Article Marketing - Mostly A Scam

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Apologies if this has already been posted, I didn't see it.

Check out this video by SEO Moz Article Marketing: Mostly A Scam - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz

In it, Rand talks about how much of a scummy practice article marketing is. I tend to largely agree with his points - I see so many people going on about article syndication, which is fine when done correctly, but we all know that lots of users even here on the WF orchestrate hugely spammy practices, much like Rand talks about.

The message is clear - be real. Create stuff that really looks and works well. Be immensely proud of everything you do, and ensure it's measurable and scalable. Don't stop, but be consistent because you're not looking for the quick fix, you're investing in a long term strategy.

Hell, I could benefit from this advice, and I'm pretty sure we all can. I feel Rand's frustration... what are your thoughts?
#article #marketing #scam
  • Profile picture of the author Power and Wealth
    I think that as an individual, not a company with employees, it's easy to look for a quick or easy way out.

    Can you imagine how much time it would take to put together a legitimate SEO campaign with REAL, QUALITY content?

    It's hard enough for most people to put together an SEO campaign that cuts corners.

    I think Rand has some good points, if we lived in a perfect world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Unlike Matt Cutts, this guy was actually able to differentiate and mention that some types of article marketing are "scummy". His bottomline line is to write things that are real and useful. Sounds good to me. Here's a tiny snippet of his intro:

    Article marketing is mostly a scam. Well, wait... some types of article marketing are really scammy. Guest blogging, legitimate article sharing, and similar tactics are great and sustainable linkbuilding practices, but making up terrible article content and passing it off as something people should read or link to is both bad for users and bad for long-term SEO.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      In it, Rand talks about how much of a scummy practice article marketing is. I tend to largely agree with his points
      I think a lot of people do.

      It's just very unfortunate that people tend to refer to those points as "article marketing" rather than what they really are, which is "one small part of article marketing which revolves around attempts to use article directories for their own traffic and their own backlinks". (That's a real mouthful, and some people increasingly use the phrase "article directory marketing" - also a far-from-perfect expression! - to describe that small part).

      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      I see so many people going on about article syndication, which is fine when done correctly
      Agreed,

      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      but we all know that lots of users even here on the WF orchestrate hugely spammy practices
      I'm afraid so; yes.

      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      Unlike Matt Cutts, this guy was actually able to differentiate and mention that some types of article marketing are "scummy".
      Yes indeed ... it's particularly unfortunate that Cutts chose, while that particular video camera was on him, to refer to "article marketing" rather than to what he was actually talking about, which was - "surprise surprise" - one small part of article marketing which revolves around attempts to use article directories for their own traffic and their own backlinks. :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      His bottomline line is to write things that are real and useful. Sounds good to me.
      And to me.

      The more people begin to appreciate that SEO in itself shouldn't be the primary objective of article marketing, the better they're going to do with it. As so many Warriors have been discovering and commenting, over recent months.
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    Manual article marketing (writing good quality content) is going to be a profitable venture for a very long time. Crap article marketing is going to punish those who practice it, and legitimate article posting will reward those who do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    It is Google's fault that crappy article marketing is profitable to some.

    I am a "quality content" nazi.

    Before there was anything such as Google, and before people decided Google was all that mattered in marketing, those of us who have been around for years were doing article marketing.

    The old school article marketers such as myself focus on building a quality audience, by providing quality content to the people interested in receiving it.

    The new school SEO article marketers focus on building any kind of content to put a link on the internet, that Google will hopefully use to validate the marketer's website.

    Between the old days and now, the focus of the majority has shifted from" giving good people good quality content and providing real value to the audience" TO "just throw some words on a page, add links, and wait for Google to come count it."
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Between the old days and now, the focus of the majority has shifted from" giving good people good quality content and providing real value to the audience" TO "just throw some words on a page, add links, and wait for Google to come count it."
      Amen brother:

      i have been around and using the internet to make money since ... 14k modems were the best thing going ( other then a t-1 of course )

      Back in the day. it did not really matter where you navigated to, it was impossible NOT to learn something.


      While i have made my share of money because of google. i have had many talks with my friends about how google is actually shifting the dynamic of the internet, forcing the internet as a whole to become what google wants it to become. As a business person i not only admire it, i am somewhat jealous ! As a internet user , marketer and ongoing scholar, i abhor it on every level.

      Don't get me wrong, i do what i have to do to make money, when google says jump i always ask "how high" ( and google is only a tiny fraction of our business ) , but man it sucks, and i truly wish, that something could be done about it

      sorry, i know that was a bit off topic. ( other then the Amen part )
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    • Profile picture of the author draede
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      It is Google's fault that crappy article marketing is profitable to some.

      I am a "quality content" nazi.

      Before there was anything such as Google, and before people decided Google was all that mattered in marketing, those of us who have been around for years were doing article marketing.

