Clickbank Marketers' Underhanded Tactics To Funnel Away Commissions

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I am finding it increasingly difficult to work with marketers who offer their products through Clickbank.

More and more Clickbank products are now building "leaks" into their sales pages. I found one yesterday which fitted all my criteria except where they offered a teaser of three free videos. Of course, anyone interested in this offer, was first required to sign up with their email address.

I quickly set up an affiliate link to the product and using a throw-away email address, duly signed up for the free offer.

This morning, I checked and, as expected, there was an email from the marketer, pushing his product, with several 'buy now' links.

When I clicked, they went straight to a payment page with his affiliate link at the bottom.

This underhandedness is also creeping into products I've been promoting for a while. I now check each one weekly, and on a couple of occasions I've stopped promoting products because of newly implemented leaks which out and out steal my commissions.

Just one marketer apologized and provided me with my own leak-free page. Others have either told me to live with because a certain percentage of visitors will still buy directly, or not even bothered to reply when I've emailed them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I agree this is a problem and it's increased dramatically at CB in the past year or two. Seem to me what happens is one or two sellers try tricks like this while other sellers say "I wouldn't do that - it's not right".

    But then when nothing bad happens to the tricky sellers, others decide to join in and it becomes "a method".

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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      This has actually been going on for quite a few years among numerous unscrupulous vendors. Besides being aware of all possible "leaks", always test the sales page and make sure your affiliate ID appears at the bottom of the payment page. Also here's a tricky selling method I've been using with all those tricky vendors:

      How you can protect yourself from the cheating Clickbank vendors
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I agree this is a problem and it's increased dramatically at CB in the past year or two. Seem to me what happens is one or two sellers try tricks like this while other sellers say "I wouldn't do that - it's not right".
      This is what I'm finding; it's snowballing. Two years ago, it was barely an issue, whereas now, finding a product which I fee able to promote with confidence is becoming more and more difficult.

      Recently, I embarked upon a brand new niche (nothing whatsoever to do with IM). I created a nice site, built around three, seemingly good products, but I've already dumped one of the three because the marketer implemented these underhanded tactics.

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      But then when nothing bad happens to the tricky sellers, others decide to join in and it becomes "a method".

      kay
      It concerns me that in all probability, brand new IMers, working with Clickbank for the first time, won't be aware of these tactics. They will put a lot of effort (and possibly money) into promoting products, while the marketers say thanks very much, and contrive to steal their commissions. No wonder so many believe Clickbank doesn't work.
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  • Profile picture of the author DustonMcGroarty
    Have any of you actually contacted Clickbank about this? They are a real business out in Idaho and they actually have a REALLY great team of customer service reps. I would report these vendors to them directly... it's a direct infringement on their contract with Clickbank.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by DustonMcGroarty View Post

      I would report these vendors to them directly... it's a direct infringement on their contract with Clickbank.
      Just where in the Clickbank contract does it say these tactics are a "direct infringement"? :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Just where in the Clickbank contract does it say these tactics are a "direct infringement"? :rolleyes:
        I've painstakingly sifted through the Clickbank contract, but I'm unable to find anything making reference to these tactics.
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        • Profile picture of the author bretski
          I didn't start making money until I checked out sales pages for leaks like the one that you have described. I don't care what anyone says, as an affiliate I made $0 promoting stuff with optins on the sales page and that is proof enough for me.

          Best thing you can do is just put your efforts into promoting another product. There are enough good products out there and honest vendors who need good affiliates.
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      • Profile picture of the author DustonMcGroarty
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Just where in the Clickbank contract does it say these tactics are a "direct infringement"? :rolleyes:
        While it's not listed under their Vendor Terms, I think it's still a valid argument that I would take up with them if someone were messing with my commissions... Listed under their Client Contract #2 letter d:
        "You will not interfere with ClickBank's tracking of Commissions, or with the normal flow of traffic to, through, or from the ClickBank Services."

