7 Reasons Why A WSO Should Be A Part of Your Marketing (when done CORRECTLY)... Listen Up noobs!

by sal64
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NOTE: I have changed the title of this thread as so many seem to take it the wrong way. This is not a thread about biatching about the quality of WSO's. It's about how to use a powerful marketing and advertising tool.

Ok? Good... read on.

Are you starting out with a product or sevice which is of value to internet marketers?

Is it any good? Want to fast-track your business? If yes, then use it correctly and you can see great results.

I suggested to a client to run a WSO and he thought I was nuts. Why should he cut his price if his product is so good? $40 to list it? WTF?

Sheesh, talk about scarcity mindset. Used correctly, WSO's can provide an instant injection to your business in more ways imaginable.

Here's why I run WSO's and why I believe that you should too...

1- First and foremost, the WSO forum is a great way to get instant exposure. It is arguably the most viewed forum within the WF.

2- Instant hungry market. People are shopping. So why not expose your product? If you can add a back end product, then the price drop won't be an issue. Stop stepping over $100 bills to pick up $1 bills.

3- Social Proof. A well run WSO can provide you with a ton of testimonials and reviews. These are absolute gold for your main website.

4- Cash flow. If you're a product creator and marketer, then this is the quickest way I know to raise capital to reinvest in your main website. This is a biggie in itself. I often see too many threads on here asking for ways to make quick cash.

Cash flow is the life blood of any business. WSO's are a great way to raise some extra cash to REINVEST into your business.

5- List building. What would you prefer... 100 free subscribers or 100 paid and qualified customers who have trusted you enough to give you their money? It's a no-brainer!

6- Product and testing. Think about this... what better way to fine tune your product based on your peers' fedback?

7- Credibility. This is a difficult one, so it must be handled correctly. Sadly, there are too many fly-by-night offers on the thread. So it is imperative that you have a quality, proven product to offer. Word of mouse can make you or break you. Take a browse through the WSO section and it's no coincidence that the big sellers are by reputable Warriors.

Often times, people are caught up with the initial $40 to launch a WSO, or don't want to drop their price. And frankly, I disagree. In fact many uber successful marketers are happy to lose on the front end and make more on the back end.

Ok, so you don't have a back end product yet? doesn't matter.

Look, at $10 you only need 4 sales to recoup your advertising costs. The rest is profit.

My first ever WSO at $17 made me $2300+ in the first 4 days. But even $230 makes it worthwhile.

Bottom: If you intend to use the WSO for quick bucks, then good for you.

On the other hand, if you are serious about delivering quality products and simultaneously building your reputation, cash flow and online biz, then seriously consider leveraging the WSO for all the right reasons.

Wishing you the best of online success!

Sal

PS: I have no affiliation or vested interest in the WSO or WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Sal, You've been here since 2008 and should know that discussing the WSO forum
    with WSO's in your Sig can not only get this thread deleted but also your WSO's!!!


    Just thought I would remind you before the hammer falls.

    Hope that Helps,
    Have a Great Day!
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Ty Capp View Post

      Allen edited his Forum Rules thread on May 3, 2011...

      "Edit: We have no problem with someone pointing to their WSO within their sig."
      That's NOT what he is talking about. People who have WSO's in their signature files and then start threads on the topic of WSO's have a much higher chance of those threads being deleted... for obvious reasons.

      Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

      If you're a product creator and marketer, then this is the quickest way I know to raise capital to reinvest in your main website. This is a biggie in itself. I often see too many threads on here asking for ways to make quick cash.

      Cash flow is the life blood of any business. WSO's are a great way to achieve this.
      Hmm. Is this REALLY the type of message we want to be sending out? I am a big believer this is the same reason we see all the crap that goes on in the WSO forum nowadays - because of people saying this exact same thing.

      WSO's are not some quick money grab - well that's not what they are supposed to be. It's becoming more and more like that everyday and that is why we have seen an increase in the number of WSO's and a decrease in the quality of those WSO's.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Hey Michael,

      Thanks for the heads up.

      Nothing sinister in it. If it's a rule breaker, then I'm happy to have this deleted.

      My WSO's have nothing to do with profiting from WSO's itself.

      2 are redundant. ol.

      Please feel free to clarify as I don't want to break any rules.

      Best,

      Sal



      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      I guess I could have conveyed the point some what better.

      Sal, All I was trying to say was that you were discussing how you have
      made money with WSO's and others could?should too. (Here, We both agree.)

      Although, Having your Signature enabled with 3 links all leading to your
      WSO's could be seen by others as self promotional.

      Just Saying,
      Hope that makes things clearer than mud.

      Have a Great Day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Top 5 Reasons Why You SHOULD NOT NOT NOT WSO... Listen Up noobs!

      So, you were browsing the web one day, looking for ways to make money online and you found the Warrior Forum. Great!

      Or perhaps you bought some MMO product and it mentioned this forum and that you could make lots of money using the WSO here. Hmm, maybe not so great.

      Something that has been lost from what I understand was the initial spirit behind the WSO forum.

      Before the WSO came just the "Warrior Forum." Just a forum for exchange of ideas and marketers to meet.

      Some of these people wanted to share their expertise, and wanted to offer things at a better price than the general public could get. Or perhaps they wanted to test a product to see how they might improve it before launching it into the public.

      From what I gather, these were people who were somewhat established already. And they were really a part of the community.

      So why should you NOT WSO if you are a Noob?

      1. WSO's posted by members who are not recognized don't do as well. If you don't have a name out there on the web already or something to point people to, please - take this into consideration. Don't expect us all to just trust you. You are new here. We have no clue who you are and no way to know your character.

      2. Are you thinking you are going to get rich off a $10 WSO? It's a real long shot. I'm not saying you won't make anything - but in strut the new members and they only want the freshest newest thing. Best you come up with something in constant demand and have a back end funnel in place or you may be just spinning your wheels.

      3. Can you back up what you are selling? If you have not made $1000 in a week and that is your offer, you best have a good case study ready to convince some of us longer term members - or trust me, we will call you out on it.

      4. Down to your last 77 bucks and the rent is due tomorrow? Um, yeah, this is not your solution. Seriously, figure out something else.

      5. Do you know how to build a list? Got your Aweber or AR in place? Got a help desk ready for support issues? I've seen issues with even FREE WSO's. Trust me - have a clue about how you are going to follow up with and continue to help your paying (and even non paying) customers.

      IMO, new people should spend some time here, become established, give some helpful feedback on the forum, and only use the WSO when it becomes obvious how it can be used to help their business - and perhaps they are not such a "noob" when that time becomes apparent.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Both sides well represented in this thread!

        If you have a good product, WSOs are a great way to get them seen, get some sales and build a list.

        If you don't have a product or a clue - aiming for "my first WSO" may not be the best option for you at the moment.

        Both Sal and Jill gave spot on advice here - wise to look at both viewpoints before you jump in.

        kay


        edit: Sal - I'll bite

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        • Profile picture of the author sal64
          No... just your common wireless or USB mouse.

          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Both sides well represented in this thread!

          If you have a good product, WSOs are a great way to get them seen, get some sales and build a list.

          If you don't have a product or a clue - aiming for "my first WSO" may not be the best option for you at the moment.

          Both Sal and Jill gave spot on advice here - wise to look at both viewpoints before you jump in.

          kay


          edit: Sal - I'll bite



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      • Profile picture of the author ColinChia
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        Top 5 Reasons Why You SHOULD NOT NOT NOT WSO... Listen Up noobs!

