Is There Enough Money?

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I see ads all the time from people who claim, I made XXX,XXX.00 dollars or X,XXX,XXX dollars in X days and I will show you how to do this too.

IMO---

Wow does that sound tempting. My first question is, if you made that much doing that why aren't you doing it some more? I mean if I had a web site that got me 1K a month, I guess I would have ten or fifteen and go volunteer somewhere when I wasn't working with the sites.

Maybe you made that selling the method on how to make that money...

I guess there are those that love what they do, which is great. I also guess there are those who honestly want to teach others a skill to earn them money, that great too.

Is it just me that sees this? Is there just too much hype in IM?

I hope this doesn't make anyone mad with me. :rolleyes:

Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    David,

    First of all, I am NOT one of those who prioritizes the "money' over that of long term success. Truth is, despite my post count, I am still just now finding my bearings.

    Do yourself a favor, as your name implies; you, like I have an interest in writing, and look into the many article syndication threads throughout the forums.

    Specifically, Alexa, John, Paul, and several other successful writers will guide you accordingly, no hype, no bs!

    With that said... avoid the hype, stay away from MMO (make money online) niches, at least for now, and get your feet feet wet in a shark free pool.

    Article syndication, is my opinion the greatest marketing methods available for writers.

    All the Best,

    Art

    PS- Your link doesn't work, but you may want to put it in your signature, rather than in your post. My guess would be the misspell in the word writeing:confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author davesghostwriting
      Thanks, fixed the link and will add to signature. Appreciate the suggestion.
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  • Profile picture of the author payment proof
    I don't thank anyone will get mad.

    I think it's possible to carve out a living on the Internet. And a very few will end up getting rich. But I tend not to belive claims where people say I've made thousands of dollars in just a few days, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
      Originally Posted by payment proof View Post

      I don't thank anyone will get mad.

      I think it's possible to carve out a living on the Internet. And a very few will end up getting rich. But I tend not to belive claims where people say I've made thousands of dollars in just a few days, etc.
      I feel for the poor newcomers. They are bombarded with 'Get Ridiculously Wealthy in No Time Flat' messages, and their expectations are hyped to believe that's the norm. We know it's not.

      However, the sooner they can understand that they can make an income, and eventually a very healthy income, the sooner they'll be able to calm down and set their sites on WORKING TOWARDS a new future.

      It can be a painful path, but I don't quite agree with your expression "very few will get rich". It depends what you call rich. If you're used to earning say, $20,000 a year in a J.O.B., it's very feasable that you can better this by building an IM business. So at leats your richER. Once you've cracked it, there's no reason why this can't continually grow.

      It just takes time - and perseverance.

      Cheers
      Alan
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    DUH... it appears you already know!

    Seeing the giant EZA logo on your site, which looks good by BTW.

    All the Best,

    Art
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    • Profile picture of the author JRCarson
      I personally started making a full time income selling Amazon products, and I don't intend to ever stop doing that and trying to make it bigger...but I then did a report and sold it here teaching how I did it, and spent hours on emails and hours on here answering questions, and it was really fulfilling! ...and it wasn't bad monetarily either.

      I agree with the writing point that Art72 makes as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author davesghostwriting
        Yes I guess it is fulfilling. I have recently started with Amazon a bit myself. Thinking about Jim Cockrum's course. Thoughts? "Buy your book" j/k
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        • Profile picture of the author JRCarson
          Originally Posted by davesghostwriting View Post

          Yes I guess it is fulfilling. I have recently started with Amazon a bit myself. Thinking about Jim Cockrum's course. Thoughts? "Buy your book" j/k
          Yeah, I would just buy my book...hahaha! ohhhhhh mercy... (they need more emoticons in here)

          No, seriously, I haven't read/watched his course. I'll have to check it out.
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          • Profile picture of the author davesghostwriting
            Also there is a service called fbafinds.com (might be fbafind) it seemed pretty good, I just couldn't afford it. *It list items offered at other sites with the amazon price and potential roi.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSanti7
    Without any real body that regulates online advertising, I think we're gonna see more of these type of ads. I just hope that people would get wise to these outrageous claims and research first before they buy.

    If only more people would know about this forum....
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    • Profile picture of the author DeadGuy
      Originally Posted by JSanti7 View Post

      Without any real body that regulates online advertising, I think we're gonna see more of these type of ads. I just hope that people would get wise to these outrageous claims and research first before they buy.

