Where to sell my casino gambling book?

jade69

13 years ago

What is the name of the book?

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Don Luis Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by jade69

What is the name of the book?

I don't have a name for it yet.
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jchengery

13 years ago

Hello Don,

Good luck with your book. :-)

You should probably come up with a name for it first, as well as the price you plan to sell it for. Both of those points would probably help you to determine where you would sell it at.

Just to make sure, is this an ebook or a physical book? I'm presuming it's an ebook because you mentioned CB, and if I'm correct, CB only deals in digital products.

Presuming it's an ebook, ClickBank would certainly be a good place, especially if the price isn't too high. Most CB products aren't too high in price (say, thousands of dollars; I have seen some products in the hundreds, though many products are usually $97 or less).

Amazon could be a good place too, though if you're referring to the Kindle store, it seems a lot of those Kindle books are sold at cheaper prices, so I'm not sure if your book would sell as well there, being that I suspect your book will sell for more than just a few dollars (guessing it will be $47+?).

However, you may be able to sell an introduction to the book (say, Chapter 1) for a tiny price (a few dollars, for example), then have a link inside that leads them to buying the whole book at the price you state or even at a slighter cheaper than regular price to give the person credit for buying your Kindle ebook. For instance, if you plan on charging $47 for your book and want to sell a Kindle book that shows Chapter 1 and a preview of the rest of the book for $2, you could set up a page that would allow them to buy the entire book for $45; that way, they'd only pay $47 for the whole book, just as others did via ClickBank. That way, they wouldn't feel like they got cheated or duped for buying the introductory Kindle book.

You should probably confer with someone who has more experience selling on Kindle than I do - I have heard of this method to bring in more business for various websites, and I believe it's legal, but always double-check to be sure first.

Alternatively, you may be able to sell the entire book on Kindle for the whole $47 (or whatever price you set) amount; just, from my experience, many Kindle books sell cheaper than that, so I'm not sure how much success you'd have selling your book at a higher price tag. You could experiment and see; plus, as mentioned, I'd confer with those who have more Kindle selling experience before proceeding.

I hope this is helpful - good luck in selling your new book!

Take care and have a great day!

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Don Luis Banned 13 years ago

Thank you for your advice, Joe. It's an ebook. It's a system developed by my Dad who used to frequent the casinos and win big money. Now he has a health problem so he wanted to sell his system to people who want to win in the casinos.

I'm thinking about offering both digital and paper versions of the book. So I'm leaning towards the Clickbank route but I'm also considering Lulu. I'm also looking into the Kindle marketplace, but I don't have a Kindle reader or Ipad so I don't know how to set this up.
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- hardraysnight 13 years ago
  
  most casino books are scams but people continue to buy them
  
  the online gambling industry has a terrible reputation and it is getting harder to promote these items
  
  to maintain crediblity, you need to be careful with affiliates, there are so many prostitues that will promote anything just for the fee
  
  the punter is used to seeing glowing testimonials and bikini and red sports cars but there are still buyers
  
  i have yet to see a casino system that actually works consistently. but i have seen sports betting systems that do work
  
  i used to be asked to affiliate and comment on new systems but do not get asked much any more, because i wish to maintain my existing client base and integrity and would never recommend anything without trying it for a couple of months before putting pen to paper
  
  most new systems are found on the internet within a couple of days of release anyway, some even before they are opened
  
  you will always find the mug market, but have a lot of work to do to gain the internet of the serious betting fraternity
  
  feel free to contact as i do know the market
  
  good luck
  
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jono78

12 years ago

what about advertising on gambling related sites. either as an affiliate scheme or home page link exchange.

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SEO Eddie

12 years ago

'revolutionary casino gambling system'?

I'm sorry, but it's sounding a bit scammy already, given that you almost certainly don't have an edge.

I wonder what the sales page will promise people:

'Buy this guide and lose your money'?

Probably not

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Newbieee

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Eddie78

'revolutionary casino gambling system'?

I'm sorry, but it's sounding a bit scammy already, given that you almost certainly don't have an edge.

I wonder what the sales page will promise people:

'Buy this guide and lose your money'?

