Shouldn't I Be Busier?

by Toniy
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Heeeeeeyyyy guys

Sooo.... I haven't had much to do today. Like at all.

I've responded to some emails, and some PM's... but not much else.

A few weeks ago I worked easily 14 days straight doing about 12 hours each day... and now it's kinda calmed down.

Without going into too much detail, I've been putting together products and now I'm essentially gathering interest for those products, but that's happening pretty much on autopilot.

So in a few weeks I'll be getting busy again... but right now I feel like I'm almost wasting time.

My core business doesn't REQUIRE me to do anything else right now... and since it's my first, I don't really want to distract myself and get caught up with another project before I've seen this one through to completion. However...

There are only so many times you can watch Curb Your Enthusiasm in one day.

So how many hours a week do you work on your IM efforts, and what do you spend most of your time doing?

And why not let's put it into perspective...

e.g. I work 80 hours per week and employ 8 people, but that earns be $20,000 a month.

OR... I work 5 hours a week by myself outside of my main job and that brings in $1,000 a month...

You know, that kinda thing
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    About 9 hours.

    I find it difficult to just sit and watch TV. I always need to be productive unless I'm put into an alternative state through vodka or wine.
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    • Profile picture of the author Toniy
      Originally Posted by webcore View Post

      About 9 hours.

      I find it difficult to just sit and watch TV. I always need to be productive unless I'm put into an alternative state through vodka or wine.
      YES! I hate it too... honest to god I just feel like I'm falling into a rut if I don't have something productive going on.

      5 hours 'productively' drinking Rioja however, yeah, some quiet time is welcome
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek S
    I hear ya man,

    Seems like the more money I make these days the less I am motivated to go and make even more.

    Over a year ago I had around 17 employees with the goal of making less work for myself and being able to get 17X more work done within the year I normally could not do on my own... Long story short, having 17 employees eliminated a lot of the mindless work I would have to do for myself, but it brought on an entire new kind of work to the table - Managing and motivating 17 employees

    Now I found a great manager who has his own team and takes care of everything for me leaving me with maybe 3 hours of work a week and pulling in more money I ever could if I was in it alone.

    The thing is your work is never really done unless you want it to be. There is always something for you to do that will grow your business. Be it paying more attention to your email list, split testing your ads/sales letters or even just randomly following up with older customers to see how things worked out after using your products, your jobs never done unless you want it to be.

    Heck all I have done today was take the Jag in to get serviced, stopped by subway for a sub, came home and to eat it while watching some How I Met Your Mother and now here I am all full reading the good old Warrior Forum. All this time the email on my phone is still going off notifying me of new sales.

    One day this week however I will find myself inspired and work from 8AM till 3AM the next morning. Or I will find a new niche I see potential to make a killing from and spend two solid months working to have the product created, locating the keywords, researching the market/potential competitors then get started on writing the copy and so on.

    We get in this business for the freedom and the flexibility so when you achieve it, never take it for granted and never abuse it because the people who do, one day find themselves out of business - Forced to work harder then ever before to get it all back.
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    • Profile picture of the author Toniy
      Originally Posted by Derek S View Post

      I hear ya man,

      We get in this business for the freedom and the flexibility so when you achieve it, never take it for granted and never abuse it because the people who do, one day find themselves out of business - Forced to work harder then ever before to get it all back.
      I'm with ya Derek... I get what you're saying. Although right now, I WANT to be working the long days because I feel like I've acheived more than what most people do. Hell I like it purely because I've achieved, regardless of other people.

      I love being able to dictate my own hours, but I want enough to do WITH those hours

      Of course if I was earning plenty I'd find something to do with the money, but since I have none, my options are limited :p

      I guess as I scale up it'll become more involved... but I do feel the absence of work.

      Which, to be honest, is something I'm pleased with. At least it means I enjoy my work when I have it

      Maybe it would be worth taking on a new project... hmm...
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by Toniy View Post

        Of course if I was earning plenty I'd find something to do with the money, but since I have none, my options are limited :p

        If I'm reading this thread correctly, you have plenty of time and no work to do. If I read the quoted post above correctly, you don't have enough money.


        No work to do and yet no money. Hmmm. There MUST be a correlation in here someplace. Let me think on this and I'll get back to you...