        So, you were browsing the web one day, looking for ways to make money online and you found the Warrior Forum. Great!

        Or perhaps you bought some MMO product and it mentioned this forum and that you could make lots of money using the WSO here. Hmm, maybe not so great.

        Something that has been lost from what I understand was the initial spirit behind the WSO forum.

        Before the WSO came just the "Warrior Forum." Just a forum for exchange of ideas and marketers to meet.

        Some of these people wanted to share their expertise, and wanted to offer things at a better price than the general public could get. Or perhaps they wanted to test a product to see how they might improve it before launching it into the public.

        From what I gather, these were people who were somewhat established already. And they were really a part of the community.

        So why should you NOT WSO if you are a Noob?

        1. WSO's posted by members who are not recognized don't do as well. If you don't have a name out there on the web already or something to point people to, please - take this into consideration. Don't expect us all to just trust you. You are new here. We have no clue who you are and no way to know your character.

        2. Are you thinking you are going to get rich off a $10 WSO? It's a real long shot. I'm not saying you won't make anything - but in strut the new members and they only want the freshest newest thing. Best you come up with something in constant demand and have a back end funnel in place or you may be just spinning your wheels.

        3. Can you back up what you are selling? If you have not made $1000 in a week and that is your offer, you best have a good case study ready to convince some of us longer term members - or trust me, we will call you out on it.

        4. Down to your last 77 bucks and the rent is due tomorrow? Um, yeah, this is not your solution. Seriously, figure out something else.

        5. Do you know how to build a list? Got your Aweber or AR in place? Got a help desk ready for support issues? I've seen issues with even FREE WSO's. Trust me - have a clue about how you are going to follow up with and continue to help your paying (and even non paying) customers.

        IMO, new people should spend some time here, become established, give some helpful feedback on the forum, and only use the WSO when it becomes obvious how it can be used to help their business - and perhaps they are not such a "noob" when that time becomes apparent.
        Hey Jill,

        Loved your POST! I think this could have been a discussion on it's own in the forum...

        You've made some valid points, that all marketers that are launching WSO's should take into consideration and build their marketing strategies around that and how they're going to breakdown the trust relationship with the customer (but that's a whole different kettle of fish in regards to the ART OF PERSUASION).

        But what warrior's need to keep in mind when launching a WSO is to not just put the product out there and expect people to buy it, but instead find a need in the market and fill that gap!

        NOTE: Plan for SUCCESS! Being prepared is already half the battle won

        Thank you Jill - you're AWESOME,

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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        5. Do you know how to build a list? Got your Aweber or AR in place? Got a help desk ready for support issues? I've seen issues with even FREE WSO's. Trust me - have a clue about how you are going to follow up with and continue to help your paying (and even non paying) customers.
        This.

        Newbies do a WSO and get all those new subscribers.

        Then, they think, "Sh**, what do I sell now?"

        Ding!

        "I'll become a WSO affiliate and send them my affiliate link every day. Wait, if I send only one promotion I won't make much money."

        Ding!

        "I'll send 3 promotions a day and this time next week I'll be sitting on a beach in the Bahamas."


        Martin


        Side note: the next time I buy a WSO and the person forces me to subscribe to their list before I can download what I paid for I'm going phone Paypal and the conversation is going to go something like this

        Me: They won't give me my product.

        Paypal: What do you mean?

        Me: Well, I paid the money. Then they said if I wanted the product I had to subscribe to their newsletter. I tried to get my product without subscribing but the website wouldn't let me. So I wanted to cancel the payment but there was no 'cancel' button. Are they trying to steal my money?
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        • Profile picture of the author wickersley
          Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

          This.

          Newbies do a WSO and get all those new subscribers.

          Then, they think, "Sh**, what do I sell now?"

          Ding!

          "I'll become a WSO affiliate and send them my affiliate link every day. Wait, if I send only one promotion I won't make much money."

          Ding!

          "I'll send 3 promotions a day and this time next week I'll be sitting on a beach in the Bahamas."


          Martin


          Side note: the next time I buy a WSO and the person forces me to subscribe to their list before I can download what I paid for I'm going phone Paypal and the conversation is going to go something like this

          Me: They won't give me my product.

          Paypal: What do you mean?

          Me: Well, I paid the money. Then they said if I wanted the product I had to subscribe to their newsletter. I tried to get my product without subscribing but the website wouldn't let me. So I wanted to cancel the payment but there was no 'cancel' button. Are they trying to steal my money?
          I like it! But the concept has one serious flaw.... you can never get to talk to someone at paypal! ... oh... if you are able to.... I want to be you new best friend!
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      • Profile picture of the author bgean
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        Top 5 Reasons Why You SHOULD NOT NOT NOT WSO... Listen Up noobs!

        From what I gather, these were people who were somewhat established already. And they were really a part of the community.

        So why should you NOT WSO if you are a Noob?

        1. WSO's posted by members who are not recognized don't do as well. If you don't have a name out there on the web already or something to point people to, please - take this into consideration. Don't expect us all to just trust you. You are new here. We have no clue who you are and no way to know your character.
        As with anything in business, there is a right and wrong way of achieving your goals. The Warrior Forum is no different in this aspect. You get out of it what you put into it.

        If a person is new to the Warrior Forum, that should not depict him/her as being new in the business. Some people were too busy serving others to use the forum. We found other avenues for expression such as writing, speaking, recording, and running our own discussion communities. We were here all along - we just chose not to speak up.

        You have to be a good listener before you can be a great teacher.

        The name chosen for a user name here does not mean it is the only name used when marketing our businesses. Stephen King uses pen names. We can too! You may not recognize a person's name in the Warrior Special Offer area, but they still deserve your respect, until proven otherwise.

        For all we know, it could be a long time marketer testing and knowing his/her real name would taint the test. Until you know for sure, give the party the benefit of the doubt. If we buy something and it is not satisfactory. We ask for a refund. That is not too hard, it is?

        I post this simply to say there are two sides to every story.

        You may not know me by my current user name, but I know long-time users of this forum would recognize me by a pen name. Hence, why you see I have been a member here since 2005 and only shared 51 posts.

        The point is, I have been a part of this community for many years; I just chose not to post until recently. I was simply too busy to be here. Since retiring two of my busiest web sites, I can now be here more often. Hence, I am.

        I just want people to realize, just because the forum stats portray us as noobs; it does not make it so.

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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        In the spirit of 7's, Lets add to that the following:

        #6 If you have to post a thread asking how to embed images and videos in your wso you should probably NOT be trying to do a WSO.

        # 7. If you haven't taken time to put into the forum FIRST then you shouldn't be trying to get something out of the forum.

        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        Top 5 Reasons Why You SHOULD NOT NOT NOT WSO... Listen Up noobs!

        So, you were browsing the web one day, looking for ways to make money online and you found the Warrior Forum. Great!

        Or perhaps you bought some MMO product and it mentioned this forum and that you could make lots of money using the WSO here. Hmm, maybe not so great.

        Something that has been lost from what I understand was the initial spirit behind the WSO forum.

        Before the WSO came just the "Warrior Forum." Just a forum for exchange of ideas and marketers to meet.

        Some of these people wanted to share their expertise, and wanted to offer things at a better price than the general public could get. Or perhaps they wanted to test a product to see how they might improve it before launching it into the public.

        From what I gather, these were people who were somewhat established already. And they were really a part of the community.

