When article marketing, how many words are your articles?

by blackhawkup Banned
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Just wondering, when submitting your articles to different entities (eza, blogs, newsletters) do you find a better response from writing longer articles (1000 words - 1500 words). Or mid sized articles (500 words - 850 words).

thanks guys and gals.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    In my writing and experimentation, I've found that 1,000+ word articles work the best. These take time to write, I know. I feel the reason why my 1,000+ word articles manage to gain tens of thousands of views is because, along with SEO/LSI techniques, they are able to just naturally integrate synonyms and other keywords: making them much more likely to come up in search for a variety of terms.
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    • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      In my writing and experimentation, I've found that 1,000+ word articles work the best. These take time to write, I know. I feel the reason why my 1,000+ word articles manage to gain tens of thousands of views is because, along with SEO/LSI techniques, they are able to just naturally integrate synonyms and other keywords: making them much more likely to come up in search for a variety of terms.
      yeah thats what i was thinking..
      so about how long does it take you to write one of these 1000+ word articles?
      and what do you do in terms of research?
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Callen
    It depends on what your purpose is for your articles. Are you doing article marketing for SEO purposes, are you simply writing some review articles on your blogs, are you trying to get some traffic from ezine articles directly, or ......

    For SEO purposes, I recommend 300-450 keyword articles. And the quality needs to be pretty good (in that it's related to the links that you're putting in it and the content itself makes sense). The main point for this is to build your links. It's not necessarily to get direct traffic from those submitted articles.

    If you're wanting to get direct traffic from articles themselves (and not the secondary effect of getting traffic from the SEs), then I would suggest a large article directory like ezine articles, or guest blog post on someon's popular blog. But from my experience, you're not going to get much traffic doing that. It's best to do article marketing for the SEO purpose.

    If you're writing articles to review something on your own blogs, then the point is to review it good and persuade the reader to pick up your opinion. So just write as much as you need to make that happen. Word count isn't all that important, unless you're writing forever long, and you lose the reader's interest.

    Again, with SEO... the articles you submit are usually not read by that many "real people" so keeping the content about 300-450 words is plenty.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
    Originally Posted by Rich Jackson View Post

    Just wondering, when submitting your articles to different entities (eza, blogs, newsletters) do you find a better response from writing longer articles (1000 words - 1500 words). Or mid sized articles (500 words - 850 words).

    thanks guys and gals.
    I think it depends on where you are submitting. When submitting to Ezine Articles, I usually aim at something between 1,200 and 1,500 words, more often than not, 1,500 words. Why? Because all my EZA submissions are geared towards webmasters seeking content for their websites, newsletters, etc. Usually they have 'x' amount of space to fill, so my article will very often represent less work for the webmaster. He/she will also remember me kindly and actively seek out my work next time he/she has space to fill.

    When submitting to blogs other than my own, I generally scale back to between 900 and 1,000 words.
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  • Profile picture of the author smith2
    A good article must have 500-800 word range. In article marketing, write as a third person and keep in mind your target audience for while you build knowledge. Unique and trendy titles always clickable.

    Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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      Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

      I think it depends on where you are submitting. When submitting to Ezine Articles, I usually aim at something between 1,200 and 1,500 words, more often than not, 1,500 words. Why? Because all my EZA submissions are geared towards webmasters seeking content for their websites, newsletters, etc. Usually they have 'x' amount of space to fill, so my article will very often represent less work for the webmaster. He/she will also remember me kindly and actively seek out my work next time he/she has space to fill.

      When submitting to blogs other than my own, I generally scale back to between 900 and 1,000 words.
      ok I see.So "normally" newsletters prefer longer articles and blogs prefer mid sized....(of course this will differ from site to site). but this gives me a basic understanding.)

      maybe you can answer...
      how long does it take you to research the topics for your articles?


      Originally Posted by smith2 View Post

      A good article must have 500-800 word range. In article marketing, write as a third person and keep in mind your target audience for while you build knowledge. Unique and trendy titles always clickable.

      Thank you
      thank you for your comment, albeit misleading (A good article must have 500-800 word range)..to each his own.
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      • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
        Originally Posted by Rich Jackson View Post

        maybe you can answer...
        how long does it take you to research the topics for your articles?
        My writing covers subjects relating to my own blogs/websites, so it doesn't really involve any research. I do try to keep abreast of any niche related news/developments by setting up relevant Google alerts.
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          I agree with the individual who said that "it all depends" what you hope to do with your article.