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        • Profile picture of the author Toniy
          Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

          If I'm reading this thread correctly, you have plenty of time and no work to do. If I read the quoted post above correctly, you don't have enough money.


          No work to do and yet no money. Hmmm. There MUST be a correlation in here someplace. Let me think on this and I'll get back to you...

          Dude... come on, give me a break :p

          Yeah I used to fill the time writing articles but it made me want my soul to die after a while. Now I'm list building... I WOULD be writing copy but I'm waiting on feedback...

          I'm in that really tight in between space where I've just done a ton of work getting my email sequence in place, providing plenty of content and getting the technical aspects up together (first time around so took longer than it will next time )... and the time where I'll be inundated with emails, PMs, JV requests, Customer Care, Deal Brokering and Copy Clients....

          But yeah, right now I'm in between those two 'busy periods' and I've had my rest. I can't make anything happen more than I am already, which sounds like a cop out but believe me it isn't.

          Literally the only thing I can think of that's left is to start my offline venture... but like I said, I don't want to get distracted.

          Which leads me on to...
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  • Profile picture of the author Suze Thomas
    I find I have to set my own schedule, or I don't get much done at all. There is so much to do in online and offline marketing, I just can't see not being busy.
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    • Profile picture of the author yayasvc
      I find it to be extremely important that you set a schedule and make a list of tasks each day. I myself have a few home businesses that I work on each day. My day is spent mostly placing ads and a few hours of calling leads and doing follow up.

      I used to spend a lot of time doing "busy work" and not getting much done at all. Now that I've been keeping track of the tasks that I want to accomplish and setting a schedule for each task, it's been easier for me to get things done daily.

      I work about 6 hours a day and I make a very comfortable living. It is not productive to spend time watching hours of TV. Especially if you want to be able to pay your bills.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I quit trying to have a nice, regular schedule. Doesn't work for me. I have days when I have a lot to do and I work 12-16 hours. When I have days with less that needs done - I relax and enjoy it. I'm not living to work...

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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I quit trying to have a nice, regular schedule. Doesn't work for me. I have days when I have a lot to do and I work 12-16 hours. When I have days with less that needs done - I relax and enjoy it. I'm not living to work...

          kay
          That's pretty much how it works for me. When I'm focused and into a project heavy, I'm not a particularly pleasant guy to be around. So I put in my time, and when things, as the OP called it, 'calm down' I mellow out and enjoy it. When my wife gets home from work, my workday is done.
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          • Profile picture of the author Toniy
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            I quit trying to have a nice, regular schedule. Doesn't work for me. I have days when I have a lot to do and I work 12-16 hours. When I have days with less that needs done - I relax and enjoy it. I'm not living to work...

            kay
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            That's pretty much how it works for me. When I'm focused and into a project heavy, I'm not a particularly pleasant guy to be around. So I put in my time, and when things, as the OP called it, 'calm down' I mellow out and enjoy it. When my wife gets home from work, my workday is done.
            YESSSS... thanks guys I think that's where I'm at at the moment... I just wanted to know if it's something I should be expecting (peaks and troughs of workload) or if there's something missing from my process...

            Which leads me on to....
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          • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
            If you don´t want to distract yourself from the present project then spend the free time taking care of your body. Get out. Exercise. You will feel like you are doing something useful (which you are) and live longer for it. Take a bike ride or go to the beach or go kayaking or take a walk in the woods. Anything that involves body movement and preferably nature. Get a hobby, or create a non-business project for your home or family. Build a dog-house or something. Stay active.

            Whatever you do, don´t spend the excess time in front of the TV, gaming computer or hanging out at the mall.
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            • Profile picture of the author Toniy
              Originally Posted by mrdomains View Post

              If you don´t want to distract yourself from the present project then spend the free time taking care of your body. Get out. Exercise. You will feel like you are doing something useful (which you are) and live longer for it. Take a bike ride or go to the beach or go kayaking or take a walk in the woods. Anything that involves body movement and preferably nature. Get a hobby, or create a non-business project for your home or family. Build a dog-house or something. Stay active.

              Whatever you do, don´t spend the excess time in front of the TV, gaming computer or hanging out at the mall.
              Couldn't agree more.

