I wouldn't mind paying $100 or $200 for a quality money making WSO. Most of them just DON'T work!!!

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Hello Warriors,
I have bought some WSOs from this forum. The offers varied in methods, styles and prices but the had one thing in common: They DO NOT work.
Sometimes i think that the only money the person who created the WSO is making, is the money I paid for his/her WSO. And the reviewers make the job so much harder. Saying it's an easy formula etc. Just tell the TRUTH people.
Where is dignity, morality and responsibility? I don't know.
If you know any WSO that do work, please let me know.
Best
jerzykaz
#$100 #$200 #making #mind #money #paying #quality #work #wso
  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Where is [...] responsibility? I don't know.
    I don't know either. I mean the buyer's responsibility...

    If you keep buying "system" WSOs, i.e. systems that allegedly will make you tons of money overnight - you need a reality check.
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        • Profile picture of the author jerzykaz
          Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

          WTF? Now you are getting personal and offending members?

          Not a good start, young man...
          I do appologize. I get aggressive too quickly and it wasn't necessary. Didn't mean to insult you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonas B
    I won't say they do not work.. they might have worked for the creator of the WSO.

    Although the WSO section contains a lot of hype.. people have to realise that there is no such thing as easy money!

    Even if they made 1K a day.. this could be the truth for sure, but the path that they have taken might took them several years! Of course they are not going to tell you that..

    Use your common sense and the responsibility is all I can say.
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    • Profile picture of the author willay
      The 5 things you need to do to be successful at internet marketing :
      1. A wildly successful, truthful mentor 2. list building 3. affilliate marketing 4. product creation 5. conversion

      You don't need little $7 wso methods. I will tell you of the best product I know that is free! You find out who some of the most successful marketers are right now. You get in their sales funnel.. you get in their affiliate program. you analyze everything they are doing in their business..and you follow the same structure because you know it works.
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      • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
        Originally Posted by willay View Post

        The 5 things you need to do to be successful at internet marketing :
        1. A wildly successful, truthful mentor 2. list building 3. affilliate marketing 4. product creation 5. conversion

        You don't need little $7 wso methods. I will tell you of the best product I know that is free! You find out who some of the most successful marketers are right now. You get in their sales funnel.. you get in their affiliate program. you analyze everything they are doing in their business..and you follow the same structure because you know it works.
        ^^^^

        There's a free WSO!!!

        You know, I'm serious. He could have taken 5K words to say that and he could have sold it as a WSO for $10 a pop and people would buy it if he got his sales copy right.

        In addition, other people would have reviewed it and said what a great system it is. Sure, some people (a few) would have requested their money back and said it didn't work.

        However, it is a proven system and it does work! it's called modelling and it is an NLP stalwart. If you want success, you are looking at great advice right there.

        Will
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkJones
    Interesting comments.. Being someone who has just launched a free WSO and who has purchased them in the past I find it weird that you feel like that.

    Each WSO provides something unique, whist not all of them will give you amazing content each of them will give you enough to be able to take a step forward with your online success.

    It might not even that the WSO's don't work, it could possibly be more about how you are applying your new found knowledge. Looking at your profile you have only been a member here for a short time (like me), and to expect great things for WSO's you've just brought is a little bit rich, to earn a quality income it takes time and effort.

    I guess what I'm saying is don't give up, just keep working at it.

    "He who stops will never get to the end, he who keeps moving will eventually get there"

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    I've never purchased a WSO that worked and I've purchased hundreds if not thousands of dollars worth of them.

    However, the ones I decided to WORK made me lot's of money. Granted some methods and ideas don't appeal to me after I buy them so I file them in a "future" or "maybe someday" file.

    The ones I want to WORK on I WORK on and I EARN money every time.

    George Wright

    Originally Posted by jerzykaz View Post

    Hello Warriors,
    I have bought some WSOs from this forum. The offers varied in methods, styles and prices but the had one thing in common: They DO NOT work.
    Sometimes i think that the only money the person who created the WSO is making, is the money I paid for his/her WSO. And the reviewers make the job so much harder. Saying it's an easy formula etc. Just tell the TRUTH people.
    Where is dignity, morality and responsibility? I don't know.
    If you know any WSO that do work, please let me know.
    Best
    jerzykaz
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      I've never purchased a WSO that worked and I've purchased hundreds if not thousands of dollars worth of them.

      However, the ones I decided to WORK made me lot's of money. Granted some methods and ideas don't appeal to me after I buy them so I file them in a "future" or "maybe someday" file.

      The ones I want to WORK on I WORK on and I EARN money every time.

      George Wright

      George nailed it!

      Products don't work, people work or not... :p

      Complainers complain...

      Teachers teach...

      Work works...
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  • Profile picture of the author deaner10
    To me it is all about implementing what is shown in each WSO. Got to work at it to see results I guess since results will always vary from person to person...
    I push everyday because it is fun for me but I have found most WSO's worked for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
    Banned
    Maybe you can look to buy your product from outside of the forum....
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by jerzykaz View Post

    Hello Warriors,
    I have bought some WSOs from this forum. The offers varied in methods, styles and prices but the had one thing in common: They DO NOT work.
    Sometimes i think that the only money the person who created the WSO is making, is the money I paid for his/her WSO. And the reviewers make the job so much harder. Saying it's an easy formula etc. Just tell the TRUTH people.
    Where is dignity, morality and responsibility? I don't know.
    If you know any WSO that do work, please let me know.
    Best
    jerzykaz
    So...if we're all a bunch of dishonest, undignified, immoral and irresponsible people....why are YOU hanging out with us?

    ~M~
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  • Profile picture of the author Liam Ireland
    Maybe it's not that they don't work, maybe it's the fact you haven't properly put them into action and DONE SOMETHING with the information you've just bought...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I have a WSO (no, it's NOT listed in my sig) where I show people a step-by-step method of making money. It works if they work it, but that doesn't happen nearly as often as it should.

    There have been people that purchased it, and I gave them 100% free coaching on how to do it - that's not part of the deal, but it really is an easy method and the coaching isn't difficult. BUT...it still surprises me how people REFUSE to take even the most BASIC of steps....AND then BLAME the seller for their own failure.