      The old school article marketers such as myself focus on building a quality audience, by providing quality content to the people interested in receiving it.

      The new school SEO article marketers focus on building any kind of content to put a link on the internet, that Google will hopefully use to validate the marketer's website.

      Between the old days and now, the focus of the majority has shifted from" giving good people good quality content and providing real value to the audience" TO "just throw some words on a page, add links, and wait for Google to come count it."
      Bill, I was totally scrolling down going "Wheres Bills reply?
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    Originally Posted by scorpa View Post

    I would like to know if these steps are correct and if they are not I would like to know proper article syndication technique.
    Sounds quite good, to me.

    Four little observations ...

    (i) You can also try to get the article syndicated, yourself, to some websites in your niche (rather than just waiting for people to find it in an article directory and re-publish it from there if they want it). That can bring some targeted traffic (and the relevant backlinks are worth overwhelmingly more than article directory backlinks, of course);

    (ii) I spent a year submitting to about 8 - 10 article directories, and found that there's no benefit from it at all, really. On the directory front, I don't submit to more than EZA and usually one of GoArticles and ArticlesBase in addition, myself. The extra 7/8 directories just aren't worth bothering with - there's really no remaining value in using directories for their own traffic or their own backlinks. One copy in EZA (and maybe one more somewhere) is good, in case it gets syndicated, of course - that's what article directories are there for, after all - but most people using them to source content go to EZA first and foremost, I think;

    (iii) .edu sites and links aren't worth anything extra for being .edu sites, for all the reasons discussed and explained here;

    (iv) Ezine publishers are always looking for content for their ezines, and this can bring floods of highly targeted traffic, if you find some who'll publish your article. The difficult thing is finding them. The best way is probably to use the Directory of Ezines, but it isn't free.

    (Your PDF idea can work well. I don't "do video", myself, but people certainly say that can work well, too).
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Great. The only thing worse than a poorly spun article with bad content is another rant on the Internet full of emotional tirades, but offering no actual info that really helps someone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Great. The only thing worse than a poorly spun article with bad content is another rant on the Internet full of emotional tirades, but offering no actual info that really helps someone.
      Such as the post I quoted just above? :p

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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

        Such as the post I quoted just above? :p

        -Chris
        So predictable...I knew someone would try that. There's a difference between a comment and a rant. The main one being the length (as well as the words used). And one could argue that a negative statement made about a negative statement is a positive. In math a negative number X a negative number is a positive.

        Plus, I offered constructive help in my second post, something the rant didn't do, you even bolded that part of my quote...Just look at my next post.

        BTW, who is being "scammed", which is the ranter's premise? I may agree some are being hurt, but who's being scammed?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by scorpa View Post

    I would like to know if this a good way to do proper article marketing online.

    1. Write a unique article of at least 750 words.
    2. Submit article to my website to get it indexed.
    3. Submit article to a couple of .EDU/.GOV sites with links to my website
    4. Submit article to top ten article directories with link to my website
    5. Convert article to pdf and submit to document sharing sites
    6. Convert article to video, and submit to video sites

    I would like to know if these steps are correct and if they are not I would like to know proper article syndication technique.
    That's not a bad list, give it a shot. And since you're doing a video any way, take the audio from it and make it into a podcast and submit it to the various podcast directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnw18
    The list looks good, but you should consider (assuming you will be using just 1 article) spinning the article into variations. Then using a unique variation for each submission you do.

    But you will need to spin it well, in order for it to sound good in all variations (manual spinning works best).
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    • Profile picture of the author matt5409
      Originally Posted by johnw18 View Post

      The list looks good, but you should consider (assuming you will be using just 1 article) spinning the article into variations. Then using a unique variation for each submission you do.

      But you will need to spin it well, in order for it to sound good in all variations (manual spinning works best).
      DID YOU NOT WATCH THE VIDEO AT ALL?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dianaiad
        There is a difference between the automatic spinning...and 'manual spinning.'

        Doing a good manual spin takes WORK...and solid knowledge of style, grammar and a whole bunch of other stuff. You have to do more than substitute synonyms. Very, very few people do it well, and that's the problem with spun articles. Spinning something well, so that each and every spun article reads like a good original? That takes solid knowledge of English writing style, a decent vocabulary, and a willingness to do some digging/tweaking the syntax.

        As I said, very few do it well.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    Originally Posted by scorpa View Post

    I would like to know if this a good way to do proper article marketing online.

    1. Write a unique article of at least 750 words.
    2. Submit article to my website to get it indexed.
    3. Submit article to a couple of .EDU/.GOV sites with links to my website
    4. Submit article to top ten article directories with link to my website
    5. Convert article to pdf and submit to document sharing sites
    6. Convert article to video, and submit to video sites

    I would like to know if these steps are correct and if they are not I would like to know proper article syndication technique.
    I thought it looked good until point 3...