              I had a weird phase where I thought any time away from the computer meant I wasn't concentrating on the important things, wasn't trying to make money, was procrastinating and letting myself down etc.

              In actual fact, there is only so much I can do in a day.

              I have actually just started a physical experiment a la The 4 Hour Body... It could be the most interesting or the most horrendous 28 days of my life but I'll never know until it's over

              I would like to point out though that I actually watch very little TV... because it's mostly ****e. Curb was just something I thought would be relatable

              Should go for more walks though... if only I didn't live in Wales. Specifically the wettest city in Europe. Officially.
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      • Profile picture of the author Toniy
        Originally Posted by Suze Thomas View Post

        I find I have to set my own schedule, or I don't get much done at all. There is so much to do in online and offline marketing, I just can't see not being busy.
        Originally Posted by yayasvc View Post

        I find it to be extremely important that you set a schedule and make a list of tasks each day. I myself have a few home businesses that I work on each day. My day is spent mostly placing ads and a few hours of calling leads and doing follow up.

        I used to spend a lot of time doing "busy work" and not getting much done at all. Now that I've been keeping track of the tasks that I want to accomplish and setting a schedule for each task, it's been easier for me to get things done daily.

        I work about 6 hours a day and I make a very comfortable living. It is not productive to spend time watching hours of TV. Especially if you want to be able to pay your bills.
        Hey girls,

        Yeah I totally have the same thing... it's an excel spreadsheet I put together as an 'unschedule' after going through 'Conquering Procrastination' by Dr. Neil Fiore... which is exceptional.

        Trouble is, I've checked off everything on my list. I'm out of things to do! :rolleyes:

        Now and again I'd equate the amount of work I do in a day to the amount of real work (not busy work) an office dweller would work... or how much I worked when I was at an office... I reckon 3-4 hours is reasonable.

        If I do more than 4 hours work, I feel like I've done fine.

        Equally if I've checked off two or three 'jobs' that need doing to further the business e.g. Edit sales copy, upload files via FTP, re-launch WSO etc.

        But as I said previously... I've got things to do... I just need other things to happen before I can do them and they're out of my hands!


        Rubbish...
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          My answer was true - but I should qualify...I am making money. If I weren't I'd be working a lot more every day.

          Now and again I'd equate the amount of work I do in a day to the amount of real work (not busy work) an office dweller would work... or how much I worked when I was at an office... I reckon 3-4 hours is reasonable.

          If I do more than 4 hours work, I feel like I've done fine.
          That's fine if you're able to pay the bills If not, you need a longer "to do" list...

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          • Profile picture of the author Toniy
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            My answer was true - but I should qualify...I am making money. If I weren't I'd be working a lot more every day.

            That's fine if you're able to pay the bills If not, you need a longer "to do" list...

            kay
            I need a longer to do list NOW :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
    if you got nothing to do mate how about helping me out getting some cash coming in

    I am working 12 + hours a day in my offline business just to keep a roof over my head and then trying to work 5 + hours a day on top

    exhaustion setting in

    $100 a day changes my life.

    Seriously, fancy helping me out? I am drowning
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    • Profile picture of the author Toniy
      Originally Posted by JudoRick View Post

      if you got nothing to do mate how about helping me out getting some cash coming in

      I am working 12 + hours a day in my offline business just to keep a roof over my head and then trying to work 5 + hours a day on top

      exhaustion setting in

      $100 a day changes my life.

      Seriously, fancy helping me out? I am drowning
      It actually sounds like you might be working a little too much mate, as nuts as that sounds

      If you're really getting exhausted, your productivity will be in the toilet.

      Give yourself a break, you'll get a fresh perspective on things when you come back to it.

      Hmmm... not sure I have a solution beyond that right now. I know you've got options... you know what I'd suggest?

      I know you're getting into the groove of CPA... pop over to the CPA forum and look for someone who's talking about making their first $100 or something... then just send them a PM.

      You're a friendly bloke so they'll be happy to talk. See if you can mimic their success... and have a cup of tea mate

      I've been out of the CPA game for a couple of months working on the other projects and, goddamn as much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't make a good mentor to you right now as things are going to be picking up again pretty soon.

      In a couple of months however, in the next lull, I'll be all over it
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      • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
        Originally Posted by Toniy View Post

        It actually sounds like you might be working a little too much mate, as nuts as that sounds

        If you're really getting exhausted, your productivity will be in the toilet.