Probably not

in a way i agree.

no offense.. but i was thinking if it works why not just use ur father's method and earn money by doing it urself. =)

if lets say given the benefit of doubt lets say it works like a charm.
the more people use it or do it the casino will have a new regulation or rule to bann that.

i would rather use it and cash in myself.

casinos dont care if 1 person wins, or constantly win for that matter, its not enough to make them do something, because they have so many other punters that are losing to cover up.

but if everyone starts using a "winning" method, which doesnt exist IMO of cos, then sooner or later u spoil ur own winning method whhen they close down on it.

after all casino is a business and no business will want to run on a losing end.

=)

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Don Luis

Banned 12 years ago

Hey guys! Thanks for your "apprehensions" about my gambling system. I know that people have the right to be skeptical especially if it's about something that promises to make you money, but I have read the ebook and I believe that it works. There's nothing magical or mystical about it because it's based on existing systems but my father added a new twist to it to make it even more effective and powerful.

Casinos are aware of these systems and although they have put up measures in place to counter them, for the most part they tolerate them. Casinos have realized that if they put up strong countermeasures against these systems, people would be turned off and refuse to play because it's now more difficult to win. They tolerate and even promote the use of such systems because these systems give "hope" to players thinking that they can beat the casinos, so they'll spend more money.

There are systems that actually work, so to say that gambling systems are scams is not true. People who follow a tested and proven gambling system will minimize his losses and maximize his winnings so that at the end of the day, he leaves the casino with a profit. Any gambling system that advocates something like "you will win millions" should be avoided at all costs. What I have is a gambling system that is based on tested and proven systems, but my father modified it and added his own computations to make it more powerful and "fool-proof" if followed to the letter.

So why am I selling this system? My father actually has a health problem so he can no longer frequent the casinos. If he's healthy he wouldn't have tried to sell his system because he can make as much money as he can from it.

He's not worried about his system getting "saturated" because only those who follow the system to the letter can benefit from it. He wants to market his ebook to people who are interested in an effective and powerful gambling system, and actually make the effort to follow and apply it, not those guys who wants to hit the jackpot and earn a million bucks in a few weeks.

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Newbieee

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Luis

Hey guys! Thanks for your "apprehensions" about my gambling system. I know that people have the right to be skeptical especially if it's about something that promises to make you money, but I have read the ebook and I believe that it works. There's nothing magical or mystical about it because it's based on existing systems but my father added a new twist to it to make it even more effective and powerful.

Casinos are aware of these systems and although they have put up measures in place to counter them, for the most part they tolerate them. Casinos have realized that if they put up strong countermeasures against these systems, people would be turned off and refuse to play because it's now more difficult to win. They tolerate and even promote the use of such systems because these systems give "hope" to players thinking that they can beat the casinos, so they'll spend more money.

There are systems that actually work, so to say that gambling systems are scams is not true. People who follow a tested and proven gambling system will minimize his losses and maximize his winnings so that at the end of the day, he leaves the casino with a profit. Any gambling system that advocates something like "you will win millions" should be avoided at all costs. What I have is a gambling system that is based on tested and proven systems, but my father modified it and added his own computations to make it more powerful and "fool-proof" if followed to the letter.

So why am I selling this system? My father actually has a health problem so he can no longer frequent the casinos. If he's healthy he wouldn't have tried to sell his system because he can make as much money as he can from it.

He's not worried about his system getting "saturated" because only those who follow the system to the letter can benefit from it. He wants to market his ebook to people who are interested in an effective and powerful gambling system, and actually make the effort to follow and apply it, not those guys who wants to hit the jackpot and earn a million bucks in a few weeks.

i would love to be proven wrong. but i did a fair bit of trying and testing and even coming up with my system and mix matching all kinds of methods.

and i found 1 thing. no matter what system, u may think u win, but in the long run u lose.

systems cannot guarantee u 100% wins, all systems tell u that its about minimizing ur loss and increasing ur gains. that is called edge.
and sadly the edge is with casinos. meaning in the long run u will lose.

maybe today u are profitable, maybe in a week u can be profitable, or maybe even a month. but when u put a year or more then u will see that u are actually in loss. unless if u have been doing it for at least 10 years and overall calculated a profit, and individually each month is a positive ROI. [not average positive, but individual monthly net positive]

As albert einstein said "The only way to beat Roulette is to steal the money when the dealer's not looking."