        So why should you NOT WSO if you are a Noob?

        1. WSO's posted by members who are not recognized don't do as well. If you don't have a name out there on the web already or something to point people to, please - take this into consideration. Don't expect us all to just trust you. You are new here. We have no clue who you are and no way to know your character.

        2. Are you thinking you are going to get rich off a $10 WSO? It's a real long shot. I'm not saying you won't make anything - but in strut the new members and they only want the freshest newest thing. Best you come up with something in constant demand and have a back end funnel in place or you may be just spinning your wheels.

        3. Can you back up what you are selling? If you have not made $1000 in a week and that is your offer, you best have a good case study ready to convince some of us longer term members - or trust me, we will call you out on it.

        4. Down to your last 77 bucks and the rent is due tomorrow? Um, yeah, this is not your solution. Seriously, figure out something else.

        5. Do you know how to build a list? Got your Aweber or AR in place? Got a help desk ready for support issues? I've seen issues with even FREE WSO's. Trust me - have a clue about how you are going to follow up with and continue to help your paying (and even non paying) customers.

        IMO, new people should spend some time here, become established, give some helpful feedback on the forum, and only use the WSO when it becomes obvious how it can be used to help their business - and perhaps they are not such a "noob" when that time becomes apparent.
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        • Profile picture of the author sal64
          Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

          In the spirit of 7's, Lets add to that the following:

          #6 If you have to post a thread asking how to embed images and videos in your wso you should probably NOT be trying to do a WSO.

          # 7. If you haven't taken time to put into the forum FIRST then you shouldn't be trying to get something out of the forum.
          Have to disagree with #7, Russ.

          WSO's are a paid advertisement.

          Just another medium is how I see it.

          Cheers,

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          • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
            If WSO's are just merely a paid advertisement then why isn't "Caveat emptor" plastered in big bold letters before each thread, or in the main section of that part of the forums?.

            Its because a WSO isn't just a paid advertisement, its more then that.

            Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

            Have to disagree with #7, Russ.

            WSO's are a paid advertisement.

            Just another medium is how I see it.

            Cheers,

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            • Profile picture of the author sal64
              Very true. Totally agree.

              But we are entering murky waters here. And it's not what this thread was intended for.

              Sal

              Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

              If WSO's are just merely a paid advertisement then why isn't "Caveat emptor" plastered in big bold letters before each thread, or in the main section of that part of the forums?.

              Its because a WSO isn't just a paid advertisement, its more then that.
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      • Profile picture of the author CTonline09
        I think jill is spot on here in what she says.

        I have seen members with a couple of posts adding WSO claiming to make them $1000s per week, now I'm not saying this isnt the case but at least 30 of the 40 WSO's listed on the first page will claim to make you rich.

        When you see stats that tell you 95% of marketers fail online then you have to say that a good 80% to 90% of warriors in the WSO section are talking out their A**E.

        People often wonder why their WSO sells so bad yet they havent even bothered to build a list of leads before hand, build up some hype before release, inform affiliates or at least try and get some on board.

        Instead they think that handing out 3 or 4 review copies on the thread will see their WSO take off to new levels, this can happen but is highly unlikely.

        Give people something they can actually use and help them in there everyday marketing and business, be different stop claiming to make 1000s of dollars in 2 minutes flat by doing 2 simple things.

        Internet Marketing is not simple, it takes time dedication, skill, brains, love, desire, belief and the right attitude!

        Get the above right and you will do fine.

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        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        Top 5 Reasons Why You SHOULD NOT NOT NOT WSO... Listen Up noobs!

        So, you were browsing the web one day, looking for ways to make money online and you found the Warrior Forum. Great!

        Or perhaps you bought some MMO product and it mentioned this forum and that you could make lots of money using the WSO here. Hmm, maybe not so great.

        Something that has been lost from what I understand was the initial spirit behind the WSO forum.

        Before the WSO came just the "Warrior Forum." Just a forum for exchange of ideas and marketers to meet.

        Some of these people wanted to share their expertise, and wanted to offer things at a better price than the general public could get. Or perhaps they wanted to test a product to see how they might improve it before launching it into the public.

        From what I gather, these were people who were somewhat established already. And they were really a part of the community.

        So why should you NOT WSO if you are a Noob?

        1. WSO's posted by members who are not recognized don't do as well. If you don't have a name out there on the web already or something to point people to, please - take this into consideration. Don't expect us all to just trust you. You are new here. We have no clue who you are and no way to know your character.

        2. Are you thinking you are going to get rich off a $10 WSO? It's a real long shot. I'm not saying you won't make anything - but in strut the new members and they only want the freshest newest thing. Best you come up with something in constant demand and have a back end funnel in place or you may be just spinning your wheels.

        3. Can you back up what you are selling? If you have not made $1000 in a week and that is your offer, you best have a good case study ready to convince some of us longer term members - or trust me, we will call you out on it.

        4. Down to your last 77 bucks and the rent is due tomorrow? Um, yeah, this is not your solution. Seriously, figure out something else.

        5. Do you know how to build a list? Got your Aweber or AR in place? Got a help desk ready for support issues? I've seen issues with even FREE WSO's. Trust me - have a clue about how you are going to follow up with and continue to help your paying (and even non paying) customers.

        IMO, new people should spend some time here, become established, give some helpful feedback on the forum, and only use the WSO when it becomes obvious how it can be used to help their business - and perhaps they are not such a "noob" when that time becomes apparent.
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  • Profile picture of the author VinnyBock
    Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

    Are you starting out with a product?

    Is it any good? Want to fast-track your business?

    I suggested to a client to run a WSO and he thought I was nuts. Why should he cut his price if his product is so good? $40 to list it? WTF?

    Sheesh, talk about scarcity mindset. Used correctly, WSO's can provide an instant injection to your business in more ways imaginable.

    Here's why I run WSO's and why I believe that you should too...

    1- First and foremost, the WSO forum is a great way to get instant exposure. It is arguably the most viewed forum within the WF.

    2- Instant hungry market. People are shopping. So why not expose your product? If you can add a back end product, then the price drop won't be an issue. Stop stepping over $100 bills to pick up $1 bills.

    3- Social Proof. A well run WSO can provide you with a ton of testimonials and reviews. These are absolute gold for your main website.

    4- Cash flow. If you're a product creator and marketer, then this is the quickest way I know to raise capital to reinvest in your main website. This is a biggie in itself. I often see too many threads on here asking for ways to make quick cash.

    Cash flow is the life blood of any business. WSO's are a great way to achieve this.

    5- List building. What would you prefer... 100 free subscribers or 100 paid and qualified customers who have trusted you enough to give you their money? It's a no-brainer!

    6- Product and testing. Think about this... what better way to fine tune your product based on your peers' fedback?

    7- Credibility. This is a difficult one, so it must be handled correctly. Sadly, there are too many fly-by-night offers on the thread. So it is imperative that you have a quality, proven product to offer. Word of mouse can make you or break you. Take a browse through the WSO section and it's no coincidence that the big sellers are by reputable Warriors.

    Often times, people are caught up with the initial $40 to launch a WSO, or don't want to drop their price. And frankly, I disagree. In fact many uber successful marketers are happy to lose on the front end and make more on the back end.

    Ok, so you don't have a back end product yet? doesn't matter.

    Look, at $10 you only need 4 sales to recoup your advertising costs. The rest is profit.

    My first ever WSO at $17 made me $2300+ in the first 4 days. But even $230 makes it worthwhile.

