"Competitive Niche (vast knowledge)" vs "Noncompetitive Niche (little knowledge)"

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I want to know what's best... Competitive niche with enormous knowledge or Noncompetitive Niche with little knowledge. What you say?

Actually, I have great valuable knowledge about one topic but it's competitive. Now, what should I do? Find some less competitive niche with less knowledge or choose competitive niche with vast knowledge and passion?
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  • Profile picture of the author thadbong
    Go for the competitive niche. Strong competition tells you that it's a viable market and that there are plenty of hungry buyers. Add the fact that you have vast, valuable knowledge and passion for the niche and it's a no brainer.

    The fact is, you're doing the niche a great service by getting in there and providing what you have to offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Optimo
    The question you need to ask is "is there a specific need in that niche that is not being met?"

    If you have your own product and you see a need that's going unfulfilled by the competition, by all means make an attempt. Also, are there any sub-niches that you can identify?

    Generally, going for the less competitive is easier though - but the upside to success may not be as big.
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  • Profile picture of the author Toniy
    Originally Posted by Chris Lengley View Post

    I want to know what's best... Competitive niche with enormous knowledge or Noncompetitive Niche with little knowledge. What you say?

    Actually, I have great valuable knowledge about one topic but it's competitive. Now, what should I do? Find some less competitive niche with less knowledge or choose competitive niche with vast knowledge and passion?
    Hey Chris,

    I think it depends on your resources mate... Best is subjective.

    The competitive niche will obviously be harder to crack, but if you've got the resources behind you to make a dent i.e. Get to the front page / run a successful ppc campaign / build a big ol' list... then I'd say go for it, because providing value will come easy to you and you'll enjoy it more.

    IF however your resources are comparatively thin, and you're relying mostly on free methods of traffic generation out of necessity, then you may be better off with a viable low-competition niche.

    It's so much easier to learn about a new subject than it is to break into a competitive market. I'd imagine the rewards would be higher (both personally and financially) with the competitive niche though.

    Like I said man, it really just depends on how big a dent you think you'll be able to make, or how long and hard you'd be willing to work at it.

    Best of luck with whatever direction you go in


    ... there was almost a dick joke somewhere in that post... not cool.
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    • Profile picture of the author adficere
      Depends on your goals as well as the niches themselves.

      If there's equal money potential in both (sometimes keywords/topics are more competitive but not necessarily as lucrative), I'd go with the competitive niche. Great writers can crack out quality content even in unfamiliar niches, but little can rival articles written by passionate experts. Additionally, many find writing articles to be a grind after countless hours of doing so, and it's a heck of a lot less draining writing about a topic you enjoy.

      I DO frequently create noncompetitive niche sites, but I also outsource most development work. Overall I favor the authority site approach, and it's easier to develop authority-level content and crack into competitive waters when you, or those you outsource the writing to, reek expertise. Such sites can be slower to gain SE traction, but once they do they also rely on word-of-mouth referrals and content quality rather than algorithm/competition exploits, providing for comfortable longevity.

      On the other hand, if the noncompetitive niche is significantly more profitable than the competitive one, well, sometimes money and ease overrides passion. That said, I do make plenty of money with sites focused on competitive subjects that are known to bring lesser ad revenues and/or lower product price points, so most passions can be monetized decently in one form or another.

      But unless time is an issue, why not consider doing both? If you can outsource some of the writing, great; it'll be even easier. But even if you can't, sometimes you just don't know which sites will quickly catch fire and which ones will require prolonged coddling to gain momentum. I don't think it's healthy to spread yourself TOO thin or necessarily go the gazillion micro-site route, but having more than one egg in a basket lends more options and flexibility. Sometimes you would be surprised at how easy it was to break into "competitive" niche, and how difficult it was to rank a "noncompetitive" niche.

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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    being involved in a competitive niche doesn't mean you have to be a direct competitor to any of the existing people.

    you might find that you could offer a product / service that directly compliments an existing product or service. if you do indeed have a good deal of knowledge on the subject, then you may very well find it fairly easy to come up with a product that adds value to an existing offer by someone already in the niche.

    there are a lot of other ways to make money in a niche than being top 3 in google.

    you can look at the wso section on this forum and see people who are doing exactly what i describe. they are in a very competitive niche, yet many find it fairly easy to make money by coming up with a value added product or service and then making a deal with someone who already has your customers.

    there are several people selling wordpress themes or widgets. they dont need to compete with wordpress, they just need to find a way to add value and they can make some money.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
      "Competitive niche" does not automatically mean a high ratio of creditcard wielding buyers with easy conversions. :rolleyes:

      I would go with the niche that provides the best ratio between effort and money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt281
    Depending on what type of IM you're doing, you can start off in a pretty competitive niche by focusing on less competitive keywords/markets at first. For instance, maybe "make money online" is extremely competitive but "how to make a supplementary income" might not be. Again, depending on the niche and what kind of IM you're doing, you might be able to start off with that kind of stuff and move on to bigger things once you get better established.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      My money is on the most competitive niches (vast knowledge and/or highly specialized writers/researchers).

