Duplicate content - yes or no?

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In terms of duplicate content with places like Google, I understand that Google 'penalises' those who issue duplicate content over the internet. What does this actually mean?

If you have a unique article which you submit using an article submission service, aren't you duplicating the content across a number of article directories? If that article then gets picked up by another 50 people who distribute it to their lists or use it as content on their squidoo pages for example, isn't the content being further duplicated?

Please offer your thoughts on this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tortue
    There have been quite a few posts/threads about this lately and the consensus seems to be that the duplicate content issue is more of a concern within your own site, versus whats distributed around the net.

    Does anyone out there actually have any concrete proof Google penalizes anyone?
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    • Profile picture of the author innocent07
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      Originally Posted by Tortue View Post

      There have been quite a few posts/threads about this lately and the consensus seems to be that the duplicate content issue is more of a concern within your own site, versus whats distributed around the net.

      Does anyone out there actually have any concrete proof Google penalizes anyone?
      Yes there have been many threads of this.
      So many threads on this infact that there needs to be a seperate forum category called "duplicate content" made in this forum lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tortue
        Originally Posted by innocent07 View Post

        Yes there have been many threads of this.
        So many threads on this infact that there needs to be a seperate forum category called "duplicate content" made in this forum lol.
        Let's petition Allen for one
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Evans
    People who don't know how to promote their websites and suffer from poor search engine rankings like to blame it on the duplicate content penalty.

    I guess they have to blame something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Denton
    i would have thought having your article on many different sites would be 'liked' by Google as at would prove it's popularity. I have read some information stating that you need as many unique articles out there which i agree with however if you have 1000's of backlinks to your site from the same article hosted at different sites then i can't see that being a problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author entry
      Its hard to have control though when people put your article on other domains. then it is duplicated anyway
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  • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Betinis
    Originally Posted by Nathan Denton View Post

    In terms of duplicate content with places like Google, I understand that Google 'penalises' those who issue duplicate content over the internet. What does this actually mean?

    If you have a unique article which you submit using an article submission service, aren't you duplicating the content across a number of article directories? If that article then gets picked up by another 50 people who distribute it to their lists or use it as content on their squidoo pages for example, isn't the content being further duplicated?

    Please offer your thoughts on this.


    Also, please refer to the famous Warrior thread, http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-ploy-not.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
    there's a 'unique content bonus', apparently :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Keyes
      It's called syndication and it's been employed throughout the world long before the Internet came along. People get so hung up about this whole duplicate content thing, it's almost as if they're just hanging on to something to worry about as a means to stop taking action!

      Just take a look around you - at ALL the types of syndication going on and why. Article directories are hugely favored by the serps and one of the key things about them? Their articles get picked up by others for SYNDICATION. Even IF you submitted unique articles you aren't exempt from this, as others are allowed to take your full article (resource box in tact) and syndicate it. Also look at RSS feeds. The entire purpose of RSS is to be able to syndicate your content across more mediums.

      While on the topic look at videos - look how viral some can go, ending up ALL over the place. Certainly google's algorithms aren't dissecting video content but the point is, syndication is a good thing, has it's place and is widely used. Google isn't going to say "Hey your article was found on 20 different sources, we're penalising you!!"

      Anyways - just my opinions from my own experience. Get writing, get busy and take action, stop worrying that you're going to do something wrong because in the end it just stops you from taking any action. Get your "duplicate content" out there and test for yourself if it hinders or helps you, you can then form your own opinions and learn from the process.

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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Much of search engine results weigh heavily on "context".

      A highly focused niche article on a general directory such as EZA will only be given so much weight.

      Now add the same article to an "authority site" on that same niche, then watch the traffic increase exponentially (from personal experience).

      I've seen year old blog posts rise in serps from the right comments being posted.

      I've had year old articles find new life by being posted on a newer authority blog.

      Syndication works.

      Age and duplication is not a factor, as long as the article is quality.

      In my experience, syndication and subsequent duplication has done nothing but help my site rankings and traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I post my own articles on my own site before submitting them and it has always worked for me. If the site that picks up your article for placement gets more traffic and your link is on that site, it's sure not going to hurt you - neither will the readership. I've also been syndicated since the get and that hasn't ever seemed to be a problem either.

    The problem that most have and refuse to recognize is that the writing is trash. Have you ever watched American Idol during the auditions and seen how terrible some people are yet they are convinced they have the voice of an angel? Take another look at the writing that's being posted around - it's complete crap. You WILL be penalized for posting crap - your own or someone else's.

    Also note the relevance. You can branch out a bit from just about any niche and still maintain relevance and you will also be able to kick up some traffic on the keyword hits incidentally generated -- but once you start getting irrelevant you will see your ratings fall. People don't like searching and ending up on irrelevant sites and google tries to avoid having it happen.