      If only more people would know about this forum....
      Oh, but there is an agency that regulates every type of advertising in the U.S. It's called the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). Truth in advertising laws have been around for a long time, but only recently have they been heavily policing the IM world. There are a bunch of threads here in the WF on this topic.

      In a nutshell, the laws state that "If you say it, you had better be able to back it up."
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      You are making this work at home stuff way harder than it is. Ready for some sanity? Clear your head and start over.

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  • Profile picture of the author Geeked Labs
    Originally Posted by davesghostwriting View Post

    I see ads all the time from people who claim, I made XXX,XXX.00 dollars or X,XXX,XXX dollars in X days and I will show you how to do this too.

    IMO---

    Wow does that sound tempting. My first question is, if you made that much doing that why aren't you doing it some more? I mean if I had a web site that got me 1K a month, I guess I would have ten or fifteen and go volunteer somewhere when I wasn't working with the sites.

    Maybe you made that selling the method on how to make that money...

    I guess there are those that love what they do, which is great. I also guess there are those who honestly want to teach others a skill to earn them money, that great too.

    Is it just me that sees this? Is there just too much hype in IM?

    I hope this doesn't make anyone mad with me. :rolleyes:

    Dave
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    David,

    For me it's the simple fact that I cannot clone myself nor be in more than 2 places at once. If I found a great way to make a lot of money by investing my time, the only way I can increase my income past 24 hours a day is by separating my time from the equation which usually means selling my method.
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  • Profile picture of the author MSC
    After new FTC guidelines you can spit less and less those sites claiming that - "made $132135.32 in one month".
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  • Profile picture of the author Not So New
    In my opinion it's probably a mix of both ... Some want to make a quick buck and others actually want to help out others that are struggling.

    Who would have thought?

    Shawn
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    • Profile picture of the author Yara
      I'm a newbie. I have been wondering about this exact issue myself. I'm trying to focus on building my sites and at the same time, looking at all these $10,000 in 1 week ads, it's very tempting. The only reason I didn't give in is because I have a limited budget.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
        Originally Posted by Yara View Post

        I'm a newbie. I have been wondering about this exact issue myself. I'm trying to focus on building my sites and at the same time, looking at all these $10,000 in 1 week ads, it's very tempting. The only reason I didn't give in is because I have a limited budget.
        When the only thing in your pocket is fluff, having limited finances can be a great control on over spending, you have to double think before you retreive a your credit card form the spiders webs.

        Nine times out of ten, there is an alternativeway, method, system; whatever, tha won't cost you an arm and a leg.

        Forced disipline can be OK sometimes!?

        Cheers

        Alan
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    95% of the ad claims are definitely purpose built to reach in to the buyers psyche and tickle and tease them. Who knows if the stats are true? I've been at this so long that I'm extremely jaded in ANY advertisement copy I see. I typically look for GOOD peer reviews (no stooge reviews) and an understanding of what is being offered.

    If it's a biz plan, and it's been proven to make xxx amount, then there will always be a nugget of info I could probably spin or apply elsewhere..probably. But almost ALWAYS will you need to do something in order to make that money. Oh, and be aware of those ads that aren't forthcoming with an explanation of all the steps needed (and collateral which must be purchased elsewhere in order for something to work) to make that plan work successfully.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nigelonthenet
    [quote=davesghostwriting;4734037]I see ads all the time from people who claim, I made XXX,XXX.00 dollars or X,XXX,XXX dollars in X days and I will show you how to do this too.

    IMO---

    Wow does that sound tempting. My first question is, if you made that much doing that why aren't you doing it some more? I mean if I had a web site that got me 1K a month, I guess I would have ten or fifteen and go volunteer somewhere when I wasn't working with the sites.

    Maybe you made that selling the method on how to make that money...

    I guess there are those that love what they do, which is great. I also guess there are those who honestly want to teach others a skill to earn them money, that great too.

    Is it just me that sees this? Is there just too much hype in IM?

    I hope this doesn't make anyone mad with me. :rolleyes:

    Dave


    Actually, reading your post reminded me, of a young lady on Facebook, telling me that she was earning money regularly on a internet slot machine game, which she claimed was totally 'Free' to play??? I would be worried if that was my business lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex.R
    I see ads all the time from people who claim, I made XXX,XXX.00 dollars or X,XXX,XXX dollars in X days and I will show you how to do this too.

