Can't Stop Spinning My Wheels!

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So yesterday I probably spent at least half of the day doing some keyword research in different markets that i was looking to go into. It seemed as though every time I went to research a market or sub niche I ran into the same problem. The .com, .org, and .net seemed to always be taken. Not only that many of these keywords included the exact match term in the domain in the top ten whether it be with or without dashes. I'm also paying attention to on page optimization (title, desc, h1). It feels like every single market is over saturated and i find myself back to square one. I even went to clickbank and went through products and did research on each of them but it just seems like everyone has already beat me to it easily. What advice do you experts have for someone like me that is struggling with this. Is it my keyword research? or is seo getting over saturated?
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    SEO is not saturated, but I think it does keep getting tougher because everyone wants to do it.

    Since SEO is essentially free (unless you use a bunch of tools), it's always going to be attracting marketers.

    As far as keyword research- exact domain is nice, but it isn't everything. Can you build a brand with something like "howtolosebellyfatforwomenin3months.com" or something?

    I mean, you can, but it'd be easier if you have an easy to remember name- P90X, Insanity, etc. are good examples

    If you're dead set on SEO and don't care about branding, just buy yourkeywordx.com

    You can use any letter at the end, and Google basically ignores it for SEO purposes
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    • Profile picture of the author adficere
      SEO will increasingly become more difficult, particularly with so many new marketers attempting to seek out long-tail keywords. You can still find keywords ripe for the picking, but I personally don't find it to be a productive use of time.

      When I'm looking to create an authority site that is designed to stick around for years, I pick domain names with branding potential rather than exact-match keywords for two reasons:

      1. Exact match keyword domains often look spammy and don't linger on the visitor's brain as much as brandable keywords. Which would you prefer? Dogster.com (a real authority site), which rolls off the tongue? Or something generic like how-to-potty-train-a-puppy.com?

      2. Using the above two examples, let's say your site experiences significant traffic. You've found a niche that caught on fire. If you selected the latter, you've largely limited your expansion potential. No one's going to expect to see dog breed info, dog training info, etc. on a potty training site, whereas a brandable general name like Dogster can expand into any topic involving canines.

      I've used exact keyword URLs plenty of times before, but only as quick buck attempts. If you're looking to build a quality site, I think flexibility and brandability far outweigh any minor perceived SEO benefit to exact match URLs.

      As far as keyword selection goes for articles, SEO is indeed an important factor, but when I'm building a new site I write for the visitor, not the search engine. Many of my articles aren't even written with a specific keyword in mind; I just take pen to paper and answer a visitor's question or concern.

      Sacrilege, right? Not really. Over time I do receive significant quantities of SE visitors even from non-keyword targeted articles; you would be surprised how many visitors arrive via unique keyword combinations that no webmaster could predict. And perhaps more importantly, I receive traffic to those articles via word of mouth referrals, unrequested linkbacks to my sites, and publication in offline magazines. I can't tell you how many offline publishers have written me requesting permission to use one of my articles in their magazines, which provides me massive levels of free online and offline exposure for my businesses.

      The SEO game is too much like a hamster wheel for me. I don't want to race after others begging for links, exposure, etc. I'd much rather make a site so appealing to visitors that people pursue me. Everything else falls into place, including SE rankings! Those aforementioned free links back to my pages I mentioned? They have given me top rankings on very competitive keywords without requiring much effort.

      I do include a selection of long-tail keywords even with authority sites and I do build with SEO in mind, so I don't want to dismiss the value of doing such research. But my first and primary focus is to get quality content out there, keyword-selection or competitiveness be damned. I'm not looking to create sites that exploit openings... I'm looking to create sites that directly challenge other authority sites in the industry.

      It's a slower process than chasing exact keyword URLs, but with patience everything usually falls into place without all the gnashing of teeth that SEO experts suffer. I don't even pay attention to Google algorithm changes all that much, because once a site digs in deep and has enough pages out there, algorithm changes really don't affect traffic significantly. It's the smaller, lesser keyword-exploiting sites that are most susceptible.

      Were I in your shoes, I'd just slap a site up and start building; at least you'll have a chance to get some momentum unlike the wheel-spinning caused by endless keyword research. See if you detect any previously unknown keyword combos that the Adwords keyword tool failed to pick up (it's not perfectly accurate). See if your market is hungry for a particular corner of your niche. And if your site fails to rank? Try again with with another site in the same genre using the lessons you've learned. Or work on more than one site at a time to increase your chances of one catching fire.