        Give yourself a break, you'll get a fresh perspective on things when you come back to it.

        Hmmm... not sure I have a solution beyond that right now. I know you've got options... you know what I'd suggest?

        I know you're getting into the groove of CPA... pop over to the CPA forum and look for someone who's talking about making their first $100 or something... then just send them a PM.

        You're a friendly bloke so they'll be happy to talk. See if you can mimic their success... and have a cup of tea mate

        I've been out of the CPA game for a couple of months working on the other projects and, goddamn as much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't make a good mentor to you right now as things are going to be picking up again pretty soon.

        In a couple of months however, in the next lull, I'll be all over it
        my offline business is in massage and physical therapy... it is very demanding physically and mentally I work in several locations. I cant afford to turn down any appointmentsw because you never know when the bookings are going to drop off so I take everything... and it is very tiring indeed

        then i am writing content and studying and all sorts for online

        cant afford a break (also been ripped off a few times)
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        • Profile picture of the author Toniy
          Originally Posted by JudoRick View Post

          my offline business is in massage and physical therapy... it is very demanding physically and mentally I work in several locations. I cant afford to turn down any appointmentsw because you never know when the bookings are going to drop off so I take everything... and it is very tiring indeed

          then i am writing content and studying and all sorts for online

          cant afford a break (also been ripped off a few times)
          I'm glad you said that man, I was about to get some sleep but I just thought of one more thing I needed to add.

          If you are going looking for other 'ways' of making money, you GOTTA stick with one until you know conclusively if it works for you or not. Jumping from one to another is a surefire way to **** up.

          You're using your IM skills to get the site for your massage business up to Rank #1 in Google right? i.e. Massage in 'JudoRick's city'
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  • Profile picture of the author CollegeEducated
    Being Busy does not always represent being productive. Plenty of busy people arent productive, and plenty of not busy people are immensely productive. Though, some also say "motion generates emotion and momentum". It depends I suppose.
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    • Profile picture of the author Toniy
      Originally Posted by CollegeEducated View Post

      Being Busy does not always represent being productive. Plenty of busy people arent productive, and plenty of not busy people are immensely productive. Though, some also say "motion generates emotion and momentum". It depends I suppose.
      Point well made.

      When I'm working, I'm working hard... there's no break, no 'busy work' it's just hardcore production, and I've worked hard for a while so I guess now is just 'the quiet time', getting ready to amp up the next phase
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewNeer
    You shouldnt do a damn thang!

    That the whole point of Internet Marketing bro. Time and Money Freedom. If you got that, you better be taking MASSIVE advantage of it.

    Go to the beach and have a mojito!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
      Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

      You shouldnt do a damn thang!

      That the whole point of Internet Marketing bro. Time and Money Freedom. If you got that, you better be taking MASSIVE advantage of it.

      Go to the beach and have a mojito!
      clearly never been to wales then!

      beach? rofl
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    • Profile picture of the author Toniy
      Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

      You shouldnt do a damn thang!

      That the whole point of Internet Marketing bro. Time and Money Freedom. If you got that, you better be taking MASSIVE advantage of it.

      Go to the beach and have a mojito!

      My money is tied up in assets at the moment man... I can't enjoy any of it!

      And Rick's right... the beaches have turned into mudpits this past week :p

      GREAT for surfing though, but my buddy has the car and he's doing up his girl's flat.

      Damn.
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  • Profile picture of the author thetrafficguy
    I've definitely found if you're going to hire people (anymore than 1 or 2 really) you need to also hire someone to manage them. Otherwise you tend to spend the time managing you would have spent just doing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author CollegeEducated
      Originally Posted by thetrafficguy View Post

      I've definitely found if you're going to hire people (anymore than 1 or 2 really) you need to also hire someone to manage them. Otherwise you tend to spend the time managing you would have spent just doing it.
      Thats very true, though I wonder how much more work is involved. I know your peace of mind is much more disturbed, wondering "what are they messing up now".
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      • Profile picture of the author Toniy
        Originally Posted by thetrafficguy View Post

        I've definitely found if you're going to hire people (anymore than 1 or 2 really) you need to also hire someone to manage them. Otherwise you tend to spend the time managing you would have spent just doing it.
        Originally Posted by CollegeEducated View Post

        Thats very true, though I wonder how much more work is involved. I know your peace of mind is much more disturbed, wondering "what are they messing up now".