    If you look at it from the search engine's point of view - their goal is to provide quality and ease for the searcher. If your site helps them meet that goal, you are going to get good positioning.
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    Oh - BTW -- yes there are a lot of threads covering this topic. That is what "SEARCH" is here for. We don't need new forums, we need people to hit the search box for topics which have most likely been talked about before posting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Denton
      Originally Posted by martinact420 View Post

      duplicate content penalties are a myth, the faster you grasp that, the better off you will be, 90% of the net is duplicate content
      Thanks for your input
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    • Profile picture of the author TZ
      Originally Posted by martinact420 View Post

      ......90% of the net is duplicate content
      And Ba-Bing!!! That is why if you write fresh original content ONLY the search engines love your site.

      Ever tried using one of those content re-writers? You are better off writing 3 truly original articles than spending a day using a re-writer to create 50.

      When you can search a phrase like this is Google;

      "spending a day using a re-writer to create 50"
      You get this of course;

      No results found for "spending a day using a re-writer to create 50"

      So in this one thread there are millions of phrases that are truly unique and this what the search engines see and grade.

      Furthermore, if your domain is ranked and aged (and hopefully a blog that pings) your fresh content will be recorded as the original by the searchies. That gives you "SE cred".

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Here's a blog post on the subject...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/blogs/al...e-content.html

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  • Profile picture of the author tremayne
    It seems to me that if duplicate content were to be penalized there would be no article directories. Just my opinion.

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    • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
      Originally Posted by tremayne View Post

      It seems to me that if duplicate content were to be penalized there would be no article directories. Just my opinion.

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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Denton
        Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

        Great minds think alike, Sydney. That's what I've been saying for over a year now.
        Originally Posted by tremayne View Post

        It seems to me that if duplicate content were to be penalized there would be no article directories. Just my opinion.

        Sydney
        nice to see that there is a consensus here.

        Dont be afriad of so called duplicate content people. The internet is an information sharing resource therefore it is expected that the same content (i.e duplicate) would appear in multiple places across the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Jenkins
    There are 2 kinds of "duplicate" content: On-site and Off.

    For On-Site, the danger is real. If a page shares a domain and the content is too similar to another page sharing the same domain, the page will fall out of the index and when a page falls out of the index the link juice doesn't count.

    The Off-Site kind is mostly irrelevant, except when you're building a closed linking structure among sites you control - so if you're Social Media sites all share the same content, and you link them together and then link THEM to your money site which has the same content, one, or several of the pages involved will have their link authority discounted.

    On-Site = Death

    Off-Site = Be Smart about your network - otherwise, syndicate and distribute your content far and wide.
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  • Profile picture of the author tremayne
    I understand the article directories do not like to see the same article on another directory. For this reason, I make sure my articles are at least 25% different from each other. They are apparently happy with that.

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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Denton
      Originally Posted by tremayne View Post

      I understand the article directories do not like to see the same article on another directory. For this reason, I make sure my articles are at least 25% different from each other. They are apparently happy with that.

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      Thanks for the tip Sydney, How many article directories would you submit your 'varied' articles to? I.e will you re-write each article for 10 different sites or do you only focus on the top 3 directories?
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      • Profile picture of the author tremayne
        Originally Posted by Nathan Denton View Post

        Thanks for the tip Sydney, How many article directories would you submit your 'varied' articles to? I.e will you re-write each article for 10 different sites or do you only focus on the top 3 directories?
        The articles I am running through Content Composer are being spun off into 120 for use in directories, ezines and wherever else I can get them accepted. This takes a tremendous amount of work because to get uniqueness I have two or three alternate words for every word in each article plus paragraph and headline variations. Perhaps I'm too slow, but this takes a day for a 1,000-word article.

        Is it necessary to be so picky? I don't know but I don't want to take chances. (It would be wonderful if I thought I didn't need to do this; the series will take an entire month!)

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  • Originally Posted by Nathan Denton View Post

    If you have a unique article which you submit using an article submission service, aren't you duplicating the content across a number of article directories? If that article then gets picked up by another 50 people who distribute it to their lists or use it as content on their squidoo pages for example, isn't the content being further duplicated?
    Some high authority sites such as Ezinearticles can get away with this, at least to an extent. Part of the reason for this, of course, is because they are commonly the first place someone submits an article to.

    What I would recommend is only using unique content for your own site. If you submit an article to an ezine, you can always take 15 or 20 minutes to re-write that article to make it unique for your own website. It does take extra time, but you won't have to worry about being penalized for duplicate content if you take this extra step.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eswar
      I always submit first to EZA, then to the same content to many artilce directories all are pointing to my blog. (I use the same content on blog too.).

      I always get traffic from ezine articles, other directories and from searchengines.:rolleyes:

      Duplicate content is a Myth!
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  • Profile picture of the author Solidsnake
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    Okay here is a simple explanation based on my own experience...

    During the time I was promoting my former blog (myseoblog.net), there were 6 high competitive keywords that puts that blog into 1st and second place of first page of google. That situation lasted for 6 months and the positions were really untouchable considering that here were around 56 backlinks from article sites coming from the same articles. I had no problem with it... That article that I posted multiple times was not posted on my main site... the article was just for directories...

