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If not, then why not?

If you do, why do you, and what's your best tip?
#outsource
  • Profile picture of the author jade69
    Here are some nice outsourcing tips: Outsourcing: Benefits and Companies
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    I was going to start a new thread about this but I'll just post here instead.

    Yes, I absolutely outsource.

    Listen, especially those Newbies or those of you who are struggling. Think of it this way:

    Imagine you want to open a store. You have to hire an architect to design the building, get the surveys done, hire a few different construction companies, plumbers and electricians... Buy inventory or manufacture it yourself, hire a clerk and a manager and a janitor and a bookkeeper and on and on and on.

    Now, most people who are trying to start an online business are doing all of these jobs themselves. That's fine and great-- Maybe you're broke, or maybe you're greedy and you just want all of those paychecks for yourself.


    But outsourcing saves time. It allows you to get more done, which means more profit, and faster. Not to mention it gets done better when it is done by someone who is specialized in one area, rather than yourself playing jack of all trades and master of none.

    There are a few things you should probably never outsource, such as the supervision of your projects and probably your sales copy... You should probably be very hands-on with those.

    And of course if you are broke, that's fine, do all the work yourself... Just don't get frustrated. Keep in mind that you are doing the jobs of like 30 people, just as if you were building a physical store. It's a lot more work but when it is done, you get 30 paychecks.



    My best tip? Hire fellow Warriors. I see a lot of tips about Elance and Odesk and all that, but seriously some of the best work I've gotten has been from fellow Warriors... They appreciate it having the opportunity to learn from you while simultaneously earning some cash for their own projects. They do a great job because their reputation as a Warrior is on the line.


    Yes, you are going to get burned, and sometimes they won't meet deadlines or the work will suck. That's a reality of outsourcing and it happens everywhere.


    Nonetheless, the best advice I could give for outsourcing is this:

    1. Do it
    2. Hire fellow Warriors


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    • Profile picture of the author jackwebson
      Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

      I was going to start a new thread about this but I'll just post here instead.

      Yes, I absolutely outsource.

      Listen, especially those Newbies or those of you who are struggling. Think of it this way:

      Imagine you want to open a store. You have to hire an architect to design the building, get the surveys done, hire a few different construction companies, plumbers and electricians... Buy inventory or manufacture it yourself, hire a clerk and a manager and a janitor and a bookkeeper and on and on and on.

      Now, most people who are trying to start an online business are doing all of these jobs themselves. That's fine and great-- Maybe you're broke, or maybe you're greedy and you just want all of those paychecks for yourself.


      But outsourcing saves time. It allows you to get more done, which means more profit, and faster. Not to mention it gets done better when it is done by someone who is specialized in one area, rather than yourself playing jack of all trades and master of none.

      There are a few things you should probably never outsource, such as the supervision of your projects and probably your sales copy... You should probably be very hands-on with those.

      And of course if you are broke, that's fine, do all the work yourself... Just don't get frustrated. Keep in mind that you are doing the jobs of like 30 people, just as if you were building a physical store. It's a lot more work but when it is done, you get 30 paychecks.



      My best tip? Hire fellow Warriors. I see a lot of tips about Elance and Odesk and all that, but seriously some of the best work I've gotten has been from fellow Warriors... They appreciate it having the opportunity to learn from you while simultaneously earning some cash for their own projects. They do a great job because their reputation as a Warrior is on the line.


      Yes, you are going to get burned, and sometimes they won't meet deadlines or the work will suck. That's a reality of outsourcing and it happens everywhere.
      Very well explained Mike. Maybe if we are going to put it in a nutshell outsourcing saves time and doing your own saves money. lol (I know this is not always the case)
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    • Profile picture of the author scsheldon33
      Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

      I was going to start a new thread about this but I'll just post here instead.

      Yes, I absolutely outsource.