    3. forget about the domain extension. I mean really, it doesn't mean anything
    4. Select 2/3 of the very TOP directories at most
    5. no direct experience of this, but I can't see it being hugely valuable. there are better uses for your time (try writing another piece)
    6. Actually agree with this IF you do a good job of it and drive traffic to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Suze Thomas
    Scorpa wrote:
    1. Write a unique article of at least 750 words.
    2. Submit article to my website to get it indexed.
    3. Submit article to a couple of .EDU/.GOV sites with links to my website
    4. Submit article to top ten article directories with link to my website
    5. Convert article to pdf and submit to document sharing sites
    6. Convert article to video, and submit to video sites

    At least to me, thats the correct formula for article marketing. Assuming you want to do it right, and have the article get indexed first on your own site before the article directory.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by scorpa View Post

    I would like to know if this a good way to do proper article marketing online.

    1. Write a unique article of at least 750 words.
    2. Submit article to my website to get it indexed.
    3. Submit article to a couple of .EDU/.GOV sites with links to my website
    4. Submit article to top ten article directories with link to my website
    5. Convert article to pdf and submit to document sharing sites
    6. Convert article to video, and submit to video sites

    I would like to know if these steps are correct and if they are not I would like to know proper article syndication technique.
    Not too bad. A few things were missing from the way I do things, hopefully these help you out:

    * Don't forget to submit the article to your own website.
    * Press releases compliment article marketing extremely well, especially if you have your USP and foundations all set in your business.
    * As Kurt already mentioned utilize podcast directories (you can also get quite a bit of traffic from places like iTunes as well).
    * Find authority niche blogs and sites in your niche and develop a relationship with some of them. Find out who needs /wants quality content. In some niches, there aren't enough writers and content creators to meet the demand.

    I have strategic alliances with many webmasters whereby, as one example, I will post their content on my websites and they post their content on theirs. This is also true of thank you pages (where you have their affiliate link and vice versa), e-mails, guest appearances and interviews, etc.). You can get really creative with this.
    * At least once or twice a month, take your most profitable keywords and type them into Google, Yahoo, and MSN; take notes on who is showing up on the first page. Contact those people and put together a proposal that will be beneficial to both of you. If you're just getting started make sure it heavily favors them. The long-term benefits will be enormous.

    You will also get pleasant surprises every once in awhile.

    * A lot of people miss out on offline publications, but if you're already writing original, quality content to a specific audience, then owning The Writer's Market 2011 edition will guide you and give you references on how and where to contact magazines and other publications to post your work.

    It's a lot of work, but all it takes is one article to get published in a national or regional publication and from there it get's easier because you'll be able to write on your resume that you've been published in "O" Magazine, Glamour, Guns & Ammo, Muscle & Fitness, or whatever your target market reads.

    Lastly, consistency is critical during your first 90 - 180 days of article marketing. You have to establish working habits that are going to see you through the growing pains.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    The message is that articles should be well written and useful.

    I wonder how many threads there needs to be on this???
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    • Profile picture of the author WebPen
      Originally Posted by Kierkegaard View Post

      I wonder how many threads there needs to be on this???
      I'd say about 5 a day.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Kierkegaard View Post

      The message is that articles should be well written and useful.

      I wonder how many threads there needs to be on this???
      My exact thought. This subject is rehashed in this forum multiple times daily, or at least it's starting to seem that often.

      What I am wondering is why the scam and spam techniques are picked up so incredibly fast, yet it takes forever to pound those ridiculous ideas and habits back out of people. Good grief. Guess it's on to the next post topic......let me guess.......list spamming?
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Problem isn't spinned content:

    - It's how effective it is right now.

    As soon as Google solve that part, problem will fade away, and another one will born...
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
    Wow is that guy in that video smarmy and annoying. I had to stop the video and read his ramblings.

    Originally Posted by scorpa View Post

    I would like to know if this a good way to do proper article marketing online.

    1. Write a unique article of at least 750 words.
    2. Submit article to my website to get it indexed.
    3. Submit article to a couple of .EDU/.GOV sites with links to my website
    4. Submit article to top ten article directories with link to my website
    5. Convert article to pdf and submit to document sharing sites
    6. Convert article to video, and submit to video sites

    I would like to know if these steps are correct and if they are not I would like to know proper article syndication technique.
    I used to do something similar to this a while ago. My recommendation:

    1-Yes
    2-Yes
    3-Don't bother
    4-Stick to top 3 or even just EZA.
    5-Don't bother
    6-Youtube only

    The time you save on the steps you skip, concentrate on trying to get your content on other sites in your niche and SEO.
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    Nevertheless, the most valuable article content still continue to stand out and it will continue to be so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shawn Darlin
    Yep. Gotta agree with Rod. Some article marketing techniques are defiantly "scummy" and not ethical.