He also said something similar about house edge, basically all casino games have house edge which is there for 1 purpose, for them to win in the long run which means its for u to lose.

oh this is what i saw from wikipedia : Casino games generally provide a predictable long-term advantage to the casino, or "house", while offering the player the possibility of a large short-term payout.

yes tru skillful playing u can increase ur edge, but it is impossible to turn the tables and be totally on edge agaisnt the casinos.. that is just impossible.

BUT PLSsssss prove me wrong, as much as i like to win this argument, i am very much interested in a proven method. =)

oh btw the method is doable in offline casinos or online?

if offline then it must be practical, meaning: i have seen some guides that teach u how to count and what not, and they either need u to have GOD like memory or u have to write on a notepad which casinos dont allow. or the method requires u to look out for too many things that its just not possible for the normal human being to do.

So i would be interested to see ur stuff.
I would be glad to be ur 1st customer and review it for u.
But tell me the price u want to sell 1st.

=)

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Cru 12 years ago

I am intrigued, please give us a taste of your system
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hardraysnight

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Newbieee

i would love to be proven wrong. but i did a fair bit of trying and testing and even coming up with my system and mix matching all kinds of methods.

and i found 1 thing. no matter what system, u may think u win, but in the long run u lose.

systems cannot guarantee u 100% wins, all systems tell u that its about minimizing ur loss and increasing ur gains. that is called edge.
and sadly the edge is with casinos. meaning in the long run u will lose.

maybe today u are profitable, maybe in a week u can be profitable, or maybe even a month. but when u put a year or more then u will see that u are actually in loss. unless if u have been doing it for at least 10 years and overall calculated a profit, and individually each month is a positive ROI. [not average positive, but individual monthly net positive]

As albert einstein said "The only way to beat Roulette is to steal the money when the dealer's not looking."

He also said something similar about house edge, basically all casino games have house edge which is there for 1 purpose, for them to win in the long run which means its for u to lose.

oh this is what i saw from wikipedia : Casino games generally provide a predictable long-term advantage to the casino, or "house", while offering the player the possibility of a large short-term payout.

yes tru skillful playing u can increase ur edge, but it is impossible to turn the tables and be totally on edge agaisnt the casinos.. that is just impossible.

BUT PLSsssss prove me wrong, as much as i like to win this argument, i am very much interested in a proven method. =)

oh btw the method is doable in offline casinos or online?

if offline then it must be practical, meaning: i have seen some guides that teach u how to count and what not, and they either need u to have GOD like memory or u have to write on a notepad which casinos dont allow. or the method requires u to look out for too many things that its just not possible for the normal human being to do.

So i would be interested to see ur stuff.
I would be glad to be ur 1st customer and review it for u.
But tell me the price u want to sell 1st.

=)

why do you want to waste your time vetoing a system you are so sure is a loser?

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Newbieee 12 years ago

Originally Posted by oncewerewarriors

why do you want to waste your time vetoing a system you are so sure is a loser?

its called giving it a chance.

cos i was in this line before.

so i want to see what kind of method he has.

one side of me is hoping he can prove me wrong.

the other side is that i know for a fact it cant.

hahahaha

its called mental. lol.!
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airpr23

12 years ago

Please PM me when you have everything setup. I'm run a couple gambling sites, so I maybe interested in becoming an affiliate. Cheers

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hardraysnight

12 years ago

what is the present status of your system

good luck, sounds interesting

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Bruce NewMedia

12 years ago

Don, I used to sell gambling systems and played with them myself...mostly as a hobby.

As mentioned above almost none work over the long term, but a few can work til the long term odds kick in...still they can make losing much slower and for a few, even provide winning stretches. If you ever decide to market it, let me know, I sold a ton of systems, back in the day.
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Willie Crawford

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Luis

My dad and I have a revolutionary casino gambling system that we intend to sell online. I would like to know which is the best way to sell this book? Clickbank? Amazon? Lulu?

I'd offer it as in Kindle version, so that people could actually take it with
them to casinos... to read while taking breaks from gambling.

I would also consider offering it built into an a mobile app, perhaps
with each page streamed from a membership site with other
products and tips offered on the backend. That way, again they
could take the product with them to the casinos on their smart
devices.

