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14 years ago

Absolutely. That`s the biggest problem with the IM industry.

Without experience and good results an author in the IM niche has nothing to offer.

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SteveJohnson 14 years ago

Originally Posted by PimpSEO

Absolutely. That`s the biggest problem with the IM industry.

Without experience and good results an author in the IM niche has nothing to offer.

Totally wrong, but whatever.
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Andy Fletcher

14 years ago

Honestly John. You're so selfish.

If you'd just create the product, market it and sell it I'm sure he'd be willing to give you a cut.

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rosetrees

14 years ago

No doubt that same member will be back soon asking why their wso didn't sell well, or why s/he had a such a high refund rate. Sighhhhhh

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Karan Goel

14 years ago

Agreed John.

Making money is a take-risk-or-keep-begging thing.

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davejug1

14 years ago

This kind of thing is not new or unique, so many people in the past and some of your peers too and making money on the basis of knowing someone who is good.

The old "My interview with *Insert guru name* will open your eyes" thing has been doing the round for years.

Maybe his approach wasn't the best but come one, if he has no skills, is there anything wrong with him asking the person who does? Providing you get accreditation for it you could even benefit from it (though I would proof read it first)

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RNMKR

14 years ago

I understand if his intentions were to ask a ton of successful warriors. . . and just compile it all together (not sure how good it would sell), but if that were his intentions, he should let it be known in the future

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Kay King 14 years ago

I'm currently building a WSO on how to get your WSO to sell big

I think the train left the station, John. The "my upcoming WSO" has been a common theme in main section recently - and we now have 5-7 times the number of viewers in the WSO section as in the main forum. We have people running businesses associated with "how to WSO" who have never posted a WSO...and affiliate programs that blast offers to anyone on a list. The "exclusive/special" nature of a WSO is a thing of the past.

Maybe it's "progress" but you have to wonder....and there do seem to be as many bad buyers as bad sellers so maybe it balances out.

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Chri5123

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Taylor

I received the following PM from someone who isn't a War Room member and, as such, is unlikely to have posted a WSO...
And this was my reply...

I'm all for helping people when I can. BUT, I'm getting sick and tired of all the people who think they can simply roll up and make money from my fellow warriors by selling "methods" based on nothing but theory and speculation.

John

I agree this is not good and what the real shame is the approach.

If they had researched who you were, read a few of your posts or ideally bought a few of your products and were honest and said they wanted to create a WSO that helps newbies take action and would love to interview some of the top Warriors this may have been better.

I am not saying you would of gone for it...but there is a HUGE problem with someone asking:

"I am going to make a product telling people how to make money. You look like you make a lot of money can you tell me how you do it and then I will sell the ideas and profit! Sound good?"

"No, you go and struggle, piece together information, work hard and build YOUR business."

Really annoys me, but I think it is down to naivety more than anything else.

Chris

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Rus Sells

14 years ago

In my opinion...

Doing a WSO on;

How to make big money doing a WSO,
How to have a hugely successful WSO, or
Anything related on how to do a WSO as as a WSO...

and any other type of WSO about WSO's should be strictly forbidden PERIOD!

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Chri5123

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rus Sells

In my opinion...

Doing a WSO on;

How to make big money doing a WSO,
How to have a hugely successful WSO, or
Anything related on how to do a WSO as as a WSO...

and any other type of WSO about WSO's should be strictly forbidden PERIOD!

Hmm, difficult one!

I think the thing that stands out for me is that people that BUY these products think that having a successful WSO has different steps to having a successful product.

I can give everyone a BIG tip to having a successful WSO:

* Make sure it is INDEED a WSO - not just something you have made up in 2 hours to try and sell to get rich! :rolleyes:

* Offer REAL value - You MUST be doing what you tell other people to do or at least have been successful at it.

* Offer REAL Value...

I would write that one a thousand times...

Chris Jones

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Rus Sells

14 years ago

The point behind the post is that these "types" of WSO encourage people to soley create a WSO to pull money out of the forum. That being the ONLY reason the WSO is created is why we see a rash of people posting on the forums asking who to embed a damn Youtube video in their WSO.

My god if you one doesn't know how to even do that without asking do they have any business doing a WSO in the first place, let alone a WSO about how to run or make a WSO!

Your points are agreeable as well Chris.

Russ

Originally Posted by Chri5123

Hmm, difficult one!

I think the thing that stands out for me is that people that BUY these products think that having a successful WSO has different steps to having a successful product.

I can give everyone a BIG tip to having a successful WSO:

* Make sure it is INDEED a WSO - not just something you have made up in 2 hours to try and sell to get rich! :rolleyes:

* Offer REAL value - You MUST be doing what you tell other people to do or at least have been successful at it.

