Ignorant/Beginner question about spinning articles

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I have never spun articles before and have no knowledge of how it works. So I found a gig on fiverr.com which stated they would send me 3 spintax articles on whatever keywords I sent.

I just researched my articles and have tried many different spintax "things" sites and can't get the articles to work or look normal.

I feel really stupid even asking this question but I don't know what to do with them now.

Tiffany
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Tiffany:

    Maybe you don't want to hear this ...

    Some will disagree with me ...

    But I suggest you steer clear of spun articles.

    I have found that you can write good, short, unique articles in about the same time you can spin an article and make it sound intelligent.

    Why not outsource if you don't like to write or if you can't write the quantity of articles that you want?

    In addition, take advantage of well written public domain content and PLR. Yeah, I know a lot of this stuff is trash, but if you search you can find some great content.

    I personally want to be proud of what I release, and to be honest, I have not found an article spinner that can write like a human!

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    • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
      Spun articles are not the solution, they are the problem. Why do you think Google is always changing its methods? Spun articles, in my opinion, are nothing but glorified spam -- period. They will hurt your rankings in the long run and label your Web site as "spammy."

      As hard as it might seem, a business should be built on a strong foundation. There are no shortcuts. If you can't write the articles yourself, farm them out to whatever service best fits your needs.

      I tell you this based on personal experience. You can spin wheels for years with shortcuts like spun articles, or build your business on real value.

      If you're thinking about sending a spun article to an article directory, why not rewrite the article yourself -- get some sweat equity in your business! It might even help improve your writing skills. Use your own words and phrases. That way, your content will still be unique. Takes time, but all good things do.
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      • Profile picture of the author ibmethatswhoib
        So let me get this straight, you're against spinning articles but you will re-write the same article in different words....hmmm

        Originally Posted by lastreporter View Post

        Spun articles are not the solution, they are the problem. Why do you think Google is always changing its methods? Spun articles, in my opinion, are nothing but glorified spam -- period. They will hurt your rankings in the long run and label your Web site as "spammy."

        As hard as it might seem, a business should be built on a strong foundation. There are no shortcuts. If you can't write the articles yourself, farm them out to whatever service best fits your needs.

        I tell you this based on personal experience. You can spin wheels for years with shortcuts like spun articles, or build your business on real value.

        If you're thinking about sending a spun article to an article directory, why not rewrite the article yourself -- get some sweat equity in your business! It might even help improve your writing skills. Use your own words and phrases. That way, your content will still be unique. Takes time, but all good things do.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
          Originally Posted by ibmethatswhoib View Post

          So let me get this straight, you're against spinning articles but you will re-write the same article in different words....hmmm
          Yup!

          At least it will be in English - AND easy to read. I doubt that there are many people who haven't rewritten some quality PLR article to make it unique, and even, perhaps improve on it.

          There are ony so many wys you can say "The cat's are all black". Everything that's being created today, especially in the IM field, has already been written.

          Newcomers have to fin d a new way to word it, which becomes harder and harder.

          Gosh - this was original content - maybe.

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        • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
          No. I am for writing original content. But if an individual is Hell bent on spinning an article I am simply saying she would be better off rewriting it herself. By using her own words and phrases she would (1) get some writing practice and (2) discover it is just as easy to write original content.

          Now, this is based on the fact I do not spin articles. I believe such content ultimately hurts those who place it on their sites. In fact, it hurts the whole Internet Ecosystem and devalues Internet Marketing in general!

          I am not looking to argue or zing anybody. Just offering my opinions.
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          • Profile picture of the author gtownfunk
            I run a service that spins and edits articles, and honestly if you want the articles to be high quality it takes a good human effort. It also takes some real attention to detail to be able to recognize the large number of grammatical errors that are created. You're usually aiming for something a human can read an digest and something that a search engine will love.

            I suggest you outsource, but I'd suggest using a company that actually uses college educated folks in the US like my own. Obviously there is tons of crap out there and I am bothered by sales copy (even here) written by people who don't have a very good grasp of the language.

            Obviously that isn't very professional IMHO and will turn your readers off.

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    • Profile picture of the author Christine2011
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Tiffany:

      Maybe you don't want to hear this ...

      Some will disagree with me ...

      But I suggest you steer clear of spun articles.

      I have found that you can write good, short, unique articles in about the same time you can spin an article and make it sound intelligent.

      Why not outsource if you don't like to write or if you can't write the quantity of articles that you want?

      In addition, take advantage of well written public domain content and PLR. Yeah, I know a lot of this stuff is trash, but if you search you can find some great content.

      I personally want to be proud of what I release, and to be honest, I have not found an article spinner that can write like a human!