In both cases above, properly listing the ebook (at Amazon or
in apps stores) is part of what will get it noticed. Use the right
keywords, a great description, list it in the right categories,
etc.

Willie

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Brendan Vraibel

12 years ago

I'm involved in a gambling company on CB and I can tell you that while a lot of systems are garbage, some do work and are very marketable.

You have to remember that gamblers are the ultimate chasers, probably even more so than IM. It is a desperate niche and the percentage that win I'd assume is less than those who succeed in IM (1% or less, if I were to guess).

Having said that, I've found it pretty tough to market ebooks about gambling. I actually wrote one (mostly just to add credibility to myself) and ended up giving it away to my list.

Gamblers (like nearly everyone else) only want to buy from names that are big in the industry. What will set you apart from everyone else that are pumping these ebooks and systems out like crazy?

Like I said, if it is a quality system and helpful info, it is an evergreen niche and it would be tough NOT to succeed. However if it isn't unique and basically one of a kind, it might be tough to get your feet off the ground.

Best of luck!

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Don Luis

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Newbieee

i would love to be proven wrong. but i did a fair bit of trying and testing and even coming up with my system and mix matching all kinds of methods.

and i found 1 thing. no matter what system, u may think u win, but in the long run u lose.

systems cannot guarantee u 100% wins, all systems tell u that its about minimizing ur loss and increasing ur gains. that is called edge.
and sadly the edge is with casinos. meaning in the long run u will lose.

maybe today u are profitable, maybe in a week u can be profitable, or maybe even a month. but when u put a year or more then u will see that u are actually in loss. unless if u have been doing it for at least 10 years and overall calculated a profit, and individually each month is a positive ROI. [not average positive, but individual monthly net positive]

I understand those things about house edge, casino advantage, odds, etc.. If you are just playing with no strategy in place and just relying on pure luck, then in the long run, your losses will offset whatever winnings you have made. That is because of the built-in house edge which ensures that casinos remain as profitable enterprises no matter how many jackpots their players have won.

But with a sound and solid gambling strategy, you can actually reduce the house edge in your favor. This can be done through mathematical systems and strategies such as partnership play. You can't remove the presence of the house edge but you can reduce it significantly so that you will end up with a profit. But of course, if you continue playing and playing because of greed, you will soon lose whatever profits you gained because of the house edge. That's why it is important to have the discipline and to know exactly when to stop playing and call it a night.

My Dad's book will not only focus on gambling strategies that will significantly reduce the house edge in your favor but also on how to be disciplined so that you will end up with a profit. His book doesn't advocate crazy things such as winning millions in craps and roulette, but playing with a disciplined mindset which targets a neat profit at the end of your gambling session.

I have to say that his strategies are a little bit complicated and if you have a fear of math, then this might not be for you. LOL. However, with practice and persistence, you will be able to memorize everything so that you can make the calculations inside your mind while you are playing.

We're planning to release this book before the end of the year so if it's ready, I will inform you so that you can get it a neat discount for your review.

Originally Posted by Cru

I am intrigued, please give us a taste of your system

Well, I'm thinking of offering a few review copies of this book to avid gamblers.

Originally Posted by airpr23

Please PM me when you have everything setup. I'm run a couple gambling sites, so I maybe interested in becoming an affiliate. Cheers

Sure! We will allow affiliates to promote our book once it's ready.

Originally Posted by oncewerewarriors

what is the present status of your system

good luck, sounds interesting

We're still ironing out a few kinks. The book is finished but it needs more polishing (editing and proofreading).

Originally Posted by Bruce NewMedia

Don, I used to sell gambling systems and played with them myself...mostly as a hobby.

As mentioned above almost none work over the long term, but a few can work til the long term odds kick in...still they can make losing much slower and for a few, even provide winning stretches. If you ever decide to market it, let me know, I sold a ton of systems, back in the day.
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Sure Bruce! I will let you know when it's ready.

Originally Posted by Willie Crawford

I'd offer it as in Kindle version, so that people could actually take it with
them to casinos... to read while taking breaks from gambling.

I would also consider offering it built into an a mobile app, perhaps
with each page streamed from a membership site with other
products and tips offered on the backend. That way, again they
could take the product with them to the casinos on their smart
devices.

