Using ClickBank for a WSO Anyone Done it

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Any reason why SOME product developers would not use Clickbank as the payment processor for a WSO ?

They accept Paypal (so no chance of being Limited during a WSO)

Affiliates can Still promote it using the hop link

What am I missing here as to why more don't use it I realize for a $7 product might not work but for the higher priced ones seems like a headache free option as long as you dont mind waiting for your check

Thoughts Pro's Cons

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  • Profile picture of the author webapex
    You are supposed to price a WSO at a lower price than versions of the product selling anywhere else, seems some conflict could not be avoided. Often after testing a WSOs, successful products get turned into more comprehensive, higher priced products before being distributed more broadly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    I have actually done this in the past and made another special WSO item in Clickbank and then done this.

    However you get a lot of affiliate sales coming in.

    I agree though a good idea if you have the product set up on Clickbank, normally I launch a WSO and do it the other way around and then release on Clickbank.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Interesting ... I can see that the "avoiding PayPal while still allowing customers to pay by PayPal" element might be a huge advantage.

      But how can it comply with the rule that the WSO price has to be lower than the price offered elsewhere?

      In what sense is it a "special offer" if it's available on ClickBank at the same price?

      3. A Warrior Special Offer Means The Price You Give Must Be Better Than The Price The Public At Large Can Get. (This is not a "buy my product" forum, it is a "Special Offer" forum)
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      • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Interesting ... I can see that the "avoiding PayPal while still allowing customers to pay by PayPal" element might be a huge advantage.

        But how can it comply with the rule that the WSO price has to be lower than the price offered elsewhere?

        In what sense is it a "special offer" if it's available on ClickBank at the same price?

        Well Alexa I am planning a real jam packed WSO and I was thinking of doing it on Clickbank rather than even taking the chance with Paypal, I have never had an issue with Paypal but it would be my luck it would happen in the middle of a WSO, so I would rather not take that chance.

        I use Membergate for my Membership site and I can easily set up a seperate package for the WSO and of course it would be at a DRASTICALLY cheaper rate than what I will be offering the same package on Clickbank so it would comply and its easy to do

        I just set up another member package specifically priced for the WSO plus it would be a Very Limited one anyway so Im thinking 14 Days ONLY then closed for good for REAL lol.

        I think it would run seamlessly looking at it and I'm suprised more don't use that option unless their is something I'm missing

        Chris I guess your reffering to lots of purchasers signing up under their own links, but as for lots of Affiliate sales I'm happy to pay Affiliates

        Other than that Chris any other Pros Cons since you have done it ?

        Interesting to see if any negatives show up on this thread.

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by GazCooperOnline View Post

          I use Membergate for my Membership site and I can easily set up a seperate package for the WSO and of course it would be at a DRASTICALLY cheaper rate than what I will be offering the same package on Clickbank so it would comply and its easy to do
          Ah yes; I see. Well, this sounds ideal, doesn't it?

          Well, "ideal" apart from ClickBank's charges, obviously, but clearly those are miles better than getting your PayPal account limited/frozen right after you start, which is exactly when it might happen!

          I haven't done a WSO. I confess, if ever doing one, I'd be extremely nervous about this. Especially since at the moment "buying stuff" is almost all I use my PayPal account for: 90+% of my income comes from ClickBank each month, and very little of the rest through PayPal anyway. :rolleyes:

          Good luck, and good wishes, Gaz ...
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          • Profile picture of the author tjm2788
            Gaz,

            Did you manage to get this to work correctly?

            I have a product already listed on clickbank and I am thinking about listing as a WSO the only bit I can't work out is how would you list it for a cheaper price so it complys with the rules?

            Would you need to add it as a seperate product (paying the clickbank fee again?) because as far as I know there is not a way of adding different pricing on a product once listed?

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            • Profile picture of the author Thomas
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              But how can it comply with the rule that the WSO price has to be lower than the price offered elsewhere?

              In what sense is it a "special offer" if it's available on ClickBank at the same price?
              It can be done quite easily. Simply using Clickbank as a payment processors doesn't mean it's automatically available elsewhere (unless you make it so). As a vendor, you could add your WSO product to Clickbank and make it (the order link) available only via your WSO. It doesn't have to appear in the CB Marketplace (and, actually, won't appear there anyway if you have another product already there under the same account; and even if you don't, there are no automatic listings - you have to tell Clickbank you want X product listed under Y category anyway).

              Originally Posted by tjm2788 View Post

              I have a product already listed on clickbank and I am thinking about listing as a WSO the only bit I can't work out is how would you list it for a cheaper price so it complys with the rules?

              Would you need to add it as a seperate product (paying the clickbank fee again?) because as far as I know there is not a way of adding different pricing on a product once listed?
              You don't have to pay again, etc.