        Fellas I can barely outsource let alone build a team and employ a manager :p

        That's the online equivalent of intimacy issues, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author willay
      Lots of time with no money is a problem..one that doesn't come up very often. Why not brainstorm more product ideas you can add on to your funnel for your backend and work on creating those products. Even if you won't be using them for some time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Toniy
        Originally Posted by willay View Post

        Lots of time with no money is a problem..one that doesn't come up very often. Why not brainstorm more product ideas you can add on to your funnel for your backend and work on creating those products. Even if you won't be using them for some time.

        I like your spin on it Will mate

        I'm coming up with these ideas perpetually... which is a blessing I suppose...

        Hell I've got a notepad full of them, time to revisit I think!

        I can put together a PDF report in an afternoon, so there might just be something to that

        I DO want to pull together this offline business though... hmmmmm. Yeah.
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  • Profile picture of the author thetrafficguy
    Ya it takes a bigger step to hire a manager and develop the trust they're doing a good job then it does to hire/outsource work. Much more so.

    That part takes some work. But is necessary if you want to build out your business and remove yourself from daily operations (which you should be doing).
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    • Profile picture of the author smithsam100
      Toniy,

      seems to me that if your system is running on auto-pilot and you are starting to reap the benefits, then surely it is time to start another stream!

      I don`t think that now is the time to rest on your laurels.

      Whatever you decide on, I wish you all the best.

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      • Profile picture of the author Toniy
        Originally Posted by smithsam100 View Post

        Toniy,

        seems to me that if your system is running on auto-pilot and you are starting to reap the benefits, then surely it is time to start another stream!

        I don`t think that now is the time to rest on your laurels.

        Whatever you decide on, I wish you all the best.

        Sam.
        You know what sir? I think you're right.

        I honestly feel like there's so little left to do with the business, even once it DOES pick up again, it really would be best if I found another revenue stream.

        I know I've been given the same advice already, but the way you put it really gelled with me, so thanks Sam
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    • Profile picture of the author genhorrall
      Hey Toniy,

      Well I see you are still fairing after quitting your job. That is good. I know you are asking how many hours people are working and to be honest I think it has more to do with personal preference. I mean in the beginning the more we work and the hard and faster the quicker chance we have to making money.

      Now I am not sure what your project is or why you have to wait till the money starts to come in. That is a little confusing and hard to clear up without getting down the nitty gritty of what you are doing and I know some marketers just do not like to share.

      My question is, have you done anything to create a quick cash product? You know one that is somewhere between 39.95 and say 197.00. I guess that would be pounds for you.

      You say also that you are list building, but I am curious how you are doing that each day and not having anything to do? I work on my list and my leads and that takes up a good portions of my day. I make it a point to add value and help those that I am connecting with. I am not saying you are not doing this, just wondering how you are doing it, if you are not working more than a few hours. I know I spend more time on this part of my business than anything else. I work on relationships. The other stuff, content and product creation takes up only about and hour or two of my day, but right now the other 3 to 6 depending on what other things need to get done for my family, are spent relationship building. Now this may just be my thing, my husband was making fun of me, but helping others is something I would do and have done even if I do not get paid.

      The only other thing I saw that sort of seemed to be missing in your mentions was your content creations to do your marketing. I am sure you know there are other ways besides article writing (I did see how you hated that). Are you doing this for your business now? If not I would tell ya, you might want to consider putting out some sort of information or helpful tidbit just to keep your business active and in people's minds.

      Okay this is only my two cents at it. I am not in the least bit and expert or a guru. The best of luck to you and hope you get to your car or at least out to the park. =D

      PS And you really should enjoy the breaks when you get them. Engage in them and be in the moment of whatever you are doing. It will enhance your work and your play.
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      • Profile picture of the author Toniy
        Originally Posted by genhorrall View Post

        Hey Toniy,

        Well I see you are still fairing after quitting your job. That is good. I know you are asking how many hours people are working and to be honest I think it has more to do with personal preference. I mean in the beginning the more we work and the hard and faster the quicker chance we have to making money.

