Are you too failing because you expect to?

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Hi Warriors,

I've been talking to some IMers recently that seem to have a knack for making every system possible fail for them.

Sometimes they're saying that "blogs don't work".

Obviously, since a blog is just a bunch of web pages - when it comes to making money there's no reason a blog page can't make money in just the same way as any other web page, so I'm not really sure how they got this blog-block when it comes to using them to make money. Perhaps someone here might understand why this would be?

The other thing is when it comes to prioritising.

I would imagine that everyone understands the concept of 'see what works and then do more of it'. So as long as you approach things from a rational perspective and make sure that your efforts are in response to a need that you've identified - eventually you'll get it right and make it clear to someone that it's what they're after.
Once you make one sale, you know that your model fundamentally works and can tweak it from there.

But there seem to be people still making money with one method and then ditching it to try others - is it just me that thinks this seems strange?

The other thing I've seen (way too often now) is people doing things which they don't expect to succeed with. Article marketing is a classic but I've seen many examples. I ask someone what they're focusing on to grow their business and they say "article marketing", cool! "so what are you finding work?" - "err... well I don't really know. It doesn't seem to make much difference but I've been told it's a good thing to do".

Now the "it doesn't seem to work" bit should be ringing alarm bells - but "I've been told it's a good thing to do" seems to have over-ridden any normal built-in senses.

When it comes to doing IM, 'most' people in my experience tend to do most of their activities themselves. So if people are doing things that they don't think are working, but keep doing them anyway - I can't see that they're likely to be really motivated to them effectively.

In business there's a saying that goes "slow to hire, quick to fire", which if you're not familiar with it basically means spend time on the process of bringing someone onboard but if they're not supporting your business in the way you need - don't procrastinate in stopping them problem continuing.

IM is a little different, but even if you're doing things yourself - if something is not working, not growing your business, distracting you from productive things - you should definitely consider keeping this phrase in mind.
Fire those time-wasting activities that are keeping you busy but not making money.

Fire those tools and systems that you don't get results with - stick with more of what DOES work for you.


I know that many people new to IM have no business, no marketing and no sales experience and may not be technical either - but non of that actually makes any difference to whether you can make decent money or not.

The only thing that matters is that you spend your time wisely and no matter how little of it you have, that you spend it on things which you KNOW will move your forward.

If you're doing something 'hoping' it will make a difference and you have no evidence that it is - stop doing it and start doing something else.

Make sure that your new efforts support your previous ones and are in-line with what you're trying to create.

Making money is not hard and most commonly debated IM methods work if you just approach them in a focused and systematic way.

If you're doing things that you're not really expecting to get you the results you want - just stop and consider what would actually be the best use of your time. Don't start getting busy with something until you feel confident that it will actually get results - and if it doesn't, don't just keep doing it - ask yourself what needs to change.

Whatever you try - if you give it a good go, with a sound model it should make 'something'. Whatever that is - think about how to do it again. Once you can repeat a process that makes money you just need to work out how to keep it happening in a way that you can continually grow.

It's like with PPC - once you can make more than you're spending - you can make more money simply by spending more.

Once you can make an activity pay enough for you to pay someone else to do it and still make money - get someone else doing it.

By operating in this way, you don't need some massive lottery-win type product launch to make great money, just lots of money making small things which you can repeat.

Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
    Hi Andy,
    Sometimes they're saying that "blogs don't work".

    Obviously, since a blog is just a bunch of web pages - when it comes to making money there's no reason a blog page can't make money in just the same way as any other web page, so I'm not really sure how they got this blog-block when it comes to using them to make money. Perhaps someone here might understand why this would be?
    Yes. You're correct with your 'any other web page' analogy, and the people you reference are mistaken.

    The reason I believe it happens is to do with something I learned from a blog by a bloke called 'Griz' - I don't know if you've come across him.

    It's because the majority of people don't understand the difference between an internet marketer (who happens to use a blog), and a blogger. And the majority of them get drawn into the blogger model stylised by problogger, John Chow etc. The traffic is more social traffic (more bloggers) than search powered, and these people want to read, not spend money.

    They might have many RSS subscribers and also have written many great posts, with much feedback and interaction happening in the comments - yet they earn no money - hence their assumption that 'blogs don't work'.

    Therefore the content management system has nothing to do with it (as you pointed out). It's the 'model' that they are following and hence the type of traffic that they get.

    All of these different factors are not usually considered together as a whole by the masses (in general) so they summize that 'blogs don't work.'