        Clickbank has an obligation to both their affiliates and their vendors. Their business doesn't work if one of these are missing.
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        • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
          Originally Posted by DustonMcGroarty View Post

          While it's not listed under their Vendor Terms, I think it's still a valid argument that I would take up with them if someone were messing with my commissions... Listed under their Client Contract #2 letter d:
          "You will not interfere with ClickBank's tracking of Commissions, or with the normal flow of traffic to, through, or from the ClickBank Services."

          Clickbank has an obligation to both their affiliates and their vendors. Their business doesn't work if one of these are missing.
          Good point. I'll contact Clickbank and reference the marketer I "tested" yesterday. When they reply, I'll report back here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by DustonMcGroarty View Post

      Have any of you actually contacted Clickbank about this?
      Yes, repeatedly. Have you?

      Originally Posted by DustonMcGroarty View Post

      it's a direct infringement on their contract with Clickbank.
      Unfortunately, this is just completely wrong: it simply isn't.

      ClickBank's perspective on this (and I have to say, however unpopular a view it might be, that I do see their point and might even do exactly the same, in their position) is that it would be quite impossible for them to "police" and "enforce" any arrangements/regulations which prevented vendors from doing this. And that's why they feel they have no alternative but to allow it. As far as they're concerned, once the potential customer has opted in, he "belongs" to the vendor, not to the affiliate.

      That's why there are so many threads in this forum just like this one.

      Sorry, Duston: I'm not trying to pick a fight with you over this, I promise, but those of us who have been dealing with, investigating and campaigning about this matter for years are very aware that you simply have your facts wrong, here. Anne is entirely correct: this is an increasing problem. It's gradually making people like me, who have for some time been making their full-time livings from ClickBank commissions, increasingly keen on exploring other avenues of income in addition to ClickBank products.
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        • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          If I like a Clickbank product for my lists, I'll sell it no matter what. And if the sales page is either crappy or has any leaks whatsover, I just make my own sales page with a direct link to the payment page. Simple, no muss, no fuss.
          You never encountered problems doing it that way, eg. with tracking hops?
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

            You never encountered problems doing it that way, eg. with tracking hops?
            This is of course action of last resort, as there is no way of tracking hops nor is there a (legal) way of setting cookies using this method. But this also is of no concern of mine because all my Clickbank promotions are directly to my subscriber lists. There are many very good quality and even excellent products on Clickbank, which unfortunately for reasons cited cannot be effectively promoted any other way.
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    • Profile picture of the author fairusfarok
      For born again beginners like me, I feel that this needs to be rectified immediately. Understandably, this may be more widespread than we seem to believe. A two pronged approach might be required. Clickbank, being one of the largest online retailers of online products has a lot to track at this rate, especially when we talk about errant affiliates, so they might be fantastic, but as a result of sheer size and volume, they might be abit slow at getting things settled.

      Hence it does fall onto us to do some measure of policing and protection right? WHen we find any such person doing such a thing, we should take action immediately...
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Underhandedness? Cheating? Tricks? Stealing? Not necessarily. Welcome to the real world.

    Visit most ecommerce sites and you will see an option to get on the merchant's mailing list.

    The purpose of the mailing list? To promote the merchant's products. Obviously.

    Do affiliates get commissions for merchant email promotions? Generally no.

    Isn't building a list something mentioned over and over?

    I don't recall affiliates being "entitled" to a "leak proof" sales page.

    Especially with ClickBank. Are you kidding? The king marketplace of buyers substituting their own affiliate links, or getting refunds just because they want something for free.

    Maybe online merchants should not be allowed to offer sales by phone? Or in a physical store? Those sneaky, underhanded thieves!

    In that context some of the vitriol on this thread is out of place.

    Some ClickBank merchant landing pages are ONLY a squeeze page. Yet, commissions still manage to get paid after a person opts in, gets on the email list, and later orders a product.

    Perhaps the "issue" was a matter of your ClickBank affiliate cookie not initially getting set. It happens.