      Listen, especially those Newbies or those of you who are struggling. Think of it this way:

      Imagine you want to open a store. You have to hire an architect to design the building, get the surveys done, hire a few different construction companies, plumbers and electricians... Buy inventory or manufacture it yourself, hire a clerk and a manager and a janitor and a bookkeeper and on and on and on.

      Now, most people who are trying to start an online business are doing all of these jobs themselves. That's fine and great-- Maybe you're broke, or maybe you're greedy and you just want all of those paychecks for yourself.


      But outsourcing saves time. It allows you to get more done, which means more profit, and faster. Not to mention it gets done better when it is done by someone who is specialized in one area, rather than yourself playing jack of all trades and master of none.

      There are a few things you should probably never outsource, such as the supervision of your projects and probably your sales copy... You should probably be very hands-on with those.

      And of course if you are broke, that's fine, do all the work yourself... Just don't get frustrated. Keep in mind that you are doing the jobs of like 30 people, just as if you were building a physical store. It's a lot more work but when it is done, you get 30 paychecks.



      My best tip? Hire fellow Warriors. I see a lot of tips about Elance and Odesk and all that, but seriously some of the best work I've gotten has been from fellow Warriors... They appreciate it having the opportunity to learn from you while simultaneously earning some cash for their own projects. They do a great job because their reputation as a Warrior is on the line.


      Yes, you are going to get burned, and sometimes they won't meet deadlines or the work will suck. That's a reality of outsourcing and it happens everywhere.


      Nonetheless, the best advice I could give for outsourcing is this:

      1. Do it
      2. Hire fellow Warriors


      --Michael W. Tucker
      This is a very helpful post dude

      I'm in to hiring fellow warriors as well...There are lots of great people here in WF and they're
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    Must outsource if you want to grow your business faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author NathanBai
    Yes! I personally train then for around 2 days then...we are all set to go
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    • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
      Originally Posted by NathanBai View Post

      Yes! I personally train then for around 2 days then...we are all set to go
      I don't mean this to sound harsh, but WHY? If you're hiring professionals (and that's what *true* outsourcing is - hiring professionals that can take on tasks that you don't want to/don't know how to), why do you need to train them? If you know more about the task then they do, should they really be handling it? And, is that really the best use of your time? My guess is "no" to both. Remember, time is money!

      As for the OP's question, technically I outsource. Even though I proofread every order that our company fulfills, I don't personally write everything myself. Instead, I've found people that I know professionally (people who I know, people who have the right training and expertise, and people who I trust to do as good of a job as I would do).

      My advice? Take some time to search for the "right" people to outsource to. As anonymous as the world wide web can be, you can still get to know people and trust them with your work. Once you try to cut corners (by not crossing your T's and dotting your I's to begin with), that's when outsourcing becomes counterproductive - from both a time and money standpoint.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wide
        Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett View Post

        I don't mean this to sound harsh, but WHY? If you're hiring professionals (and that's what *true* outsourcing is - hiring professionals that can take on tasks that you don't want to/don't know how to), why do you need to train them? If you know more about the task then they do, should they really be handling it? And, is that really the best use of your time? My guess is "no" to both. Remember, time is money!
        Everybody need training, otherwise you can't expect to get the job done the way you want too. This count both offline and online businesses, all businesses.

        Example: You might have been working in an office for 10 years. You then get a similar job at another company. The new job is similar, but you still need a bit of training, so your results/work match the requirements from the new business.

        Thinking only unskilled people need training is wrong.
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        • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
          Originally Posted by Wide View Post

          Everybody need training, otherwise you can't expect to get the job done the way you want too. This count both offline and online businesses, all businesses.

          Example: You might have been working in an office for 10 years. You then get a similar job at another company. The new job is similar, but you still need a bit of training, so your results/work match the requirements from the new business.