      Writing articles for targeted online/offline publications completely bypasses all the competition in the SERPs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Kage
    I would go with a competitive niche and find something to snipe in that niche, if you know what I mean.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Lengley
      I know it's tough to beat the top competitors but I believe that I can provide valuable information. What's the chance of success in competitive with good knowledge? and what about noncompetitive with little knowledge??
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      • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
        Originally Posted by Chris Lengley View Post

        I know it's tough to beat the top competitors but I believe that I can provide valuable information. What's the chance of success in competitive with good knowledge? and what about noncompetitive with little knowledge??
        I go where the competition is high and where I have
        knowledge and credibility.

        However, you need the MARKETING chops to be able
        to pull it off - no matter what route you choose.

        If you've got the marketing skills and knowledge in the
        area, then go after a highly competitive niche.

        Dedicated to mutual success,

        Shaun
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      • Profile picture of the author adficere
        Originally Posted by Chris Lengley View Post

        I know it's tough to beat the top competitors but I believe that I can provide valuable information. What's the chance of success in competitive with good knowledge? and what about noncompetitive with little knowledge??
        Alexa's point about competitiveness applying more to SEO methods was spot on. If you're looking to rank a website (which my initial post in this thread focused on), the strength of your competition can be a significant factor, but if you're using another business model then competition may not be a factor at all.

        For example, my first foray into business as a teen was direct mail, and I wanted to play in busy markets. Since I controlled the distribution method from start to finish, it didn't matter if I competed against one company or one thousand. It all came down to conversion ratios, which were based on the strength of my mailing pieces (and to a lesser degree, products).

        In the offline world, when breaking into a new market I would often piggyback off existing powerhouse competitors too, either by partnering with them directly for a new product/venture or engaging in a temporary joint venture agreement more typical of the online world. When my company was attached to one with widespread recognition through such ventures, I gained instant status without paying a dime in advertising. I then used that status to either continue working with existing partners in developing new products or splintering off on my own to create follow-up products.

        So in the offline world, whether in direct mail or manufacturing, competition never enters the equation for me. They don't scare me because I control the message and distribution, so all that matters is whether my product and sales message is appealing to the customer.

        Ranking websites is a different matter since I can't control the distribution method (unless we're talking about Google Adwords, social media marketing, etc.). In that case I won't necessarily allow competition to scare me off, but I will pay a little more attention to keyword selection and SEO when planning websites.

        That being said, I still believe expertise wins in the end. Why? First, you can find less competitive long-tail keywords to attack rather than general keywords that are clogged with competitors, so just because you're attacking a popular niche doesn't mean you're tilting at windmills with your keyword selection.

        But here's the more important reason: over 50% of SE queries are said to be unique keyword combinations, and keyword tools cannot account for them. When you're a non-expert relying on keyword tools, you often have to use generic terms like "dog training" and others that they return. When you're an insider, you're probably going to insert "insider lingo" into some of your articles... lingo that may be missed by the general population, but will be directly take advantage of the unique searches. This gives you an inside advantage over the non-experts trying to use force of SEO alone since most won't be targeting those lesser-known lingo gems.

        In the end, though, it depends on the niche and business plan. If I'm an online product developer I may focus more on distribution through Clickbank and joint ventures with existing marketers. If I'm a site developer, I would have to decide whether I wanted to fight for SE rankings or work traffic to a site via other methods such as advertising or even guest posting on other authority sites to build my reputation in the niche and draw traffic to my site.

        That's the cool thing about business, both online and offline... there is a multitude of approaches you can take.

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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Lengley
          That's extremely helpful.

          It means "Knowledge and Passion" are highly important factors in choosing a niche.

          Okay, that's so helpful. Thank you so much EVERYONE for your Help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Chris Lengley View Post

    I want to know what's best... Competitive niche with enormous knowledge or Noncompetitive Niche with little knowledge. What you say?
    I say "competitive niche with enormous knowledge". And I say it with no hesitation or doubt at all, for myself.

    If you really have "enormous knowledge" of a niche, then you can find non-competitive ways to promote it, which others with less knowledge wouldn't know how to do.

    There are always less competitive ways of promoting competitive niches, IF you know enough about them (and, by extension, enough about their enthusiasts/interested parties/audiences).

    Disasters sometimes arise when people try to get too "inventive"/"imaginative" without having the requisite knowledge and understanding of the market ... but if that isn't a problem, I certainly wouldn't let competition put me off.

    "Competition" tends to apply mostly to SEO-based methods, anyway ... and there are always other, better, more secure, more stable, more reliable, less Google-dependent methods of niche promotion.
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