In both cases above, properly listing the ebook (at Amazon or
in apps stores) is part of what will get it noticed. Use the right
keywords, a great description, list it in the right categories,
etc.

Willie

Thanks for your advice, Willie. We're looking for ways to offer this book for downloading on Kindle.

Originally Posted by B and B

I'm involved in a gambling company on CB and I can tell you that while a lot of systems are garbage, some do work and are very marketable.

You have to remember that gamblers are the ultimate chasers, probably even more so than IM. It is a desperate niche and the percentage that win I'd assume is less than those who succeed in IM (1% or less, if I were to guess).

Having said that, I've found it pretty tough to market ebooks about gambling. I actually wrote one (mostly just to add credibility to myself) and ended up giving it away to my list.

Gamblers (like nearly everyone else) only want to buy from names that are big in the industry. What will set you apart from everyone else that are pumping these ebooks and systems out like crazy?

Like I said, if it is a quality system and helpful info, it is an evergreen niche and it would be tough NOT to succeed. However if it isn't unique and basically one of a kind, it might be tough to get your feet off the ground.

Best of luck!

Thanks for your advice. I know it's tough to attract the attention of gamblers especially if the book was written by someone who is not well known in the gambling industry. However, I believe that my father has a proven and working gambling system and I have tried it myself on a few online casinos. Although my winnings were small and insignificant to say the least (maybe a combination of luck and using the system), it's still enough proof for me that his system works. I won't guarantee that it will work for everyone because everybody has different mindsets, but if they follow and apply it diligently and faithfully, their chances of winning will increase.

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Newbieee 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Luis

But of course, if you continue playing and playing because of greed, you will soon lose whatever profits you gained because of the house edge.

Hey there,

am i missing something?

ok i dont know this for sure, so i ask you..

im not asking sarcastically here, im really asking you because im want to know.

Playing short periods over a long time frame like 10 years is profitable?

I ask this because from what i think, and i gave some thought to it before, if house edge means no matter what you will lose over a long time playing, it doesnt matter if u play 5 mins each day for 10 years or 50mins each day over 1 year.

So does it make a difference?

I thought the logic of house edge is no matter what, sooner or later you will lose your money back to the casino.
If you play for long burst then the faster your money goes back to them.
if you play short burst but over a long period of time then you will lose your money a lot later..

that is the only difference.

if this is true, then to me, i rather not even start or bother about a short term success. if u get what i mean. because after all if u keep playing, sooner or later all the money goes back to the casino.

So does it make a diff? short burst over long period and long burst over short period.

ie : each day you play for 1hour, in a month 30hours.
and each day you play 5 hours, in 6 days its 30 hours also.

Are there any difference in this 30 hours? Or both are the same.
To me i think both are the same.
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nicnac03

12 years ago

I would suggest starting with Clickbank. You get more exposure and can potentially get affiliates to help you sell your book.

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Toasted75

12 years ago

I've had quite a bit of experience in the gambling sector and like most comments above agree that pretty much all 'systems' are scams - the fact you qualified it with 'But of course, if you continue playing and playing because of greed, you will soon lose whatever profits you gained because of the house edge.' kind of proves it with a big red flashing light... if it doesn't work long-term it doesn't work - even the most ludicrous system can show a profit when some short-mid term luck is involved.

Let me guess - you're doubling your bet on roulette every time you lose until you win? or are you playing blackjack using a variation of the Martingale system (actually there are a lot more things you can be doing, but those two seem to come up a lot).

...back to your question though - as for marketing it, the best way IMO would be to partner with some high traffic gambling site, get them to promote it and make sure you offer all the main gambling-site payment methods (i.e. Neteller etc.) as options for purchase... if it's poker related (even if it's not) setup an account on PokerStars and allow people to transfer you the money that way - you'll get a lot more traction with all the desperate gamblers who have money in their gambling accounts willing to buy as they don't need to justify the costs to themselves (or more importantly their wives/partners!) and can fund it easily whenever they have a little win.

Go down that path, would work a heck of a lot better than click-bank as most gambling-affiliate marketers don't usually even look at clickbank at all as the casinos and poker rooms have way more profitable things to promote.

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