        Now I am not sure what your project is or why you have to wait till the money starts to come in. That is a little confusing and hard to clear up without getting down the nitty gritty of what you are doing and I know some marketers just do not like to share.

        My question is, have you done anything to create a quick cash product? You know one that is somewhere between 39.95 and say 197.00. I guess that would be pounds for you.

        You say also that you are list building, but I am curious how you are doing that each day and not having anything to do? I work on my list and my leads and that takes up a good portions of my day. I make it a point to add value and help those that I am connecting with. I am not saying you are not doing this, just wondering how you are doing it, if you are not working more than a few hours. I know I spend more time on this part of my business than anything else. I work on relationships. The other stuff, content and product creation takes up only about and hour or two of my day, but right now the other 3 to 6 depending on what other things need to get done for my family, are spent relationship building. Now this may just be my thing, my husband was making fun of me, but helping others is something I would do and have done even if I do not get paid.

        The only other thing I saw that sort of seemed to be missing in your mentions was your content creations to do your marketing. I am sure you know there are other ways besides article writing (I did see how you hated that). Are you doing this for your business now? If not I would tell ya, you might want to consider putting out some sort of information or helpful tidbit just to keep your business active and in people's minds.

        Okay this is only my two cents at it. I am not in the least bit and expert or a guru. The best of luck to you and hope you get to your car or at least out to the park. =D

        PS And you really should enjoy the breaks when you get them. Engage in them and be in the moment of whatever you are doing. It will enhance your work and your play.

        Hey Gen

        Thanks for the well wishes, I am indeed fairing after quitting my job

        (They locked the thread because it was becoming a kind of 'follow me' you see... they don't like that :p)

        You're right about personal preference... I was hammering it for weeks until I got to this point for that very reason... now it just depends on other people giving me their responses, which takes a little while because they ARE busy people.

        And I do see the limitation of not knowing exactly what it is I'm up to

        I haven't gone about putting together a quick cash product actually... well that's not strictly true. I put something together a little while back and it did ok, but I've repurposed it now.

        I guess I could put together a few reports, but I prefer to work on monstrous products that are going to have a huge effect on people... and that's what I'll be doing once my list is where I want / need it to be, which it will be in just a few weeks.

        Now my list building thing is an interesting one. The way I do it is pretty much automated, which is what required those 12 hour days a little while ago. I converse with my subscribers as and when they need but other than that, the relationship / rapport building has been taken care of.

        I love helping other folks and put a lot of time and effort into the individual emails I send but for the most part, the content I provide them with seems to do everything for them that they need.

        I'm not exactly sure what you meant regarding content creation though... I've actually sent you a PM if you wouldn't mind explaining that a bit further? I've just done a workout (yep, outside and everything :p ... no car) so I'm a little hazy

        I appreciate all you've written Gen, thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Toniy
      Originally Posted by thetrafficguy View Post

      Ya it takes a bigger step to hire a manager and develop the trust they're doing a good job then it does to hire/outsource work. Much more so.

      That part takes some work. But is necessary if you want to build out your business and remove yourself from daily operations (which you should be doing).
      I can totally imagine.

      Still it's early days yet... however that 'new project' I've come up with may well take off enough to warrant outsourcing and ultimately a manager too... wow, that's a hell of a thing to realise

      Always assumed I'd be going it alone... huh
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    • Profile picture of the author Toniy
      Originally Posted by Regal Content View Post

      It's 5:21pm here on the East Coast and my day isn't even half over . Use this time to diversify your portfolio maybe. Go do some brain storming and thinking, it'll pay off ten fold if you do something productive now instead of waste your time. Time IS money.

      Man I used to have my 16 hours on the wrong side of the day... you know, going to sleep at 7 am and waking up at 3 pm... couple hours of sunlight and then eternal darkness :p ... I did that for a MONTH.

      Spend one evening drinking wine after having only four hours sleep one night last week and I seem to have got it sorted again... I LOVE DAY TIME!

      But yeah, I've decided on how I'm going to fill my time... I've done a bit of cheeky networking and we'll see what happens there, otherwise it'll be a business plan I'm putting together and then implementation!