    This isn't aimed at the OP specifically, but if anybody here is buying a lot of WSOs and hasn't made anything from them, or received anything of value from them (even tip they could put to use), then it's time to look in that shiny, reflective thing in the bathroom.

    All the best,
    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      True story.

      Many years ago, when I first started out, I was having a very hard time making
      any money at all. In fact, I made $28 in my first 5 months.

      Would you say that qualifies me as a failure?

      Great!

      Now, I honestly had no idea what I was doing and didn't know about this
      forum or WSOs. But I did happen to stumble onto this simple system and
      figured, after I spoke to the creator on the phone (yes, he let me call him)
      that I'd give it a shot.

      Let me add...many people were knocking this system, just like the OP is
      knocking WSOs, saying it didn't work and was a scam.

      Well, I tried the system. Granted, it required building a list and writing good
      sales copy...something a lot of people have trouble doing. But I grew up
      the son of a writer and figured, what the heck?

      I gave it a go.

      I made $300 my first month and $500 my second month. By month 4, I was
      over 4 figures.

      In the meantime, people were still knocking the system saying it didn't work
      and was a scam.

      Why?

      Most likely because they didn't know how to write decent sales copy and
      didn't know how to go about building a list.

      It wasn't the product that was at fault...it was THEM.

      You can blame products all you want, but the truth is, I can probably
      find value in just about ANYTHING and...if I use it...make at least some
      money with the system.

      But I know how to read in between the lines. I know how to LOOK for
      those subtle things that AREN'T mentioned in the product like, "Oh, by
      the way, this WILL require you to be able to do XYZ or at least LEARN how
      to do it." And unfortunately, XYZ is beyond the scope of the product itself.

      That's when people start screaming "Then why don't they put XYZ in the
      product?"

      The answer is simple and why I stopped creating massive home business
      courses.

      You CAN'T possibly cover all possible problem areas. Some people won't even
      know how to upload a file to their server via FTP.

      If you try to cover every single thing that a person will need to be able to
      do in order to make your system work, your 75 page ebook suddenly
      becomes 500 pages and nobody reads it because...

      THERE IS TOO MUCH CRAP IN IT!"

      So you see, you can't win...not this game.

      Best you can do is put together a manual with the main points of the
      system itself and hope that the customer has the necessary "other" skills
      to be able to make the most use of it.

      Point is, stop blaming the products because NO product is going to be
      perfect. Instead, how about looking for what good there is in the product
      and extract what you can from it.

      If you're looking for perfection, you're in the wrong business.
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      • Profile picture of the author SkiBum
        Great Post Steve,

        My personal experience with WSO's, and other products I've purchased is that the most benefit I've gotten is by taking the concepts and ideas and applying my own unique twists and applications to them, and working hard tweeking-retweeking.

        Like the old saying goes, if it were as easy as spending a few dollars on a WSO, and following a short list of instructions, and then sitting back and watching money role in, everyone would be doing it successfully.



        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        True story.

        Many years ago, when I first started out, I was having a very hard time making
        any money at all. In fact, I made $28 in my first 5 months.

        Would you say that qualifies me as a failure?

        Great!

        Now, I honestly had no idea what I was doing and didn't know about this
        forum or WSOs. But I did happen to stumble onto this simple system and
        figured, after I spoke to the creator on the phone (yes, he let me call him)
        that I'd give it a shot.

        Let me add...many people were knocking this system, just like the OP is
        knocking WSOs, saying it didn't work and was a scam.

        Well, I tried the system. Granted, it required building a list and writing good
        sales copy...something a lot of people have trouble doing. But I grew up
        the son of a writer and figured, what the heck?

        I gave it a go.

        I made $300 my first month and $500 my second month. By month 4, I was
        over 4 figures.

        In the meantime, people were still knocking the system saying it didn't work
        and was a scam.

        Why?

        Most likely because they didn't know how to write decent sales copy and
        didn't know how to go about building a list.

        It wasn't the product that was at fault...it was THEM.

        You can blame products all you want, but the truth is, I can probably
        find value in just about ANYTHING and...if I use it...make at least some
        money with the system.

        But I know how to read in between the lines. I know how to LOOK for
        those subtle things that AREN'T mentioned in the product like, "Oh, by
        the way, this WILL require you to be able to do XYZ or at least LEARN how
        to do it." And unfortunately, XYZ is beyond the scope of the product itself.

        That's when people start screaming "Then why don't they put XYZ in the
        product?"

        The answer is simple and why I stopped creating massive home business
        courses.

        You CAN'T possibly cover all possible problem areas. Some people won't even
        know how to upload a file to their server via FTP.

        If you try to cover every single thing that a person will need to be able to
        do in order to make your system work, your 75 page ebook suddenly
        becomes 500 pages and nobody reads it because...

        THERE IS TOO MUCH CRAP IN IT!"

        So you see, you can't win...not this game.

        Best you can do is put together a manual with the main points of the
        system itself and hope that the customer has the necessary "other" skills
        to be able to make the most use of it.

        Point is, stop blaming the products because NO product is going to be
        perfect. Instead, how about looking for what good there is in the product
        and extract what you can from it.

        If you're looking for perfection, you're in the wrong business.
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        • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
          I would say that the VAST majority of "systems", a detailed WSO that shows you how to create a sustainable business and not a "fad" of some type, they ABSOLUTELY work.

          The problem is that people just give up way TOO DAMN EASILY! Part of the reason is that they only have a very small amount of money invested most of the time. If they were running a brick and mortar business and had $300,000 of their own money invested, you can bet that they wouldn't give up after one day, or after a tiny roadblock.

          Below is part of a blog post I previously made:


          Every so often I will get an email from someone who is so excited to
          get started, you can almost see them jumping through the monitor!
          They promise to be 100% committed, and work hard.

          Then a day or so later they email me with a very simple problem,
          something that can be fixed quickly. But, instead of just asking for
          help, they are resigned to the "fact" that it's going to be too hard
          for them to make money, and are giving up on their work at home business.