      Steve
      I totally agree. Spinning articles will only result in articles that are barely readable.

      Normally, I write my own content, then have a guy in the Philippines produce 5 to 10 unique articles out of it. It costs more than using a spinning software... but the articles I get from him are of higher quality.

      If any of you need a good writer to outsource to, send me a private message and I can give out his email to you. He is pretty cheap, delivers on time, and writes well.
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  • Profile picture of the author tahoecale
    yeah i dont get how it works i have been googling but nothing seems to make sense to me
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  • Profile picture of the author thadbong
    Tiffany,

    Just chalk the $5 off as a lesson learned that spun articles aren't worth your time. Why bother when you could get a unique article written by a good ghostwriter, or 5 PLR articles for the same price? At the end of the day, it's just as Steve says. It's real people that ultimately read content, and nothing gets me clicking "close tab" as quickly as a spun article!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan2525
    Originally Posted by LoveGrowth View Post

    I have never spun articles before and have no knowledge of how it works. So I found a gig on fiverr.com which stated they would send me 3 spintax articles on whatever keywords I sent.

    I just researched my articles and have tried many different spintax "things" sites and can't get the articles to work or look normal.

    I feel really stupid even asking this question but I don't know what to do with them now.

    Tiffany
    Hey Tiffany,

    You want to submit your articles to blog networks.
    Some tools are
    - Article Marketing Automation
    - Unique Article Wizard
    - Submit Your Article

    These will distribute your articles over hundreds of blogs and article directories
    building links back to your website.

    They are paid programs but that is what you do with spun articles.

    Hope that helped.
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  • Profile picture of the author Haikela84
    Hi Tiffany,

    I am an expert article spinner and I have to say spinner tools are great only when you want to submit your articles to directories. But if you are planning to post those spun articles on your site/blog, I strongly suggest you don't do it.

    It's rare to find spun articles that don't have grammatical errors and google will not like your site if content is sub par.
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  • Profile picture of the author bahrnsMHE
    There are hundreds of article spinning software online. Other sites offer free article spinning services as well. However if you want good quality spin articles you need to spend sometime to check and edit the results.
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    • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
      Originally Posted by amritvirdi1987 View Post

      The Best Spinner is pretty cool in spinning articles.. I think its about $77 a year? :S
      V3.0 has just been released and it's only $47 per year if you purchase within the next week.
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  • Profile picture of the author stingrays06
    I just researched my articles and have tried many different spintax "things" sites and can't get the articles to work or look normal.

    I feel really stupid even asking this question but I don't know what to do with them now.
    If I am understanding this right, you bought an article written in spinner format and you don't know how to submit your article to all the different article sites?

    If this is the case, you need to use article submission software such as SEnukeX that understands what format the article is written in. For example, most spun articles are written in this format:

    blah blah blah {word 1|word 2|word 3} blah blah blah!

    You simply copy and paste that article into the software and it will submit it for you.

    Another example would be to use an article distribution site like freetrafficsystem.com. Their spintax is a bit different and your article would need to be written in this format instead:

    blah blah blah blah [spin]word 1|word 2|word 3[/spin] blah blah blah!

    You can use the "Replace" function in notepad or Microsoft Word to interchange the spintax to the correct format.

    Hope this helps and sorry if it was confusing. I also agree with Phil that it is much easier to just rewrite PLR articles.

    Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    I think a lot of people miss the point with article spinning. I would never in a million years use spun articles as a substitute for writing a specific article from scratch.

    I use spun articles purely as a way of gaining backlinks.

    Now to the original question of what to do with the 3 spintax formatted articles.

    Essentially comes down to 2 choices:

    1. Use them with software like Article Marketing Robot or a blog service like ArticleRanks.

    2. Use them with a software spinner like The Best Spinner, SpinnerChief etc, to either refine or generate unique copies of the article that you can post to article directories and similar sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author JimmyR
      Originally Posted by UMS View Post

      I think a lot of people miss the point with article spinning. I would never in a million years use spun articles as a substitute for writing a specific article from scratch.

      I use spun articles purely as a way of gaining backlinks.
      Amen.

      These guys (and girls) who are so against spinning really have completely missed the point. Writing long articles for syndication is a completely different game than spinning articles for huge amounts of backlinks from submitters and blog networks. You will never be syndicated from 99.9% of those sites because they don't get enough traffic. These are all about raw backlinks.

      There is no reason why you can't do both. I'm over arguing with these guys. I'm happy to let them do things the hard way
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    There is a lot of mixed opinions about this. It may work for some but in my experience I never found the need for spun articles.

    Syndication is key...