    Bottom: If you intend to use the WSO for quick bucks, then good for you.

    On the other hand, if you are serious about delivering quality products and simultaneously building your reputation, cash flow and online biz, then seriously consider leveraging the WSO for all the right reasons.

    Wishing you the best of online success!

    Sal

    PS: I have no affiliation or vested interest in the WSO or WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author salamony86
    Great info here! I think there are people who are selling new products in WSO every week. You just cant go wrong with this product! they're usually not expensive and there are few nuggets there. HOWEVER, dont get too disctacted coz most of them are great products!!

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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
    Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

    My first ever WSO at $17 made me $2300+ in the first 4 days. But even $230 makes it worthwhile.
    $2300 all profits? What about WSO bumps? Initial $40 listing? Affiliate expenses?
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  • Profile picture of the author JimmyRose
    Don't get me wrong here, I still use the WSO forum a lot, and have an active thread there, but it's effectiveness it definitely dropping.

    A bump now lasts for less than a day! There is that many products continually rotating, that you really don't get much exposure for your $40 any more. And because there is nothing to differentiate a good product from a crap product at the thread level, you only have a headline to try to grab people in.

    That said, all of our initial exposure came from a WSO. That was less than a year ago, when it took two days to drop off the bottom of page 2
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  • Profile picture of the author ColinChia
    You are Thanked for that Sal

    I've been working on something for a while now and have been thinking about sharing it with the Warrior's as a WSO! Can't wait to get that up and running...

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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Originally Posted by ColinChia View Post

      You are Thanked for that Sal

      I've been working on something for a while now and have been thinking about sharing it with the Warrior's as a WSO! Can't wait to get that up and running...

      Colin

      Best of luck mate.

      WSO is an advertising medium like social media etc... if you do it correctly and ethically, you can really boost your business.

      Also...

      $2300 was in sales and does not include bump fees (2 only) and merchant fees. There were no affiliates involved.

      Since then, sales have dropped per bump and I only bump once or so per month.

      Just remember that it is a very price sensitive market, so don't be shy to offer a real deal.
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  • Profile picture of the author uebomoyi
    Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

    Are you starting out with a product?

    Is it any good? Want to fast-track your business?

    I suggested to a client to run a WSO and he thought I was nuts. Why should he cut his price if his product is so good? $40 to list it? WTF?

    Sheesh, talk about scarcity mindset. Used correctly, WSO's can provide an instant injection to your business in more ways imaginable.

    Here's why I run WSO's and why I believe that you should too...

    1- First and foremost, the WSO forum is a great way to get instant exposure. It is arguably the most viewed forum within the WF.

    2- Instant hungry market. People are shopping. So why not expose your product? If you can add a back end product, then the price drop won't be an issue. Stop stepping over $100 bills to pick up $1 bills.

    3- Social Proof. A well run WSO can provide you with a ton of testimonials and reviews. These are absolute gold for your main website.

    4- Cash flow. If you're a product creator and marketer, then this is the quickest way I know to raise capital to reinvest in your main website. This is a biggie in itself. I often see too many threads on here asking for ways to make quick cash.

    Cash flow is the life blood of any business. WSO's are a great way to achieve this.

    5- List building. What would you prefer... 100 free subscribers or 100 paid and qualified customers who have trusted you enough to give you their money? It's a no-brainer!

    6- Product and testing. Think about this... what better way to fine tune your product based on your peers' fedback?

    7- Credibility. This is a difficult one, so it must be handled correctly. Sadly, there are too many fly-by-night offers on the thread. So it is imperative that you have a quality, proven product to offer. Word of mouse can make you or break you. Take a browse through the WSO section and it's no coincidence that the big sellers are by reputable Warriors.

    Often times, people are caught up with the initial $40 to launch a WSO, or don't want to drop their price. And frankly, I disagree. In fact many uber successful marketers are happy to lose on the front end and make more on the back end.

    Ok, so you don't have a back end product yet? doesn't matter.

    Look, at $10 you only need 4 sales to recoup your advertising costs. The rest is profit.

    My first ever WSO at $17 made me $2300+ in the first 4 days. But even $230 makes it worthwhile.

    Bottom: If you intend to use the WSO for quick bucks, then good for you.

    On the other hand, if you are serious about delivering quality products and simultaneously building your reputation, cash flow and online biz, then seriously consider leveraging the WSO for all the right reasons.

    Wishing you the best of online success!

    Sal

    PS: I have no affiliation or vested interest in the WSO or WF.
    Wow, this is literally the best thread I've come across in ages, no lie. Thank you for these insightful tips, this was very gracious of you. I'd like to make my own WSO. I guess I was just wondering how long it would take to do the sales copy and get reviews and whatnot. It's definitely something I do want to try out real soon, I just know it takes patience which is what I'm developing right now as we speak. Thanks again for posting these tips, this was very insightful..

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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
    The "bump" function is also one of the my primary reasons for launching WSOs.

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  • Profile picture of the author dorianjohn425
    Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

    Are you starting out with a product?

    Is it any good? Want to fast-track your business?

    I suggested to a client to run a WSO and he thought I was nuts. Why should he cut his price if his product is so good? $40 to list it? WTF?

    Sheesh, talk about scarcity mindset. Used correctly, WSO's can provide an instant injection to your business in more ways imaginable.

    Here's why I run WSO's and why I believe that you should too...

    1- First and foremost, the WSO forum is a great way to get instant exposure. It is arguably the most viewed forum within the WF.

    2- Instant hungry market. People are shopping. So why not expose your product? If you can add a back end product, then the price drop won't be an issue. Stop stepping over $100 bills to pick up $1 bills.

    3- Social Proof. A well run WSO can provide you with a ton of testimonials and reviews. These are absolute gold for your main website.

    4- Cash flow. If you're a product creator and marketer, then this is the quickest way I know to raise capital to reinvest in your main website. This is a biggie in itself. I often see too many threads on here asking for ways to make quick cash.

    Cash flow is the life blood of any business. WSO's are a great way to achieve this.

    5- List building. What would you prefer... 100 free subscribers or 100 paid and qualified customers who have trusted you enough to give you their money? It's a no-brainer!

    6- Product and testing. Think about this... what better way to fine tune your product based on your peers' fedback?

    7- Credibility. This is a difficult one, so it must be handled correctly. Sadly, there are too many fly-by-night offers on the thread. So it is imperative that you have a quality, proven product to offer. Word of mouse can make you or break you. Take a browse through the WSO section and it's no coincidence that the big sellers are by reputable Warriors.

    Often times, people are caught up with the initial $40 to launch a WSO, or don't want to drop their price. And frankly, I disagree. In fact many uber successful marketers are happy to lose on the front end and make more on the back end.

    Ok, so you don't have a back end product yet? doesn't matter.

    Look, at $10 you only need 4 sales to recoup your advertising costs. The rest is profit.

    My first ever WSO at $17 made me $2300+ in the first 4 days. But even $230 makes it worthwhile.

    Bottom: If you intend to use the WSO for quick bucks, then good for you.

    On the other hand, if you are serious about delivering quality products and simultaneously building your reputation, cash flow and online biz, then seriously consider leveraging the WSO for all the right reasons.

    Wishing you the best of online success!

    Sal

    PS: I have no affiliation or vested interest in the WSO or WF.
    Thanks for posting this dude

    Gives me new insights as a noob
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    Not sure why I am getting PM's about this thread.