              Just log into your Clickbank account. Then go to Account Settings > My Products.

              Besides each product (under the "Actions" heading), you'll see an icon that says (when you hover over it): "Duplicate this product".

              When you click that, it'll do exactly what it says - duplicate the product, and you can then change the price. The order link will be the same as the original product, but with the item number changed to correspond to the duplicated product. (I recommend you don't go in sequence with your cheaper version; there are plenty of people who will enter an altered order link to see if you've done exactly that. Instead, if, for example, your original product was item #1, then make your cheaper duplicate #37.)

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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

                As a vendor, you could add your WSO product to Clickbank and make it (the order link) available only via your WSO. It doesn't have to appear in the CB Marketplace
                Thank you, Tommy: this is indeed a perfect answer to the question, and one that hadn't occurred to me. I was thinking that by definition, the product is "elsewhere at the same price" simply by being listed on ClickBank, but as you rightly say, this isn't necessarily so. Interesting point.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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    John Thornhill is selling a WSO at the moment which will show you exactly how to launch a WSO using clickbank. It's pretty good, you should get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MattBrighton
    Obviously the idea of a WSO is a special offer thats cheaper than the market. If your doing it via clickbank then the offer isn't special for the warrior forum which is why It might cause a bit of a problem. As far as a payment processor goes though - I guess theres no reason against it - But when people have other options like wso pro and ejunkie available they prefer to go for them!
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    I ran WSOs using Payspree on a dimesale. I set up 2 "products" in there for the same item, one on a dimesale for the WSO capping below the retail price and one at the retail price for the salespage.

    As for Clickbank, wouldn't everybody on here just buy through their own affiliate link so you would lose out?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

      As for Clickbank, wouldn't everybody on here just buy through their own affiliate link so you would lose out?
      You don't have to accept affiliates, to use ClickBank.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
        I've done several WSO's in the past using CB as the payment processor. As Thomas pointed out, you can easily have multiple different prices for each product. Offer the lower priced option to your WSO buyers, and don't list it in the CB marketplace. Another alternative would be to make the product the same price for everyone, but offer some type of bonus only available to your WSO buyers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Jolin
      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

      As for Clickbank, wouldn't everybody on here just buy through their own affiliate link so you would lose out?
      This is what has kept me from launching WSO's linked with Clickbank.

      I created CBpaylink.com so we can run WSO's through our clickbank vendor accounts. It has an affiliate approval system and cloaks your affiliate and buy links so people will not see what 'actual' cb vendor account was used for the buy button. It also uses the hoplink cloaker from CB to encrypt the incoming affiliate links.

      You can keep your main offer live and at the higher price, then create sub products in Clickbank and set cbpaylink to those. It will re-direct all affiliate links that have permission to promote your WSO.

      Link is in my sig, if any in here is interested - I'll get you full access, just shoot me a PM.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph G Spiteri
        Hi Gas as you explained how you would do it without violating a WSO i can't see why that wouldn't work.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Thornhill
      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post


      As for Clickbank, wouldn't everybody on here just buy through their own affiliate link so you would lose out?
      Surprisingly, I have found that this is extremely rare.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
    When I launch WSOs, it's not to make money; it's to see if the market enjoys and benefits from the product. It's also to gain testimonials and advice. Then, if the product is worthy, I would launch it full scale and make real money there -- which is via Clickbank.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Thornhill
    I have listed many WSO's using ClickBank and it's really quite simple to do. Just duplicate your product and make it a lower price. The problem comes when you want to get affiliates on board as your hoplink will only go to your main product.

    To combat this problem I created a piece of software along with Dave Nicholson that enables you to have affiliates promote any of your ClickBank products.

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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Obviously the laxed refund policy is one reason I would be against using Clickbank. When people don't have to deal with the vendor directly it becomes a much easier and less intimidating process to obtain a refund.

    I find it funny that a few (in the whole scheme of things) Paypal horror stories from a very small number of vendors have made the average person too afraid to use Paypal. Think about the zillions of other people out there who have never had a problem.

    In most cases you will find very valid reasons as to why a persons account was limited.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Thornhill
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Obviously the laxed refund policy is one reason I would be against using Clickbank. When people don't have to deal with the vendor directly it becomes a much easier and less intimidating process to obtain a refund.

      I find it funny that a few (in the whole scheme of things) Paypal horror stories from a very small number of vendors have made the average person too afraid to use Paypal. Think about the zillions of other people out there who have never had a problem.

      In most cases you will find very valid reasons as to why a persons account was limited.
      IMO the fact it's so easy to refund via ClickBank means the customer is more confident when they purchase and this leads to more sales. My ClickBank refund rates are below 2% across the board, if you deliver a quality product refunds will never be an issue.