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    Syndication is when you have a post, and then others like that post and use it on their site and leave a backlink to your original post on your blog...thats it in a nutshell, I believe there are ways to encourage others to do this for you but I am not sure on the details.
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  • Profile picture of the author ginandtonic
    I hate how this has devolved into another "why you shouldn't use spun articles" thread when all the OP asked was how to use the ones she already has.

    Since others have already covered submission sites like Articleranks and AMA, you can also unspin them and post them anywhere you want, like web 2.0 sites or article directories. I whipped up a free, very basic unspinner if you would like to use it: http://lakeshorewebservices.com/unspinner/Unspinner.exe
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by ginandtonic View Post

      I hate how this has devolved into another "why you shouldn't use spun articles" thread when all the OP asked was how to use the ones she already has.
      Pretty often people raise other related matters, too, and they then tend to be discussed as well. Although that does mean that some replies don't necessarily address the OP directly, it's still a really valuable (as well as inevitable, and understandable) function of forums of this nature.

      Besides which, even from the perspective of the original question, it's clearly only going to be informative and helpful for any beginner on this subject to read some of the forum's many threads like this one to see what Warriors with plenty of successful experience on this subject (many of whom have done a lot of "spinning" and a lot of "not spinning" too and can compare the outcomes of each approach) have to say.
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      • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
        Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

        I wonder who the instigator of all that negativity is. I only know of one person that is in every one of those threads.

        Shannon
        Whoever instigates the spreading and comprehension of truth is certainly justified.

        Spinning articles, to me, is no different then dumping your trash at my curb. Garbage content associated with your name insinuates a garbage product or service, there is no substitute for time and effort when it comes to quality content.

        If the OP doesn't know what to do with the spun articles that were purchased, you could always print them out and use them to pick up after your dog. Just a thought.
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        • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
          Originally Posted by NicheMayhem View Post

          Whoever instigates the spreading and comprehension of truth is certainly justified.

          Spinning articles, to me, is no different then dumping your trash at my curb. Garbage content associated with your name insinuates a garbage product or service, there is no substitute for time and effort when it comes to quality content.

          If the OP doesn't know what to do with the spun articles that were purchased, you could always print them out and use them to pick up after your dog. Just a thought.
          Actually articles spun in the right way are not garbage.

          Both of these came from the same seed article...

          http://ezinearticles.com/?Bum-Market...les&id=4294809

          http://ezinearticles.com/?Bum-Market...ing&id=4294246

          I guess if you think those are garbage we can do the same thing with your post above...

          Originally Posted by NicheMayhem View Post

          you could always print them out and use them to pick up after your dog. Just a thought.
          Originally Posted by NicheMayhem View Post

          Whoever instigates the spreading and comprehension of truth is certainly justified.
          I can give you tested and proven results based on the fact that spinning works and when done in the right way works. The articles above are just an example of how all spun articles are not garbage.
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          • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
            Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

            Actually articles spun in the right way are not garbage.

            Both of these came from the same seed article...

            http://ezinearticles.com/?Bum-Market...les&id=4294809

            http://ezinearticles.com/?Bum-Market...ing&id=4294246

            I guess if you think those are garbage we can do the same thing with your post above...





            I can give you tested and proven results based on the fact that spinning works and when done in the right way works. The articles above are just an example of how all spun articles are not garbage.
            I highly doubt the articles you have linked to came from syntax format spinning. If so, the variables for different words to be used would have had to be set up for each and every word throughout the entire original because they are just barely similar.

            Obviously whoever wrote them went back in and re-wrote. There are various errors within both of these articles as well. Would it have been just as easy to write another article which covered the same points naturally? Perhaps or perhaps not.

            I could sit here and pick them apart piece by piece but who cares really, you have your opinion and I am certainly entitled to mine.

            In spite of your supposedly shining examples, TO ME spun articles are garbage content and a lazy way to conduct business, period. For the most part, advocating spinning will do nothing but lead to lazy ass newbies putting out more and more crap that even they cannot read.

            Tell you what, I'll meet you in the middle.... MOST spun article content is garbage. Hows that?

            It's also kind of funny to me that the articles you link to are about writing good articles.

            Look, I guess to me it is more about how lazy people are. How it isn't about providing value and something worthwhile to put your name behind anymore. Everybody just wants that silver bullet easy fix so they don't have to do any work with no regard for the reader. It is more about that mentality then it is about crap content. Too many people have no concept of personal pride in their work. There are many website owners who don't even take the time to spell check the content they are writing on their own site, they might be better off spinning PLR!

            So whatever, to each their own. I just don't care for spinning. If that offends you personally then so be it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
              Originally Posted by NicheMayhem View Post

              I highly doubt the articles you have linked to came from syntax format spinning. If so, the variables for different words to be used would have had to be set up for each and every word throughout the entire original because they are just barely similar.
              Those articles were from a spin seed article. The problem is you do not understand how to spin properly. I know they came from a spin seed article because I wrote it.