    Look, the OP was quite simple really...

    It's about the advantages of correctly using it as part of your business strategy.

    I think most of us know that the make-money-from-wso's is an industry in itself.

    The OP was about strategy. Not a tit-for-tat about whether or not some wso's are any good.

    Is it that difficult to comprehend? If we can't have a value discussion then what's the point of being here in the first place? we might well just stick to posting the same old - same old crappola.

    end of rant.

    The WSO forum should NOT be the last place of the desperate to make cash. The end consumer can decide if they want to buy or not... free market... free country, remember?

    I am not here to judge and tell people what to do and not do. Don't give a stuff actually. Nor am I here to tell the quick-cash'ers if they should or shouldn't launch a wso.

    It's about strategy - period.

    People can whine about the crap... hey don't buy it. People can whine about the costs. Ok go elsewhere to advertise.

    All I know is that used corerctly, it's an affordable cost per lead generator and the audience is highly targeted.

    Anyway, thanks for the input folks.

    did I say end of rant?

    Sorry, I get passionate most times.

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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    I launched one about 2 years ago, did ok made a little profit but nothing amazing.

    Saying that though it's a different beast today. You got affiliates now, price is now $47 so the marketing methods on how you market a WSO has probs changed.

    Never go in there anyway. Everytime bought something - I knew it all - despite their crazy claims.

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  • Profile picture of the author blogworker
    Don't get me wrong here, I still use the WSO forum a lot, and have an active thread there, but it's effectiveness it definitely dropping.
    yes, this is also my feeling....
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Sorry to say this but I find threads like this a bit offensive.

    If the thread had been titled "benefits of expanding your sales channels out from just your own website" or something then I would've been pressing thanks instead.

    It's been said already - the whole purpose of the WSO section was for people with a product or service they were already selling elsewhere to give Warriors a special (not available to the public) offer on it to pay it forward to the community.

    The OP is re-enforcing the rapidly growing perception that somewhere to launch a new product as a newbie. The place is already overflowing with crap from people who are sitting around thinking "what could I make to sell as a WSO?" and there are even members here creating products on how to mine the forum for information and sell it back to members as a WSO.

    It's got to the point where some even start their sentences in the main forum with "I could've made this a WSO but I'm feeling generous" before saying something they think is interesting about IM.

    The whole thing has gone crazy.

    If you're a newbie to IM and haven't created a product yet - please do NOT do a WSO.

    Adding yourself to the hoards of people suckling from the WSO breast will only lead to withdrawal symptoms and you'll struggle to sell anywhere else and end up on a "how to launch a WSO campaign" merry-go-round that so many people are now on where you've started out in IM by trying to sell make money products because you think "I spent money on them so I understand the market".

    Do yourself a favour and create a great product and sell it outside of this forum and when you're really happy with it and if you think it's something new and useful that Warriors would appreciate - THEN do a WSO to give your fellow warriors a special discount.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Barrs
      Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

      $2300 all profits? What about WSO bumps? Initial $40 listing? Affiliate expenses?
      Christian, I must have read this wrong, it sounds to me like you're complaining about the profit / loss here. In all truth, it wouldn't matter if he'd made $2,300 in gross sales with half gone in affiliate payouts and 10 bumps - he'd still be IN PROFIT.

      Originally Posted by JimmyRose View Post

      Don't get me wrong here, I still use the WSO forum a lot, and have an active thread there, but it's effectiveness it definitely dropping.

      A bump now lasts for less than a day!
      Jimmy, a day? You're kidding right.. how about 3 - 4 hours and it's gone off the main page.

      Originally Posted by ColinChia View Post

      Hey Jill,

      Loved your POST! I think this could have been a discussion on it's own in the forum...
      Yes, Jill's post was a ripper, but had it been posted alone, it probably would have been nuked... it's not always good to suggest people don't WSO....

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      the whole purpose of the WSO section was for people with a product or service they were already selling elsewhere to give Warriors a special (not available to the public) offer on it to pay it forward to the community.

      ...

      The whole thing has gone crazy.
      Andy, spot on.

      I know it ain't gonna happen, but I'd love to see a new WSO rule... show us where it is on the web, and then offer us the WSO.

      *That way*, it really IS a special offer.

      I'd be pretty sure that many WSO promoters don't even have a website, let alone know how to build one, and if it wasn't for the WSO forum, they'd have never made a dime online... but then as an entrepreneur, that's a plus for WSO's.

      As for my feedback on the OP... I'll simply say this...

      Personally I don't "like" cheap-$10-customers, they are not my target market; but I love the WSO forum as it allows me to TEST products / sales copy etc and get feedback while getting paid to do it.

      I mean, why would I now shell-out big bucks for a split testing campaign when I can just do it here for $40 and if I've got my math even half right, make at minimum a few hundred bucks (which, mind you, would tell me I'm doing something wrong).

      That's what I use WSO's for.

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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      And what i find offensive is people who write a long winded rant when they have either (a) skimmed through the op, or (b) do not comprehend the gist of the OP.

      Respectfully suggest that you read the OP carefully as well the other replies before getting offended.

      In particular, the part that asks if you have a product and is it a good one.

      As for your assumptions.. you are wrong.

      Sal

      PS: If a forum discussion offends you, then you are free to ignore it.

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Sorry to say this but I find threads like this a bit offensive.

      If the thread had been titled "benefits of expanding your sales channels out from just your own website" or something then I would've been pressing thanks instead.

      It's been said already - the whole purpose of the WSO section was for people with a product or service they were already selling elsewhere to give Warriors a special (not available to the public) offer on it to pay it forward to the community.

      The OP is re-enforcing the rapidly growing perception that somewhere to launch a new product as a newbie. The place is already overflowing with crap from people who are sitting around thinking "what could I make to sell as a WSO?" and there are even members here creating products on how to mine the forum for information and sell it back to members as a WSO.

      It's got to the point where some even start their sentences in the main forum with "I could've made this a WSO but I'm feeling generous" before saying something they think is interesting about IM.

      The whole thing has gone crazy.

      If you're a newbie to IM and haven't created a product yet - please do NOT do a WSO.

      Adding yourself to the hoards of people suckling from the WSO breast will only lead to withdrawal symptoms and you'll struggle to sell anywhere else and end up on a "how to launch a WSO campaign" merry-go-round that so many people are now on where you've started out in IM by trying to sell make money products because you think "I spent money on them so I understand the market".

      Do yourself a favour and create a great product and sell it outside of this forum and when you're really happy with it and if you think it's something new and useful that Warriors would appreciate - THEN do a WSO to give your fellow warriors a special discount.

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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        And what i find offensive is people who write a long winded rant when they have either (a) skimmed through the op, or (b) do not comprehend the gist of the OP.

        Respectfully suggest that you read the OP carefully as well the other replies before getting offended.

        In particular, the part that asks if you have a product and is it a good one.

        As for your assumptions.. you are wrong.

        Sal

        PS: If a forum discussion offends you, then you are free to ignore it.

        Sorry - are you only looking for people to pat you on the back and say thanks for your words of wisdom?

        We should just walk on by and not say something?

        Ok - it sounds like this is your forum so I'll be quiet.
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        • Profile picture of the author sal64
          Well, you're the one who found it offensive old chap.

          Not looking for anything to be honest.

          I just throw valuable ideas out there in the hope that some people will pick it up and gain value from it.

          Here's some of your post...

