It's not the 'not making money online' part that some people have a problem with.

The problem these people have is with lazy newbies expecting things on a platter.

I am yet to see any post where a newbie with a specific question got flamed. At least not on this forum.

Here, if you ask a question regarding a specific issue, a vast majority (if not all) will surely be willing to help out.

I think another problem that arises is when people ask a question, then get mad because they don't get the answer they were expecting. I know some of the people here can be somewhat 'frank' in the responses they give, but I have yet to see any of them doing it for any reason than a desire to truly help others.

Is called tough love.

Thanks,

John

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It's true a lot of newbies get the blame for "not taking action" on the products that they buy and it's also equally true that many Make Money Online products specifically target newbies with wild promises of nearly instant riches without much work.

Now I have to ask ... what kind of person falls for that line?

A dreamer ... someone who is basically lazy and doesn't really want to learn very much or work very much, but who wants to become rich. They fall for it time and time again, long after they should have come to the realization that there is no free lunch ... no magic bullets.

A person who uses basic common sense does not fall for this kind of pitch. They know that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't true. They realize that some marketers lie and they get good at separating the wheat from the chaff.

Newbies .... you need to roll up your sleeves and learn as much as you can and get down to the hard work of creating a successful online business.

Keep chasing dreams and you will not succeed. Some will say it's your fault and some will say it's the marketers fault, but who cares in the long run. It's up to you NOT to be a sucker for every sales pitch.

I blame the newbies for not buying more of my products.

There... I said it.

Shoot me!

I personally don't like the term newbie that much although I used to use it quite a lot, I think beginner's sounds more respectful and up to date.

We all had to start somewhere and once beginner's get past the get rich quick rubbish and put some work in results will often follow much more quickly.

Blessed are the newbies, for they shall inherit the over hyped, overpriced products.

I feel its a case of you can lead a horse to water....

In my consulting business I deal with alot of 'newbies' as you call them and I give them the tools to help them succeed and I paint them with very shiny pictures because the tools I give them are VERY valuable.

Some fail some succeed, its not the 'reality' as you called it, i would say its more their focus, drive and desire to succeed and what they do with the tools. Most of my clients who purchase my time or my products and fail are the same ones who still rather than learn and actually strive they are still leveling their world of warcraft character or spending 3 hours a day in facebook. The ones that take the tools and knowledge and actually apply it they do succeed.

The reality you describe might be your distorted reality but its NOT the reality of IM overall I can assure you of that.

Who is it that is blaming the newbies and what are we blaming them for? I guess I am confused. Anybody that wants to make a living as an entrepreneur has the tools and instruction readily available to them. Why would I place blame on them for not following through on something and fulfilling their dream? If anybody should be placing any blame, you would think that it would be the newbie blaming himself for not taking the right steps to success.

Thats right, I have found making money on the internet to be VERY DIFFICULT. However, several people make it sound so easy and the newbies are lured thinking that they will earn thousands of dollars in just one night.

My main problem is that the newbies always want to "get rich quick"

None of those people actually end up making money unless they change their attitude.

I think a lot of Warriors on here pretend they're more experienced than they really are and pretend they make a lot more money than they actually do, all in an effort to deceitfully promote sales to the gullible minority. If anything it's a way of life in the IM world.

I have been tricked into believing in the get rich quick scheme many times. The videos showing proof of their income seemed so real, but once I actually started implementing their methods it didn't work out the way I wanted it to. It wasn't the 3 click solution I was looking for.

I was lucky enough to find WF very soon after my venture into IM. I learned that just like any business, it takes hard consistent work and dedication to be successful.

It's not about newbies vs. gurus. It's about being responsible of your own business. And since this IS a business, only YOU (and the business "leader") are accountable/responsible for YOUR business success or failure. Drop the newbie attitude and wisen up, or else YOUR business will never take off.

Is there an over generalization about the newbies being here because they think that it is a fast track to wealth?

I know that supposedly 97.68547% (ish) of people who try to make a living in IM will not do so, but is that because they expected a free ride and didn't get it, or was it more a case of the hurdles just got too big?

I'd love to know the actual data on those that come aboard expecting the free ride .... it would be a sad reflection on society's intelligence if the majority were like that.

WF is a great place, but it is also difficult for newbies to navigate and find the answers to the question that they don't even know they need to ask - so maybe a 'beginner' section of the forum would help to stop the repetitive and sometimes frustrated squeals that come from those trying to legitimately start their careers.

Come on you guys - the newbie has to learn somewhere - I did not believe that I would get rich overnight, and I bought many a shiny object - not to get rich quick, but to learn how to do this business. None of them really taught me anything.

I had to dig in, ask the right questions, get to another point and then research again.

It is hard work and many hours later I have a better understanding of how this all works.

For all the newcomers, just hang in and keep plugging
Try and focus on one thing at a time.

Why not blame it on the capitalist system? Good grief... Newbies are just what they are, "noobs". Noobs from head to feet... don't know which way left or right, up or down, but there will be a select few who will get creative and learn their way towards success, while others will just sit back and think they'll become rich when luck comes their way...

Therefore, not all newbies are to blame. Its just that sadly, the great majority are to blame for their lack of "action".

As a newbie who has had product after product pushed at me offering a magical shiny button that, when pushed, automaitcally makes you a fortune with no effort or required skills, I find this thread ironic.

The majority of newbies are going to expect things served up on a platter because all the sales pitches say that it is just that easy.