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    On the other hand, yes, there are cheating scumbag merchants on ClickBank who will use tricks to overwrite affiliate cookies with their own.

    This may be one of them.

    It is odd that the 'referrer' at the bottom of the order form was not the OP, or simply 'none'.

    Is there anything in the ClickBank contract about this? Perhaps not directly, but it is called breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing. That is, an implied term in contracts that everyone will act in good faith and not try to undercut the benefits received by the other.

    You could report the merchant to ClickBank with a detailed outline of the commission theft. Mention "breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing", fraud, a FTC issue, and ask for compensation from ClickBank or termination of the merchant.

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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post


      Isn't building a list something mentioned over and over?
      Hang on, don't make assumptions. I do build a lists. I very rarely sell anything via direct marketing from my websites. My websites are pre-sale vehicles where I inform and, by dint of established trust, capture people's contact information.

      Sales are achieved via autoresponder sequence emails.

      But, at some point, my list is directed to the Clickbank marketer's sales page, and if it is contrived to leak them off to his/her sales funnel, all my pre-selling is for naught!

      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      I don't recall affiliates being "entitled" to a "leak proof" sales page.
      I disagree. They can funnel their own direct traffic to whatever sales pages they wish, but surely, when they put the product on Clickbank, for Clickbank affiliates to promote, those affiliates must surely be "entitled" to a just reward for their efforts, and often, expenditure.

      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Some ClickBank merchant landing pages are ONLY a squeeze page. Yet, commissions still manage to get paid after a person opts in, gets on the email list, and later orders a product.

      Perhaps the "issue" was a matter of your ClickBank affiliate cookie not initially getting set. It happens.
      Rubbish. My post referred an example I discovered yesterday, but I also stated clearly how I have encountered similar leaks on multiple occasions. I cannot believe the Clickbank cookie is failing to set repeatedly. Plus, I referenced one marketer who quite openly, in so many words, told me to 'live with it'.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
        Originally Posted by DustonMcGroarty View Post

        While it's not listed under their Vendor Terms, I think it's still a valid argument that I would take up with them if someone were messing with my commissions... Listed under their Client Contract #2 letter d:
        "You will not interfere with ClickBank's tracking of Commissions, or with the normal flow of traffic to, through, or from the ClickBank Services."

        Clickbank has an obligation to both their affiliates and their vendors. Their business doesn't work if one of these are missing.
        I'm not about to dig up the threads where this has been discussed, but people have already contacted CB about this and they openly state that vendors can provide alternate payment methods. I'm not saying it's right to do, just telling you what's up. What CB is referring to there is not relevant here.

        Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

        Hang on, don't make assumptions. I do build a lists. I very rarely sell anything via direct marketing from my websites. My websites are pre-sale vehicles where I inform and, by dint of established trust, capture people's contact information.

        Sales are achieved via autoresponder sequence emails.

        But, at some point, my list is directed to the Clickbank marketer's sales page, and if it is contrived to leak them off to his/her sales funnel, all my pre-selling is for naught!
        If you agree that selling via autoresponder is the best way to sell, then why can't vendors do it? If they have an optin on their salespage and you don't like it, don't send them traffic. Yes it's B.S. the way that vendor included his own affiliate link in his follow-ups. I am a CB vendor and doing this would ruin my best affiliates. I don't know why vendors do it. Sure you can make more money short term but you will lose super-affiliates that send you the bulk of traffic and sales, because it's the super-affiliates that check this stuff.

        But I don't blame you for complaining about it, it would make me crazy too if I spent time building campaign and driving traffic to an offer only to find out they changed their process to screw me. If there wasn't another product to promote, I would just make my own

        Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

        I disagree. They can funnel their own direct traffic to whatever sales pages they wish, but surely, when they put the product on Clickbank, for Clickbank affiliates to promote, those affiliates must surely be "entitled" to a just reward for their efforts, and often, expenditure.
        See what I said above. They can do this, and aren't breaking any TOS. Just don't promote them. Or better yet, come out with competing product and become a vendor yourself like I already said
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Underhandedness? Cheating? Tricks? Stealing? Not necessarily. Welcome to the real world.