          If the thread had been titled "benefits of expanding your sales channels out from just your own website" or something then I would've been pressing thanks instead.

          Regardless of the thread title, this was the whole point of the thread. WSO's should be a part of your biz.. not the be all and end all. So I assume that the title was a red flag to you and I suspect you didn't read it objectively.

          Part 2:

          The OP is re-enforcing the rapidly growing perception that somewhere to launch a new product as a newbie. The place is already overflowing with crap from people who are sitting around thinking "what could I make to sell as a WSO?" and there are even members here creating products on how to mine the forum for information and sell it back to members as a WSO.

          Firstly, your perception of my reinforcing anything is merely your perception. The Op was - yawn - etc etc. See above.

          Feel free to show me where I encouraged people to produce crap?

          You see this is where you have let your prejudice and frustration about WSO's cloud your judgement. And rather than add some constructive comments, you went on your little rant.

          Offensive? Wow. Had your rant gone along the lines of... whilst WSO's can be a useful marketing tool, but it is important that you have a real website etc... then I probably wouldn't have jumped on you.

          So my friend, no pats on the back or sarcasm needed.

          Cheerio.

          Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

          Sorry - are you only looking for people to pat you on the back and say thanks for your words of wisdom?

          We should just walk on by and not say something?

          Ok - it sounds like this is your forum so I'll be quiet.
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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        PS: If a forum discussion offends you, then you are free to ignore it.
        Sounds like someone can do with taking notice of their own advice.
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  • Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

    4- Cash flow. If you're a product creator and marketer, then this is the quickest way I know to raise capital to reinvest in your main website. This is a biggie in itself. I often see too many threads on here asking for ways to make quick cash.

    Cash flow is the life blood of any business. WSO's are a great way to achieve this.
    Excuse me, but that is just plain WRONG!

    Most WSOs are about making money online. If you need to run a WSO to keep your cash flow healthy, then you should NOT run a WSO at all because it's obvious you're not making any money online yourself.

    Your cash flow should remain healthy from your online ventures themselves, not from your WSOs!

    Geez... the whole WSO phenomenon has gone out of hands...
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Yeeha!

      Another candidate for taking the OP out of context and making assumptions.

      Who said that WSO's are the lifeblood of cash flow? Where did I state that all newbies should just start a wso? Where did I state that they are a panacea for all of the online world's problems?

      Go on, find it, then come back and apologize.

      I must be writing in Chinese or something.

      Or otherwise people just see what they want to see.

      Regardless of opinions, wso's are a great way to build a list and make some money.

      Hey Paul, if I recall correctly, you used it for you product pre-release.

      Tell us how it went for you both in numbers and testimonials?

      But seriously, if posters cannot stay on toppic without whining about the whole WSO thing... then just go away and leave the thread alone.

      How about some constructive input and suggestions so that others may benefit?

      Or have I missed something in my absence? :confused:





      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Excuse me, but that is just plain WRONG!

      Most WSOs are about making money online. If you need to run a WSO to keep your cash flow healthy, then you should NOT run a WSO at all because it's obvious you're not making any money online yourself.

      Your cash flow should remain healthy from your online ventures themselves, not from your WSOs!

      Geez... the whole WSO phenomenon has gone out of hands...
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelgrisso
    Well, whether or not it's against WF rules like someone else said, I found this very helpful. I don't even remember how I came across WF, but I had to Google what WSO meant. Definitely a noob when it comes to WF, but we plan to utilize the WSO when the time is right.

    Thanks for the info...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If the thread had been titled "benefits of expanding your sales channels out from just your own website" or something then I would've been pressing thanks instead.
      The title NOW better reflects the OP.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The title NOW better reflects the OP.
        I like it now. Much better

        It's great to see people taking the time to post thoughtful and helpful advice to newer members.
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  • Profile picture of the author bgean
    Some valid points here, some concern me.

    Who pegged the Warrior Special Offer as a get-rich scheme? Did I miss that memorandum? I learned it was a way to launch your product, make some sales, and build long-term relationships. None of which are possible unless you participate!

    As for the money thing, it does help to pay the bills. We are all in business to make a living, serve others, and become financially independent of the corporate Boss. Any infallible way to achieve your goals is a green light, as long as you are honorable.

    On the flip side:
    I've seen and bought my share of junk products from so-called gurus, too. The only difference is they cost more! -LOL - Some through a WSO, some not. Still, we can't always point the finger at the newcomers.

    -- Just saying.

    How long does a newcomer need to wait before they ARE ready? It depends on the person, does it not?

    You learn from mistakes, but if you are not actively testing and trying things, mistakes cannot happen. How then do you learn? You gain insight through experimentation. Some things work, others will not. You will learn what works only by performing, not by being immobile.

    I say, work at your own pace and have fun - the rest will fall into place. If a WSO is part of that plan, so be it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by bgean View Post

      Some valid points here, some concern me.

      Who pegged the Warrior Special Offer as a get-rich scheme? Did I miss that memorandum? I learned it was a way to launch your product, make some sales, and build long-term relationships. None of which are possible unless you participate!
      Then you learned correctly.

      What concerned me on the OP was:

      I suggested to a client to run a WSO and he thought I was nuts. Why should he cut his price if his product is so good? $40 to list it? WTF?
      Client here sounds like someone who already had something going on. They don't sound so noobish - but I have no idea who that is or what they were selling so perhaps my interpretation was wrong.



      How long does a newcomer need to wait before they ARE ready? It depends on the person, does it not?
      As I mentioned - it is to ones benefit to have some kind of reputation somewhere on the web that can be verified. If you don't have a business in place when you come to this forum, perhaps it will help to build one by adding a positive influence to the community as a whole.

      Personally I am quicker to hit that buy button on someone I know vs someone I have no clue about.

      3. A Warrior Special Offer Means The Price You Give Must Be Better Than The Price The Public At Large Can Get. (This is not a "buy my product" forum, it is a "Special Offer" forum)
      The title of this thread has changed to better reflect a better topic of discussion. The way it was originally posted as 7 reasons to WSO and pointed at NOOBS gave me the impression that the OP was suggesting all the noobs need to just WSO and that is going to be the best solution for them to start a business. Not all of us here sell shovels as our primary way of making money.

      Can that forum be used to sell in once you have had a successful campaign of some kind? Certainly.

      There are the rare cases of someone who is just offering a simple service - like writing some articles. Typically I find these things can be offered and even successful by those less known and with some success to launch them up quickly. But I have to tell you, lol - I found something just a couple of days ago that was such a faux pas. Someone offering article writing services decided to share his samples as found on Ezine articles on several accounts that he owned - breaking Ezines TOS . He even used his same photo on 2 of the accounts and a similar name. This person is new to this forum, and just my seeing his inability to realize he was breaking a TOS told me immediately this is someone who should NOT WSO. Just reading and checking the offers, other members here may get the wrong idea it is ok to have several ezine accounts. I personally would hate to see someone get in trouble because they thought this was an ok practice. While it has nothing to do with the offer itself, it does tell me a lot about the character of the person offering it. And I'm sure a lot of noobs don't realize this is not ok to do. Perhaps if this guy had spent some time here interacting on the forum, he might know about that rule too.

      Anyway, Thanks Rus! LOL, I was a bit tired last night and wanted to do 7 and I just couldn't think anymore at that point.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Those who are defensive about the "rights" to run a WSO should consider the other side of the coin.

        Newbies buy many of the WSOs and money is wasted if the offers for "make money" products are written by people equally new who "made a product" to capitalize on the WF members.