          This is really a shame, because they COULD have been
          extremely successful!

          The truth is that at the first sign of a minor roadblock, they simply
          gave up. They quit.

          With that same mindset they will wander from program to program,
          hoping to find the easy way to get rich. They have no hope of becoming
          successful while stuck in this cycle.

          To be successful it takes knowing that when you hit a roadblock, you
          must take that extra step forward and conquer it. Have a clear goal,
          and do NOT stop until you reach that goal!

          I understand that for many of you, you're just getting your own business
          started. They key is to surround yourself with positive influences,
          positive thinking. NEVER, EVER, EVER, GIVE UP!
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          • Profile picture of the author john120
            I agree with a lot of warrior members here, i wouldn't say they don't work but everything takes time and making money online is not that easy, unless you are cheating or ripping people off. It takes time and effort to get ahead in the game
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      • Profile picture of the author archetype
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        True story.

        Many years ago, when I first started out, I was having a very hard time making
        any money at all. In fact, I made $28 in my first 5 months.

        Would you say that qualifies me as a failure?

        Great!

        Now, I honestly had no idea what I was doing and didn't know about this
        forum or WSOs. But I did happen to stumble onto this simple system and
        figured, after I spoke to the creator on the phone (yes, he let me call him)
        that I'd give it a shot.

        Let me add...many people were knocking this system, just like the OP is
        knocking WSOs, saying it didn't work and was a scam.

        Well, I tried the system. Granted, it required building a list and writing good
        sales copy...something a lot of people have trouble doing. But I grew up
        the son of a writer and figured, what the heck?

        I gave it a go.

        I made $300 my first month and $500 my second month. By month 4, I was
        over 4 figures.

        In the meantime, people were still knocking the system saying it didn't work
        and was a scam.

        Why?

        Most likely because they didn't know how to write decent sales copy and
        didn't know how to go about building a list.

        It wasn't the product that was at fault...it was THEM.

        You can blame products all you want, but the truth is, I can probably
        find value in just about ANYTHING and...if I use it...make at least some
        money with the system.

        But I know how to read in between the lines. I know how to LOOK for
        those subtle things that AREN'T mentioned in the product like, "Oh, by
        the way, this WILL require you to be able to do XYZ or at least LEARN how
        to do it." And unfortunately, XYZ is beyond the scope of the product itself.

        That's when people start screaming "Then why don't they put XYZ in the
        product?"

        The answer is simple and why I stopped creating massive home business
        courses.

        You CAN'T possibly cover all possible problem areas. Some people won't even
        know how to upload a file to their server via FTP.

        If you try to cover every single thing that a person will need to be able to
        do in order to make your system work, your 75 page ebook suddenly
        becomes 500 pages and nobody reads it because...

        THERE IS TOO MUCH CRAP IN IT!"

        So you see, you can't win...not this game.

        Best you can do is put together a manual with the main points of the
        system itself and hope that the customer has the necessary "other" skills
        to be able to make the most use of it.

        Point is, stop blaming the products because NO product is going to be
        perfect. Instead, how about looking for what good there is in the product
        and extract what you can from it.

        If you're looking for perfection, you're in the wrong business.
        I just want to say thank you for this post. It's awesome to get some input from someone who is so experienced. I also want to point out that you can always recognize an experienced copywriter because everything naturally comes out like copy ( ie. paragraph structure)...lol. I consider good copywriting an art and something I would love to be able to do really well.

        Now.....in relation to the subject of the thread (I only quoted above to compliment the post not in regards to what I'm about to say) I don't fully agree with what the OP says, but I do think it holds true that marketing to internet marketers does prey a little (and by a little I mean a lot) on the newbs like myself. I'm not knocking that or saying it's wrong, but cmon WSO's are hyped as the pie in the sky and we all know it's not experienced marketers who are falling for that. experienced marketers are making WSO's lol.

        Fortunately I come from a long experience in sales and am bulletproof to these techniques. I always give a product a chance and think about it for a long time, regardless of what I'm buying. The WSO's I have purchased (only a couple) have worked as I expected and with the effort I knew they would require I achieved some results. I know there are more experienced marketers who prob could get more out of them. If I ever purchase any product of any kind t's always after due dilligence and then if I get taken on it I don't complain....I don't return (in most cases). Instead I chalk it up to a lesson learned and try to remember it everytime I make a future purchase.

        BTW.....did anyone ever wonder if the OP might not just be trolling for a little reaction?? If so he should make an e-book on trolling cause it def worked.

        I personally love the Warrior forum and have learned tons from being here. I treat it, though, like any resource I use on how to do internet marketing......and that's by telling myself that if I want to learn marketing from marketers I have to look at what they're selling and reverse engineer their strategies. Marketers are definitely the best source of knowledge for other marketers, it's just not direct. Always be on guard in terms of buying what we're selling.....but always be thinking about how it is we're selling it!

        Just my $.02 cents (that probably is worth way less than actual $.02). I know most won't like what I've said, but I'm an honest guy and that's my honest opinion.

        As far as anyone who keeps buying things they don't believe in, that's called lack of common sense and there's no marketing scheme for that. Sorry.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
          Mine do. Totally foolproof.
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          • Profile picture of the author archetype
            Originally Posted by Chris Sorrell View Post

            Mine do. Totally foolproof.
            Yeah but who needs a WSO to know how to set up in a country with a different tax structure while continuing to actually operate in the US state your affiliate account was terminated in? Pretty simple business tactics really
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    If the WSOs you bought didn't work for you, did you bother going back to the WSO thread where you bought it and posting a review? Or maybe even asking for help?

    Putting out blanket statements about WSOs in general doesn't help anyone. If you want the forum to be clean of faulty WSOs - Then YOU as the buyer of the WSO have more of a burden then just about anyone here in doing so. It's imperative that you leave feedback in the WSO thread if you're having a problem. If more buyers did this, then it would become cost prohibitive to post a crappy WSO. Plus it would give the seller a chance to defend what very well could be a misconception on your own part.