      Visit most ecommerce sites and you will see an option to get on the merchant's mailing list.

      The purpose of the mailing list? To promote the merchant's products. Obviously.

      Do affiliates get commissions for merchant email promotions? Generally no.

      Isn't building a list something mentioned over and over?

      I don't recall affiliates being "entitled" to a "leak proof" sales page.

      Especially with ClickBank. Are you kidding? The king marketplace of buyers substituting their own affiliate links, or getting refunds just because they want something for free.

      Maybe online merchants should not be allowed to offer sales by phone? Or in a physical store? Those sneaky, underhanded thieves!
      Should they be allowed to sell by phone? Yes, if they get the leads themselves. Should they sell by store? Of course. How would that affect affiliates?

      Should they be able to steal commissions of affiliates who send traffic to them? Of course not.

      MYOB has a great solution to the problem. Eliminate their sales pages from your campaign. I have a great solution too. Don't promote vendors who use these tactics. Let them get their own sales.
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      • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
        UPDATE:

        As I mentioned above, I opened a ticket to bring this to Clickbank's attention. I have just received a "response" from them, saying absolutely nothing, but the ticket is now marked as Closed.

        I suppose that actually says everything...
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        • Profile picture of the author bretski
          Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

          UPDATE:

          As I mentioned above, I opened a ticket to bring this to Clickbank's attention. I have just received a "response" from them, saying absolutely nothing, but the ticket is now marked as Closed.

          I suppose that actually says everything...
          Was there anything in their response? I mean, a "durp" or "gleep" or some sort of incoherrent ramblings or psychobabble?
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          • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
            Originally Posted by bretski View Post

            Was there anything in their response? I mean, a "durp" or "gleep" or some sort of incoherrent ramblings or psychobabble?
            Nothing, nada, zilch
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            • Profile picture of the author bretski
              Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

              Nothing, nada, zilch
              Sorry... that's kinda funny! I wish I could do that at work!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

    I am finding it increasingly difficult to work with marketers who offer their products through Clickbank.

    More and more Clickbank products are now building "leaks" into their sales pages. I found one yesterday which fitted all my criteria except where they offered a teaser of three free videos. Of course, anyone interested in this offer, was first required to sign up with their email address.

    I quickly set up an affiliate link to the product and using a throw-away email address, duly signed up for the free offer.

    This morning, I checked and, as expected, there was an email from the marketer, pushing his product, with several 'buy now' links.

    When I clicked, they went straight to a payment page with his affiliate link at the bottom.

    This underhandedness is also creeping into products I've been promoting for a while. I now check each one weekly, and on a couple of occasions I've stopped promoting products because of newly implemented leaks which out and out steal my commissions.

    Just one marketer apologized and provided me with my own leak-free page. Others have either told me to live with because a certain percentage of visitors will still buy directly, or not even bothered to reply when I've emailed them.
    This is really bad - as a Clickbank vendor myself I have never understood this.

    As MOST people new to Clickbank do not understand how gravity works - as a vendor I always go for the more the better in terms of getting your product seen.

    So if I have a good affiliate that makes xxx sales a week why would I not want them to do that?

    In fact when I promote my products on the web I always just use a direct link and this helps affiliates because if they send traffic afterwards they get commission.

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    No affiliates = Less Sales.

    If a page leaks, simply don't sell the product. Don't hesitate to contact the vendor and tell him that. I agree that such practices are very shady since for the Affiliate its not always obvious where his link goes.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    I've noticed this as well over the past couple years.. I even posted about it 2 years ago

    I actually prefer a sales page that tries to get opt-ins - they sell a lot more product.

