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Lately, I've noticed a lot of hopeful internet marketers here in the forum asking all kinds of questions about the best way to do this or that to make money.

It seems most often that, to some at least, it's better to just ask a question than it is to go out and actually try something to see what works.

You're assuming that what works for others will work equally well for you.

Now don't get me wrong -- asking others for advice is OK -- sometimes.

But I will tell you from my own experience that jumping in and trying something, even if you screw it up royally, will teach you more and better about how to actually DO THINGS than if you simply ask for something to be handed to you on a silver platter.

The art of learning from one's own mistakes is one of the most useful skills an IM professional can develop! Become an expert at it and your income will skyrocket.

Don't be afraid to make mistakes. Make them often. Get over them quickly. Learn from them. Move on. Don't repeat them.

Steve
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    Experience is always the more valuable of the two options.

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  • Profile picture of the author ColinChia
    AGREED!

    "OWN IT" - Do it like you've been doing it for all your life, put your everything into it. If your not willing to commit 100% into it, don't do it at all. Because if it's not your BEST, it won't be profitable or fun, and if you're not in it for fun or profit, what the hell are you doing here?

    ...and, of course learn from your fellow warrior members!

    Hope my little rant helps,

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  • Profile picture of the author Yoong
    I think the main response, people asking these question want is whether methods really work?

    With emails such as "99.7% of marketers will fail", it's disheartening to those who want to step into the market.

    It's a sad fact, making money "online" is still seen as some oasis that never can be reached and if you actually tell people you make money online - the usual response is "Is it Legit?".

    For anyone who really wants to know whether method a or method b will work? Maybe or Maybe Not.

    Are there people making money online? Yes

    Although I agree with Steve, that you need to actually DO SOMETHING, to get results.

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Fail and fail fast.
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      • Profile picture of the author Net Solutions
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        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        Fail and fail fast.
        Yup..For every failure we encounter, the chances of success rises by 10% per failure!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Pitt
    Great my good buddy Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    So true.

    You learn a lot more by actually taking action versus talking about taking action.

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  • Profile picture of the author vampiro
    Experience is indeed the best teacher.

    Fail hard, succeed easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author uebomoyi
    Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

    Lately, I've noticed a lot of hopeful internet marketers here in the forum asking all kinds of questions about the best way to do this or that to make money.

    It seems most often that, to some at least, it's better to just ask a question than it is to go out and actually try something to see what works.

    You're assuming that what works for others will work equally well for you.

    Now don't get me wrong -- asking others for advice is OK -- sometimes.

    But I will tell you from my own experience that jumping in and trying something, even if you screw it up royally, will teach you more and better about how to actually DO THINGS than if you simply ask for something to be handed to you on a silver platter.

    The art of learning from one's own mistakes is one of the most useful skills an IM professional can develop! Become an expert at it and your income will skyrocket.

    Don't be afraid to make mistakes. Make them often. Get over them quickly. Learn from them. Move on. Don't repeat them.

    Steve
    I agree with this concept to a certain degree. I've heard that the only stupid question is the one that people don't ask. I asked a lot of questions to a particular marketer and I felt that by me asking those questions, I avoided a lot of pitfalls where I could have possibly lost money. Sometimes I think it's good to pick at the brain of experts so you don't make the same mistake they may have made in the past. Learning from your own mistakes is beneficial though for future business practices.
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  • Profile picture of the author val erie
    As the saying goes,"Learn from other people's mistakes, you don't have time to make all of them yourself" I can't say the same when you are talking about IM. Even case studies can't really give you the full picture.
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  • Profile picture of the author AngryBird141
    Yup, a lot of people succumb to "analysis paralysis". They tend to analyze and plan a lot without acting on it. They need to realize that in IM, there is no single course of action that truly works for everyone. A successful strategy for one could be a failure for another.
    So the best thing to do is "just do it" and find out what works for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    I learned a long time ago that its sink or swim. Throw yourself out into the water and no matter what DO NOT sink. If that means you make a ton of mistakes and make it harder on yourself... well, the next time you toss yourself into the water your going to know what to do.

    How does this apply to IM? Keyword research. Niche research. Market research. Site building. List building. A/B Testing. Product Launches. WSO creation(?). SEO. SEM. PPC. CPA. CPV. And even learning how to write great sales copy!

    These are all things that you can only "learn" so much by reading and trying to understand concepts from other people's experiences. You know how much money I blew on Facebook before I learned how to properly target an audience? My credit card is still pissed off at me.

    My first website I ever built. I thought I had the keyword research down pat! It was supposed to be an easy keyword. Boy was I wrong. It was brutal. My first list building extravaganza was a disaster for the ages. Even better my first broadcast was to be filled with affiliate links and I just included regular ones. Guess how much money I made THAT day. haha.

