Did I Just Get Scammed $2,300 Through PayPal?

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Hey Warriors!

I'm in a situation with PayPal and a business partner who I just found out was completely suicidal or bi-polar. We had a mutual agreement where he would order the products and ship them while I managed customer support and the websites.

Well here's what happened, we used my PayPal to receive all the orders, everything was going fine. So, a few weeks went by and we needed to re-stock. As our business was just starting out, we made around 2,300 net so I sent him all the money to his PayPal for the costs of the products and for shipping.

After I sent the money I'm sure he withdraw all the money into his bank and blocked me and avoided all communication, stopped answering all phone calls etc.

So I had no money, and expecting tons of disputes through PayPal. I talked to one of my close friends with some what this type of experience and he requested that I file a unauthorized transaction(s) for the 2,300$. Which I did, around 2 days ago. I'm not sure if I should have filed a dispute instead but It seems that an unauthorized transaction would lead me to a higher chance of getting my money and surviving this unfortunate scam..

It is a pretty large amount, does anyone have any experience with this and can tell me what I should expect?

Will PayPal try to contact me? The guy isn't responding to the dispute because I think he is fairly inexperienced with handling PayPal as his account is a brand new business account.

Would appreciate some thoughts, feedback or any input in the situation.

Kind Regards,
Kendra
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I'm not sure I understand this correctly. You used your paypal for orders but trusted that someone else would be shipping the orders? YOU drew out the money and gave it all to him?

    What is your complaint going to be? You gave him the money. You can't tell him what to do with it once he has it. You can file suit against him for a business scam if you signed papers. But if you were taking orders - you are the one responsible for them getting delivered unless you have on paper that soneone else is responsible. And if YOU gave him the money - you don't have any standing whatsoever about what he does with it. Your only recourse depends on what the agreement you signed says -- and I would hope that you would have signed an agreement before getting yourself in a position like this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kendra Kiwi
      Alright, I don't know the guy, I've never met him. We both had an idea and decided to implement it as a joint venture.

      Yes, It was a stupid mistake and one I learned from. I sent him the money so he could order and ship the shirts but instead he withdraw all the money into his bank account and I'm standing here with 0$ and $2,300 in orders that people expect to receive. Which is why my friend told me to file an unauthorized transaction.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Kendra Kiwi View Post

        Which is why my friend told me to file an unauthorized transaction.

        Filing an unauthorized transaction will more likely push the claim in your benefit, but the problem is that doing so is dishonest and the fact that you are openly discussing this matter in public assures that this was not an unauthorized claim.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Kendra Kiwi View Post

        I sent him the money so he could order and ship the shirts.

        p.s. If the orders were for shirts, I know someone who might be able to help you connect with real suppliers to help you fill the orders.

        Your losses will be less if you fill the orders for the customers, than if you try to refund all of the money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Digital Traffic
    I would have already been on the phone with Paypal, time is not on your side.

    What country are each of you both from?

    What type of shirts? Are they shirts you can get wholesale yourself?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      It's not an unauthorized transaction because you did, in fact, authorize the transaction. You may have shot yourself in the foot by listening to your friend's bad advice.

      If I were you, I would call PayPal and explain that you made a mistake and ask them what to do next.

      Your only recourse, I believe, would be to file a chargeback with your credit card company if you funded with a credit card. If not, I'm afraid this may be quite an expensive lesson for you on the value of knowing your partner and getting contracts signed.

      How long have you not heard from this partner? And how would you possibly know whether or not he withdrew anything to or from his bank account?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Well here's what happened, we used my PayPal to receive all the orders, everything was going fine. So, a few weeks went by and we needed to re-stock.
        If you were "re-stocking" - who paid for the first stock ordered? Was there an investment initially?

        Your friend's advice could add to your problems - how do you tell paypal you took payment for orders but have no confirmation of shipping to show them?

        You are assuming the other person is bi-polar, suicidal or inexperienced. That's the type of thinking that can lead you to trust someone, not question what's going on. Think about that - he has the money and you are the one at risk. You got played.