    But I always opt-in myself before promoting, to make sure that not only do they not use their aff. link in their follow-ups, but that I am cool with their other promotional activities. Every now and then, I will find a good one that not only leaves your aff id intact, but appends it to all of their promotionals emails for their other products!

    Take-away: ALWAYS opt-in to the vendors list to make sure that you are cool with their follow-ups, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by jasonl70 View Post

      I've noticed this as well over the past couple years.. I even posted about it 2 years ago

      I actually prefer a sales page that tries to get opt-ins - they sell a lot more product.

      But I always opt-in myself before promoting, to make sure that not only do they not use their aff. link in their follow-ups, but that I am cool with their other promotional activities. Every now and then, I will find a good one that not only leaves your aff id intact, but appends it to all of their promotionals emails for their other products!

      Take-away: ALWAYS opt-in to the vendors list to make sure that you are cool with their follow-ups, etc.
      I agree with Jason. If you can find a vendor that doesn't over-write the clickbank cookie when sending out their follow-up emails, then the conversion rate for promoting that product is much higher.

      I know that some people just don't bother with it if they see the opt-in, but if you do the leg work and find a good one, then it's well worth the work you put into it doing the back-ground check.

      And by the way - Affiliates are not stupid. Especially the ones that push a lot of products. Vendors that use these shady sales tactics are only preventing themselves from realizing what a good affiliate could do for them.

      Most of the time when these shady tactics are used, Clickbank doesn't even need to get involved. These kind of tactics usually lead to the product not being able to sustain a profitability. - Vendor Darwinism at it's finest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

    When I clicked, they went straight to a payment page with his affiliate link at the bottom.
    If there was another affiliate link there, it probably wasn't the merchant, since, AFAIK, you can't be an affiliate for your own product (nor would you want to be; there's no point...unless, of course, he was using another CB account (with a different ID) as an affiliate in an attempt to boost his gravity).

    Either way, the sad/funny(?) thing is that it's REALLY easy to set a page up so that you can have fancy-schmancy list building stuff (or anything whatsoever) appear to all visitors EXCEPT those referred by a Clickbank affiliate.

    It needs 2 or 3 lines of PHP per instance... at most.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Sinopoli
    I have been moving away from Clickbank for over a year because of stuff mentioned here. I think you are better off making your own product and not having to worry about people who are less then honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ti
    There is a super easy way to address this: Contact every single Affiliate of the offending Vendor. Send them emails telling them the Vendor is stealing $$ from those Affiliates. Make sure to provide them proof. Create a Youtube video of your test that shows how the Affiliates are losing $$ due to the dishonest Vendor.

    Watch how fast those Affiliates stop promoting that product.

    Watch how fast the Vendor starts losing cash.

    Offer to sell the Youtube video rights to the vendor for big cash (Before you cry about this, it is perfectly legal and moral to sell material that details your negative feedback. It is not extortion, it is not blackmail. It is perfectly legit).

    End result: Vendor pays for being dishonest.

    Super End result: If people start doing this over and over, the industry will self correct, and Vendors will be scared to piss off their Affiliates and will choose to do the right thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
    2 of the products I promote on ClickBank have this "leaky" sales page and they both convert reasonably well.

    The first directs people to an opt-in page and one of the 1st few auto responder messages urges them to call an 1800 number where they can buy the product over the phone.

    The 2nd product's optin promotes a CPA offer on a dieting product (physical - not done through Clickbank) and then another eBook by the author on another site altogether.

    I still promote them both because just about every 100 hops nets me a new sale. I've thought about bypassing the opt-in and seeing if my conversions increase or not but I'm really lazy and have too much going on to screw up a good thing.

    Also - these are just 2 products. The rest of the products I promote on CB aren't leaky at all. I guess I'm just in friendly niches. It's the same products I've been promoting for a long time and the sales pages get tweaked but nothing that could rob me of my affiliate checks.

    Is this all happening in IM/Forex/Biz Opp niches? Those niches royally suck and are too much of a headache IMO.