    But Article Marketing works, it works if you're putting up unique content, not spinning the content into garbage and not stuffing the article with links back to your website.

    Not only that won't work, but it'll also pass negative link juice to your website.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by Shawn Darlin View Post

      Yep. Gotta agree with Rod. Some article marketing techniques are defiantly "scummy" and not ethical.

      But Article Marketing works, it works if you're putting up unique content, not spinning the content into garbage and not stuffing the article with links back to your website.

      Not only that won't work, but it'll also pass negative link juice to your website.
      Not now, perhaps in future. But thanks for the laugh.
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  • Profile picture of the author uebomoyi
    I completely agree. I remember when someone sold me on the idea of article marketing. I was quite upset because I spent countless hours following their advice and applying what they said. It was to no avail. Yes, I got traffic, yes I got click-throughs, but did I make any sales? Absolutely not. I wish more people would explain how you need to have a real system in place in order to start making money online instead of saying writing articles will make you sales. It really doesn't work that way at all. I believe having an autoresponder and all the other essential tools are what really creates a successful affiliate campaign.
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    I agree. I have seen ppl posting these scammy articles. If you are really looking for success then you should write original articles only so that they could be picked up by others and you will get the link juice.
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  • Profile picture of the author m1985nehal
    nice post regarding article submissions...i have tried article submissions for my website...and it really helped me in getting huge traffic as well as backlink building...really helpful ..thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author mijagi
      I agree, good and useful content is the way to go..

      But why are some of you people so frustrated with the fact that some people use crap content?

      Just enjoy the benefits you're getting out of your extremely quality and (perfect) articles and don't bother with the spammers. : )
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  • Profile picture of the author c4822
    I've found several excellent article writers throughout the internet that have been a great help. Also, to post in directories helps a bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sonny1977
    Articles in all the article directories are 99% crap. The title always says something like "blogging secrets finally revealed - become a millionaire by blogging" and then the article tells you to write about something that interests you and try to be creative and .. oh yeah, if you REALLY want to become a millionaire by blogging then just buy this product that will make you a millionaire in minutes.
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    • Profile picture of the author c4822
      Originally Posted by Sonny1977 View Post

      Articles in all the article directories are 99% crap. The title always says something like "blogging secrets finally revealed - become a millionaire by blogging" and then the article tells you to write about something that interests you and try to be creative and .. oh yeah, if you REALLY want to become a millionaire by blogging then just buy this product that will make you a millionaire in minutes.
      Article marketing with directories can be a big help, as long as you're not pushing crap. If you are writing real articles, and not just a bunch of prepackaged material that's already been on the web several hundred times, then you won't have a problem. It's boosted several campaigns I've had 3-4x times over.
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    It all depends where your articles go, most directories are crap and just for backlinking, however submitting to ezine is not a scam, people actually read those articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sonny1977
      Originally Posted by John Moore View Post

      It all depends where your articles go, most directories are crap and just for backlinking, however submitting to ezine is not a scam, people actually read those articles.
      yeah the first paragraph where they give you all the promises and then after they keep on reading and realize that these promises will not be matched they click away pretty quickly.. 99% of ezines are all about selling a product, not about giving answers..
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      • Profile picture of the author ND
        Article marketing might be mostly a scam but that doesn't mean ALL is. I write damn good articles, and spend a lot of time writing them, LOL!
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Sonny1977 View Post

        99% of ezines are all about selling a product, not about giving answers..
        Just a question, Sonny, and absolutely no hostility implied in it at all: do you actually know what an "ezine" is? Are you talking about something else, perhaps?
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Sonny1977 View Post

          99% of ezines are all about selling a product, not about giving answers..
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Just a question, Sonny, and absolutely no hostility implied in it at all: do you actually know what an "ezine" is? Are you talking about something else, perhaps?

          Yeah, I sense a disconnect between "what is" and "what one thinks" is the case.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sonny1977
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Just a question, Sonny, and absolutely no hostility implied in it at all: do you actually know what an "ezine" is? Are you talking about something else, perhaps?
          Yes, it is an article posted at ezinearticles, or at least that's what i meant. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear but i had a 'few' beers and 'some' vodka before writing that so please forgive me for my mistake... and yes I used to make a lot of money writing articles and I don't even speak english as my native language (which might actually be a good thing cause most of the americans don't speak it too well either) And yes, my articles were all about selling something, just like all the other 'ezines' are.. All the best to you Alexa, like you said, no hostility between us internet marketers
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  • Profile picture of the author shuvo
    So a real signal for the article marketers who just like to spin articles and submit to different directories.Its the time to work only with the outstanding and unique articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    Say what?

    Provide quality articles that actually help people?

    Amazing! Next thing you know, they'll put a man on the moon.

    What's next?
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