* Offer REAL Value...

I would write that one a thousand times...

Chris Jones

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Chri5123

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rus Sells

The point behind the post is that these "types" of WSO encourage people to soley create a WSO to pull money out of the forum. That being the ONLY reason the WSO is created is why we see a rash of people posting on the forums asking who to embed a damn Youtube video in their WSO.

My god if you one doesn't know how to even do that without asking do they have any business doing a WSO in the first place, let alone a WSO about how to run or make a WSO!

Your points are agreeable as well Chris.

Russ

Thanks Russ,

Of course you could join in the mentality and release a WSO on "How to insert YouTube videos into your WSO like a Pro!" :p

Chris

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chri5123

Hmm, difficult one!

I think the thing that stands out for me is that people that BUY these products think that having a successful WSO has different steps to having a successful product.

I can give everyone a BIG tip to having a successful WSO:

* Make sure it is INDEED a WSO - not just something you have made up in 2 hours to try and sell to get rich! :rolleyes:

* Offer REAL value - You MUST be doing what you tell other people to do or at least have been successful at it.

* Offer REAL Value...

I would write that one a thousand times...

Chris Jones

Exactly, Chris. It's the same thing - other than a special price. Your $40.00 is paid because this is where you choose to advertise the product. You can spend the same $40 to advertise a product elsewhere - and those selling products not related to MMO, do just that. If the product sucks, you get refund requests, and people remember not to do business with you again.

Can't figure out why people do stuff that will guarantee them a one-shot wonder status. Sell a few hundred bucks of an inane worthless product and have a whole market sector avoid you like the plague forever afterward.

Maybe that is a form of divine justice. Just think of how many scamming idiots we get rid of real fast via self annihilation? It's kinda like watching lemmings jump over a cliff -- but not as sad.

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ExRat 14 years ago

Hi John,

Some of the most popular WSOs that are perpetually bumped, are 'coaching' for how to build a 'business.'

This business is built by listing multiple WSOs in order to build a list.

If you look through the threads, you can see the level of the people who are taking this coaching.

The last time I checked on the one, in order to claim a refund for this high priced coaching you had to have 'followed' the course - the proof of which was the act of launching multiple WSOs. In other words launching multiple WSOs is a requirement for every participant who takes the coaching.

It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to work out that this exponential growth of freshly-coached newb IMers posting WSOs in the WSO forum is probably not going to lead somewhere positive. 'Fake-it-till-you-make-it' saturation? A dumbed-down community? Take a stroll through those threads, estimate the quantity of buyers, check out some of their WSOs.

So much for 'special offers to warriors cheaper/better than offered elsewhere.'

The WSO forum is now like a self-replicating virus - the newbs are self-replicating in there and then launching more WSOs which spawn more self-replicating newbs who launch more WSOs.

It doesn't help that the virus spreads to other parts of the forum, as post counts are built, 'research' is conducted, dumb questions are asked, livid buyers rant about being scammed...
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George Wright

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rus Sells

In my opinion...

Doing a WSO on;

How to make big money doing a WSO,
How to have a hugely successful WSO, or
Anything related on how to do a WSO as as a WSO...

and any other type of WSO about WSO's should be strictly forbidden PERIOD!

Having written 2 and co written 1 for a total of 3 and having read ones that were recommended by Allen Says (written by other Warriors) my question is...

Why?

George Wright

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timpears

14 years ago

This comes from all the WSO's that are telling you that you can make big bucks with a WSO and you don't need any experience. I don't know how you can teach anyone about IM if you have no experience in IM. But I have read multiple sales letters in the WSO section that claim just that. I have even bought a couple of them just to see what the skinny is.

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ExRat 14 years ago

Hi Tim,

I have even bought a couple of them just to see what the skinny is.

What was the skinny?

Was it a new 'skin' (cover) put on a rehashed product, by any chance?
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SteveJohnson

14 years ago

I could be wrong, but I don't think it's going to be too long until we begin to see a thinning out of the WSO forum.

I don't think the poor WSOs have been brutalized enough. A few years ago, when someone put up a trash WSO everyone knew about it simply from reading the comments left in the thread. There is still a little bit of that, but more often all there is are pages and pages of fluffly "oh, this is the best since sliced bagels!" comments.

John Rhodes ( I think it was, anyway ) did a WSO a long while back on how to do a WSO. It was good solid info, and one of his points was to use the WSO forum as a launchpad and testing area for eventual widespread release of your product. He also said that to run WSOs you might want to make sure you can take the heat because if your stuff wasn't up to snuff, you'd surely know it.

I could make this Sunday afternoon entertainment. Buy a couple of cheap WSOs so I can trash them if they deserve it.

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