    Either way - This is the wrong place to leave a complaint about WSOs.
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  • Profile picture of the author BabyMama
    I think that when buying a WSO you can´t just expect it to make you money just from buying it. There is always some effort that you must put into it to make it work.

    I have purchased many WSO´s in my time and some are good yes, some are crap but I take what I can out of each of them and impliment them into my own business model.

    I am not sure if there is one WSO that will work for everyone but taking bits from each and develping a stratagy will definatly make you quality money in the long run.

    Also the WSO´s that I have found the most beneficial to me are ones that are plugins, software, or ready made site models. The quick rich courses and eBooks are not for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    I've got a couple of friends both joined the gym at the same time. They pay the same monthly bill and when they started they were both a little over weight.

    Now one of them is in great shape and the other hasn't changed much at all. The other one keeps complaining that the gym doesn't work for him - he just can't get into shape!!

    I wonder why?
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  • Profile picture of the author jerzykaz
    Hey Warriors
    Firstly, thanks you for your responses. Especially Steven, George , Legit Incomes and Willay made some really good points.
    I noticed, however, a lot of you say that you need to put work and effort in the WSO and it's not gonna work just by itself.
    Guys, I know that. I do the work and walk the walk, in those step by step WSO, trust me. I get it. What you put in is what you get out. It's very simple proinciple.
    Also from WSOs I learned a TON of valuable information, seriously golden information.
    What I don't like about the WSOs is that they, a lot of times, don't deliver what they claim to.
    I do get your point guys, but please understand me too.
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author matt5409
      Originally Posted by jerzykaz View Post

      Hey Warriors
      Firstly, thanks you for your responses. Especially Steven, George , Legit Incomes and Willay made some really good points.
      I noticed, however, a lot of you say that you need to put work and effort in the WSO and it's not gonna work just by itself.
      Guys, I know that. I do the work and walk the walk, in those step by step WSO, trust me. I get it. What you put in is what you get out. It's very simple proinciple.
      Also from WSOs I learned a TON of valuable information, seriously golden information.
      What I don't like about the WSOs is that they, a lot of times, don't deliver what they claim to.
      I do get your point guys, but please understand me too.
      Thanks
      simple - stop following, start leading

      expect to get it wrong, then try again. something of a cliche i know, but you ain't gonna make it following in the exact footsteps of somebody else. ever.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
      Steven W., I believe, said it best:

      "You have to read between the lines...".

      But, there's a catch - you have to be a LEADER
      to do so.

      This is a common problem with many new entre-
      preneurs. They want to play "follow the leader".

      ...they want to play the "game" they're taught
      to play in a JOB. And, they think breaking a bad
      habit is as simple as making a decision.

      ...and it can be. But, it's NEVER that easy adopt
      -ing a new mindset.

      WSO's are like a treasure map...

      it'll *guide* you on WHERE to go - but it can't
      make you take charge to get the tools to help
      you get there.

      ...sometimes, treasure maps are a little *fuzzy*.
      They're beat up. Dirty. And, few of them give
      EXACT locations.

      ...it's *approximate*. Which means...

      sometimes you'll have to do a little digging in and
      around the area where the treasure lies.

      But, do you call that treasure map a scam?

      No.

      Because it's there for whoever has the balls to
      take it - by any means.

      jerzykaz, quick question:

      Would you give up looking for a treasure chest if
      you came across a boulder the size of Titanic?

      I hope not. Because....

      just around the corner lies the treasure.

      How disappointed would you be upon learning you
      were so close - only for the guy behind you to
      take it right under your nose?


      Originally Posted by jerzykaz View Post

      Hey Warriors
      Firstly, thanks you for your responses. Especially Steven, George , Legit Incomes and Willay made some really good points.
      I noticed, however, a lot of you say that you need to put work and effort in the WSO and it's not gonna work just by itself.
      Guys, I know that. I do the work and walk the walk, in those step by step WSO, trust me. I get it. What you put in is what you get out. It's very simple proinciple.
      Also from WSOs I learned a TON of valuable information, seriously golden information.
      What I don't like about the WSOs is that they, a lot of times, don't deliver what they claim to.
      I do get your point guys, but please understand me too.
      Thanks
      Oh, we understand...

      see my post above this one. The same thing applies.

      Has it occured to you that you may be missing some
      -thing that strategy requires? Copywriting skill? Sales
      ability? Writing skill? HTML? Basic SEO knowledge?

      LEARN to read between the lines, be a LEADER, and
      figure out the problem and SOLVE it.

      You can't solve someone else's problem if you can't
      and refuse to solve your own.

      ...I understand your point. I really, REALLY do. In fact,
      I've BEEN in your position years ago.

      ...the difference is that *I* decided to CHANGE and
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      blame on *something outside myself*.

      What I suspect you're LOOKING for is sympathy. And,
      some Warriors are kind enough to give it to you...

      but I won't because the last thing YOU need is hand
      -holding.

      ...you need a dose of reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author louie6925
    You can't go into this business thinking you can purchase wsos and its all laid out in front of you, the only way to use a WSO is to take snippets from lots of WSO's and create your own methods from them!
    I've purchased lots and very rarely do I not get a little flash of inspiration from them! Yeah they may not all be solid but at that price there is little bits gold in a majority of them!
    A bit of due diligence goes a long way too!!!
    Stick with it and all the best!
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    Buy bring the fresh.com.

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  • Profile picture of the author anthonyb
    It is clear you had some expectations you feel were not fulfilled. Feeling disappointed I suppose is fair enough. But since you have admitted to learning a Ton of valuable information why not put them into action. All you need is to put them into action your own way. We are all unique in how we see things, in what motivates us. You may find by doing things slightly differently, you create an opening. It is really about you looking for solutions to your problems.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I have bought some WSOs from this forum. The offers varied in methods, styles and prices but the had one thing in common: They DO NOT work.
    I'm curious, what are you basing this on? I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just wondering if this statement is based on actual implementation and giving the project time to develop or just reading the product and then deciding it doesn't work.

    I've bought 6 WSOs in the past 2 months and 5 of the 6 have already made me extra money. The sixth one I haven't put into practice yet because that's going towards a project I'm starting in November.