    I spend way too much time browsing through the CB marketplace (I know, need to get a life) and only see this sort of stuff every now and then. But then again, I tend to always avoid IM/Forex/BizOpp stuff.


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  • Profile picture of the author stevenjacobs
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    I another way Clickbank people still sell , is by doing a pop up box that has the product for cheaper price when exiting site, also known as down sell
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      Originally Posted by stevenjacobs View Post

      I another way Clickbank people still sell , is by doing a pop up box that has the product for cheaper price when exiting site, also known as down sell
      Correct. This is yet another prevalent tactic. I found one a while back with three exit popups, each one reducing the price over the last.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

        This is yet another prevalent tactic. I found one a while back with three exit popups, each one reducing the price over the last.
        It's bizarre.

        It took me a long time to understand what's going on with those vendors. But eventually - after discussing it with a few of them - I came to accept that their "logic" (for want of a better word!) is that if customers were leaving the sales page without buying the product and could be induced to buy it with a big discount, the vendor was getting something "extra" that way! This is honestly what they think: someone won't pay the $37/$47, so it's better to sell it to them for $17 than to "lose" them. And if they put up those pop-ups on their sites and people do that, and buy it for $17, then they think they've tested it and it "works" and they've made something "extra"!!

        I know it sounds weird, but there really are vendors whose thinking about it goes no deeper than that. Presumably they simply don't realise that very few people buy at their first visit to a sales-page anyway, and that the one thing that isn't ever happening is a sale at $37/$47 once someone's seen the $17 (or sometimes $7!) price on the exit pop-up. And presumably it just doesn't occur to them how many potential customers intensely dislike the fact that, as they now see it, "the real price is $17/$7 and this site was trying to dupe me into buying it for $47 first" and they'll never go back at all.

        From the people I've spoken to (including a few whose sales pages I've written or contributed to, myself) the vendors who split-test this stuff properly - allowing for traffic loss, and monitoring and comparing sales from the same traffic-sources over a decent time-period - are, of course, the ones who abandon them, typically in great surprise at how much net income they lose.

        But like so much other nonsense seen on sales pages, many vendors and even some people "pretending to be copywriters" will use it without proper testing on the grounds that "it 'must' work otherwise so many people wouldn't be using it" ...

        Anyway, they're obviously vendors to keep well away from!
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    I must admit that i don't do CB that often so this comes as news to me.
    Judging by the response CB gave the OP they don't seem to care very much
    when it comes to vendor's ripping off their affiliates.
    So, why not publish a list with all the vendor's who are guilty of stealing
    commissions?

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  • Profile picture of the author JaySaldivar
    That really sucks and that is the reason many CB marketers don't push offers with optin boxes. I think the vendor thinks he or she is clever and I understand why they do it. Because that way they make more money but most importantly they can push gravity up to be higher on the Clickbank directory.

    I've seen this in many occasions, I also did what the OP did by throwing an email address to see what they do but most importantly if they respect my affiliate link. My advice is to check this soon and don't regret later when you are sending profitable traffic and not making as much sales and profits as you should been.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post


      And by the way - Affiliates are not stupid. Especially the ones that push a lot of products. Vendors that use these shady sales tactics are only preventing themselves from realizing what a good affiliate could do for them.
      good point.. by doing this they are turning off the very affiliates they'd want - the experienced ones!
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      • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
        Originally Posted by jasonl70 View Post

        good point.. by doing this they are turning off the very affiliates they'd want - the experienced ones!
        Exactly my point too. I test every product I'm interested in on Clickbank and walk away from them whenever they fall short. I'm simply NOT prepared to waste my time, energy and skills attracting potential clients to someone else's mailing list.

        And as I said in my initial post at the start of this thread, I'm especially vigilant with products I'm already promoting too, because I've caught merchants sneaking in changes to leak away traffic several times.
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    This angers me. I'm still relatively new to this game. I can't believe how crooked people can be.