        That's my main concern about shoddy offers here. I'm not going to buy them - I know better. But for someone with hope for online profits, buying a few bad offers can make them believe all of IM is a scam.

        There are many new members who've been working online for some time and have real expertise to share in a WSO. There are others who are looking to make their first bucks online by selling to people here. It's the second group that shouldn't be encouraged.

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      • Profile picture of the author bgean
        Thanks for explaining, Jill -- I appreciate it!


        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        Then you learned correctly.

        What concerned me on the OP was:

        Client here sounds like someone who already had something going on. They don't sound so noobish - but I have no idea who that is or what they were selling so perhaps my interpretation was wrong.

        As I mentioned - it is to ones benefit to have some kind of reputation somewhere on the web that can be verified. If you don't have a business in place when you come to this forum, perhaps it will help to build one by adding a positive influence to the community as a whole.

        Personally I am quicker to hit that buy button on someone I know vs someone I have no clue about.

        The title of this thread has changed to better reflect a better topic of discussion. The way it was originally posted as 7 reasons to WSO and pointed at NOOBS gave me the impression that the OP was suggesting all the noobs need to just WSO and that is going to be the best solution for them to start a business. Not all of us here sell shovels as our primary way of making money.

        Can that forum be used to sell in once you have had a successful campaign of some kind? Certainly.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Very well said. Thanks for your input.

      I see no harm in using the WSO forum as an inexpensive place to test a product before investing big bucks and taking it to market.

      As a noob, I think the worst thing you can do is create a site and massive product only to find out that it flops.

      ... Just don't hype it up!

      Of course others will see this as contravening the original spirit of the forum.

      Sal

      Originally Posted by bgean View Post

      Some valid points here, some concern me.

      Who pegged the Warrior Special Offer as a get-rich scheme? Did I miss that memorandum? I learned it was a way to launch your product, make some sales, and build long-term relationships. None of which are possible unless you participate!

      As for the money thing, it does help to pay the bills. We are all in business to make a living, serve others, and become financially independent of the corporate Boss. Any infallible way to achieve your goals is a green light, as long as you are honorable.

      On the flip side:
      I've seen and bought my share of junk products from so-called gurus, too. The only difference is they cost more! -LOL - Some through a WSO, some not. Still, we can't always point the finger at the newcomers.

      -- Just saying.

      How long does a newcomer need to wait before they ARE ready? It depends on the person, does it not?

      You learn from mistakes, but if you are not actively testing and trying things, mistakes cannot happen. How then do you learn? You gain insight through experimentation. Some things work, others will not. You will learn what works only by performing, not by being immobile.

      I say, work at your own pace and have fun - the rest will fall into place. If a WSO is part of that plan, so be it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
      Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx View Post

      I launched one about 2 years ago, did ok made a little profit but nothing amazing.

      Saying that though it's a different beast today. You got affiliates now, price is now $47 so the marketing methods on how you market a WSO has probs changed.

      Never go in there anyway. Everytime bought something - I knew it all - despite their crazy claims.

      James Scholes
      The cost of a WSO is $40 not $47. Affiliates are a good thing not a bad thing (they build your list for you,) - sorry you already know everything - sadly IMHO I think you're missing out - if you don't go in the WSO section from time to time!

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post


      The OP is re-enforcing the rapidly growing perception that somewhere to launch a new product as a newbie. The place is already overflowing with crap from people who are sitting around thinking "what could I make to sell as a WSO?" and there are even members here creating products on how to mine the forum for information and sell it back to members as a WSO.
      There's nothing wrong with mining forums for product ideas. That's basic product creation technique. Say you had a car enthusiast affiliate product you wanted to sell. You could 'mine' a car enthusiast forum for common questions (how do I get the yellow off my headlights?) and then create a free report - to drive traffic to your website - where you can sell them your 'purchased' product (either an affiliate or one you created yourself.)

      If people in the WF are consistently asking specific questions and there are no current WSO that answers that question - then why not dig into the question - really expand on the answers create a useful WSO to help people out?
      Originally Posted by Paul Barrs View Post

      Andy, spot on.

      I know it ain't gonna happen, but I'd love to see a new WSO rule... show us where it is on the web, and then offer us the WSO.

      *That way*, it really IS a special offer.

      I'd be pretty sure that many WSO promoters don't even have a website, let alone know how to build one, and if it wasn't for the WSO forum, they'd have never made a dime online... but then as an entrepreneur, that's a plus for WSO's.
      Well - if that rule ever is instituted, I'll have my WSO standing by ready to launch - "How to Create Your Pre-WSO Sales Page Outside of the WF in 2 Easy Free Steps!"

      Originally Posted by bgean View Post

      On the flip side:
      I've seen and bought my share of junk products from so-called gurus, too. The only difference is they cost more! -LOL - Some through a WSO, some not. Still, we can't always point the finger at the newcomers.

      -- Just saying.
      Ditto! - some of the best WSO's I've purchased recently were from first timers - who didn't understand the concept of breaking down everything into 'chunks,' - and who don't know yet grasp (or yet care) that they are giving away future earnings by providing too much information.

      On the flip side - I'm wary of 'guru' products because I know it's going to be just a taste or glimmer of some idea, with the real meat coming with more dollars committed down the road - and the true feast of information only available at the 5 figure Master Course level.

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    • Profile picture of the author uebomoyi
      Originally Posted by bgean View Post

      Some valid points here, some concern me.

      Who pegged the Warrior Special Offer as a get-rich scheme? Did I miss that memorandum? I learned it was a way to launch your product, make some sales, and build long-term relationships. None of which are possible unless you participate!

      As for the money thing, it does help to pay the bills. We are all in business to make a living, serve others, and become financially independent of the corporate Boss. Any infallible way to achieve your goals is a green light, as long as you are honorable.

      On the flip side:
      I've seen and bought my share of junk products from so-called gurus, too. The only difference is they cost more! -LOL - Some through a WSO, some not. Still, we can't always point the finger at the newcomers.

      -- Just saying.

      How long does a newcomer need to wait before they ARE ready? It depends on the person, does it not?

      You learn from mistakes, but if you are not actively testing and trying things, mistakes cannot happen. How then do you learn? You gain insight through experimentation. Some things work, others will not. You will learn what works only by performing, not by being immobile.

      I say, work at your own pace and have fun - the rest will fall into place. If a WSO is part of that plan, so be it.
      Thanks for posting this, I think I'm going to make a WSO apart of my plan. It's all just a matter of time. Not to mention I'm wondering how long it will take to create it, promote it and hopefully generate sales. For a quality WSO I assume you would have to plan maybe 6 weeks in advance in order to complete the whole process for it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    There are many new members who've been working online for some time and have real expertise to share in a WSO.
    Even so, I still believe that person should take the time to put value into the forum firstly. It just makes sense, if your not a Kern or some big name it won't matter how much success you've had outside the forum, what counts is what you've done to help the existing community here on the forums. IMHO.

    I do agree about your latter concerns though, they are completely valid!
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    • Profile picture of the author mickyboy73
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      Even so, I still believe that person should take the time to put value into the forum firstly. It just makes sense, if your not a Kern or some big name it won't matter how much success you've had outside the forum, what counts is what you've done to help the existing community here on the forums. IMHO.

      I do agree about your latter concerns though, they are completely valid!