              You take an article and then rewrite each paragraph 4 times, then rewrite each sentence in all paragraphs at least 3 times and then spin at phrase level and not word level. You then get articles that look like the examples I gave.

              Shannon
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          • Profile picture of the author Paperchasing
            Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

            Actually articles spun in the right way are not garbage.

            Both of these came from the same seed article...

            http://ezinearticles.com/?Bum-Market...les&id=4294809

            http://ezinearticles.com/?Bum-Market...ing&id=4294246

            I guess if you think those are garbage we can do the same thing with your post above...

            I can give you tested and proven results based on the fact that spinning works and when done in the right way works. The articles above are just an example of how all spun articles are not garbage.
            Those aren't complete garbage, but they certainly aren't well-written or natural-sounding. I don't doubt that those are on the high end of spun content quality, but that is not a ringing endorsement.
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          • Profile picture of the author dorianjohn425
            Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

            Actually articles spun in the right way are not garbage.

            Both of these came from the same seed article...

            http://ezinearticles.com/?Bum-Market...les&id=4294809

            http://ezinearticles.com/?Bum-Market...ing&id=4294246

            I guess if you think those are garbage we can do the same thing with your post above...
            The articles are not bad. While it may be spun and the quality may not be to my liking, it is still readable and still maintains the voice and point of the original article. They should suffice for IM efforts, I guess. However, articles with this quality will probably never see the light of day in my blogs. I prefer quality whole article rewrites rather than having to rewrite paragraphs, sentences, etc... just to eliminate dupe content.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
            Originally Posted by NicheMayhem View Post

            Whoever instigates the spreading and comprehension of truth is certainly justified.
            Spinning articles, to me, is no different then dumping your trash at my curb. Garbage content associated with your name insinuates a garbage product or service, there is no substitute for time and effort when it comes to quality content.
            If the OP doesn't know what to do with the spun articles that were purchased, you could always print them out and use them to pick up after your dog. Just a thought.
            LOL. I love this - and totally agree.

            Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

            Actually articles spun in the right way are not garbage.

            Both of these came from the same seed article...

            http://ezinearticles.com/?<b>Bum</b>...les&id=4294809
            http://ezinearticles.com/?<b>Bum</b>...ing&id=4294246

            I guess if you think those are garbage we can do the same thing with your post above...

            That sounds a bit dark - like a threat maybe? I could have created the second article from the first in about 10 minutes flat, without a spinner.

            I can give you tested and proven results based on the fact that spinning works and when done in the right way works.
            I doubt that, although you could always wipe your bum with 'em. What's the right way? Select article - spin it 20 times - publish 20 nonsense bad English articles; or spend hours rewriting the 20 spun articles so they make sense. :confused:

            Note to any newbie regarding article spinning. Just look for replies by Alexa Smith. She's the goddess of Article Marketing, and says it like it is. I think she must be pretty bored with writing about this subject as it rolls around pretty frequently - but she still does - bless.

            Unfortunately, I think spinners take advantage of those people, possibly non-English speakers, who are uncertain of their English grammar.
            Lacking the confidence to create unique text in an alien (English) language, they depend on the spinner to do the work for them. Unfortunately, their lack of knowledge of English means they cannot recognise that the spun text is not acceptable. The spinner vendors give promises that you can instantly create 100 articles from one original. They have NEVER proved this once., in fact, without manual intervention, all 100 are low quality, bad grammar garbage.
            They may be better sending their original to an outsources writer to create good English translations. Ironically, many of these outsourced writers are overseas, such as India and Phillippines!

            P'raps I ought to start an article writing/spinning service, coz I can rite English proper. Any takers?

            I'm just putting together a semi-joke post about how we read English. I expect to put it on the Forum in the next cuppla days.

            Cheers
            Alan (or nalA, if you're reading the spun version) :p
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            • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
              Originally Posted by Alan Ashwood View Post

              LOL. I love this - and totally agree.



              I doubt that, although you could always wipe your bum with 'em. What's the right way? Select article - spin it 20 times - publish 20 nonsense bad English articles; or spend hours rewriting the 20 spun articles so they make sense. :confused:

              Note to any newbie regarding article spinning. Just look for replies by Alexa Smith. She's the goddess of Article Marketing, and says it like it is. I think she must be pretty bored with writing about this subject as it rolls around pretty frequently - but she still does - bless.