      I can understand what you're saying about the PayPal horror story numbers being small and I do agree most people will never have an issue but it's still an issue. Have a listen to the "Anthony Aires PayPal call" (Google) as that talks about PayPal specifically talking about the Warrior Forum and WSO's.

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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by John Thornhill View Post

        IMO the fact it's so easy to refund via ClickBank means the customer is more confident when they purchase and this leads to more sales. My ClickBank refund rates are below 2% across the board, if you deliver a quality product refunds will never be an issue.
        Yes, obviously having a good quality product is key and as I say, I haven't actually used them myself it was just speculation. Great you had a low refund rate with them.

        Originally Posted by John Thornhill View Post

        Have a listen to the "Anthony Aires PayPal call" (Google) as that talks about PayPal specifically talking about the Warrior Forum and WSO's.
        I guess that's why it's getting more and more important to run your offers off of the forum. Host the product on your own website and just use the WSO forum to send traffic to the special offer on your own domain. That way they have no idea the product is on the Warrior Forum - well it technically isn't. This is what I will be doing for any of my future offerings.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Thornhill
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          I guess that's why it's getting more and more important to run your offers off of the forum. Host the product on your own website and just use the WSO forum to send traffic to the special offer on your own domain. That way they have no idea the product is on the Warrior Forum - well it technically isn't. This is what I will be doing for any of my future offerings.
          At the moment you have to have the WSO Pro buy button in your thread. It would be great if it was possible to take the buyer away from the Warrior Forum before a buy button is clicked. It's a feature I requested and if it ever happens I would be more confident when I use WSO Pro.

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          • Profile picture of the author WillR
            Originally Posted by John Thornhill View Post

            At the moment you have to have the WSO Pro buy button in your thread. It would be great if it was possible to take the buyer away from the Warrior Forum before a buy button is clicked. It's a feature I requested and if it ever happens I would be more confident when I use WSO Pro.

            John
            The other thing we need to keep in mind is that a lot of these guys getting their accounts shut down are the same guys sending out offer after offer after offer (promoting affiliate WSO products). I know Anthony pushes a lot of products to his list.

            As you probably know, when you promote a product on Warrior Plus, any sale you make appears to Paypal as though it is your own product. So if they then go to the product page for that sale, even though it is not your sales page, paypal thinks it is. So not only do you need to be careful about your own products but also the sales copy and claims of the affiliate products you are promoting.

            This is what a lot of these people fail to understand. They think Paypal are having a go at their own product when in fact they could be banning you because of a stupid product you promoted... and the more products you promote the higher your risk. A lot of these guys are promoting a new product every day of the week so you can imagine the increased risk they pose to Paypal.
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            • Profile picture of the author John Thornhill
              Originally Posted by WillR View Post

              The other thing we need to keep in mind is that a lot of these guys getting their accounts shut down are the same guys sending out offer after offer after offer (promoting affiliate WSO products). I know Anthony pushes a lot of products to his list.

              As you probably know, when you promote a product on Warrior Plus, any sale you make appears to Paypal as though it is your own product. So if they then go to the product page for that sale, even though it is not your sales page, paypal thinks it is. So not only do you need to be careful about your own products but also the sales copy and claims of the affiliate products you are promoting.

              This is what a lot of these people fail to understand. They think Paypal are having a go at their own product when in fact they could be banning you because of a stupid product you promoted... and the more products you promote the higher your risk. A lot of these guys are promoting a new product every day of the week so you can imagine the increased risk they pose to Paypal.
              Yes, I agree promoting WSO's via Warrior Plus is just as dangerous. This is why I wont do it. It's a shame as there are some WSO's I'd love to promote but I just can't bring myself to do it.
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              • Profile picture of the author WillR
                Originally Posted by John Thornhill View Post

                I wasn't aware there was a way to do it, I was told you had to have at least 1 order button in the WSO, care to share :-)

                And yes, I agree promoting WSO's via Warrior Plus is just as dangerous. This is why I wont do it. It's a shame as there are some WSO's I'd love to promote but I just can't bring myself to do it.
                John,

                I just listened to Anthony's call and I must admit I did like the way he handled himself BUT was amazed at how quick he was to throw Mike Lantz under the bus.
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        • Profile picture of the author GlenH
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post


          I guess that's why it's getting more and more important to run your offers off of the forum. Host the product on your own website and just use the WSO forum to send traffic to the special offer on your own domain. That way they have no idea the product is on the Warrior Forum - well it technically isn't. This is what I will be doing for any of my future offerings.
          I know this one is long while ago... but did you ever do any WSO's the way described above..ie. just postings brief details of your product as a WSO and then linking back to your main site and handling the payment etc. from there?
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