone apps to business owners in your local community, that can fill in the other half. There is no investment involved and marketing materials are free too.

    Hope everything works out for you.

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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    This thread is so good I bookmarked it. There's some unbelievable generosity around here, really!
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    • Profile picture of the author ArranWood
      Originally Posted by Hearts Frozen View Post

      This thread is so good I bookmarked it. There's some unbelievable generosity around here, really!
      I agree 100% with you Hearts...
      For people who spend all of their days Selling, it's great to see everyone offering to Give too.

      I think we have all been there at one time or another - that great product you have faith in just don't sell like you expected and everything goes wrong.

      I am sure that there is plenty of information here for Bill to be getting on with and as for Writing, that is only going to get more lucrative as time passes.

      I for one am still screaming out for quality and quantity writers as I am sure many of you guys are too.

      Best regards
      Arran Wood
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  • Profile picture of the author gonzotrucker
    i just got started doing this and im already addicted spending 6 hours a day 7 days a week learning and praticing. i even wake up in the middle of the night just to tweet my blog and chat with potental customers for my ebook. i even dream about internet marketing and all day at work think about it. im becoming consumed by it and i love it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Luis
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    $100 per day... Hmmm... How about writing 10 articles per day at $10 per article?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
    This may not be the suggestion you want to hear but if you have been doing IM (even just on-and-off) for 5 -7 years and are making under 500 bucks a week, then perhaps you need to give it a break and concentrate on building a "normal" income stream for a while. Get some stability. Just about any job with a regular pay and regular hours would be better than a IM project that hasn´t taken off in years and is built on a single income stream.

    Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex.R
    What ever you do, don't lose your family, because then you will be truely lost. There has been some good advice given in this thread already, but you have got to find a balance otherwise everything will fall like a pack of cards. Maybe take a parttime job outside of IM so you don't have so much pressure put on yourself.

    Whatever you do, I wish you all the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

    Hello all,

    I've been a member here for quite some time. I've been a member here(warriorforum) for about 5 years ago but I lost the details of my old account. I've been doing IM off and on for about 7 years.

    Anyhow, I have a real problem. I've spent so much time online trying to make money. I believe it's affected my "real" life. My wife and I are on the verge of a separation. In fact, I'm moving in 9 days. We're splitting because she says I don't give her the attention she wants...I try but I'm the only one who takes responsibility for bills etc., so there's pressure on me to make a living while she just sits here.

    Anyway, things haven't been going too well for me as far as IM. Right now, I'm article marketing using clickbank products. I earn about $500 per week but a lot of that is negated by refunds. I have a child support order which I have to pay $540 per month for my son whom I currently live with.

    I've had extremely bad thoughts lately. I don't really know what to do anymore. A few years ago, I seemingly had it all. Making money online was easy for me...but now, I'm lost. The only real skill I have is writing articles.

    If anybody has any suggestions on how I can get turned around please advise...

    I probably need to earn about $3000 per month to survive. I don't know how I'm going to do it anymore.

    I can't really sleep anymore. I look at my son and to even think that I can't take care of him really hurts right now(im taking care of him but if it gets too drastic, I wont be able to)
    This is going to sound harsh and I may take some flak for it but it sounds to me that you need to try and save your family FIRST. What's the use of having any kind of business if you don't have your family?

    She's wanting to separate because you don't spend enough time with her? If I were you, I'd get that straightened out before I even thought about IM or anything else. You have a son who needs both parents. Is a business really worth breaking your family up?

    Your priorities are all screwed up and you need to step back and try to get things right with your wife. Whether that be going to counseling or just talking things out and setting boundaries.

    If you aren't willing to do that, and you are putting business above family, then I think you have more serious problems than you want to let on.
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