          I could see where a short, high quality, article on Clickbank could manifest into a great click-thru on signature links, especially if the content flows seamless into that signature block.

          For me, I've gone towards and adsense business model, coupled with Amazon/Linkshare/CJ, etc, simply because I feel it's very scalable. Also, I've found that the RIGHT kind of content can go viral very easily--causing huge viewership on your content.

          In that business model, I also don't JUST limit myself to words. My best articles have taken quite some time to write (actually, I prefer to call it "crafting"), because they really have to be well thought out and developed around video and high quality images.

          For example, one of my recent articles was entitled "Top 10 Most Powerful and Inspiring Post Tragedy Songs Ever Written and Recorded". In this article, I integrated images and video--both a necessity, I believe, to provide a high amount of quality and value to the end user.
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          • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            I agree with the individual who said that "it all depends" what you hope to do with your article.
            my articles are going to be submitted directly to ezines..so i pretty much figured i would have to go the (write longer post) route.
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  • Profile picture of the author larrydcook
    Hey Rick, Thanks for posting this thread! I was weondering the same thing & the replys here are really an eye opener!

    All the best to you & thanks for all the great info warriors this a great place to be for in "a multitude of consulors there is wisdom!"
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  • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
    Honestly, I've found that it all depends on the subject matter. I've written great stuff that's gotten great results that's 1,200 words. I've also gotten great results from articles that are 400 words.

    The main thing to remember is that there is no "magic" word length. People are looking for information, and they're looking for it in a way that's interesting to read. If you can sum up everything you need to say in 400 words, that's alot better than dragging on for 800 words because you think it will "convert better".
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    • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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      Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett View Post

      Honestly, I've found that it all depends on the subject matter. I've written great stuff that's gotten great results that's 1,200 words. I've also gotten great results from articles that are 400 words.

      The main thing to remember is that there is no "magic" word length. People are looking for information, and they're looking for it in a way that's interesting to read. If you can sum up everything you need to say in 400 words, that's alot better than dragging on for 800 words because you think it will "convert better".
      very true, i never looked at it like that.

      I guess I wasn't looking for a "magic" word length, more so a length that will be accepted by more "syndicators" if you will.

      I don't want to start cranking out 400 word articles only to find that the newsletters wont accept them because they are looking for a larger word count..

      I hope that makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Kohler
    I recommend 400-600 word articles on Ezine Articles. Here's why...

    If you write a really long article, you are going to lose the reader.

    The objective is to hook them with good information, then have a link to the "other 1/2" of the article in your resource box.

    So if you are going to write a longer article, 1000 to 1200 words, break it in 1/2 so that you can submit it to Ezine Articles, and then use the other 1/2 as content on your money site so that is congruent with the article submitted.

    Doing so ensures you will not lose the reader, and also "continue the conversation" on your money site.

    Hope that helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author thadbong
    Listen to Nicole, she knows what she's talking about.

    Personally I find that my "sweet spot" is 700+ words, that's typically the length that it takes me to communicate my articles' main ideas.

    A good measure is to ask yourself these questions:

    1. Have I delivered on the promise I made at the start of my article?
    2. Have I helped to answer the question the reader had in mind when they searched this topic?
    3. Have I provided a solution to the problem that led the reader to search the topic in the first place?

    If you can exceed the expectations of the reader in these 3 elements you've got yourself a brilliant article, regardless of the length.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Every single time there's been a discussion here on this subject, over the last 3 years, it's impressed me (a lot) how often all the Warriors I judge and know to be truly successful, high-earning, professional article marketers have reported that they're routinely writing 900-1,200+ word articles. As I am myself, now.

      I consistently get far more traffic and backlinks, and opt-ins, and sales, out of a 1,000/1,200-word article than I ever did out of two 500/600-word ones (even though the latter arrangement obviously provides twice as many resource-boxes).

      Quite apart from the purpose of article marketing being to get high quality articles in front of highly targeted traffic, nothing helps my websites to rank highly as much as syndication of my articles to relevant sites. And almost nobody's syndicating short articles (for all the obvious reasons - and then some). So, sometimes, it appears, "length matters".

      People who have been to the "urban myth school" of internet marketing prefer to believe that 400/500 words is better because "people get bored with more". What I suspect they don't take into account is that the people who "get bored with more" (and some do, I accept) probably aren't going to be customers anyway, so their views aren't too relevant. Either that, or they're just projecting their own boredom onto their readers.