              Unfortunately, I think spinners take advantage of those people, possibly non-English speakers, who are uncertain of their English grammar.
              Lacking the confidence to create unique text in an alien (English) language, they depend on the spinner to do the work for them. Unfortunately, their lack of knowledge of English means they cannot recognise that the spun text is not acceptable. The spinner vendors give promises that you can instantly create 100 articles from one original. They have NEVER proved this once., in fact, without manual intervention, all 100 are low quality, bad grammar garbage.
              They may be better sending their original to an outsources writer to create good English translations. Ironically, many of these outsourced writers are overseas, such as India and Phillippines!

              P'raps I ought to start an article writing/spinning service, coz I can rite English proper. Any takers?

              I'm just putting together a semi-joke post about how we read English. I expect to put it on the Forum in the next cuppla days.

              Cheers
              Alan (or nalA, if you're reading the spun version) :p
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              What you do not get is that seed article was submitted to over 5000 articles directories. 30 of those articles are on Ezinearticles.com. I just took 2 to prove a point. I bet you can not write 700 well written articles in the time it takes me to produce 1 seed article.

              Originally Posted by Alan Ashwood View Post

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              Note to any newbie regarding article spinning. Just look for replies by Alexa Smith. She's the goddess of Article Marketing, and says it like it is. I think she must be pretty bored with writing about this subject as it rolls around pretty frequently - but she still does - bless.
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              Do that only if you want to read negative comments from a person that believes there is only one way to do article marketing. Which happens to be her way. Her way is a great way to do Article marketing, however it is not the only way.
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              • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
                Here is a video that proves spinning does not produce garbage if done in the right way...


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                • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
                  Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

                  Here is a video that proves spinning does not produce garbage if done in the right way...

                  Does Article Spinning work? - YouTube

                  Shannon

                  A very convincing video Shannon. I wrote the previous post before I saw this. You make a fair and repeated point that you are looking for backlinks (even though Ezine etc. are not the best way to do this any more). If people are picking up your articles for publishing, then they have some value, I will concede that.
                  You must have crafted an excellent seed article in the first place, and full credit for that, but I think most people are looking for a 'lazy' way to create articles from second rate originals - which become, at best, third rate.
                  Well done on your success with this, but all the spinners I've tested ( a lot of them) still produce nonsense at best, garbage at worst.

                  I did not intend to offend, just publish my opinion.

                  I hope Alexa sees this, as I'd like to read her response.

                  Cheers

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                  • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
                    Originally Posted by Alan Ashwood View Post


                    I did not intend to offend, just publish my opinion.

                    I hope Alexa sees this, as I'd like to read her response.

                    Cheers

                    Alan

                    Oooh, THERE she is!
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              • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
                Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

                What you do not get is that seed article was submitted to over 5000 articles directories. 30 of those articles are on Ezinearticles.com. I just took 2 to prove a point. I bet you can not write 700 well written articles in the time it takes me to produce 1 seed article.
                Of course you're right. Absolutely. Cannot dispute your logic. Totally agree.

                BUT

                You can't tell me your spinners produced 700 (or 70, or 7) WELL WRITTEN articles either. You're just lucky that some scraped through. I don't know what sort of message (sorry, mess) they're leaving about you either.

                Or perhps you checked each one to confirm it was still a Quality, well written article.

                Quantity over quality? I know what I think.
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                • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                  These are crazy, weird discussions, guys ...

                  I have every sympathy with your perspectives, but respectfully (really!) I offer you the observation that there has never yet been a substantial thread discussing "spinning" in this forum in which someone promoting a spinning service in their sig-file hasn't argued with every word that those with the relevant experience have said on the subject. And realistically, this thread isn't suddenly going to be any different.

                  These arguments ultimately boil down to "mistaken causation": people will spin articles, get some benefits from it, and wrongly tell others that the benefit arose from the fact that they were spun, rather than in spite of that. You can't stop that from happening, and neither can I.

                  There will always be people with financial interests of their own involved in obscuring the realities around these, and related, issues. Thankfully, that's normally pretty easy for others to see, though.

                  Meanwhile, for people who are genuinely beginners and wanting to understand something about the subject, there are still plenty of informative, realistic threads to which to refer them, in which the backlink sellers are outnumbered by professional article marketers with a mass of collective experience of "spinning" and "not spinning" who can (and do) truly compare the two approaches independently.

                  http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...necessary.html
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                  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
                    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


                    These arguments ultimately boil down to "mistaken causation": people will spin articles, get some benefits from it, and wrongly tell others that the benefit arose from the fact that they were spun, rather than in spite of that. You can't stop that from happening, and neither can I.
                    Actually if I remember correctly I challenged you to prove that spinning does give an advantage in Search Engine Marketing, and you declined stating you do not care about SEO.

                    Like I have said before, I have proven data from testing that shows that spinning does help in SEO.