    Four of the 6 WSOs were from people that I already know (they put out quality products) and the other two were purchased after doing due diligence, contacting the seller with a couple of questions, and then making sure it was something that my business needed or would add to my bottomline.

    Which begs the next question from your subject heading, what would your ideal $100-200 product be like?

    RoD
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  • Profile picture of the author IronRing
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    There are definitely some legit WSOs out there (I've bought my share and made back the investment plus more within reasonable time frames), caveat emptor as they would say
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  • Profile picture of the author IronRing
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    Also check reputation, do a search on linkedin to see what comes up for the author, do your due dilligence
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
    Even with the bad wso's I have came across I usually find at least one golden nugget in it somewhere.

    If nothing else the sales page for the the "piece of crap" wso if worth studying. After all, it got you to spend your money didn't it?

    And spending a $100 for education is nothing. The only person who would complain about the price of a product is the one who has no intention of actually using it.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    No doubt, many of this WSO are crap and complete waste of money to buyers but there are still useful ones. And sometimes its effective depends on who actually buys it.

    I have never bought WSO before and would most likely never buy one because i don't need to waste money on things that can be actually gotten and sourced for free.

    What was the WSO you about all about? Maybe, i can refer you to a better place or fetch you information you need.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by jerzykaz View Post

    I have bought some WSOs from this forum. The offers varied in methods, styles and prices but the had one thing in common: They DO NOT work.
    PICK ONE. DO THAT. DO ONLY THAT. COME BACK IN THREE MONTHS.

    Then tell me how not skipping around from one method to another worked for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      PICK ONE. DO THAT. DO ONLY THAT. COME BACK IN THREE MONTHS.

      Then tell me how not skipping around from one method to another worked for you.
      I think it is as simple as this.

      To the OP I am not knocking you as it is easy to feel disheartened but what I find interesting is that people JUST say "IT" does not work.

      What you don't normally see is that they have done to make IT work.

      When I first started out I picked "bum marketing" and was writing 10-15 good quality articles everyday - sometimes more.

      I start to make money and then started to outsource some articles while I continued writing.

      I made more money etc...

      It amazes me when people say that every WSO or method they have tried does not work because it is more a case that it is not working for YOU.

      Be honest with yourself and how much work you are putting in...

      All the best,

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    • Profile picture of the author g36
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      PICK ONE. DO THAT. DO ONLY THAT. COME BACK IN THREE MONTHS.

      Then tell me how not skipping around from one method to another worked for you.
      That's true. Focus on one thing and one thing only. If you don't focus on one thing, it will be waste of time and energy and no one will work because everything in this world takes time to work. There's no instant result, no one can make a million dollar overnight.
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  • Profile picture of the author Snow_Predator
    heh, I'm just surprised this thread hasn't been deleted yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Let me get this straight. There are at the time of my making this post 20436 WSOs listed and you started this thread stating, "Most of them just DON'T work" and then went on to say "I have bought some WSOs from this forum."

    Show me where some and most are on this WSO scale,
    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 ........................... 20436

    That was a pretty big brush you used to paint Most of the WSO's here as not working.

    Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author weblink29
    I never felt like I got ripped off buying any course. I managed to learn something new with every one of them. Some taught me some tricks on how to do proper keyword research, some taught me how to build a decent amazon review website, etc. etc. I didn't expect to be handed the magic key at the end of any course. I just hoped to learn more about internet marketing. Every course I purchased did that. Some of the methods took me out of my comfort zone (media buying for example) so I didn't pursue them but I was still glad to learn the methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    A classic case of the workmen blaming his tools.

    The moment people say they have purchased several WSO's and none of them have 'worked', I immediately know the problem is with the person NOT the WSO's.

    Nothing is going to work for you whilst you sit on your couch eating pizza.

    Tell me this. How much time have you ACTUALLY put into making each WSO work? I mean REAL time where you sat down, focused on that ONE method and tried to make it work? Where even if it didn't work, you just adjusted some things and tried again... until it did work.

    I think you will answer your own question.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      I wouldn't mind paying $100 or $200 for a quality money making WSO. Most of them just DON'T work!!!
      You are right! They don't work.

      I buy them. They sit there. They do nothing.

      Feels like I'm always doing the work part! :p
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  • Profile picture of the author wackiin
    ive bought some that are not great so i didnt follow but the few i did follow worked great and still use a few
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    It really boils down to understanding the system well enough to make a profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jahshaka
    Buying sustems and guides is only the first step,like everything in life what you put in is what you get out,and obviously making a ton of money is going to cost a ton of time and effort. It's not to say the WSO's aren't working,but rather you jumping from method to method,its always safer to stick to ONE method and master it than try hundreds of different tactics.So bottom line,fibd a wso you feel that might be legit,learn as much as you possibly can and start thinking about your business,IM won't ever be spoonfed to you,
    Goodluck and happy marketing!!
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    • Profile picture of the author primusphilum
      Hey Folks I am a newbie here but an old hand in the business world and if there is 1 thing that I have learned over the years it is that 2 people can seem to do the same thing and get different results.

      The key word here is "SEEM", because when you analyze it there is always a lack of action on the part of the person who got the poorer results or a micro change that they implemented because they though they knew better.

      The rules to business are always the same...
      *quality counts
      *market people not companies or plans
      *promote, promote, promote
      *follow up

      There are thousands of ways of making money legitimately but only a few rules.

      Check my blog for tools, training (most of it free) and insightful posts,

      and Jahshaka........ stop whining!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    The problem is not with the WSOs offered.

    It's the people buying...
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      The problem is not with the WSOs offered.

      It's the people buying...
      You've got to be kidding me. I've never actually purchased a WSO but have been passed a fair few by various people who were totally, and quite rightly disillusioned with them.

      Speaking in general terms, any WSO system is say 80% a complete re-hash of either previous WSOs or information freely available on an IM forum.

      Then you've also got the people who say they make $1K a day using this "method" - who realistically would be selling some method which makes them $30K a month for $7 in a report? Even those who say that the method can't be saturated, well anything can be saturated and would you really take the risk if you were making $1k a day from it? The answer must be no.