        I hope paypal can help but don't know if that is realistic. Make plans to cover refunds if you have to do it. Meanwhile, do some digging online and see what you can turn up about your "partner" and his activities.

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Yeah, unfortunately that is a common scam.

    Since the transactions were processed through your account, you are responsible to the customers to send the product or refund their money.

    And your silent partner just got all of your money, and you can file a dispute on the basis that you paid for product he did not deliver, but chances are that he is gone with your money.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Ah Jeez - you got scammed hard. Sorry. Yes - contact paypal and explain the situation. If you don't have papers, there might not be a thing they can do about it - but you might be able to get a chargeback, in which case you might be able to get the money back - but will have to complete the orders yourself. Chances are that was an account he set up knowing he was going to blow it off later - he might have hit some other people, too. Hopefully he did because it will help your story out a lot.

    If there was money taken for shipping - this is mail fraud, so you better get down to the post office and tell them what is going on, too - then see your local DA (district attorney) and see what he can do for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author coluden
    Gosh! So sorry to hear about your loss. I think you should come up with a plan to save what is left of your reputation. If you can see your way to borrow some money to at least, pay other people what you owe them, that may be all that you can salvage from this sorry situation. If you are able to locate the person in his hometown you may be able to bring pressure to bear, but that is a long shot. I guess this is another reason to do a good background check.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kendra Kiwi
      Thanks for all the replies guys.

      I know it was a dishonest move I made through PayPal. It's just all I could do really. I know what I did and it may escalate to a web of lies which I will obviously just use my instinct and go with the flow and try to retrieve my money even as it's going to take some heart to go against my beliefs and try to be honest towards the situation.

      I already feel discouraged to continue the business, although I do control the sites, and their are still orders being made daily.. I just don't know what to do with this delay in shipping, buyers being furious and confused with their orders, the reputation being shot, the site had so much potential, now I think my only option is to sell it, for someone else to take over. It's been a month only and we were growing, and it's so unfortunate it ended up like this.

      I just wish I had the money to refund all the buyers, I feel so terribly sad about this all.
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      • Profile picture of the author Newman8r
        you could try to trick the guy, tell him that you got a huge order and you need him to fill it ASAP but that you need to figure out the situation before you send him any more money
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  • Profile picture of the author Digital Traffic
    Seems to me that if all this took place in only 30 days and you have brought in $2,300, and already have more sales since then, that within the next 30 days you should be able to produce enough sales to cover the first $2,300 and at least break even.

    How have the buyers become furious and confused already? If this just happened, surely they all can't know already?

    With a few phone calls and the money you have coming in now, you should be able to turn this around within a week or two at most.

    So...What country are both parties from? What type of shirts? Have you called Paypal in person?
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Digital Traffic View Post

      Seems to me that if all this took place in only 30 days and you have brought in $2,300, and already have more sales since then, that within the next 30 days you should be able to produce enough sales to cover the first $2,300 and at least break even.

      Agree.

      This problem is something that can be overcome, for any person committed to seeing it through.

      My concern is that you started this as a business, and yet at the first bump in the road, you are willing to throw in the towel.

      Maybe getting a job is the best option for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author geego
        I am really sorry to hear of your plight. That was a very dishonest person. I agree with HeySal's views and i suggest that in the future in going into partnership should you again choose to do so, then you first seek proper legal advise
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  • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
    Look at it this way, your partner just hightailed on a biz that makes $2300 nett profit that is now all yours to keep.

    I am sure somehow you can make back that $2.3k. Once you made that money, whatcer you make after that is all yours to keep without you having to share with anyone.:-)

    In a business, every entrepreneur will go through a setback. Look at it in a positive light and try to make best of the situation. You have been dealt the card, you gotta make it work :-)

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Suthan M View Post

      Look at it this way, your partner just hightailed on a biz that makes $2300 nett profit that is now all yours to keep.

      I am sure somehow you can make back that $2.3k. Once you made that money, whatcer you make after that is all yours to keep without you having to share with anyone.:-)

      If you were marking up the product double what your costs were, then you can make good with everyone in 30 days.