                    You have 1 opinion and that is yours, and when I come in these threads to argue the point I remove my signature.

                    You are just closed minded and hard headed. And then you try to fall on the... he is promoting his service, when I am not. I removed my sig from these discussions before your last reply. So again, your opinion is simply that an opinion. My stance is derived from proven data over, years of testing SEO.

                    Shannon
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                    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
                      Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

                      Actually if I remember correctly I challenged you to prove that spinning does give an advantage in Search Engine Marketing, and you declined stating you do not care about SEO.

                      Like I have said before, I have proven data from testing that shows that spinning does help in SEO.

                      You have 1 opinion and that is yours, and when I come in these threads to argue the point I remove my signature.

                      You are just closed minded and hard headed. And then you try to fall on the... he is promoting his service, when I am not. I removed my sig from these discussions before your last reply. So again, your opinion is simply that, an opinion. My stance is derived from proven data over, years of testing SEO.

                      Shannon
                      Will you post this data for everyone to see, Shannon?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
                        Listen it boils down to indexed pages. In and outside of the supplemental results.

                        I will give you the test to run that verifies my logic.

                        Take one keyword with two domains that vary by one letter.

                        Example... einternetmarketing.com and iinternetmarketing.com

                        Then write similar front pages, with the exact same met data, keyword density and site structure.

                        The, start your SEO. One with only writing 1 article and then submitting them to 100 article directories.

                        Then SEO the other with submitting spun articles.

                        After a couple of weeks, look were the rankings lie.

                        What will happen is the one site that was promoted with a single article distributed over the article directories is going to rank lower in the search engines.

                        Why is that?

                        Because links to your site, from what I have found, from content in the supplemental index do not carry as much weight as links in the searchable index.

                        Video coming to explain this better...

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                        • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
                          Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

                          Listen it boils down to indexed pages. In and outside of the supplemental results.

                          I will give you the test to run that verifies my logic.

                          Take one keyword with two domains that vary by one letter.

                          Example... einternetmarketing.com and iinternetmarketing.com

                          Then write similar front pages, with the exact same met data, keyword density and site structure.

                          The, start your SEO. One with only writing 1 article and then submitting them to 100 article directories.

                          Then SEO the other with submitting spun articles.

                          After a couple of weeks, look were the rankings lie.

                          What will happen is the one site that was promoted with a single article distributed over the article directories is going to rank lower in the search engines.

                          Why is that?

                          Because links to your site, from what I have found, from content in the supplemental index do not carry as much weight as links in the searchable index.

                          Video coming to explain this better...
                          I understand exactly what you're saying, but the issue I have with this is as follows:

                          Assuming that the outcome would be as you predict, how can one reasonably know that it's due to backlinks from non-spun/unique articles being of greater strength (due to potentially being in Google's main index rather than the supplemental index) and not simply due to the possibility that more of those unique articles were published and indexed on those article directories / submission sites in the first place, thus giving a greater number of backlinks? E.g., perhaps because the webmasters of these so-called "directories" won't approve any articles that are already published elsewhere out of silly concerns of "duplicate content" penalties being applied to their sites.

                          You'd have to ensure that backlinks for both test sites were from exactly the same directories (so they would, in theory, pass roughly the same "juice"), that they were of exactly the same number, and that they were all indexed by Google. That's no easy feat.

                          And that's without considering many other uncontrollable "hidden" factors that could be tipping the balance.

                          Don't you see how easy it is to fall victim to the unholy phenomenon of - as Alexa calls it - "mistaken causation"?
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                          • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
                            Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

                            You'd have to ensure that backlinks for both test sites were from exactly the same directories (so they would, in theory, pass roughly the same "juice"), that they were of exactly the same number, and that they were all indexed by Google. That's no easy feat.
                            Here is the thing, it is about proving that the links in fact provide different juice. It is about proving that you will end up with more links from the spun article.

                            It is about proving you get more SEO benefit from spun article. And if every link was the same you would get the same result every time. So you need to identify which link gives you more. Which article gives you more indexed pages. That is what I am looking at.

                            In every other control you try to make it as similar as possible.

                            Then you preform the test multiple times. Then you can come to a conclusion. Is my conclusion correct? I believe so, and it is working for my business. Just like you believe your way is correct and it is working for your business.

                            But just to state this again. I am not trying to disprove your way of doing things, I am just proving that there is in fact different ways of doing things.

                            Also, please see the video I will be adding to better explain this.

                            Also, when it comes to SEO, only Google knows the truth. I can test to try and figure things out. In the end it is the people that design the algorithm that know the real truth
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                          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                            Originally Posted by Alan Ashwood View Post

                            I hope Alexa sees this, as I'd like to read her response.
                            I'm hiding away in post #50 ("if you get the last post on the previous page, you cause less trouble" :p ).

