Is this domain really worth 1200$?

by vdhun
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Hi,

I have two domains appstoreipad.net and .org as well.

According to Valuate.com .net domain worth 1200$ and .org worth 680$.

As I am not a regular domain flipper would you please share your thoughts here about the accuracy of this valuation.



Thanks,

Daniel
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  • Profile picture of the author sethdrebitko
    Well it's got some great keywords in the domain and it's in a popular area. I'd say if you could start to draw in some traffic and prove that it could draw a crowd it would be pretty valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    your thoughts here about the accuracy of this valuation.
    In my opinion - 0% accuracy - and potential trademark problems with both domains

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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      In my opinion - 0% accuracy - and potential trademark problems with both domains
      kay
      I agree with Kay on this one.

      Not withstanding the trademark issue "app store" and "ipad" in
      the name.
      With appstoreipad.net having a PR1 and very few backlinks
      the next question is how much revenue is it generating?
      I am guessing not much, IMO you will be hard pressed to
      get even 5% of the "estimated" value.
      Maybe one of the "flipping" experts can help you out here...
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    How would the website know your revenue...how would such a site know "what your site or domain is worth" <--- those evaluation sites are nonsense.

    If you go on flippa and see how people refer to such sites you immediately know they are new to selling sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    The only thing automated appraisal tools can do for you is give you a 'value' based on some common metrics taken from similar domains that have sold in the past. Quite often, these metrics do not apply to the domain you're checking, and there's no real way for the automation tool to know that.

    Even human appraisers can't give you anything near an 'accurate' appraisal, because there is no such thing. Have 10 experts give you an appraisal, and you'll get 10 different numbers.

    The value of any one particular domain depends on your ability to research and find a hungry buyer. To most of the world, your domain has little or no value. To a few prospective buyers, it may be VERY valuable.

    As others have pointed out in this thread, a well known trademark is very problematic to begin with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Smokin Joe
    IMO Apple would win both of these domain names from you in a UDRP.

    Trademark domains are trouble.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      A domain is only worth what someone is willing to spend in buying it. If you can only get an offer for $25 and nothing more, that's what your domain is worth.

      As Gene has said, your best bet is finding someone that values your domain and is willing to buy it for more than a few dollars.

      Personally, I would drop them both immediately because of the reference to the Apple product.

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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    Not that much, considering they have trademarked terms in them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sophix
    I'm afraid as people here have pointed out, those domains contain trademarks and Apple isnt shy about suing people to protect its rights.

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  • Profile picture of the author ColinChia
    Well... always take the online appraisals with a pinch of salt - a majority of the time, it's based off the keywords - in no particular order and could throw you off making you think your domain is worth $X,XXX.

    You see, with domain flipping - any domain is worth anything to anyone as long as you find the perfect END USER! Maybe if you posted them domains on a App Forum and someone was happening to be looking for a domain with that exact match, then your in the zone. But to regular users like me or other warriors here, the domain doesn't hold much value - However, something like MakeMoneyApp.com would be a BIG hit here.

    So my point is... find your END USER - who the value of the domain will be most valuable to.

    NOTE: I'm not condoning the copyright infringement you have here, but it is definitely something you should be careful with.

    Hope this helps,

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    • Profile picture of the author jideofor
      Originally Posted by ColinChia View Post

      Well... always take the online appraisals with a pinch of salt - a majority of the time, it's based off the keywords - in no particular order and could throw you off making you think your domain is worth ,XXX.

      You see, with domain flipping - any domain is worth anything to anyone as long as you find the perfect END USER! Maybe if you posted them domains on a App Forum and someone was happening to be looking for a domain with that exact match, then your in the zone. But to regular users like me or other warriors here, the domain doesn't hold much value - However, something like MakeMoneyApp.com would be a BIG hit here.

      So my point is... find your END USER - who the value of the domain will be most valuable to.

      NOTE: I'm not condoning the copyright infringement you have here, but it is definitely something you should be careful with.

      Hope this helps,

      Colin
      I love the way you crafted it. But I will like to say this wouldn't be a problem if you use the domain name,after hosting it, to promote ipad from appstore. It is just like an affiliate to them, but anything aside this spell doom
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by jideofor View Post

        I love the way you crafted it. But I will like to say this wouldn't be a problem if you use the domain name,after hosting it, to promote ipad from appstore. It is just like an affiliate to them, but anything aside this spell doom
        Yet another shining example of why you should never take legal advice given on an open public forum.