      If you quit, then you have to figure out where to get the $2300 to do the refunds.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlphaWarrior
    You sent (authorized) your "partner" $2,300 who then stole it from you. Now you want to claim that it was unauthorized (a lie) and that PayPal should somehow get the money back for you. Grow up! It is not PayPal's fault that you did something stupid. Accept the responsibility and learn from the expensive experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I wouldn't throw in the towel just yet. Like others said, use current income to ship the older items and hopefully Paypal will resolve in your favor. Cease doing business with the so called partner ... that's a no brainer ... and operate the business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kendra Kiwi
      Okay, well I guess you guys are right. It's just been tough, first scammed, now all this stress. Buyers complaining about orders, wanting proof for tracking ID's, not being able to refund or compensate them in any way. I've already dispatched an email explaining the situation trying to be honest about everything.

      I'll try and battle it out, and continue accepting orders but still I now have no provider for the t-shirts or the knowledge to ship them. I'm going to continue accepting orders, and well initially my partner was in charge of the designs but now I feel that since I have them all I don't really need him and I guess this may be a good thing. I'm just trying to keep a positive mind frame right now, so I need to get the following sorted:

      1) First, explain to all the buyers what happened. Going with honesty on this one, thanks Warriors.

      2) Find a t-shirt provider, and find out how to ship them out.

      3) Resolve the PayPal dispute, either I win or lose. Thanks to the above posts, for encouraging me to continue.

      So now I just need to find a t-shirt provider and figure out how to ship the items. Can anyone recommend or point me in the right direction? I would highly appreciate it.

      Regards,
      Kendra
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Kendra Kiwi View Post

        So now I just need to find a t-shirt provider and figure out how to ship the items. Can anyone recommend or point me in the right direction? I would highly appreciate it.

        Regards,
        Kendra

        Are you in the U.S., Australia or somewhere else?

        And are your customers in U.S. or ??

        Were the t-shirts sold specialty t-shirts or what?

        In an absence of information, no one can help you directly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Patrick Pretty
        Originally Posted by Kendra Kiwi View Post

        I'll try and battle it out, and continue accepting orders but still I now have no provider for the t-shirts or the knowledge to ship them. I'm going to continue accepting orders . . .
        You're going to continue to use PayPal to accept orders when you know you have no T-shirt provider, there are current disputes, you don't have the cash to refund customers -- and your partner remains a huge unknown?

        Let's say your current crop of unhappy customers clamor for their cash and you become sorely tempted to fill the refunds with incoming money from new customers.

        If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you potentially are going down a path that could lead to a criminal prosecution. And if you are accepting orders when you know you do not have a supplier, that may be per se fraud.

        Talk to a lawyer. ASAP.

        Patrick
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        • Profile picture of the author MattVit
          Originally Posted by Patrick Pretty View Post

          You're going to continue to use PayPal to accept orders when you know you have no T-shirt provider, there are current disputes, you don't have the cash to refund customers -- and your partner remains a huge unknown?

          Let's say your current crop of unhappy customers clamor for their cash and you become sorely tempted to fill the refunds with incoming money from new customers.

          If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you potentially are going down a path that could lead to a criminal prosecution. And if you are accepting orders when you know you do not have a supplier, that may be per se fraud.

          Talk to a lawyer. ASAP.

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          This is where the discussion gets interesting, because you infer a ponzi scheme... but it's almost an innocent ponzi scheme, if there is such a thing.

          edit: I just read your follow-up post about this being a thinly (wait, no, thickly) veiled attempt at promoting the sale of his site. I don't want to keep flattering you without appearing insincere... but!
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        Originally Posted by Kendra Kiwi View Post

        1) First, explain to all the buyers what happened. Going with honesty on this one, thanks Warriors.
        Always the best way

        2) Find a t-shirt provider, and find out how to ship them out.
        I have a local client who does silk screening T-Shirts, I can put you in touch. PM me.