      I remember a few days ago some member was selling a WSO about how she made $1.8 million in the last financial year. I'm not being funny but anyone buying that needs a serious reality check. For starters her Natwest banking video was from about 10 years ago and didn't show a million pounds, dollars or anything, it was effectively showing what I assume to be her salaried income.

      Don't get me wrong, this forum is good for various bits of information and there are without doubt some clever people here... but the WSO forum needs a real clean up. However this isn't going to happen anytime soon as Allen's main source of income from the forum will dry up.

      I also don't think it will be long before the FTC arrive at the WSO forum's doorstep.

      *Obviously I'm not branding ever WSO with the same brush, there are without doubt some legitimate ones, but there is equally a lot of people selling useless information to those who know no better*
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Underground SEO View Post

        You've got to be kidding me. I've never actually purchased a WSO but have been passed a fair few by various people who were totally, and quite rightly disillusioned with them.

        Speaking in general terms, any WSO system is say 80% a complete re-hash of either previous WSOs or information freely available on an IM forum.

        ...

        I also don't think it will be long before the FTC arrive at the WSO forum's doorstep.

        *Obviously I'm not branding ever WSO with the same brush, there are without doubt some legitimate ones, but there is equally a lot of people selling useless information to those who know no better*

        I have a lot of WSO's available... I don't fear any oversight by the FTC, as others might.

        I have one WSO where people accused me of providing a "complete re-hash of either previous WSOs or information freely available on an IM forum".

        Honestly, I was annoyed at that suggestion, because honestly, it included:
        • 85 pages of text;
        • 16,293 words;
        • and over 225 resources links.

        The report was not based on any other report I had read.

        I wrote it from scratch on the idea, "there are more ways to drive traffic to a website than most people acknowledge."

        I provided 35 "traffic strategies", and most strategies were accompanied by up to about 10 web resources on that topic, which were either places where you could do the recommended strategy for free OR buy a service from someone.

        All of the material was researched and found by me, for inclusion in the report.

        Yes, while it is true that anyone could have done the research that I did to gather the included resources, no one did but me.

        And while it is true that anyone could have found those websites on a given strategy with a little work, the accompanying descriptions of the strategy could not be found anywhere else, as it came from me.

        This particular report earned WSO Of The Day, and it had dozens of strong testimonials, by people who actually purchased the product with their own money.

        I am still proud of what that report did for people, despite the naysayers.

        Fast forward nearly one year...

        I learned yesterday that I was a "known scammer".... LOL Based on the testimony of one warrior who had purchased that product and had to wait three days for his refund!!!

        Awesome!!!

        My point is that I don't have any pity for people who cry about reports that are supposedly "complete re-hash of either previous WSOs or information freely available on an IM forum".

        You might call it such, but I know that is a bull**** whiny excuse for people who are looking to scapegoat others for their failure to achieve success online.

        Try as you might, when you try to diminish me and the work that I have done, you are only diminishing your own potential to achieve great things.


        /rant

        *Obviously, I am not talking to you Underground SEO, but I am responding to some things you said in your post. *


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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    As many people here have cogently and accurately said, no WSO "works."

    A WSO doesn't "work," rather you have to "work" the WSO or system/business plan offered as the core reason for buying that WSO.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by redicelander View Post

      As many people here have cogently and accurately said, no WSO "works."

      A WSO doesn't "work," rather you have to "work" the WSO or system/business plan offered as the core reason for buying that WSO.

      For example, this poster (View Profile: redicelander) released a wso last week.

      It was cheap and was worth 50x what I paid for it. (see the pizza wso)

      I haven't implemented it yet, but I will be doing so soon.

      It is fantastic information, but it will not make me any money until I do the W-O-R-K.
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  • Profile picture of the author benicio
    they wont share the method when its not saturated.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by benicio View Post

      they wont share the method when its not saturated.

      Whine.... Scapegoat Others... Repeat Myth...
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by benicio View Post

      they wont share the method when its not saturated.
      No, it's just that people whinge and bitch until we share a method any idiot can use, and then they whinge and bitch that every idiot does.

      If you don't want to be in a saturated market, you have to stop being an idiot and use these methods sooner. Once the idiots get hold of a method, they crap all over it and destroy it. You need to get the method before the idiots do (i.e. before any idiot can use it), then change it up so the idiots can't use it.

      Let's say you've got this course from the WSO forum on how to build a list and sell them stuff, but every idiot has that same course and everyone is tired of seeing the same optin forms and the same emails.

      Well, before the idiots got hold of it, people were telling them "The money's in the list." But they were idiots, and didn't really know what that meant.

      And years before that, people were saying things like "It's all about that small pocket of people who are highly interested." And that's really what people are trying to say with "the money's in the list," but they're not entirely sure how to explain the difference in those two statements, because it's not enough to just not be an idiot.

      The one about people being "highly interested" actually requires you to be smart. Frank Kern was saying it over five years ago. In fact, I bought a product that says this very thing just a few months ago. And that method isn't saturated, because it can't be saturated. It is a fundamental principle.

      But most people do not understand those. Instead, they wait for something any idiot can understand, and by the time they stumble over it... they're just another idiot in a teeming sea of idiots, all doing the exact same thing, because they don't know how to think for themselves.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        After buying the OP was disappointed because...

        Quote:
        You have to be a salesman, contact people, compete with others, write promo emails etc.
        So basically, it's not that the wsos don't work, it's that the OP doesn't want to do the work, despite his claiming otherwise. Sounds about right.
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  • Profile picture of the author glinda2011
    The truth is some products are only good in reviews..
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  • Profile picture of the author thekaver
    I think the problem alot of people have like myself when i was starting out, is you buy a wso and try to make it work

    you then give up too early on it cause you never made the claimed $ million over night.

    so you buy another.... then again give up to early..... on so on.....

    a few months down the line you got information overload and a empty wallet!

    For this reason i decided to get a mentor and so far i never looked back!