      Then again, if what one means by an "article" is "a chunk of semi-literate keyword-optimized text to which backlinks can be attached for SEO purposes only and who cares whether anyone actually reads it because it was only written for search-engines anyway", well, that's a different question altogether, isn't it? But anyone looking at what they call "article marketing" as being "a branch of SEO" probably wouldn't have read this far down the thread, anyway ...
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      • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Quite apart from the purpose of article marketing being to get high quality articles in front of highly targeted traffic, nothing helps my websites to rank highly as much as syndication of my articles to relevant sites. And almost nobody's syndicating short articles (for all the obvious reasons - and then some). So, sometimes, it appears, "length matters".

        People who have been to the "urban myth school" of internet marketing prefer to believe that 400/500 words is better because "people get bored with more". What I suspect they don't take into account is that the people who "get bored with more" (and some do, I accept) probably aren't going to be customers anyway, so their views aren't too relevant. Either that, or they're just projecting their own boredom onto their readers.
        your argument...or better yet your point of view does validate my train of thought.

        when article marketing, one needs to find a way "filter" the potential prospects who will never buy and/or those who are the least interested in the topics discussed.

        And a good way to do this is to write longer more informative posts that aren't overly keyword optimized and written for google.

        I do have one question though: you said people do not syndicate shorter articles for "obvious reasons"....do you mind stating a few of those reasons? I'm just curious to know!
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Rich Jackson View Post

          when article marketing, one needs to find a way "filter" the potential prospects who will never buy and/or those who are the least interested in the topics discussed.
          Exactly so.

          The mistake is to take a quantitative approach to the traffic and just "try to attract as many people as possible". This is "writing for clicks" and of course it doesn't usually work.

          Those are typically the article marketers who think in terms of click-through rates, and mistakenly assume that if their click-through rate increases, their income will also increase. Not only is it completely wrong, but sometimes even the exact opposite can be the case (as it was for me), and there are good and valid reasons for that (which I didn't really understand at the time).

          Like so many others aspects of internet marketing, quality and relevance are what matter. For traffic attracted, as well as for articles. It's twice as well-paid to attract 100 people, half of whom become customers, as it is to attract 500 people, of whom only 5% become customers. Actually it's considerably more than twice as well-paid, really, because of the eventual upsells. It's also more fun, easier to do, and less wasteful of resources.

          The "easy assumption" is that if you attract the 500 people instead of the 100 people, those 500 people will include the 100 people anyway so "all the rest is potential gain". This isn't how it works. The reality is that attracting the 500 people will almost certainly lose almost all of the 100 people you actually wanted, because different people respond to different things, so the more you filter them out, the better, if you have a way of keeping the ones you want.

          We see this with squeeze-pages, too. I split-tested four unrelated niches, with my affiliate sites, and in each of the four niches I built a bigger list with a squeeze page than with my normal sort of landing page, but made less money from those lists over a 6-month period. Not enough filtering. Different people attracted.

          Originally Posted by Rich Jackson View Post

          you said people do not syndicate shorter articles for "obvious reasons"....do you mind stating a few of those reasons? I'm just curious to know!
          I think the main reasons are ...

          (i) People looking for content to publish tend to have a certain quantity of space to fill, on a regular or semi-regular basis. Just as when you and I go off blog-commenting, the time-consuming and difficult part of the equation for us is to identify and find suitable blogs on which to comment, the difficult thing for them is finding and identifying suitable content in the first place. The more of their space you can fill for them, the more they'll want you: it's far easier for them to take two 1,200-word articles to fill their space than it is for them to have to find six suitable shorter articles, and they know they'll end up having to use some bad ones, if they do it that way;

          (ii) I know that some of this "finding content to publish" work is farmed out to cheap outsourcees in countries where $10 is a day's pay, and therefore the people doing this don't have quite the same incentive to "take care" over it that you or I would have, for our own sites, and again if you can give them a lot of content all in one go, the length alone will appeal to them just because you're making their work easy, and that "gets you syndicated";

          (iii) At the other end of the spectrum, where people want real quality and are ultra-selective about what they'll publish, they're also more likely to take longer articles which can much more easily develop a theme, say something new and interesting, and/or provide a "self-contained way of thinking" about a problem/situation than shorter ones can;

          There are other reasons, too, I'm sure ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Interesting...