        3) Resolve the PayPal dispute, either I win or lose. Thanks to the above posts, for encouraging me to continue.
        Yeah stick with that one!

        So now I just need to find a t-shirt provider and figure out how to ship the items. Can anyone recommend or point me in the right direction? I would highly appreciate it.

        Regards,
        Kendra
        As I said, I have a T-Shirt manufacturing client, I'll put you in touch. One thing I will say is, if she can not handle the order, she will say so up front, in which case she'll direct you to someone who can.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Wow, that really really sucks. Hope you can get it sorted out.

    Huge problem, there, as you need to work with someone you trust 100%.

    It can happen, and I have somewhat of a similar situation and luckily the customer was patient with me.

    Hope you can get enough incoming to cover it. It's a real tizzy you got yourself in there, though!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Give us a link to the site. Maybe one of us can figure out where the t-shirts come from.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    If both of you are in the USA, then you should file suit against this guy in small claims. I am sure that he will not respond, but at least you will have a judgment against him. Your can then attempt to collect it and MAYBE get some of the money back.

    What country are you guys in?
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  • Profile picture of the author Digital Traffic
    To be honest, most of your problems would have already been solved by many of us here on the forum with some more information.

    The shirts, unless they are a custom design should take you about 30 minutes to an hour to source online. Something very exotic maybe a few hours.

    If they're custom designs, then tomorrow morning call some silk screeners in your area and get a quote for some screens and production numbers.

    Shipping? The easiest one to solve.

    I'm guessing once you fill in the blanks, by the time you wake up tomorrow, all you will have to do is follow a few action plans provided by many of us here.

    If you don't want to disclose your website here, PM me with your information and I will give you a few hours.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocket Media
    Paypal will almost certainly side with you! Especially if the guy is unresponsive.
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    I assume that they will chargeback his account and his paypal acc will go -2300. They will send him to collections and it will end there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
      Originally Posted by Patrick Pretty View Post

      You're going to continue to use PayPal to accept orders when you know you have no T-shirt provider, there are current disputes, you don't have the cash to refund customers -- and your partner remains a huge unknown?

      Let's say your current crop of unhappy customers clamor for their cash and you become sorely tempted to fill the refunds with incoming money from new customers.

      If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you potentially are going down a path that could lead to a criminal prosecution. And if you are accepting orders when you know you do not have a supplier, that may be per se fraud.

      Talk to a lawyer. ASAP.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kendra Kiwi
        Okay, sorry. Thoughts are just a bit scrambled. I've already dispatched emails and heard only good things from buyers as of now. Already removed all payments until these issues are resolved.

        Someone also was kind enough to PM me with a solution or I atleat hope so for the shirts and shipping.

        Thanks Warriors!

        -Kendra
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        • Profile picture of the author Brad Pollina
          WOW! That totally SUCKS! Do keep us in the loop and let us know how it pans out.

          Also, we're dying to see the t-shirts! Maybe you'll get some more business!

          POST THE LINK PLEASE!
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Brad Pollina View Post

            WOW! That totally SUCKS! Do keep us in the loop and let us know how it pans out.

            Also, we're dying to see the t-shirts! Maybe you'll get some more business!

            POST THE LINK PLEASE!

            Send him a PM with the link instead.

            I can think of half a dozen reasons not to post your link right now.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kendra Kiwi
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              Send him a PM with the link instead.

              I can think of half a dozen reasons not to post your link right now.
              Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with tpw.. There's a lot of potential or atleast I think so with my business right now. Especially because the niche is untapped. Wouldn't want any competition or any more problems as of now so I won't be releasing the website.

              They are basic pressed t-shirts & tank tops.

              Also, I'd like to say the success came from how viral it went. I'm sure this wasn't going to be a long term project anyway. But with all the delay in shipping, people requesting for tracking ID's and well the Social Media negativity and YouTube videos popping up, assuming we're doing fraud has really made a big impact on how much further I can take this. I think I'm going to sell the site and refund all the buyers, that way everyone is happy. Someone can take over and I don't have to deal with this stress. As I am already so busy with other things.