    For anyone seeking further info, spend time and dig deep on this site (there are reasons why) to find more info on this subject (not my site BTW). Don't be put off by 'looks' either

    How to Make Money Online for Beginners: Making Money Online with Social Traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    I'm surprised that a content packed post like this received very little attention..

    Yet there's a big bitch fest going on and the whole forum is consumed by it..

    Anyways.. onto your points Andy.

    I think with the "blogging doesn't work" thing. Too many people see blogging as a profit source, when really what they need to do is use their blog as a traffic source. Yes, those same blogs will bring revenue if you use them well, but when the rubber meets the road.. you need to tailor your blogging to long tail keyword traffic that will then move to your domain..

    On most of my domains.. I always use the domain.com/blog format, using the blog as a content log and the root as the selling platform, whether that be an affiliate pre-sell, review page or squeeze page. Healthy income will come from the blog over time, but I much prefer to use it as a traffic generation task as opposed to trying to profit directly right away.

    The other point you touch upon is:

    Scaling

    Start small, scale big

    If something doesn't work on a small level, then it most certainly isn't going to work on a larger scale. Starting small always leads to an answer for the question..

    Should I do more of this activity?

    If I step into a niche and 20 articles doesn't bring me results.. then my writing stops and I look into other avenues..

    Hire slowly, fire quickly.. LOVE it

    Peace

    Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    Very good post ... I do appreciate this forum.

    I think that some failing IM'ers jump from strategy to strategy too quickly. So they set up a blog make no money with it an move on to say article marketing ... instead of identifying the problem and fixing it.

    It's worth pointing out that it seems to me you can get help with anything in this forum including feedback on your blog, site and I guess articles.

    So to summarise maybe the issue is to with how some IMers tackle and overcome the invetiable challenges.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author sunnyman
    ExRat: Thanks for the excellent link to Grizzly's blog article!
    It made me instantly go over some of my blog settings...
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I think I might have something I can contribute to this only because I have
      so many blogs for multiple purposes.

      The problem that people have with blogs, IMO, is that they don't understand
      what the purpose of their blog is for.

      For example, a blog can be used primarily to review products as an affiliate.
      By sending people to the blog either through an article or maybe a well
      written pay per click ad, you are preselling the prospect on the product
      by reviewing it. This can be an effective way to make sales if you focus
      on that purpose and don't clutter the blog with items that will detract from
      the main purpose, such as other articles not there for the purpose of
      promoting the product.

      A blog can also be used for your own content...articles that are meant
      to be informative.

      These blogs can also be monetized by the use of a well written resource
      box promoting a product that directly relates to the info given on the blog
      post or by offering a free report or newsletter in order to build an opt in
      list.

      While the sale itself may come from the emails sent to the opt in list, it
      was the blog that started the process.

      By understanding the process and what it is you're trying to achieve
      beforehand, you'll have a better chance at having success with your
      blog.

      I like to think of it as a mini business plan.

      Anyway, excellent thread Andy.

      Yes, it is a shame it hasn't gotten more attention.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I think I might have something I can contribute to this only because I have
        so many blogs for multiple purposes.

        The problem that people have with blogs, IMO, is that they don't understand
        what the purpose of their blog is for.
        I agree = the same with any website /page
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  • Profile picture of the author Jessica Lynn
    Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

    Making money is not hard and most commonly debated IM methods work if you just approach them in a focused and systematic way.
    I completely agree.

    Many people start projects without really dedicating themselves to it, leading to disappointing results.

    Planning, staying focused and building on strategies or projects that have proven to be profitable are important factors to making it online. Doing something in a half-assed manner because you don't expect that it will work guarantees that it won't work for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

    I know that many people new to IM have no business, no marketing and no sales experience and may not be technical either - but non of that actually makes any difference to whether you can make decent money or not.
    I think it does make a difference Andy.

    People with business, marketing and sales experience
    have a distinct advantage. They understand just how
    important it is to have long term, medium term and
    short term goals.

    Experienced business people understand much more
    about establishing processes and they know what needs
    to be measured and how to go about measuring it.

    Professional sales people have a better understanding
    of selling benefits and how to close a sale.

    The problem, as I see it, is that too many so called
    experts tell people how easy it is to get started without
    knowing from which point the person new to Internet
    Marketing is starting from.

    Everyone who comes into our industry brings with them
    their own unique set of skills and experience. This forum
    is a prime example of the diversity of backgrounds.

    In my opinion, it's critically important to understand the
    real learning needs of the individual customer
    and not
    try to teach everyone as if they are completely ignorant.

    John
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