    Was just about to post and I see that a lot of the more experienced Warriors (at least in my mind) have found the same thing...

    I normally make sure my articles are between 800 - 1000+ words now and get far better results.

    Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Rich Jackson View Post

      Just wondering, when submitting your articles to different entities (eza, blogs, newsletters) do you find a better response from writing longer articles (1000 words - 1500 words). Or mid sized articles (500 words - 850 words).

      thanks guys and gals.
      Rich, I was going to be a smartass and just answer 'yes' to your question. But I resisted the temptation.

      It's kind of a 'horses for courses' question.

      If you want to see your article on a site where the most popular articles are 500-900 words, aim for the 800-900 word mark. Sending that particular site owner a 1,500 word article probably won't work, and may not be effective even if it is accepted.

      That said, in the long run I too have had the best success syndicating articles in the 1,000 to 1,500 word length.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMWinner
    I think it really depends on the subject and the audience that you are trying to present your articles. If you were to post and use your own written articles in your own site, it would be best if you could write it between 500 - 700 words since we have to understand the interest span of a person. You have to make sure that the content and how it will be delivered is brief and direct to the readers.
    For me, I usually deliver 500 - 800 word articles to my clients and at times, I use and submit 1300 word article. It really depends on the topic/subject of the article required and is needed for my blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author the lord
    I think this is still good saati make use of 600 - 1000 words. prefer google website with a lot of article, because websites that can provide the best and unique content that you want to view google.

    I've tried using the 600 articles and a results are very good for SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I absolutely hate word number restrictions. How long an article is should be determined by what you need to say about something to make the article useful. I usually keep them to at least 500 words minimum because that seems to be what people are looking for - but will use as many as I need to use (without useless filler) to get the info out.

    One article I did was only 450 words, about a DIY gem hunting tool, and it got an unbelievable response. Spiked my site's traffic, then got taken by a lot of people for posting on their own sites and newsletters.

    I had another that was only around 300 words that was doing awesome - but got nuked because it was too short. I'd not have been able to increase it without making it into mush so I just let it slide.

    Most of the time my articles end up at 800 - 1,100 words and I can see traffic response differences by subject, but not by word count.
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    • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I absolutely had word number restrictions. How long an article is should be determined by what you need to say about something to make the article useful. I usually keep them to at least 500 words because that seems to be what people are looking for - but will use as many as I need to use (without useless filler) to get the info out.

      One article I did was only 450 words, about a DIY gem hunting tool, and it got an unbelievable response. Spiked my site's traffic, then got taken by a lot of people for posting on their own sites and newsletters.

      I had another that was only around 300 words that was doing awesome - but got nuked because it was too short. I'd not have been able to increase it without making it into mush so I just let it slide.

      Most of the time my articles end up at 800 - 1,100 words and I can see traffic response differences by subject, but not by word count.
      your perspective helps a lot. write as much as you need to in order to thoroughly get the point across...and cut out the filler.

      in some cases shorter articles work better in other cases go for longer articles.

      I guess it would be wise to do some research ahead of time to see what the majority of the syndicated articles look like.

      so if i look at 10 different ezines and i look through 10 of their archives and the majority of them have shorter articles, then it's probably safe to say that this specific niche "prefers" shorter articles and the same should hold true for longer articles....

      good stuff!
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    • Profile picture of the author David Ogden
      HeySal,

      Great post, I always use as few words as possible to deliver a message there is nothing worse than reading an article which beats about the bush because the author has to submit a minimum number of words.

      I like to use around 300-350 words, short and sweet and then I can also reuse the same content in blog posts. On the other hand I have written longer articles of up to 1,000 words because the subject was quite complex.
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  • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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    so here's a question for you article marketing experts....

    how much of your original article do you give to the ezines to post in their newsletter.

    because i read somewhere that some article marketers give half of their article to the ezines then in resource box they say something along these lines "to read the rest of this article please visit XXXXXX.com".

    do you think it's wise to do this?
    or do you just give the whole article?
    and why? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Well, I'm surprised I got my point acrossed with the typo "had" instead of "hate" - changed that one, oops.

    Article submission sites sometimes have a minimum and maximum word count - not much you can do to get around that one.