              Thanks again for the support Warriors and I'll be sure to update what happens next.

              Kind Regards,
              Kendra
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              • Profile picture of the author Patrick Pretty
                Originally Posted by Kendra Kiwi View Post

                Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with tpw.. There's a lot of potential or atleast I think so with my business right now. Especially because the niche is untapped. Wouldn't want any competition or any more problems as of now so I won't be releasing the website . . .

                Also, I'd like to say the success came from how viral it went. I'm sure this wasn't going to be a long term project anyway. But with all the delay in shipping, people requesting for tracking ID's and well the Social Media negativity and YouTube videos popping up, assuming we're doing fraud has really made a big impact on how much further I can take this. I think I'm going to sell the site and refund all the buyers, that way everyone is happy. Someone can take over and I don't have to deal with this stress. As I am already so busy with other things.
                Forgive me, but this reads like a backdoor sales pitch aimed at Warriors. You're talking about an "untapped" niche, "success" coming from "how viral it went" -- and all of that is juxtaposed against the significant problems you've described, including the problem that people are clamoring for refunds while 100 percent of the assets purportedly have been distributed to and possibly dissipated by a silent business partner who is MIA.

                And you add that you're "going to sell the site and refund all the buyers" -- as though it's a forgone conclusion that the site will sell quickly and will fetch enough to make your current unhappy buyers whole. What happens to them in the meantime?

                I'm not sure if I've ever seen inconvenient facts mixed with convenient assumptions in quite this way.

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                • Profile picture of the author tpw
                  Originally Posted by Patrick Pretty View Post

                  Forgive me, but this reads like a backdoor sales pitch aimed at Warriors. You're talking about an "untapped" niche, "success" coming from "how viral it went" -- and all of that is juxtaposed against the significant problems you've described, including the problem that people are clamoring for refunds while 100 percent of the assets purportedly have been distributed to and possibly dissipated by a silent business partner who is MIA.

                  And you add that you're "going to sell the site and refund all the buyers" -- as though it's a forgone conclusion that the site will sell quickly and will fetch enough to make your current unhappy buyers whole. What happens to them in the meantime?

                  I'm not sure if I've ever seen inconvenient facts mixed with convenient assumptions in quite this way.

                  Patrick

                  I wouldn't count on that in this case.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kendra Kiwi
                  Not really, I'm just stating what I think about it all. I mean if anyone would be interested to take it off my hands, well.. but that wasn't my initial purpose for why I said the things I said. I'm just being honest. I've come up to a decision to just let go of the site. I just feel it would be best for the business itself and for me because I can't really deal with this type of venture and scenario, because of who I am.

                  My plan right now is to refund all the buyers that haven't received the orders either if I can win the dispute or if I can sell the site and do it that way. Not really sure how else I could go about it, but I just can't see my self continuing on with it all.

                  Kendra
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                • Profile picture of the author Sam England
                  WOW...that totally sucks...what a freaking jerk for ripping you off...

                  I can send my redneck buddies Bubba and LeRoy out in their pickem up truck to kick his ass for you...if that will make you feel better...

                  Only kidding...

                  To be serious I would seek legal advise very soon...

                  I have dealt with a ton of manufacturers for many many years now and have NEVER had anyone do me that way...I guess I have been very lucky...

                  But to be honest I know who I do business with and that may be something that you have learned in this bad situation...know who you do business with and NEVER givem all of any payment until the goods are ready for inspection...

                  Live and Learn...

                  I hope you get this resolved quickly...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kendra Kiwi
                    Yeah, I guess looking at it through a positive perspective I've learned a few things about people and really how hard it is to trust anyone. Initially we talked for a while, he designed the t-shirts we got out a first shipment so it seemed that we had somewhat established a relationship, so i thought I could put trust in him. As more orders poured in, what I think happened is he was consumed by greed, and he just took the opportunity to scam me.

                    I hope this brings a lesson to some of you to be extremely cautious about the people you talk to and never really go fully into something without a sure way out, if you know what I mean.