          Thinking only unskilled people need training is wrong.
          With all due respect, if my clients tried to "train" me to write, I would think they were a little off. I graduated with honors from a top journalism school and spent more than a decade writing for newspapers and TV stations around the country... I don't need people to "teach" me about writing. My college professors and news directors did that already

          And, remember, a big part of what they're paying me for (and what your freelancers are charging you for) is for my expertise! Without those credentials, I wouldn't have any right to charge them more than a couple bucks for an article.

          Could they give me specific instructions as to how they want their order completed? Absolutely, and I encourage them to do that. But that's a big difference from "training" someone *how* to do the job.

          If you're training your freelancers (beyond some specific guidelines that you'd like them to follow), you're wasting your time. Period.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiguy
    yes, absolutely.

    I outsource some services as it helps do more things at a time and promote projects more quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author raleigh
    Yes, I do outsource. Makes the job faster and productivity better by distributing the workload.

    I usually find good people from freelancer and odesk. You just have to screen them and train them to your standards which may take less than a week, couple of days even and you're set.
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    • Profile picture of the author seoblacksmith
      Mainly, the reasons for outsourcing are the following:

      1. work force
      2. work load
      3. budget
      4. start ups
      5. and less headache

      Imagine, if you are just starting with online business and you don't have much capital to handle a lot of clients. You have to consider your work force as well as the budget for their services. Also, you need to consider the resources like computers, internet, office, SEO tools, etc.

      The work load per campaign should also need to be consider just in case you have your own staffs. does it match the work force?

      Budget is one of the most important factor in online business. You can't run (fully) without a back up fund to run a company.

      Most of the start up companies nowadays are more intelligent than before. One of the most popular field for start up companies are diving in to the SEO reseller's world.

      Lastly, if you outsource the services you cater, you wont have to mind all the resources you need to run the company.
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  • Profile picture of the author shubham
    If you want to grow your business then you have to outsource ,,,,
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathy Curiel
    I outsource and my best tip is : odesk !!
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  • Profile picture of the author savvybizbuilder
    I outsourced mostly the task that are time consuming and not so important. It will allow you to have more time for your company.
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  • Profile picture of the author WikiWarrior
    I've been outsourcing for a while and thoroughly recommend it. Michael has given some great advice and I echo the suggestion to look first to other Warriors to work with you. I've been working with one guy for over a year, another for about 7-8 months who does all my graphics and I just recruited someone from ODesk who does programming. The leverage you gain from being able to get so much more done in less time far outweighs the extra cost of paying freelancers and if done right will put your business "on steroids".

    The way I have gone about it is to start out small. Find little projects or tasks you can outsource with little risk to your core business and then research and recruit someone you think you'll gel with and/or has plenty of feedback. Build up some rapport and trust through the work they do for you and gradually increase their workload and responsiblity. You'll get a few dud recruits from time to time, that's a given, but if you do it this way, recruit carefully and start off small, outsourcing will help you reach your goals faster.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by YOUniversityLife View Post

      I've been outsourcing for a while and thoroughly recommend it. Michael has given some great advice and I echo the suggestion to look first to other Warriors to work with you. I've been working with one guy for over a year, another for about 7-8 months who does all my graphics and I just recruited someone from ODesk who does programming. The leverage you gain from being able to get so much more done in less time far outweighs the extra cost of paying freelancers and if done right will put your business "on steroids".

      The way I have gone about it is to start out small. Find little projects or tasks you can outsource with little risk to your core business and then research and recruit someone you think you'll gel with and/or has plenty of feedback. Build up some rapport and trust through the work they do for you and gradually increase their workload and responsiblity. You'll get a few dud recruits from time to time, that's a given, but if you do it this way, recruit carefully and start off small, outsourcing will help you reach your goals faster.


      Very great point... Start out small, especially if you have trust and intimacy issues.


      Especially for those little, time-consuming tasks that need to be done, but having them outsourced could allow you to be more productive in other important areas.
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  • Profile picture of the author Toniy
    Personally... I don't outsource. But not because I disagree with it.