    I'm tempted to hire someone to go through every product in the weight loss niche and give me a list of all the offenders (if there are any).

    There should be a sticky thread wall of shame somewhere on this forum. If CB don't care to police this (and I'm not blaming them), then we should warn people ourselves.

    If you know of someone doing this, your silence makes you a contributor to the problem.

    Speak up. Tell people who they are. You'll make more money in the end when they start losing sales and are forced to clean up their links.
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  • Profile picture of the author kennykjtan
    I've discovered a lot of CB vendor playing this game. That is why I don't send any visitor to their sales page. If possible I will not want to use CB. I've found some vendor only interested to grab the clients' email and then sales is done through mailing and also some only interested to get the clients to click on adsense.
    Actually you can easily create a sales page and check out from your sales page.
    Hope this help
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Barrs
    Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

    When I clicked, they went straight to a payment page with his affiliate link at the bottom.
    Am I allowed to say scumbag on the warrior forum? These people should be named and shamed. It's a deliberate attempt to screw affiliates.

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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by Paul Barrs View Post

      Am I allowed to say scumbag on the warrior forum? These people should be named and shamed. It's a deliberate attempt to screw affiliates.

      Paul
      Basically what i said earlier.
      I agree with Paul 100% Name and Shame, I am even willing to setup a page where affiliates can Name these "scumbags" (with proof).

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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    Just because a couple of people have already mentioned this, the Blake board has a 'name and shame' forum, at

    "Name And Shame" Forum

    That might be a good place to get a list going of vendors who do this. Just doing it in a forum lets anyone add any vendor they happen to run across. I can add an interesting trick I've noticed, but it is a bit different from this topic.

    Have to hand it to Tony Blake for something like that. That forum has been up for years.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    This morning, I checked and, as expected, there was an email from the marketer, pushing his product, with several 'buy now' links.

    When I clicked, they went straight to a payment page with his affiliate link at the bottom.
    Another take away I got from your post Anne is that we marketers, as business people, cannot get complacent. Either we or someone on our team should be double-checking all links, payment buttons, check up on products we're promoting, etc.

    I caught one of my affiliates selling one of my 400 page ebooks as his own recently. Well, the first thing I do in cases like this is to contact them via e-mail (by phone if I have their phone number) and state the facts without getting emotional or angry. In a nutshell, I advised him to cease and desist or that there would be legal action. He stopped, of course, but now my affiliate manager has to monitor this person.

    He's no longer an affiliate of mine and has been black listed from doing business with us again. But there just doesn't seem to be end to these kind of tactics. It makes it very difficult to trust people.

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  • Profile picture of the author TrafficBot
    If you are promoting "Instant Passive Profits" you will never see a dime in commissions. This vendor is currently redirecting all affiliare links to his affiliate link for Copy Paste Systems. The problem occurrs when the vendor also sells other affiliate products. What I recommend is that you periodically check your affiliate links to make sure they are not being redirected to other products. That is a sure sign the vendor is over-writing your cookie. As for opt-in pages, if the vendor is trustworthy, he will not over=write your cookie in his autoresponder series but help you to close the sale because CB cookies are good for 60 days. The only thing to do is to check his autoresponder series by signing up to make sure your cookie remains intact. In my opinion if the customer doesnt buy from you affiliate link within a week or 2 they will probably never buy the product
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

    Just one marketer apologized and provided me with my own leak-free page. Others have either told me to live with [it] because a certain percentage of visitors will still buy directly, or not even bothered to reply when I've emailed them.
    Brilliant! A simple, yet effective way to get rid of those pesky affiliates!
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  • Profile picture of the author 4Frankie
    Quite a while back one of my IM campaigns with CB, I would put in my affiliate link and check it every thing was right. Two or three days later went to check it for no reason at all and found it had snipr page or something similar and no affiliate link at the bottom, so I fixed it up. Three days later the same thing happened to my 2 links again.
    Probably being green asked CB support and they were very helpful and they fixed the matter.
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