    As far as articles - if I'm going to give one out, I just give it out.... with the understanding it is published with a byline and link back to my site. I've had several of my articles used on websites that wouldn't have published it with a "read more" instead of the whole article so I would have been cutting my throat to do so. A few of those websites are real class acts for my niche, so I gave them a class act to put up. Period. I suppose if you have a deal with an ezine owner, though, a "read more" might fly well for that type of thing.

    Just remember - there isn't one blanket answer for anything in marketing - do whatever is best for the medium you are working with at the time. Be professional and show some class and it will always work to your advantage.
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    • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Well, I'm surprised I got my point acrossed with the typo "had" instead of "hate" - changed that one, oops.
      Don't worry we all knew exactly what you meant..thank you for your expertise.


      Just remember - there isn't one blanket answer for anything in marketing - do whatever is best for the medium you are working with at the time. Be professional and show some class and it will always work to your advantage.
      very well said.
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  • Profile picture of the author jushuaburnham
    Well for 450 to 700 words for eza would be enough!
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      For almost all of my niches it appears that 900-1200 words is optimum, and is what syndicated partners have become accustomed to. If you are regularly contributing to established outlets, it is beneficial to be consistent within as many parameters as possible. This includes article length, quality, style, terminology, topic relevance, factual accuracy, delivery schedule, etc. Along with name recognition, these characteristics provide a more subtle but very powerful nuance of branding and establishing implied authority apart from the competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author whatihave
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    I've always written 500 word articles and never found them to be very beneficial in terms of traffic. Maybe the longer articles do work better.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephfoster
    I'm pretty flexible. Length depends on what I need in order to say what I mean to say. I've written articles where I've struggled to get over 400 words and articles where I wasn't done at 1500.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    I sure hope everyone realizes that you have more than just "words" at your disposal when crafting high quality content.

    For instance, you can use videos and pictures, as well, to complement what you are writing.

    This is just one example of an article I wrote recently that exceeds 1,400 words.
    Top 10 Most Powerful and Inspiring National Post-Tragedy Songs Ever Written and Recorded - InfoBarrel

    Sure, you can rely on SEO, at least to some degree....but, you also really want to craft content that people will share.
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  • Profile picture of the author RAMarketing
    Word count depends on the niche and is secondary to content. For many coupon keywords, you could have a ONE SENTENCE post with a great code, and it will be shared enough for you to rank.

    For dealing with the crippling effects of divorce with children, a 1500 word article wouldn't scratch the surface. Go to forums, read magazine/sites in your niche, and average the top 10 articles for a decent word count idea. But again: deliver the information the reader wants, plus a little more, then leave them curious. Word count will come by accident :-)

    EDIT: Great article on the songs by the way
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  • Profile picture of the author BenKJunya
    1000-1500 is ideal if you want to create an impact with your audience. Give lots of examples that way your audience will be engrossed. Don't bore the audience and in case the topics you deal with are dry then cut down on the words to approximately 400-500 words.
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  • Profile picture of the author bastion
    I usually write 500-100 words articles.



    I never spin them, always writing unique content. That works best for me.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Rich Jackson View Post

        so here's a question for you article marketing experts....

        how much of your original article do you give to the ezines to post in their newsletter.

        because i read somewhere that some article marketers give half of their article to the ezines then in resource box they say something along these lines "to read the rest of this article please visit XXXXXX.com".

        do you think it's wise to do this?
        or do you just give the whole article?
        and why? lol
        Rich, I just give the whole article. I want the reader to come to my site because they want to extend the experience they got when reading the article. Not because of some goofy curiosity ploy.

        On the flip side, I won't accept half of an article to put on a site or run in a newsletter or ezine. I don't care how good the half I get is. About the only exception, if you can call it that, would be if you had a series of complete articles and you sent me one of them. I'd allow a resource box that said something like 'to read the rest of the articles in this x part series, please visit [url].'

        That's just how I do things. YMMV...
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  • Profile picture of the author KyleFury
    500 word articles are a minimum for me, usually doing 600-700.
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  • Profile picture of the author go4wealth
    This for me has been awesome ...mthe responses incredibly informative. Everyone has contributed quality responses. The top response for me was this

    quality and relevance are what matter
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    Since I don't plan to become a professional article writer I still must write so I don't think I am going to worry about word count and just focus on quality and relevance for what I do write and let the chips fall where they may.
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  • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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    yeah quality and relevance is definitely what matters.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dapper Fellow
    I write articles of at least 500 words for my blogs. However, there are days when I can't stop myself and write 1,500. In the end, both seem to work equally well.
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