                    Thanks for all the support, I really appreciate it.

                    Kendra~
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        • Profile picture of the author eb219
          Glad to hear things are starting to come back together for you! Finding a supplier ASAP is definitely what you should be doing. Just think, a few months from now you'll look back and say "I am sooo glad I didn't quit". Especially when you know it's a producer.

          I've faced a similar situation with a delayed orders (a main supplier for one of my sites closed shop out of the blue). I offered discount vouchers to everyone affected. You could follow up with your customers again with something along the lines of ... "I would like to show my heartfelt appreciation for all customers affected; we are a small company, and for your patience we'll be offering each of you a 10% discount coupon on your next order ... guaranteed on-time delivery!" (you might get a few smiles there)

          The heartfelt route can alleviate the majority of your customers and regain their confidence. In fact, simply communicating with them and keeping contact with a timetable will create a level of empathy and likely INCREASE loyalty to your company in the future
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    Originally Posted by Kendra Kiwi View Post

    Hey Warriors!

    I'm in a situation with PayPal and a business partner who I just found out was completely suicidal or bi-polar. We had a mutual agreement where he would order the products and ship them while I managed customer support and the websites.

    Well here's what happened, we used my PayPal to receive all the orders, everything was going fine. So, a few weeks went by and we needed to re-stock. As our business was just starting out, we made around 2,300 net so I sent him all the money to his PayPal for the costs of the products and for shipping.

    After I sent the money I'm sure he withdraw all the money into his bank and blocked me and avoided all communication, stopped answering all phone calls etc.

    So I had no money, and expecting tons of disputes through PayPal. I talked to one of my close friends with some what this type of experience and he requested that I file a unauthorized transaction(s) for the 2,300$. Which I did, around 2 days ago. I'm not sure if I should have filed a dispute instead but It seems that an unauthorized transaction would lead me to a higher chance of getting my money and surviving this unfortunate scam..

    It is a pretty large amount, does anyone have any experience with this and can tell me what I should expect?

    Will PayPal try to contact me? The guy isn't responding to the dispute because I think he is fairly inexperienced with handling PayPal as his account is a brand new business account.

    Would appreciate some thoughts, feedback or any input in the situation.

    Kind Regards,
    Kendra
    Kendra,

    The problem I foresee is the fact that you didn't purchase a product of any sort from this person. You simply sent them money. If you are lucky what you have already done will work for you, but a dispute will not help at all. However, if you have any emails stating the agreement the two of you made it could be possible to hire a lawyer and sue this person.

    Benjamin Ehinger
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Hopefully it will be sorted out, Paypal can be difficult especially if no tracking numbers are involved
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  • Profile picture of the author aminur
    It's not nice to hear people being scammed so bad. It's real hard to trust people this days.
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  • Profile picture of the author adammck
    That's really unlucky, but a lesson learnt none the less.

    If you have the traffic and think sales will continue at a rate to make a profit in the future, then stick with it. It may be a hiccup now but you may be on to something good.

    Take the emotion aside and see if it's worth continuing your time and money. Also, make sure that your 'business partner' has no access to any of the sites/admin etc.

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    If I were you, I would try and find a way through this sorry mess, rectify the current problem and then proceed with this business on your own. Many people can't make a $ online. You have and as you say, you are still taking orders. Your site will end up making this money back plus more. The only person losing out in the long term will be them when you are 'the one making all the money.

    Good luck with it all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I don't understand why people don't reply to questions in a thread they started. Where is the OP located? Asked but not answered.

      Who provided the intial money for the first "shipment" - not answered.

      You ask about shippping but no one can answer because no country is listed for you.

      No biggie but answers would clarify the situation to some extent. Details count.

      For example, if you are in the U.S. and near a university town - you can find tshirts made to order like you wouldn't believe. These shops are hurting for business during summer and in this economy - pricing is very flexible. No middle man to worry about as the printing is done on site.

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  • Profile picture of the author footbag_man
    contact paypal .. they can put through a dispute for you and hopefully block him from taking the money out..

    Fergal
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