      I refuse to trust the big names - those are the ones who are more likely to take more of your money and deliver less. At least with some of the lower quality WSO's the price is low so you're not hugely out of pocket ;-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        Maybe you missed the point. I'm referring to the amount of contribution to the forum in relation to how well known they are or not are.

        A trusted external authority who doesn't post here much wouldn't have much problem with doing a WSO even though they haven't contributed much if at all.

        I only used kerns name as an example not saying he's some one to trust, right Frank?

        Originally Posted by mickyboy73 View Post

        I refuse to trust the big names - those are the ones who are more likely to take more of your money and deliver less. At least with some of the lower quality WSO's the price is low so you're not hugely out of pocket ;-)
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          Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

          I only used kerns name as an example not saying he's some one to trust, right Frank?
          Ha hahahaha hahaha that made me laugh - cheers ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author mickyboy73
    I consider myself an experienced marketer having been online full time for more than 6 years. I run my own forum and have released a number of stable info products over the years. I am responsible for making a WP theme and some free plugins some of the most popular and most used.

    On a different forum (which I won't mention the name) I started a thread where I gave away a complete money making method which has had 2,746 replies and 181,053 views.

    I also run a small SEO company in the UK.

    However, due to a lack of activity in the WF I am seen as a newb - this is a shame as I plan on releasing a WSO for a product that does something that no other product currently does.

    Being classed as a newbie here could be to the loss of WF members but I appreciate, as an experienced marketer, your online reputation carries a lot of weight.
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    I want to post an example here, so that hopefully it elaborates on my OP...

    For every BUMP, I make 4 - 5 sales on average (used to be higher) at $27 for a product which sells of $67 on my site.

    Of these, 50% will take my upsell for another $27.

    For every 10 sales, 1 will take up my custom service at $197.

    Not staggering numbers but very useful because I can then promote related products to these clients.

    That's just from the original WSO.

    It has to be noted that I have back end products in place.

    So hopefully, this better explains how I use the WSO forum as part of my overall business strategy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by mickyboy73 View Post


      However, due to a lack of activity in the WF I am seen as a newb - this is a shame as I plan on releasing a WSO for a product that does something that no other product currently does.

      Being classed as a newbie here could be to the loss of WF members but I appreciate, as an experienced marketer, your online reputation carries a lot of weight.
      You missed the point.

      I can see your join date.

      Also, you have references. Even if they are not on this forum, you have them.

      Anyway, you are not a NOOB.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

    Are you starting out with a product or sevice which is of value to internet marketers?

    Is it any good? Want to fast-track your business? If yes, then use it correctly and you can see great results.

    I suggested to a client to run a WSO and he thought I was nuts. Why should he cut his price if his product is so good? $40 to list it? WTF?

    Sheesh, talk about scarcity mindset. Used correctly, WSO's can provide an instant injection to your business in more ways imaginable.
    On the other hand there are some of us who really dont want any of our products associated with the mush that populates the WSO forum.

    BY running a WSO you run the risk of devaluing your higher priced products, (with people taking the view if you wait one day it will become a WSO)

    I'm sure I could come with 5 more reason why not too, rivaling your 7 reasons to
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      I see where you are coming from.

      However, I never have nor ever will provide my entire product as a WSO.

      It like an OTO... everything has to be unique.

      It's primarily a front end strategy in my case.

      Cheers.

      Sal

      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      On the other hand there are some of us who really dont want any of our products associated with the mush that populates the WSO forum.

      BY running a WSO you run the risk of devaluing your higher priced products, (with people taking the view if you wait one day it will become a WSO)

      I'm sure I could come with 5 more reason why not too, rivaling your 7 reasons to
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        I see where you are coming from.

        However, I never have nor ever will provide my entire product as a WSO.

        It like an OTO... everything has to be unique.

        It's primarily a front end strategy in my case.

        Cheers.

        Sal

        I'm not saying your advice is wrong Sal i'm just pointing out there are pro's and cons to every strategy which are worth mentioning

        And as an add on, I dont think newbies should be offering make money strategys in the WSO forum or anywhere for that matter.

        Make money Wso's should only be done by people who have some experience and are actually doing it, and doing it over an extended period. A lot of the problems in there are because newbies are being encouraged to do this without ever having made money elsewhere on the net.
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        • Profile picture of the author sal64
          Absolutely, Robert.

          And thanks for the input. That's why I throw it out there... so we can discuss it and learn from each other.

          I agree that people who haven't made money from a system should not create said products.

          And you can generally them out by questioning them on the thread. They usually get real defensive and aggressive with their answers. This happened to me last year.

          Then on the flip side, what if I try a new method and it makes me $674? Am I then qualified to create a product which explains how I did it?

          In my mind, the answer is yes. I don't have a problem if they have a thread title which says How I Made $674 Using This One Simple Method.

          What I don't condone is someone who has never invested in stocks or real estate selling products which teach this sort of stuff.

          Once again, thanks for the constructive input.

          Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

          I'm not saying your advice is wrong Sal i'm just pointing out there are pro's and cons to every strategy which are worth mentioning

          And as an add on, I dont think newbies should be offering make money strategys in the WSO forum or anywhere for that matter.

          Make money Wso's should only be done by people who have some experience and are actually doing it, and doing it over an extended period. A lot of the problems in there are because newbies are being encouraged to do this without ever having made money elsewhere on the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
    Had my first 2 WSO's this summer for the reasons Sal mentioned.. of course, in time I learned on my own skin what Jill said..
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    A lot of people are saying they believe you should not be allowed to sell a WSO if you are not already selling the product elsewhere.

    Don't forget, a product offered only to members of WF is also a special offer!

    For instance, I will be selling a PLR pack in about two weeks that will not be available on my website, and instead only available to members of WF. Does that mean it is no longer a special offer? No, it is simply a different type of special offer.

    While I agree it is unfortunate that so many people are selling WSOs on making money online when they are not making money using those methods, but you see that all over the internet, not just in the WSO forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    Hence the need to use it as part of a strategy.. not the sole strategy.

    Mind you, if people are dumb enough to believe that some who makes $1000's and sells their system for $7, then they deserve to be parted with their hard earned.

    The best way to discourage this type of practice is to not buy, and to review honestly, good or bad.

    But we digress...
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    • Profile picture of the author CTonline09
      Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

      Hence the need to use it as part of a strategy.. not the sole strategy.

      Mind you, if people are dumb enough to believe that some who makes $1000's and sells their system for $7, then they deserve to be parted with their hard earned.

      The best way to discourage this type of practice is to not buy, and to review honestly, good or bad.

      But we digress...
      Its the fact that alot of WSO are not products they are simply money making gimmicks that will not stand you in good favour for your future online business.

      They are not solid business structures and serve no purpose but to make the creator a few bucks.

      The rare few that stand out from the crowd are what the WSO forum is all about.

      You know the ones that aren't bumped over 500 times and are from people that actually go on to create a great product with a fantastic sales funnel, back end membership and something that actually helps people fine tune there marketing skills.

      Not WSO's that tell you to go buy a MRR ebook and sell it on another forum!!!

      When I shop the WSO section I am looking for solid information not an over hyped get rich quick scheme that wont stand the test of time!
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    Cannot argue with that logic.

    I am the same...

    Any title that starts with PROOF!! or How I made...

    Is a red flag for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Salian
    Thanks Sal,

    I've just finished creating my product and was planning to launch it as a WSO. Your advice has just come in time. Is boosted up my belief even higher.

    Cheers,

    Aaron
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