Need advice on creating a lyric site

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Hello warriors

I need some advice from you about starting a lyric site, I know what your thinking there are too many of them out there, but this has been a goal of mine to obtain and i'm very passionate about this idea.
#advice #creating #lyric #site
  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    I paid a guy on fiverr to translate for me the lyrics to an anime song. That is because I could not find these lyrics (in English) anywhere on any web page. Well, there is an interest in lyrics, but slapping sad sense on your page is gonna max you poor.

    Plan on discovering what products you can sell via amazon. That is a better way to monetize your page.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Seems to me that this would be absolutely brutal to try and rank for these days, as your "main" content is also on thousands, possibly millions of other sites. I'm not saying its impossible, but unless your super-targeting a certain genre of music I could see the recent Panda update causing you some trouble.

    I would definitely buy an aged domain with some PR to help you out in the trust factor--which might propel you above other sites and get you ranking faster for essentially the EXACT same content.

    I can't speak of the copyright issue. I know it was in the news recently so you may want to do some Google News searching to see what is up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lea Karana
      Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

      Seems to me that this would be absolutely brutal to try and rank for these days, as your "main" content is also on thousands, possibly millions of other sites. I'm not saying its impossible, but unless your super-targeting a certain genre of music I could see the recent Panda update causing you some trouble.

      I would definitely buy an aged domain with some PR to help you out in the trust factor--which might propel you above other sites and get you ranking faster for essentially the EXACT same content.

      I can't speak of the copyright issue. I know it was in the news recently so you may want to do some Google News searching to see what is up.
      Thank you for your honest reply. Yea i did consider the competition but i feel like even though there are many of them out there; they all seem to be getting decent amount of traffic.

      Still investigating the situation.:confused:


      Lea
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Lea,

        The copyright for a song's lyrics belongs to the publishers. You'll need to get their permission before reprinting any lyrics on your site.

        Obviously, there are many instances online where the copyright issue is apparently ignored with impunity, but if you're planning to create a specific site and are looking to monetize it, I'd strongly advise you to square this with the relevant copyright holders first.

        The very least you'd be risking would be the loss of your site and your earnings as well as having all your hard work go to waste. But it could be even worse for you.


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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    Originally Posted by Lea Karana View Post

    and this is a big one, but since there are lyric sites out there im guessing its ok to create them and have artist lyrics out there without having any artist copyrights problems.
    Then you are guessing wrong.

    Song lyrics are copyrighted.

    There are some lyrics sites that have license agreements to use the lyrics.

    Most are infringing upon copyright. Rights holders do send DMCA notices to infringing sites. They may also send DMCA notices to search engines to get the sites delisted and also, in the case of Google, to try to get the AdSense shut down. They will also send DMCA notices to ISPs if the sites fail to comply. And, suing is always an option for them too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lea Karana
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      Then you are guessing wrong.

      Song lyrics are copyrighted.

      There are some lyrics sites that have license agreements to use the lyrics.

      Most are infringing upon copyright. Rights holders do send DMCA notices to infringing sites. They may also send DMCA notices to search engines to get the sites delisted and also, in the case of Google, to try to get the AdSense shut down. They will also send DMCA notices to ISPs if the sites fail to comply. And, suing is always an option for them too.
      Right, i'm aware of DMCA, i just wasn't sure if they all followed the rules or even need to.

      Thank you
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      • Profile picture of the author Lea Karana
        I don't want people to get the wrong idea about me, i'm not trying to do anything illegal.

        I just want to make a great site cause I remember always using a lyric site when i was younger, don't have much time for that anymore.

        I want it to do it right, i understand the competition but a great site will always stand out and will be remembered by its users. (but that's my opinion)

        Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated


        Lea
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by Lea Karana View Post

          I don't want people to get the wrong idea about me, i'm not trying to do anything illegal.

          I just want to make a great site cause I remember always using a lyric site when i was younger, don't have much time for that anymore.