    I have trust and intimacy issues... :p

    I'm playing... I 'would' outsource things like... Graphics, site design maybe... but that's about it at the moment.

    I write my own content, my own copy, create my own products, do my own admin, gather my own clients etc. etc.

    But then the concept is to GROW your business, right?

    See I'm still developing the business... however I can see how quite soon it'll hit the point where I do need to outsource, partly because I don't exactly love the work, and partly because I'd like to have a life

    So the question could be, How soon do you think a person should outsource?

    I like to know my business from the ground up, and I honestly would have trouble trusting that an outsource would have the same dedication to quality that I do... but again, I haven't really looked into it.
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    • Profile picture of the author budin
      No because I don't have money..

      I will outsource if I have money, It'll definitely increase your productivity and safe a lot of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author myeanne
    focusing to your core business is the main objective of outsourcing. however, you need to find the right company who will provide you trained and expert staff. Do not just get and trust a freelancer. Outsourcing has team leaders and supervisors who are checking your staff from time to time to assure you that you're not wasting any single penny.
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  • Profile picture of the author elitewms
    outsourcing work can be work in itself. you have to be very well organized make sure to build a team focused on every aspect of creating a website, from unique articles, sales copy, backlinks, seo etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author UncleDearest
      Originally Posted by elitewms View Post

      outsourcing work can be work in itself. you have to be very well organized make sure to build a team focused on every aspect of creating a website, from unique articles, sales copy, backlinks, seo etc.
      I've found it for the most part to be more work and aggravation than I can stand. I do outsource a lot of writing, as it is time consuming, but I write a lot of my own content too. I pay well for articles and have a few people I use on a regular basis for writing content.

      I will outsource simple things like "fixes" and such as I'm a complete dummy on techie issues. Banners, eBook covers, graphics, yes I outsource them. Just nothing that has to do with "running" my business. Too many horrible experiences.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisAlta
    Originally Posted by grimace_86 View Post

    If not, then why not?

    If you do, why do you, and what's your best tip?
    It goes back to the old saying.."if you want it done right, do it yourself!"

    Honestly it's all personal preference. If you are a very picky person and have the my way or the highway mentality then go ahead and learn code yourself, learn how to spin articles yourself, learn SEO yourself, learn how to create squeeze pages yourself, etc. (basically everything yourself)

    But If you just want the end result (to help people and earn lots of money doing it from the comfort of your home or laptop wherever you are)

    Then just invest a small amount of money and get it done fast, and from someone who knows what they're doing.

    personally I've found success using Fiverr.

    most people worry about the looks of everything they're creating rather than the content and getting things ranked and up. Once you get things ranked, and just functioning; be it your website, iPhone app, product, squeeze page, etc..then you'll pop a few sales. But your appearance should be the last thing.

    Leverage your time so that you'll make more money online when you aren't working ya know?

    what were you planning on outsourcing?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeanne Lovely
    I outsource allot of my projects. I use an article writing source when I get stuck, I use Odesk to transcribe, and a web master to do some of the finishing touches to my sites.

    I find that when I am busy with creating I cannot get bogged down with the small things.

    These things have helped me move forward - at first I tried to do it all and did not do any of it well - now I pass t out and get to do the things I like.
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  • Profile picture of the author zhianzee
    Yes I do because it gives me cheaper labor cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Y
    Yes, I do outsource a lot of my online project. It allows me to get a lot more accomplish, since I'm a part-time IMer. I use the Warrior For Hire section and oDesk for my outsources.

    My #1 tip is to be very specific when discussing expectations and tasked with your
    outsourcer. It saves you a lot of money in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveMobile
    Currently, I do not outsource because of the lack of funds. However, there are other ways to attract traffic to your site. Once I start to make some money, outsourcing will help to multiply the amount of places I can advertise.
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  • Profile picture of the author trevorf
    Right now, I basically do everything myself. Mostly because I enjoy it. But I do look forward to the day when I can lighten my workload and have a team of people behind me to support me.