    Take one method and make it work!
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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      Originally Posted by thekaver View Post

      I think the problem alot of people have like myself when i was starting out, is you buy a wso and try to make it work

      you then give up too early on it cause you never made the claimed $ million over night.

      so you buy another.... then again give up to early..... on so on.....

      a few months down the line you got information overload and a empty wallet!

      For this reason i decided to get a mentor and so far i never looked back!

      Take one method and make it work!
      THIS! Find something and STICK TO IT!

      The #1 reason people fail, is because they give up too early and move on to something else. They would have been much better off continuing to work the original business.
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  • Profile picture of the author daveman
    Originally Posted by jerzykaz View Post

    Hello Warriors,
    I have bought some WSOs from this forum. The offers varied in methods, styles and prices but the had one thing in common: They DO NOT work.
    Sometimes i think that the only money the person who created the WSO is making, is the money I paid for his/her WSO. And the reviewers make the job so much harder. Saying it's an easy formula etc. Just tell the TRUTH people.
    Where is dignity, morality and responsibility? I don't know.
    If you know any WSO that do work, please let me know.
    Best
    jerzykaz
    You are right but you are also missing the point.... I think there is no sure fire way to make money... WSO or no WSO... but at the same time You can make money doing Hundreds of thing, you are only limited by your imagination.

    My point is nothing is guaranteed in life, just because someone else makes money doing something is no guarantee that we all will make money doing the same thing.

    You don't need WSOs to make money... just study b2b and b2c markets and see what people want to buy then sell it to them.
    If you need help setting things us, just visit your local library and study books on what every you need to know. I would also use business support services, here in the UK we have business link and other services offered by business development agencies.

    You can also use us as a free business advice resource ... I'm sure between us we've all Invested in hundreds of WSOs

    good luck pall
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The disconnect here is this is another person who is buying into headlines and testimonials rather than substance - often with no clue what work is involved.

      The WSOs the OP has posted in are widely varied and have no connection to one specific business method. For example, a "broker" works with people on his left and on his right. That's the broker's business model. After buying the OP was disappointed because...

      You have to be a salesman, contact people, compete with others, write promo emails etc.
      If you are buying WSOs based on the amount of money that "can be made" you will lose. Sit back and figure out WHAT business you want to start online. Then buy only things that help to get that particular method going.

      Stop buying the WSOs that don't TELL you what they are. If the whole sales page is about "what this isn't" instead of "what this is" - don't buy it no matter how much money per day it promises.

      You cannot BUY an income online - a WSO is a guide. You are the driving force and until you sit down and start the engine you'll go nowhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    placing value on any product is hard. and things change including the situation of the user.

    its very hard to write a "how to" book for most subjects when your audience is people with such a wide variety of skills, resources, experiences.

    now you talk about how to make money online, which is a fairly complex issue. certainly there are some basics, but remember your first how to paper in like 2nd grade when you had to tell others how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

    its a pretty simple task, but people would forget to say things like open the peanut butter or where to put the jelly. you see, when the instructions were followed to the letter, most of them had errors.

    i fully believe most how to make money products and probably wso to a slightly greater degree, have very much the same issues.

    they are all solid information, but none will tell you exactly and cover absolutely everything you need to do.

    you have to use that brain between your ears.

    i have bought many of the higher end courses...stuff that costs 1k+. and to be honest, they are more complete, but rarely could be followed to the letter for each individuals project.

    i think its about personal responsibility. most people like to blame others when if they had put in just a little more effort, they could have put together the few missing links.

    oh and most importantly... DO marketing instead of studying marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    Originally Posted by jerzykaz View Post

    Hello Warriors,
    I have bought some WSOs from this forum. The offers varied in methods, styles and prices but the had one thing in common: They DO NOT work.
    Sometimes i think that the only money the person who created the WSO is making, is the money I paid for his/her WSO. And the reviewers make the job so much harder. Saying it's an easy formula etc. Just tell the TRUTH people.
    Where is dignity, morality and responsibility? I don't know.
    If you know any WSO that do work, please let me know.
    Best
    jerzykaz
    Best way to find one that works is to stop paying attention to the ones that say...

    I CRACKED THE CODE WITH A SUPER DUPER, BRAIN DEAD EASY, POINT AND CLICK, MILLIONAIRE MAKING, AUTOMATED, PROVEN, 100% SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIED CASH-SUCKING SYSTEM THAT CAN BE YOURS FOR ONLY $1. START MAKING MONEY IN 37 SECONDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You're spot on about those kinds of products "only making money by selling the product. Just do an internet search on "how to make money with WSO" and you'll find people TELLING you that's how it's done.

    Only reason this works is because of something P.T. Barnum said a long time ago: "There's a sucker born every minute."

    As long as that's true, people will keep selling the snake oil.

    Get one of Dan Kennedy's books, if you're looking for balls to the wall, no BS advice. He's my go to guy. I don't buy WSOs, and I make plenty of money without them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

      I CRACKED THE CODE WITH A SUPER DUPER, BRAIN DEAD EASY, POINT AND CLICK, MILLIONAIRE MAKING, AUTOMATED, PROVEN, 100% SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIED CASH-SUCKING SYSTEM THAT CAN BE YOURS FOR ONLY $1. START MAKING MONEY IN 37 SECONDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Great headline

      Wouldn't be at all surprised to see someone using that soon

      Will
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulFL
    WSO's don't work, people do.

    There's no doubt there is a lot of crap out there but I've purchased several WSO's that gave me ideas I profited from. If you're buying product after product without a consistent action plan to implement a strategy, you won't make money - period. If your product hopping to find the one that will suddenly fill your coffers with gold, you're not being realistic.

    I'm in the process of finalizing my first WSO for offline marketers. If buyers do what I teach, they will most likely get several new clients. If they say, "that's a good idea," do nothing and expect clients to roll through the door, it's not going to happen. If they decide to ignore my advice and do it their own way, it may or may not work but at least they're acting.

    If you buy something and it sucks, get your money back and give a valid review on the forum so others can use your opinion to help them make a buying decision. Quit product hopping and settle on a strategy. Implement and continue to act towards a goal. If it's not working, ID the reasons and use the lesson to insure you don't repeat your mistakes.