                            Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

                            Don't you see how easy it is to fall victim to the unholy phenomenon of - as Alexa calls it - "mistaken causation"?
                            Sometimes I call it "mistakenly attributed causation" but today I was evidently in a hurry to get in before any more of it appeared in this thread, so I went, uncharacteristically, for the "economy of verbiage" approach. Ultimately, though, on this subject, this type of illogic can't altogether be avoided. You're completely right, of course, in all you say, but all I can do is repeat what I said in post #50 above, and nobody's going to enjoy that - least of all myself.

                            I look at these threads (I strongly suspect) completely differently from others: my objective is to measure comparatively the proportions of information and misinformation in them, simply with a view to determining whether each one is, or isn't, going to constitute a potentially worthwhile explanation to which to refer the many others who will inevitably - understandably - repeat the same questions in future.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
                              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                              I'm hiding away in post #50 ("if you get the last post on the previous page, you cause less trouble" :p ).



                              Sometimes I call it "mistakenly attributed causation" but today I was evidently in a hurry to get in before any more of it appeared in this thread, so I went, uncharacteristically, for the "economy of verbiage" approach. Ultimately, though, on this subject, this type of illogic can't altogether be avoided. You're completely right, of course, in all you say, but all I can do is repeat what I said in post #50 above, and nobody's going to enjoy that - least of all myself.

                              I look at these threads (I strongly suspect) completely differently from others: my objective is to measure comparatively the proportions of information and misinformation in them, simply with a view to determining whether each one is, or isn't, going to constitute a potentially worthwhile explanation to which to refer the many others who will inevitably - understandably - repeat the same questions in future.
                              The only "mistakenly attributed causation" in these threads is your unwillingness to except proper article spinning as a viable form of marketing. I am an SEO expert. I have been doing this for a very long time.

                              If done in the right way spinning is beneficial for SEO purposes. If done in the wrong way it is not. However, debating with a narcissist is a no win situation. I am just here to let people know spinning is a viable form of SEO if done properly.

                              Take away the fancy grammar and different profile pics every day and people will see what your opinions truly are... Just opinions that merit no weight in the conversation.

                              When it comes to article writing and syndication though you know your stuff and people should pull out a pen and paper and take notes.

                              When it comes to spinning you have an opinion and that is it.

                              Shannon
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                              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                                Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

                                Take away the fancy grammar and different profile pics every day
                                Such heights of professionalism we've now reached in this discussion. :rolleyes:

                                This thread's now apparently producing snide personal remarks which are simply nothing to do with the subject at all. I won't be dragged down to that level of conversation, myself, so with apologies I'll just leave you to it, guys, if you'll excuse me, rather than trying to respond. Not wanting to sound arrogant, here, but I do feel that we're all entitled to and deserve a basic level of civility in the forum.

                                For the record, I normally change my avatar once a month, Shannon, but I'm glad to be so noticeable to you that it apparently seems like 30 times as often.
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                              • Profile picture of the author vince04
                                Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post


                                If done in the right way spinning is beneficial for SEO purposes. If done in the wrong way it is not. However, debating with a narcissist is a no win situation. I am just here to let people know spinning is a viable form of SEO if done properly.


                                Shannon
                                Thanks for this info! So paraphrasing every single sentences is a proper way to spin articles? Am I Right?

                                How about changing 2-3 words to their synonyms in one sentence?

                                For example:

                                You can separate your jewelry in various zippered compartments, which keeps them from becoming tangled


                                You can detached your jewelry in several zippered compartments, which preserves them from becoming tangled.
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                            • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
                              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                              I look at these threads (I strongly suspect) completely differently from others: my objective is to measure comparatively the proportions of information and misinformation in them, simply with a view to determining whether each one is, or isn't, going to constitute a potentially worthwhile explanation to which to refer the many others who will inevitably - understandably - repeat the same questions in future.
                              What I would like for Christmas is for you to send me that handy text-file of URLs you keep on your desktop, ordered alphabetically by topics of popular misguidance (or perhaps "level of personal contempt"), from which you routinely extract these links you scatter throughout your posts.

                              (Nah, you don't use the search function each time; I know this file exists! :p)

                              Sharing is caring.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
                                Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

                                What I would like for Christmas is for you to send me that handy text-file of URLs you keep on your desktop, ordered alphabetically by topics of popular misguidance (or perhaps "level of personal contempt"), from which you routinely extract these links you scatter throughout your posts.

                                (Nah, you don't use the search function each time; I know this file exists! :p)

                                Sharing is caring.
                                Eyup lad, I've been thinking the same thing myself. At least it show she's organised.