What's the blaming game all about? I think those who are into the IM business should not blame the newbies for their unsuccessful attempt in the business, as well as those newbies should not blame the gurus for giving them ideas and tips which they cannot follow. There is no one to blame here but themselves. I mean, for the newbies, they are mostly expecting a silver platter when they will join in the IM world, while the gurus, are trying to post "make money online" for these newbies to try which aren't that easy. Both parties are trying to point a finger to each other, as they are trying to say that what had happen is the other side's fault.

But what I see here is that, there's nothing to point a finger, but to themselves or to yourselves. Newbies are here to really learn and do some IM business to earn money or have a decent stable income. But there are some of them that are expecting a silver platter or have this concept that in the IM business, it is instant money for them. As they read some tips and advises from the gurus who posted in their threads, they mostly would try to emulate what they do and will try to follow the tips that were given to them. The sad part is, they are also expecting instant result which is NOT the ideal or real situation. It takes some time to fully learn from it and "master" it to start earning. And from what had happen to them, they will just blame the gurus for promising or giving them the idea that they can earn as fast as days. For the gurus, they are there to assist and help newbies to their quest in the IM business. They give some helpful tips and advise but to the extent, the newbies doesn't have any idea what they are talking about. I mean, they are using terms which newbies aren't familiar with. Nonetheless, they are there to help but why put the blame on them?

People make decisions as to what they think is right for them to do. They make these decisions without the other party influencing them. They have to face the consequence of their actions and decisions so there should be NO blaming game around here. Let's just help each other.

Every marketer is a newbie one stage in their life....
so when you see someone's just starting, why don't you remember they're no different than your "first moments" when you're walking on their shoes?

Some great thoughts here and I think the consensus has nailed it.

Many IM products are misleading as they seem to promise automatic riches and downplay the amount of work.

Many newbies are just looking for a way to make money and aren't willing to invest the time.

The biggest missing part I see is the lack of customer focus. Newbies often come in asking how to make money. I would rather they said something like: " I know this group of people who have a problem I can help with. Can you suggest ways to get my product to them?"

Those are people I would love to help and those are the people who will be most successful.

The thing is that is easy to make money, the techniques are easy, all is known, backlinking and content. Even keyword density and similar things are known.


The problem is that people are still searching for that passive income. But the hard reality is that working on the internet is as hard as any other job. Nothing comes without you putting something into!

When I first started out I didn't understand anything about IM marketing, I learned about a year later after i have been tricked in the Netherlands with money making methods like email jobs and so. But I learned to work and i learned everything from the English Websites and After Following A couple of Good Courses. I finally got it. I aint no Newbie anymore. But You know You are Learning every time something new Like new traffic methods etc... The only thing is that if you are starting to build a couple of websites on your own like i did and still do. It Might take some time..... But you have to put some effort in it. But I totally LOVE this Job

There are some factors that noobs need to be blamed for (going against my previous post).

Being a noob myself, I didn't want to think about working hard to achieve success. I just assumed that if I put a website online with some product links, profit would just stream in automatically. What I failed to realize was, I am not the only one trying to make a living on the internet. There are millions of people with many more years of experience in online and offline marketing who are trying to sell the products and services as well. So I have to work harder or just as hard as they do in order to make my website profitable.

I just started a month ago and I still haven't made a single dollar from my website yet, but it was really nice finding this forum earlier on because it is great to read success stories for motivation and it is also great to struggle with other beginners and help each other to slowly pave the road to success.

Thank you warriors for your kind advices and congratulations to all the noobs who have found this forum!

Ya know............everyone on this forum was a newbie at one time. Some are still here and most just slipped quietly out the back door - a few went screaming and slamming out the front door -- but over the years a lot of newbies turned into pros.

There were scams all over the net about getting rich over night with no knowledge and no work.........and yet, some of the people falling into the forum with not one whit of an idea of what was going on yet didn't fall for the crap. They used due dilligence and taught themselves what they needed to know. They learned enough to ask the right questions -- and they worked their butts to the bone. Those were not the Warriors that you saw posting little fits about falling for some snake oil salesman because they didn't use their heads and do some due dilligence. They didn't cry because nobody was handing them freebies and spending their own working time on building someone else's business for free.

It's not going to change folks - there are snake oil salesmen and you have to do due dilligence to not get ripped off. You need to know stuff about business to build a business. Nobody owes you a freaking thing and if they do something for you it is a gift not an obligation.

Is it a newbies fault if they don't get where they want to go? Yes. It is anyone's own fault if they don't get where they want to go. Is it a newbies fault if they get ripped off? To be fair, there are con artists who are just damned good and anyone can get caught up - but it's nobody's fault if someone springs more cash than they can afford but the person who springs it - and if no due diligence is done, who's fault would that be if not the person who is going to be paying for the product?

I'm a little burnt on hearing about "poor little newbies". They are in the same boat as the rest of us. We had to learn enough to be able to function and we had to figure out what was real and what was just a pipe dream. We had to distinguish the difference between greed and reality and we had to figure out how to do the work needed to start a business.

So why do people think someone starting now is so much more special, fragile, or entitled than people who started before? It's the same - it's always been the same - and it will always be the same game. Only the names have changed.

"I am not a Newbie... I am a human being"

The virtual Elephant Man.

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I think it's because newbies think it's the easiest way to make money, so they expect to get answers that make things easier, when in fact it isn't easy at all. It takes time and a lot of effort and I think some newbies see that as a "Oh I didn't expect it to be so much work".

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Wow... I can't believe that my thread has been dug and a lot seem to have been said. Well I will like to say I think it is a somewhat a necessary lose for newbies otherwise, they wont appreciate the one they gain. Certain things happen for a reason.