    IMO---

    Wow does that sound tempting. My first question is, if you made that much doing that why aren't you doing it some more? I mean if I had a web site that got me 1K a month, I guess I would have ten or fifteen and go volunteer somewhere when I wasn't working with the sites.
    All the people who are showing these figures of how much they are making doing X.Y, and Z, they want you to buy into this, but this is not what they are doing to make there money. But it is easy to fall into this marketing trap when you are just starting out, all the time there are new people coming into IM and these are the poeple they are aiming for.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by davesghostwriting View Post

    Wow does that sound tempting. My first question is, if you made that much doing that why aren't you doing it some more?
    I charge $50 to write a 500 word article. It takes me twenty minutes. That's $150 an hour! I could make... $300k a year doing that! So why don't I do that all day?!

    Because it sucks, and I hate it.

    I used to sell a product called the .357 Article Method which taught how you could write articles yourself. Wouldn't make you a $50 article writer, but it would sure as hell make you a $10 article writer.

    Now I give that same product away for an opt-in at http://357articlemethod.com ...


    ... because to be perfectly honest I just never felt like "go do this thing I hate" was something I should be taking people's money for saying.

    But I will never tell you that something you hate and don't want to do isn't worth people's money. There's lots of stuff I hate and don't want to do (like affiliate marketing and AdSense and CPA), but that I know pretty well you betcha boy howdy.

    And an awful lot of people basically thump me on the head and go "you do know this, they want to know it, they've got money they would be happy to give you for teaching them - WTF is wrong with you?"

    Well, I just plain don't care that much about the money. And don't get me wrong on that - it's perfectly fine to care about the money, and to want more money, and to chase after more money.

    If you farted in a can and put a video of it on YouTube, then auctioned off the can on eBay for $800, I think you have absolutely every right to make a hotsheet about that and sell two thousand copies of it for $6 in the WSO forum with a $20 upsell about how you monetised the YouTube traffic even after the can was sold. And I'd actually advise it, because farting in a can and putting it on YouTube is probably not a sustainable business model.

    Which is the other reason people do this. Because the method they've used doesn't scale. Because they can't use it over and over. Because for some reason or other, their "$86k in one hour" only works once every six months or so, and even then only works about a quarter of the time.

    So you can try it twice a year, and every other year it will work once. That's not really $86k in one hour, it's $86k in two years... but with only four hours work, so you can have like, a real job or something in the meantime.

    But that's still worth some cash, isn't it? Sure, not a sustainable business. But if you could average an extra $43k a year by just adding another four hours to your workload, isn't that worth it in the long run? Why wouldn't you pay a couple hundred bucks for that? Even if you paid $400 for it, you'll recoup more than ten times your investment year after year starting within two years on the average. Where else are you going to get that kind of ROI?

    Meanwhile, the WSO Forum Moron Corps is doing math on it and saying "THAT'S $172 MILLION A YEAR YOU LYING CORKSUCKER YOU DO NOT MAKE THAT KIND OF MONEY" because they're stupid.

    Truth be told, the average WSO vendor is no more dishonest than the average person on the street. But the average person on the street is selfish and inconsiderate and doesn't give a crap about you. That's not because something's wrong with you, or with them, but because they're too bound up in their own stuff to care about yours.

    It's no different with me. People whinge and complain at me that I haven't been selling my product creation courses and they want to buy them, but I don't care. I'm too bound up in my own issues around what I want to sell and how I want to sell it and what I want my personal brand to be five years from now.

    I like to think my issues are more important than the guy who just wants to make $10k a month selling offline WSOs, but they're not. They're just mine instead of his.

    It's all about perspective. Most of the people selling WSOs are doing that because it's easier than doing what their WSO is about. But if they didn't go out and do something for their WSO to be about in the first place, they wouldn't have a decent WSO.
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  • Profile picture of the author the lord
    they may show evidence of it to make the spirit of others. they are doing multiplication of income they achieve.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Is there too much hype?

    Yes.

    Are there lots of lies?

    Yes.

    Do people making good money share what works so others can make money?

    Yes.

    Just because someone is making money doesn't mean they will just stop helping others and protect their knowledge selfishly.

    If you think this - that says more about you than them.
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    nothing to see here.

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