    Just jump in and do it. Who cares if you don't know what the hell your doing. That is why your doing it. To Learn. To Experience. And to eventually grasp the concepts that have eluded you for so long.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    So many are afraid of making mistakes because they still view failures as a personal shortcoming and haven't learned to view them as learning bridges.

    Fail fast to succeed faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendon Zahrndt
    I'd never be this successful if I weren't such a huge failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    I agree somewhat. A healthy combination of learning by instruction and learning by experience is essential to success.
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    • Profile picture of the author JimWaller
      Originally Posted by O0o0O View Post

      I agree somewhat. A healthy combination of learning by instruction and learning by experience is essential to success.
      Balance is essential. Don't spend a fortune trying to learn and do everything. A good rule for just jumping in as far as I'm concerned is if it doesn't cost me much, if anything, go ahead. Unless you have unlimited resources to outsource everything you are going to have to learn to do some things for yourself.
      I've tried many, many things that didn't work, but you have to be willing to "get back on the horse" and try again.

      Hope this helps,
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Huynh
    I believe failure is the best teacher and you can't fail unless you try something on your own. It's good to use others experience as a starting point and then gather data by testing things out yourself.

    Great thread...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rita Kusmayanti
    Process towards success is more valuable than success itself
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  • Profile picture of the author m2carbine
    Point well taken. Well its how you stand up after failing would define your character. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author seamusb
    Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

    Don't be afraid to make mistakes. Make them often. Get over them quickly. Learn from them. Move on. Don't repeat them.

    Steve
    Sorry Steve - please tell me what mistakes should I make first?

    (runs and hides)
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    • Profile picture of the author mantrixx
      Good ol' trial and error.
      Lots of confusing signs on the path to IM income indeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelgrisso
    Great points. Unfortunately, most of the beginning IMers ask questions because they're overwhelmed. Then again; it could be due to a need for money fast. I blame this on the hype that most people succumb to when they're just getting started.

    I will say, it's definitely best to get in there and get dirty!
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    • Profile picture of the author jonnyq888
      Originally Posted by michaelgrisso View Post

      Great points. Unfortunately, most of the beginning IMers ask questions because they're overwhelmed. Then again; it could be due to a need for money fast. I blame this on the hype that most people succumb to when they're just getting started.

      I will say, it's definitely best to get in there and get dirty!
      Agreed! I know that I wasted years spinning my wheels because I was so desperate to quit my job that I'd jump on anything that looked like quick money.

      At the same time, I was able to build a TON of knowledge in the process that I'm using now. Meanwhile, a friend of mine has been "researching" affiliate marketing for the past 4 years and has yet to build a website.

      Even though we both spent years spinning our wheels, I'd say that the experience I gained by DOING beats his experience from researching.
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      • Profile picture of the author michaelgrisso
        Originally Posted by jonnyq888 View Post

        Agreed! I know that I wasted years spinning my wheels because I was so desperate to quit my job that I'd jump on anything that looked like quick money.

        At the same time, I was able to build a TON of knowledge in the process that I'm using now. Meanwhile, a friend of mine has been "researching" affiliate marketing for the past 4 years and has yet to build a website.

        Even though we both spent years spinning our wheels, I'd say that the experience I gained by DOING beats his experience from researching.
        lol, a prime example would be a situation I ran into this morning. My local coffee shop owner is always looking for a way to make money online. This morning she asks me if I ever wrote any reviews on ACN. If you're not familiar with them, this company offers electric, phone, etc. through the deregulation process of the state that allow it.

        One of her customers came in and said how excited she was, because someone told her she could make $10,000 a month by jumping on this business. I started laughing (not because I didn't believe it was possible), because she (the customer) didn't realize how long it would take to get there and the amount of work she had to perform.

        Evidently she was trying to get the coffee shop owner to join, which spawned the question about the company my way. The lady wasn't there, but I kind of feel bad for her...
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  • Profile picture of the author Pixel Minisite
    well said Steve

    some people here need to work more and talk less :S
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  • Profile picture of the author IMWinner
    Experience is always the greatest teacher.
    People will have to experience something like making some mistakes in order to learn its lesson. As we go along in our decision, it is not always that everything we do is on the positive outcome. There are also some negatives in our decision that will really teach us on how to do better and to improve on what we do.
    I could remember that at some point, I was reading something like, "What do you want, fail fast or learn slowly?" Some people choose the first one since if they will fail or commit some mistakes and errors, it should be as early as possible since they can learn what to improve on their work as quickly as possible. Some people, who are fewer than the first, would want to learn slowly but surely. They want to make their first project or work to be carefully and perfectly done rather than experiencing too many setbacks and try to learn from it. To them, things should be learned surely and not in the quickest time as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    Experience IS the best teacher - as long as it's somebody else's experience.