        Apple owns the trademark for the word 'ipad', and they have to defend it if they want to keep it. Otherwise, the trademark protection goes away and the word is accepted for common usage.

        It wouldn't matter how many ipads you sold as an affiliate, it would be small potatoes compared to the value of the trademark. Without that protection, 'ipad' would be a generic term for a tablet computer, not an Apple product.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Lot of "shining examples" in this thread

          Here's the basic problem:

          You find a domain name with a famous brand "word" in it and you think:
          "Wow, this was a great find. This will be worth something"

          But it's worthless. The only reason it was available to the OP is because others know not to register it. It's unusable. Could you get by with it? Maybe, for a while....or maybe not. How much you willing to spend to find out?

          Can you imagine any business more likely to protect its trademarks online than a company like Apple?
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelcorvin
    The domain is only worth what a buyer is willing to pay...But I seriously doubt any buyer would pay that. Also, have the words ipad in a domain is copyright infringement. Apple would not be a happy camper.
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    This domain have a good chance for a lot of trouble
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I've had my flagship site since 2000. Automated apprasials say it's worth $60K. If I thought that were true I'd sell it real quick. But it's not true.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
      well I just ran google.com through it and it valued google.com at $1,500 so I'm going to say it's not that accurate...
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  • Profile picture of the author vdhun
    Thanks for everyone to take your time and share your thouth with me. I really appreciate it. It helped me a lot!

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author kimjox
    It depends on buyers willing to spend that sum .
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Given the obvious trademark problems, if you can find a sucker - oops, I mean 'buyer' - willing to make an offer, take it and run for the hills...
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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    Originally Posted by vdhun View Post

    Hi,

    I have two domains appstoreipad.net and .org as well.

    According to Valuate.com .net domain worth 1200$ and .org worth 680$.

    As I am not a regular domain flipper would you please share your thoughts here about the accuracy of this valuation.



    Thanks,

    Daniel

    Probably not. Those valuation sites are highly inaccurate and based on NO real world data. That domain is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay, or as much as the domain's actual website is worth.. which is nothing if it's parked!
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  • Trademarks? - We don't need no stinking trademarks!

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    pps - how long do you think it will take after printing this to get my C&D?
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  • Profile picture of the author CTonline09
    If you sold the domain without the site, then you may get an inexperienced noob buy it for that price thinking they have a winner in their midst.

    However there is definately copyright issues with having ipad in the domain name.

    I would check that id I were you because you may start seeing some good traffic to your site with some good promotion only to have ot ripped away from you for copyright infringement.

    As for site valuation checkers there a load of rubbish, no one knows how much a site makes apart from the owner and thats what a site should be valued on not the age of the domain or how many links it has pointing back to it.


    Originally Posted by vdhun View Post

    Hi,

    I have two domains appstoreipad.net and .org as well.

    According to Valuate.com .net domain worth 1200$ and .org worth 680$.

    As I am not a regular domain flipper would you please share your thoughts here about the accuracy of this valuation.



    Thanks,

    Daniel
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    #1 - There is no such thing as copyright infringement on a domain name. Only Trademark infringement.

    #2 - We are not talking about "site valuations". We're talking about domain name valuations. Two different things entirely.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    I wouldn't give more than $25.00 for both of the sites, most of the times these value is not accurate. The value is calculated very easy! First the PR, then the number of the QUALITY backlinks and finally the number of the daily visitors. Other things should NOT be calculated. Then, you will receive the right value of your websites
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  • Profile picture of the author JSThompson
    As stated before you have some real trademark issues in the future with these domains. I would dump them asap.
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  • Profile picture of the author vdhun
    Thanks again for everybody who take/took part in this coversation. I really appreciate it!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mullguy
      Gene is your man here. I would guess Valuate is taking the iPad word into consideration when returning that figure. I was bored one day & did a valuation on one of my squidoo lenses. Simply due to the word squidoo in the domain title the valuation came back as Mega bucks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hostpany
    I don't think its worth much since you don't own that trademark.
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  • Profile picture of the author gauvion
    Some heavy keywords there. This would be best for a landing page for an affiliate account I think....I doubt you'll be able to find someone who will pay you 1200 though, maybe 500 if you're lucky.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adharna
    Iphone/Ipod domains worth realy highter price

    Ranking this domain and get money
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  • Profile picture of the author owenlee
    i think the value they give you might not be true and you may get into trouble for copyright issue...
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  • Profile picture of the author piyushjeswani
    I don't think it is worth $1200. But it has some good keywords. You can monetize it and make a site which can be sold for more than $1200.
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