    It's always interesting to see how and why other people do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenjacobs
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    I outsource everything, why because I am lazy, that is why people get into Internet marketing. So they don't have to work as much
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by Wide View Post

      Everybody need training, otherwise you can't expect to get the job done the way you want too. This count both offline and online businesses, all businesses.

      Example: You might have been working in an office for 10 years. You then get a similar job at another company. The new job is similar, but you still need a bit of training, so your results/work match the requirements from the new business.

      Thinking only unskilled people need training is wrong.

      This is a good point and a good example, and I see your point. I have seen great people shake their fists at the sky because they were thrown out to sink or swim and their employers skipped the fundamentals.

      With most professionals, however, you should be able to automate most of this, giving a pdf or MP3 of what to expect from them, and how to do specific parts of your business the way you like it done.





      Originally Posted by stevenjacobs View Post

      I outsource everything, why because I am lazy, that is why people get into Internet marketing. So they don't have to work as much

      That and breakfast... I like to sleep late, but then I had to rush to work and missed breakfast. With IM, I can finally sleep as long as I want and eat breakfast at any time of day that I choose. MMM.... eggs and bacon....
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  • Profile picture of the author r2r
    Outsource is the best to grow your business and most helpful to us..
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  • Profile picture of the author murrad
    If we outsource our job and we can spare more time to think about other venture. You can have a base and proceed further by giving life to your future projects.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tande
    Yes, i do outsource in odesk and fiverr.
    You have to outsource if you want your site to grow fast.
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  • Profile picture of the author thekaver
    hi,

    yes i outsource alot of things

    why spend an hour doing a $5 job, that you can out source and then spend the hour more wisely doing a £500 job!

    time is money at the end of the day! So it can be cheaper to outsource if we do it effectivelly
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanSupplee
    Yup I outsource my programming and my design work. Only thing I do is content and setting up JV partners which I might outsource the JV partners soon.

    The key is finding someone that works and you can rely on. Once you have those key points in you can build like crazy your imagination is your limit.
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    I regularly outsource. Its helps in speeding things up. Instead of doing 10 things with one brain and two hands, I prefer to outsource my work to 10 different people.

    In outsourcing, just make sure that you properly go through the details with the worker before giving them the project and once you find a good loyal worker, then always go back to him when you have more work.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShawnSells
    The first thing I outsourced as soon as I started making money was backlinking, because I hate doing it. When I sell a website to a business, that's something I have done automatically. I consider it an investment, not an expense.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonPlourde
    My experiences has been that I did not make money online, until I started using the leveraging power of outsourcing. If your not doing it your struggling needlessly and placing a devaluation on your time.
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  • Profile picture of the author RySpencer
    I contstantly outsource, whether it's Odesk or Fiverr, I find great work and I continue to use the same people to do menial tasks.
    When it comes to fiverr, if there is something that takes me an hour to do that is menial, I will hire someone to do it for $5. If I don't do this I am saying to myself that I am only worth $5 an hour, which is not true at all, I am worth $6
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    I use FIVerr to have people proof read my pages. Their quality so far is XLent and then some. Also, my spell check will not catch glaring grammar errors.

    What can we say on copy services. Most fiverr clones are not that good, and the old school services like odesk, elance, guru - are just too expensive.
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  • Profile picture of the author ebusinesstutor
    Yes, I outsource many tasks.

    My top 2 tips:

    1. Fire Quickly - when people become unresponsive or are not doing the job properly, quickly dump them and outsource somewhere else.

    2. Give Video Instructions - when working with programmers and web designers, I find doing a short video showing them what I want is MUCH better than trying to describe it in writing. Faster too. You can use easily create and share video using tools like the free Jing tool from Techsmith.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Wilson
    I only outsource article writing. My tip: when you get a good writer for a low price do not let him go!!! There is at least 90% of crappy content writers out there.
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    I outsource Article Writing and SEO(especially heavy duty stuff).
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