    There is a lot to be said about failing fast and falling forward, just getting on with it. It's also to your advantage to model people who are already successful or already have the results you want to achieve. You can leverage another person's experiences and end results to get you where you want to be all that much faster.
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    First go out and DO. Then learn as you go along. If you come into the WF not even having an idea of what you want to do you WILL get action paralysis.
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    Don't see what others are doing, see what you can do.
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  • Profile picture of the author mickyboy73
    If you don't DO something yourself you will never benefit from learning from it. It is perfectly fine to fail - just make sure you learn from it. We have all done this all of our lives. Can you imagine being able to talk when you was a baby, before you could walk, and asking your mum n dad how to walk. Yeah, sure, they could have told you HOW to do it "you just put one foot in front of the other" but actually doing it is a totally different learning experience.

    And after you learn who to walk you will progress to learning how to run.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pauly60451
    I embrace failure for each failure steers me closer to success. Each failure proves I have taken some action and tried something. If I do not learn from my mistakes, shame on me!

    I agree that there are no stupid questions... but there are an awful lot of inquisitive idiots. Ask questions about how to perform a certain task but, when it comes to creativity, you're on your own!
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  • Profile picture of the author JessieFitzgerald
    Great post.

    For the longest time, I did the read and inaction tango...an IM dance for paralysis by analysis. But prior business experience taught me that what works for person A may not for person B.

    Like so many others, I'm sure, I read and bought tons of systems and decided to go my own way. Find where MY money is rather than chase the buck...
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      When I was exposed to computers for the first time, I was almost afraid to touch the keyboard out of fear that I would mess things up, do something wrong, or cause some failure from which I would never recover.

      But once I dug in and started gaining a little confidence, I realized that my fears were almost totally unfounded. The more I just tried different things on the computer, the quicker I became proficient at using the tool.

      I guess IM is really no different. It's easy to make mistakes - there are a million ways to goof up! But each time you take a wrong turn, you learn from it, correct the course, and stomp down on the accelerator again. Don't worry that your damage can't be rectified.

      Don't be afraid to try something out of fear that you won't do it the right way! In fact, you might even discover a new method that's better than what all the pros teach.

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      • Profile picture of the author Onora Oz
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post


        Don't be afraid to try something out of fear that you won't do it the right way! In fact, you might even discover a new method that's better than what all the pros teach.

        Steve
        This I agree 100%. Cheers!
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        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        When I was exposed to computers for the first time, I was almost afraid to touch the keyboard out of fear that I would mess things up, do something wrong, or cause some failure from which I would never recover.

        But once I dug in and started gaining a little confidence, I realized that my fears were almost totally unfounded. The more I just tried different things on the computer, the quicker I became proficient at using the tool.

        I guess IM is really no different. It's easy to make mistakes - there are a million ways to goof up! But each time you take a wrong turn, you learn from it, correct the course, and stomp down on the accelerator again. Don't worry that your damage can't be rectified.

        Don't be afraid to try something out of fear that you won't do it the right way! In fact, you might even discover a new method that's better than what all the pros teach.

        Steve
        You sound like my grandmother. She's too afraid to use computer because afraid of doing something wrong and screwing things up.

        She until now can't use computer.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

    Lately, I've noticed a lot of hopeful internet marketers here in the forum asking all kinds of questions about the best way to do this or that to make money.

    It seems most often that, to some at least, it's better to just ask a question than it is to go out and actually try something to see what works.
    Often it is easier to ask a question here at Warrior Forum than to even plug it into Google and try to find the answer. I find that I even do that myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author That Guy
    I agree with what you're saying, but sometimes I actually ask if a method works to get other's experience as well as my own. Also it helps when someone's been experimenting with something much longer than you have since they have the long term data that you don't. For example, I started a thread a week ago asking about if the left or right sidebar would get a better CTR. I only recently thought of the test so my data was limited, while others had a much better idea of what was better since they had experience.

    But if you're talking about those threads where people say "how do I make money", "how can I make $1000 this month", etc, I understand where you're coming from. I really don't like those threads and think it comes from the surge of the "entitled" generation that believe they deserve everything. Although that's just a generalization.
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  • Profile picture of the author BabyMama
    This is an interesting thread. I too believe that jumping in at the deep end is one of the best ways to get started online. But you also need education at the same time as experience.

    I got started working as a freelancer VA for a client through oDesk. I learnt so much from working for him that it inspired me to do my own thing and start my own ventures I then delved more into the world of internet marketing and tried and failed a few things until I found the thing that was right for me.

    I do believe you need a bit of help from someone as this really helps but don't believe in being spoon fed!
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    thanks steve, very insipirational. Making mistakes and learning from them is the only way to success.
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