                                I've already taken a leaf, so to speak, and started compiling my own.

                                I'm very careful before I contact Alexa about anything. I think she's becoming infatuated with me, and I don't need a stalker.

                                Everywhere I go she seems to be there! Creepy huh?

                                I don't like to tell her that my previous name was Alan SMITH. Again spooky. Good job it wasn't Alex, we might have an identity crisis.

                                Nah - I'm far too good looking (I nearly said sexy, but I don't want to be offensive... oh sorry, I just did).

                                I'm just about to sign up with that Yorkshire broadbnd company, so that should double the employmeny figures. Keeping it British eh?

                                T'ra f'now.
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                                Time for a cuppa.
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                                • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
                                  Eyup,

                                  Originally Posted by Alan Ashwood View Post

                                  I don't like to tell her that my previous name was Alan SMITH. Again spooky.
                                  Well, I'll be bloody beggared... mind yuh, as folk sez 'ere in 'shire, better ta keep it in t'family, eh? :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
    Originally Posted by LoveGrowth View Post

    I have never spun articles before and have no knowledge of how it works. So I found a gig on fiverr.com which stated they would send me 3 spintax articles on whatever keywords I sent.

    I just researched my articles and have tried many different spintax "things" sites and can't get the articles to work or look normal.

    I feel really stupid even asking this question but I don't know what to do with them now.

    Tiffany
    You're not stupid, it's stupid to know your problem and NOT ASK!

    Before you sweat over spun articles,you need to identify whether yu really need them. If your article is for syndication with, say Ezine Articles, you do not need to spin or even manually amend it at all. There are may previous threads on this subject.

    My opinion of spinners? English in - garbage out. May just as well rewrite is yourself. At least it would make sense.

    Alan
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    Time for a cuppa.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    I understand the 'theory' of spinning articles, but in practice, it seems such a short term strategy. Yes, you may get a few backlinks, but the content I've seen almost always reflects badly on the author....and the results of every spinner software I've seen is almost unreadable.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      Yes, you may get a few backlinks
      I suspect that many people do this not realising that they could have got exactly the same backlinks with exactly the same linkjuice by following an otherwise identical procedure and simply omitting the "spinning" part of the process. Typically because they mistakenly imagine that that would produce "duplicate content" and possibly even get them "penalized". :rolleyes:

      It's worth clarifying that a given backlink, on a given page of the web, isn't somehow, magically, improved by being attached to content which has been spun instead of to content which has been syndicated without having been spun.

      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      the content I've seen almost always reflects badly on the author....and the results of every spinner software I've seen is almost unreadable.
      Same here - few people (other than those promoting spinning services, perhaps) will argue with this perspective, I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Every time a thread about spinning pops up, I typically ask this question.

    To what extent or degree was spinning related to THIS occurring?:
    Pandalized: Websites Negatively Impacted by Google's Panda Algorithm Change.

    (Take note of EZA, HubPages, etc)

    That question is always ignored or glanced over, for one reason or another.

    The "blame", I believe, was two fold....people exploiting the sites with low quality content and the sites themselves not having the quality control processes in place to protect from them. Either way, I tend to believe that spun content had a huge impact on these businesses (contrary to what some may think, these are actually someone's businesses....)
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    • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
      I, like you, believe spun articles helped to trigger Panda and will continue to force Google to find ways to identify original content and filter out the crap, spun stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author ibmethatswhoib
    I think spun content doesn't help the internet, neither do WSO's that recycle and spin the same old stuff and glorify it. It's all spun content really, do both work if you know how to use them? Yup....So you can go to either schools of thought, they both work if done right. But to answer your question, ya I agree with Fluffy. Check fiver if you want a cheap gig to send out your spun content or you can purchase some tools but do your research first.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMonkey
    Spinning only ever works if you have someone write them who really knows there stuff. Spin software (which is what someone charging you a fiverr will be using) is incredibly inefficient and you will end up with garbage. Manually written high end spintax with sub-clauses etc can be really effective but as has been pointed out its almost quicker just to re-write PLR dozens of times.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gil Doer
    Man...

    You guys are at it again..? Well this IS a forum.

    Cheers to yet another heated yet educational (hopefully) debate.?!

    It makes me want to watch Real Steel for some reason.

    No sucker punches please!

    Jeesh...
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    Gil...

    Genius is ninety percent perspiration and ten percent inspiration.

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  • Profile picture of the author anders3397
    Nothing beats quality, unique content in my opinion. After all, when you think of the reader as a real person, isn't that what you would want for them - to have a quality experience reading through your material?
    If you can't/don't want to write articles yourself it would be better to find someone to write you one quality article than spin 20.
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