    Problem occured when I wrote about How to decrease bounce rate... I posted the original article on my blog and to my stupidity, I posted the same article at digitalpoint, sitepoint, and dreamteammoney forums...

    Boom! after 48 hours, my 1st and second positions in google were lost. Myseoblog.net that time was geting around 800 google traffic per day and during the banning period, the 800 dropped to mere 20 per day... That was a real big penalty that I lost 80% of my google earnings... The penalty lasted for 11 days and after I edited my posts in those 3 forums, I regained my positions...

    So... to answer the OP, there is no problem posting an article hundred times as long as it is not posted in your site!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author fullmatrix
    If you ask, thats a sign that you never tried.

    Try it and you'll see the answer, what are you afraid of?

    **BTW I use duplicate contents all the time, I love them and google love me for loving them lol
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    • Profile picture of the author tremayne
      There's an interesting point in the Google Webmaster Blog above. It says:

      "Most search engines strive for a certain level of variety; they want to show you ten different results on a search results page, not ten different URLs that all have the same content. To this end, Google tries to filter out duplicate documents so that users experience less redundancy. You can find details in this blog post, which states:

      When we detect duplicate content, such as through variations caused by URL parameters, we group the duplicate URLs into one cluster.
      We select what we think is the "best" URL to represent the cluster in search results.
      We then consolidate properties of the URLs in the cluster, such as link popularity, to the representative URL."

      It talks about duplicate content that is directly under our control. But the point is, surely, the search engines want to attract viewers with a good variety of content. It must be somewhat frustrating to them to see the same article in every spot of the first page, just as it is frustrating for people searching.

      At some point, when they figure a way to do it, are the search engines not likely to select "the 'best' URL to represent the cluster in search results" regardless of whether the sites have a single owner?

      I believe, to be on the safe side and to get as many page one listings as possible, it is probably better to make sure articles that we distribute are not identical.

      What's your view?
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  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
    Originally Posted by Nathan Denton View Post

    In terms of duplicate content with places like Google, I understand that Google 'penalises' those who issue duplicate content over the internet. What does this actually mean?
    It means that your site might not rank well. And in some really bad cases, I have seen google delist websites.

    One website was nothing more then a large rss feed from sites like yahoo news, bbc, cnn, foxnews,,,, After a few months the whole site disappeared from googles index. Even a search for the domain name returned nothing. A few weeks before the site was delisted, there were over 100,000 pages listed with google.

    The site did not have a single original content page, it was entirely rss feeds. And on top of that, the site owner had it set up so the feeds were submitted to google as his own pages.

    The whole site was nothing but duplicate content. So google removed the site from its index.
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    • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Betinis
      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

      The site did not have a single original content page, it was entirely rss feeds. And on top of that, the site owner had it set up so the feeds were submitted to google as his own pages.

      The whole site was nothing but duplicate content. So google removed the site from its index.

      Well no wonder why. See the bolded part. It probably wasn't so much the duplicate content it self but THE WAY he was going about things. The bold above directly breaks Google's terms which can be read at the links above in this post. That is direct apparent manipulation of the search engines which is the NO-NO (separate issue from the dupe content itself).
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      • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
        Think of it this way. Even if google somehow penalizes the page (which I don't think they do), don't you think the benefit of having syndicated content given to direct readers is a bigger benefit?

        Isn't the point to get your content in front of interested readers whether it's Google traffic or some other means?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    I have both types of sites.

    Duplicate, PLR Content
    Original Content

    Both types of sites rank. But the original content sites do far better and traffic is waaaay more consistent. They also seem to dodge Google slaps entirely. The Duplicate PLR sites tend to fluctuate wildly (visual proof of what I'm talking about) and get slapped often.

    I've also noticed it's hard to "undo" a duplicate site in Google's eyes. With me, it seems Google has remembered the duplicate content sites and refused to let them rank well even after I've cleaned and rebuilt them with original content.

    That's my personal experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author lexis2k
    You can put a php script which dynamically updates your content with snippets of information.Image rotator is also a good idea.Something like 'quote of the day'

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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisByrns
    dupe content could become an issue when it comes to dupe content on the *same* site.. eg. if you have a blog with like a full post on the index page, the exact same post on the individual post's page and another copy of the same post in the archive.. while i cannot confirm this myself, i heard (from a friend of a friend of a friend, lol) that this *might* hurt your rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author alpalino
    If that was the case all the article directories would have banned by google. Instead they do really well in rankings. So that clearly shows that dublicate content is not that bad in search engines point of view. But you automaticly get in competition with these article directories. In most cases search engines show the results from article directories (popular ones) first as they rank better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Memo
    there is so much talking about duplicate content...
    look like andy jenkins said if your site page have same content on them you will get penalized...

    But I don't like working more than I need to do as Kay said...On all of my sites..I first add the article to my site and the next day I submit it to article directories...and I haven't seen any problems with that...not at all..
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