      It can take some time and patience, but it honestly is almost impossible not to make money if you just keep banging out quality pages... even if you're not paying SEO any heed whatsoever.

      Jeffrey
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  • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
    There are always going to be good keyword and domain names available, but as someone that does a lot of keyword research myself, I can see why you might think a lot of niches are oversaturated.

    Are you looking to register exact match domains? Whilst that can be effective(perhaps not as much as in the past though), these days I am often registering broader names that are nice and catchy and describe exactly what is on the site. You can still obviously rank your site for your targeted keywords, and can still rank your inidvidual pages/posts/articles too

    I'd advise you to make sure you have an effective keyword research strategy together(there are tonnes of threads on this subject right here at the WF if you search) and just stick with it.

    I'd also remind you that there are countless other ways to drive traffic, other than SEO - so make sure not to limit yourself to that way of thinking
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by NoGutzNoGlory View Post

    So yesterday I probably spent at least half of the day doing some keyword research in different markets that i was looking to go into. It seemed as though every time I went to research a market or sub niche I ran into the same problem. The .com, .org, and .net seemed to always be taken. Not only that many of these keywords included the exact match term in the domain in the top ten whether it be with or without dashes. I'm also paying attention to on page optimization (title, desc, h1). It feels like every single market is over saturated and i find myself back to square one. I even went to clickbank and went through products and did research on each of them but it just seems like everyone has already beat me to it easily. What advice do you experts have for someone like me that is struggling with this. Is it my keyword research? or is seo getting over saturated?
    During this time of year, don't just focus on Clickbank and digital products. They tend to take a dive during the holiday season, anyway. Instead, look into promoting products that you know are going to be popular during the season BEFORE the products are released. That way, there's less competition, and you can get your foot in the door, ya know? Learning how to get ranked before stuff launches is a great way to start making money in competitive niches year around--no matter the niche you're in. It's like the old saying goes, "The early bird gets the worm."

    Good luck,
    Joey
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  • Profile picture of the author NoGutzNoGlory
    would you recommend just focusing on one market instead of trying to make money in different markets? If you've got the top ten of google with good pr and aged domains should I let that stop me from breaking into that market?
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by NoGutzNoGlory View Post

      would you recommend just focusing on one market instead of trying to make money in different markets? If you've got the top ten of google with good pr and aged domains should I let that stop me from breaking into that market?
      Well, I'd advise you not to limit yourself to one market as long as you can do so without spreading yourself too thin.

      PR and domain age aren't as big a factor as you may think, when it comes to ranking The amount and quality of content, and the amount, quality and variety of backlinks are more important. Having good on page optimization is important too.
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  • Profile picture of the author EricEric
    Here some good stuff that was sent to me. Here's what you do:

    Download this file FIRST:

    hypertracker dot com/go/affclassmaghsm/BasicSEOtips/

    Download this file SECOND:

    hypertracker dot com/go/affclassmaghsm/AdvancedSEOtips

    Inside you'll find a zip file inside
    each download link.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanVsWorld
    Hey there -

    Yeah, keyword research can numb your brain for sure. It can be a bit of an art-form to finally get the hang of drilling down into a niche in order to find the really juicy sub-niches. That said, with some practice it can be done, though.

    Maybe you need to re-think your perspective on it...and look at it as practicing a skill instead of "trying to find THE keyword" - ya know? That way, it takes some of the pressure off. Plus, in the back of your mind you can know that when you find a really good keyword, it will pay for itself over and over again.

    You could even start with brainstorming niches that are on topics you find interesting or that you do as a hobby...then start to drill down from there. I agree with others here that say not to limit yourself to niches that you think will make you money. There are lots of surprises when it comes to actual 'money' niches, because most of the time you wouldn't think of some of those off the top of your head!

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author thadbong
    Hey mate,

    Don't waste your time. Select a domain name that sounds good and just run with it. Could even be your name, it doesn't matter as much as people would have you believe.

    The way I see it, you have two choices. Spin your wheels for another few days/weeks/months trying to get the perfect site, or start now with a "less than perfect" site and start attracting visitors, subscribers, buyers and bring in real cash.

    You'll never get all your ducks lined up in a row, just as all the traffic lights aren't green when you leave home for work. Right now you need to pull out of that driveway and MOVE!
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  • Profile picture of the author suxes2005
    you have been advised. do not limit yourself and
    spread your tentacles as well. Look at other forms of
    driving traffic and KW research as well.

    SHALOM
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    It can be tough to get going.

    What I always do is follow my heart and my interest. You'll find that if you REALLY are interested in something, you'll push through all of the barriers and make it happen anyway
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