      It's nice to have direction
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  • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
    Some days I can be massively productive in just 2-3 hrs online, other times I can be on the computer 8-10 hrs and realize I am not really achieving much at all
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    • Profile picture of the author Toniy
      Originally Posted by Aussie_Al View Post

      Some days I can be massively productive in just 2-3 hrs online, other times I can be on the computer 8-10 hrs and realize I am not really achieving much at all
      See this is what I'm talking about with that office thing... when I was in the office, working for Hewlett-Packard actually, towards the end of the month where it got busy, I'd be in the office until 2 am (most people finished at 5 pm) and I'd arrive at the office at 9 am.

      What did I do in those 17 hour days?

      ... I have literally no idea. I just, can't remember... I remember writing about a dozen emails, making a few phone calls... entering a little bit of data and that was it.

      Maybe 3 hours work tops?

      Jesus... no wonder I was on review all the time... HA!

      OH WAIT, now I remember... I used to **** around constantly and write hilarious stories over email to the other interns...
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  • Profile picture of the author Toniy
    Wow... I've run out of 'Thanks'...

    I'm going to get some sleep, recharge the Thank Batteries, wake up to a new day and put something awesome into action

    Goodnight friends, thanks for everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
    Tony I dont even have a website for my massage business - I get all the work I need by word of mouth, cant keep up as it is. No time to run a site anyway and probably not enough searches to make it worthwhile

    no my IM focus is on passive income
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    • Profile picture of the author Toniy
      Originally Posted by JudoRick View Post

      Tony I dont even have a website for my massage business - I get all the work I need by word of mouth, cant keep up as it is. No time to run a site anyway and probably not enough searches to make it worthwhile

      no my IM focus is on passive income
      Alright there might be something massive I'm missing here... so correct me if I'm wrong.

      But you should raise your prices.

      You run a massage business...

      You work 12 hour days...

      I'd imagine that's maybe... 20 clients? I don't know how long a session is.

      I also don't know how much you charge.

      But let's say 12 clients and I know you want to make an extra $100 a day (£60)... that's an extra £5 per client.

      I don't know what kind of price bump that represents... might by 20%, might be 100%, I don't know... and it doesn't NEED to be £5, it's just an example based on my guesses of your business.

      But if you raise your prices, some folks might leave, but it will leave you more time, you'd be earning more per hour and you could concentrate on marketing for that, finding new clients... whatever.

      Obviously you don't have to take my advice, but subtle price increases I think are the way forward, if you're filled to capacity.

      Just my thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author DesignDevelopment
    Well Toniy,
    If you earn by just directing people what to do, YOUR a Businessman.
    but if you earn by Getting Directed.. your a Freelancer..
    So, does not really how much you work, ITS how you work..
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      To answer your question. i work about 20 hrs a day. ( that is being literal, i don't sleep very much and i don't really have a life other then work ) i just don't know how to work less. When i had retired. i went stir crazy. wound up working on other peoples stuff. I hear the words "workaholic" at least 2 or 3 times a wk.

      I will refrain from any income claims tho, unlike many here, i truly believe those should be private.
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      • Profile picture of the author Toniy
        Originally Posted by DesignDevelopment View Post

        Well Toniy,
        If you earn by just directing people what to do, YOUR a Businessman.
        but if you earn by Getting Directed.. your a Freelancer..
        So, does not really how much you work, ITS how you work..
        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        To answer your question. i work about 20 hrs a day. ( that is being literal, i don't sleep very much and i don't really have a life other then work ) i just don't know how to work less. When i had retired. i went stir crazy. wound up working on other peoples stuff. I hear the words "workaholic" at least 2 or 3 times a wk.

        I will refrain from any income claims tho, unlike many here, i truly believe those should be private.
        DD - Point well made... I think I'm bouncing between the two at the moment... I freelance, and I conduct business. Of course at some point soon I might be able to be a businessman directing freelancers

        Ken - That's intense sir.... you're a machine I respect the withholding of income claims, you're right I suppose that should be personal. Some people flaunt it though, it's a very individual thing I think.

        So you say you work 20 hours, and on other people's projects... but what are the actual activities? That's what I'm especially interested in...
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  • Profile picture of the author Toniy
    Just a quick update... I HAVE undertaken a new project and I'm very excited

    Should be busy over the next few days
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