          I want it to do it right, i understand the competition but a great site will always stand out and will be remembered by its users. (but that's my opinion)

          Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated


          Lea
          Hi Lea,

          Nobody is accusing you of being a bad person, but what you want to do is most likely illegal (unless you do get permission from every lyric publisher). We are giving you the advice that you really need, and that is that you are putting yourself at legal risk by publishing lyrics without permission.

          It has nothing to do with your competition. It has nothing to do with doing lyrics the right way. It has nothing to do with "everybody else is doing it".

          It has to do with your fellow Warriors trying to prevent you from getting into legal trouble.

          That may not be what you want to hear, but it's the truth. You already got the "any help or advice" you requested, I will leave the "will be greatly appreciated" up to you.

          All the best,
          Michael
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          • Profile picture of the author Lea Karana
            Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

            Hi Lea,

            Nobody is accusing you of being a bad person, but what you want to do is most likely illegal (unless you do get permission from every lyric publisher). We are giving you the advice that you really need, and that is that you are putting yourself at legal risk by publishing lyrics without permission.

            It has nothing to do with your competition. It has nothing to do with doing lyrics the right way. It has nothing to do with "everybody else is doing it".

            It has to do with your fellow Warriors trying to prevent you from getting into legal trouble.

            That may not be what you want to hear, but it's the truth. You already got the "any help or advice" you requested, I will leave the "will be greatly appreciated" up to you.

            All the best,
            Michael
            Hi and thank you for helping

            oh i wasn't thinking that anyone was accusing me of anything awful, and i do respect and appreciate how people try to help in this forum. And i have received great help in the past.

            maybe this project is out of my league, i'm not sure. I will of course do it right gotta search more on this.
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
              Originally Posted by Lea Karana View Post

              Hi and thank you for helping

              oh i wasn't thinking that anyone was accusing me of anything awful, and i do respect and appreciate how people try to help in this forum. And i have received great help in the past.

              maybe this project is out of my league, i'm not sure. I will of course do it right gotta search more on this.
              Search what?

              Really, there is only one way to "do it right" and that's to do it "legally".

              If you have the resources (time, money, technical ability) to get publishing rights FROM THE PUBLISHERS, then you are on the right track.

              The only to search at this point is how to contact publishers, how much they are likely to charge, and what legal hoops you need to jump through to publish lyrics on the site.

              If you are trying to find a loophole in the law, or if you are going to ask other lyrics site owners (many of whom are ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW), then you are not "doing it right".

              Seriously, the reason so many of us are telling you this is because we don't want you get in trouble.

              Pay attention. It's for your own good. Seriously.

              You have seemingly brushed off any comments that don't line up with what you want to hear, and that's a shame. If I come across as harsh it's because you need to take this stuff seriously and it seems as though nobody is getting through to you.

              All the best,
              Michael
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              • Profile picture of the author Lea Karana
                Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                Search what?

                Really, there is only one way to "do it right" and that's to do it "legally".

                If you have the resources (time, money, technical ability) to get publishing rights FROM THE PUBLISHERS, then you are on the right track.

                The only to search at this point is how to contact publishers, how much they are likely to charge, and what legal hoops you need to jump through to publish lyrics on the site.

                If you are trying to find a loophole in the law, or if you are going to ask other lyrics site owners (many of whom are ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW), then you are not "doing it right".

                Seriously, the reason so many of us are telling you this is because we don't want you get in trouble.

                Pay attention. It's for your own good. Seriously.

                You have seemingly brushed off any comments that don't line up with what you want to hear, and that's a shame. If I come across as harsh it's because you need to take this stuff seriously and it seems as though nobody is getting through to you.

                All the best,
                Michael
                I promise you i'm not brushing off any comments, really really not. im sorry if it seems like i am

                when i said i would search more i meant "learn more" about this. not trying to find loopholes and do what everyone else is doing.