    It's about you working for you, not WSO's working for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author TracyNeedham
    "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" is a time-worn cliché for a reason...

    But when it comes to making money, some people like to check their brains at the door. More people need to read sales letters looking for the substance and not the sizzle.

    As someone else pointed out, it's not fair to say a system doesn't work if part of it requires you to be good at something you're not. As a copywriter, I think they should disclose if there are things you need to be good at in the sales letter -- that way you can either skip the product or know ahead of time that you'll need to find someone else to do it/get better at it.

    On the other hand, far too many people just implement bits and pieces of a system and then get all ticked off when it "doesn't work."

    "System" does not equal "menu" -- it's called a system for a reason...

    I'm not saying that's the case with the OP, as I really don't have much info to go on there. But since a lot of people have jumped on the "most WSO's are crap" bandwagon in this thread (including those who say they never buy WSO's--they just see all the "bad" ones their friends forward to them LOL ) I thought it worth pointing out.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by TracyNeedham View Post

      "If it sounds too good to be true..."
      I thought that means we should then sell it as a WSO.
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      • Profile picture of the author archetype
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        I thought that means we should then sell it as a WSO.
        Exactly.....and a lot of struggling newer marketers will buy it and still fail. A few though have enough solid income of another source to keep buying them and continue to fail. Marketing to crappy marketers.....genius.
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  • Profile picture of the author HammerFist
    jerzykaz -

    Here's the lowdown on what built my ecommerce site that pays for me and a few employees full time:

    1. Know your niche. Know what you want to do and why. Preferably build off of your own expertise.

    2. Build good content that people want to read and that gives them good and valuable information. The value doesn't have to be a dollar value, but rather intrinsic value. See sites like momsteam.com - it's real information targeted to the market.

    3. Take time to build a solid product offering. We ran content for over a year before launching a physical store. This was for a few reasons. Part of it was that the ad supported model didn't work and then it took time to negotiate our wholesale and drop ship agreements with our partners.

    4. Build a community. The good content that brings regular readers also brings regular comments and contributions and that builds a community of fans and supporters. Those core supporters really help drive the business and they let you know when you screw things up too.

    Add to this all of the basic business 101 stuff that you can get out of a $10 book at Barnes and Nobel and you're good to go. It is not fast, it is not easy, but it can and does work.

    There are lots of WSO stuff out there that can help you earn an extra $100-$200 per month but to take any of them and build it to a full time income takes time, effort, and the ability to think and apply business logic to what you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author jerzykaz
    Hey guys,
    Thank you for pointing out some things to me, it made me thinking about my approach to WSO and internet marketing. Really valuable advice here.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicelife
    I've bought WSO's for several hundreds of dollars but they have never worked for me. Most systems worked out by other people just doesn't fit into my way of working and thinking.

    I have worked out my own systems and ways to make money that suits my way of working and thinking.

    Does that mean I think it has been a waste of money? . . . H*** NO!

    All the stuff I learn from the WSO's I buy has been invaluable to my business!

    I almost always learn something new, that I can use and apply in my own way and in my own systems.


    I don't think that copying one other persons methods work for creative people that want to think on their own, I believe most of us have to find our own way of working.

    At least it seems like that and I find myself fitting into that category.
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    • Profile picture of the author Magic Johnson
      Well. You need to have the fundamentals set before you can start any online business. I believe a lot of internet marketers run their minds towards this, on autopilot.

      I want newbies to know that...

      Sometimes your ads will fail with the best methods, your article marketing will suck, and you will rank your main keywords on Google on page 4. After days or weeks of hard work.

      That's when you start hitting it even harder and start figure out how you can suceed with your web site or blog.

      You need to find the best web designer possible.

      Write and edit your articles. Learn about seo. And optimize your web site to bring in sales.

      As you can see, there are no big mysterious about making money online. You just need to think like a pro and do everything better than your competition. That my friend, can take some time. Especially when you are just starting out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
    I feel that people who really and truly make money, then really do have a great product to offer....People like this are creative, they know how to do more than just sell a product , but also supply a great product that really works and last for month even years.

    I've sold products online for years, my longest running product selling lasted 6 years, before the market became full of copycat sellers...but hey it took them 6 years to figure out where in China I purchased a product that I paid $100 each for and sold for $265.00 each.....everyone dreams of products like this, but I had the market cornered for years...and made as much as 26,000.00 in a month !!
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  • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
    I guess WSO's usually do work, but authors do not do a lot of explaining.
    If you look more closely, you will find 1 or 2 gems in each WSO that might help you with your problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Gehr
    I'm going to assume that you are looking for easy money (and I stand corrected if I'm wrong).

    If that's the case, that may very well be the problem, and I mean this with all sincerity.

    If it were easy, everyone would be doing it.

    There's a real misconception that pervades that IM is easy, fast money, and cheap to do...wrong on all counts.

    If you were to get really specific on exactly what it is that you want to achieve, and what it is that you need to learn in order to reach that goal, write it all down, and post it on the WF.

    I think you may be surprised to see who will come to your aid and offer you all kinds of input that will aid in your endeavors.

    Rather than point out the fact that none of the tools that you've purchased so far have worked, I'd challenge you to put down your sword, and take up a pen and write down in every detail as to what sort of help you need, and you will find that the noble, the honest, the generous, the knowledgeable, the experienced and the successful will step forward to offer you help in the form of advice, tools and systems that will help you...right here on the Warrior Forum.

    If you are vague and general in your presentation, chances are the replies will be reciprocated via indistinct and broad ambiguities.

    However, if you put it out there in a clear and detailed presentation, I guarantee you will receive copious and actionable advice.

    Let your needs be made known and the good people within this forum will be there to help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ayush Sharma
    How many can you honestly tell me, that you gave each of the wso that you bought you gave atleast a month to it?.. You have to really dig in.. if your just buying because it worked for somebody else.. your making a mistake yourself.

    Ayush
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
    It really matters what you're buying. If you're looking for a completely new way to make money, then I wouldn't suggest buying any WSOs. But if you're looking into further research in specific areas of marketing then you can find some great gems in there.
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