                I never said that i have experience and much knowledge in this, its just something i always wanted to do and want to do it right. thats all. this is why i came here and started this thread.
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                • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
                  Originally Posted by Lea Karana View Post

                  I promise you i'm not brushing off any comments, really really not. im sorry if it seems like i am

                  when i said i would search more i meant "learn more" about this. not trying to find loopholes and do what everyone else is doing.

                  I never said that i have experience and much knowledge in this, its just something i always wanted to do and want to do it right. thats all. this is why i came here and started this thread.
                  Whew! Okay, fair enough, Lea. You had me worried.

                  If you want to make a lyrics site, and if you want it to be all that you want, then I wish you much success. As long as you do it on the up and up, then I think that's awesome.

                  I'm a huge music fan so a good lyrics site would definitely come in handy.

                  Rock on!
                  Michael
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                  • Profile picture of the author Lea Karana
                    Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                    Whew! Okay, fair enough, Lea. You had me worried.

                    If you want to make a lyrics site, and if you want it to be all that you want, then I wish you much success. As long as you do it on the up and up, then I think that's awesome.

                    I'm a huge music fan so a good lyrics site would definitely come in handy.

                    Rock on!
                    Michael
                    If i had to break the law to make a site then i wouldnt even waste a second of my life thinking about it, i want to do it right cause i eventually want to make money from it so i do NOT want my hard work to go to waste.

                    thanks to everyone here
                    lea
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    • Profile picture of the author Dex88
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      Then you are guessing wrong.

      Song lyrics are copyrighted.

      There are some lyrics sites that have license agreements to use the lyrics.

      Most are infringing upon copyright. Rights holders do send DMCA notices to infringing sites. They may also send DMCA notices to search engines to get the sites delisted and also, in the case of Google, to try to get the AdSense shut down. They will also send DMCA notices to ISPs if the sites fail to comply. And, suing is always an option for them too.
      Just my thoughts,

      If users are the one who submit the lyrics.... will there still be a copyright issue?
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      • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
        Originally Posted by Dex88 View Post

        Just my thoughts,

        If users are the one who submit the lyrics.... will there still be a copyright issue?
        "Users" are the ones who provide the copyrighted content on the popular torrent sites and its still a copyright issue. Maybe not with the site, but the entertainment industry (and the feds!) are started to go after the sites that provide the platform for trade instead of the actually trading.

        Look at it this way. Provide stolen content or offer a platform for other to provide stolen content? What's worse and why?
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Dex88 View Post

        Just my thoughts,

        If users are the one who submit the lyrics.... will there still be a copyright issue?
        Yes!

        A submission is not the same as publication.

        If a user submits my e-book to another website without permission, I submit the DMCA notice to the website owner...I don't care HOW they got my stuff, I only care that they are the ones making it available to the public.

        Besides, if this tactic would negate copyright protection then every unscrupulous site owner would just say, "Oh, one of my visitors subbmitted that."

        It doesn't wash.

        All the best,
        Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author maso7
    Because there are a lot of them you'll need to have things that others don't. I haven't looked at everything out there but some ideas.

    Allow people to give their own interpretation of the lyrics and discuss the true meaning.

    Allow a section for people to submit teir own lyrics.

    Offer links to youtube to hear the song

    For the muso's provide musical notation, avoid copwrite infringement by using a transcript worked out by someone else, there's plenty.

    Include guitar Tab and video lessons on how to play a song.

    Allow peeps to submit their own lyrical creations. Maybe have a comp

    Im a newbie maybe this is useless info, you can let me know.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    You should contact lyrics producers who want to promote their work. There are many of them wanting to be noticed. They won't mind to give you samples of their work for your website if you will help them become known. This is something you can do without having problems.

    Of course, this is something different from having the lyrics of known songs available at your website, but it is a way to work with lyrics if this is your passion.

    You can sell CDs and DVDs with the best lyrics according to your opinion.

    There are many things you can legally do, besides what was already suggested in this thread.

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