Is Microsoft Dumping Vista? If So...What's The REAL Problem?

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Go to Google and type in "Microsoft dumping Vista"

You will find a lot of sites speculating on this with Windows 7 coming out.

This may or may not happen, but if it does, what's the real problem? Is it
really Vista, assuming there is any problem at all?

Let me explain where I'm coming from with this and then how it relates to
YOUR business. Yes, there is a correlation and I think you might see it.

I go back to the days of the Radio Shack TRS 80. Those of you old timers
probably remember it. It didn't do much. I had the dual disk drive version. It
came with the built in OS, think they called it TRSDOS, and I also had a
disk to run BASIC.

I taught at a school where we had some very simple programs that we
used to teach the students.

Nothing ever crashed. Nothing ever went wrong. Sure, you had the
problem of disk drive failures (I think hardware back then was really bad)
but the OS...it was solid.

It also didn't do very much. Hooking up to a printer was about it.

As the years went along, things became more and more complex. We
went from DOS to Windows. My first Windows OS was 3.1.

I can't tell you how many errors I would get with that thing.

It was a nightmare.

Fast forward to the present (because I don't want to go through the
whole history of PCs) and you have some of the most complex home
computing that you could possibly imagine. Third party software is a
big business.

When Windows 95 was out, I had my PC running it for 5 years before the
OS broke down and I had to replace it.

Today, I'm lucky if I can run a PC for a year before the OS crashes on me.

But why?

Is it really the fault of the OS or is it because we're installing all of this
stuff that we didn't have years ago and these systems are just not tested
to be able to withstand all we throw at them?

I'm no techie, so I'm just throwing this out there for smarter folks to
answer.

But here is how this relates to your business as I see it.

When you first start out, your business is pretty simple, that is unless
you throw a boat load of money into it and through outsourcing and other
means, you start out huge. I think that's the exception though I can't
be 100% sure. I know I started small.

Then my business began to grow. I was creating more products and doing
more things. I found it more difficult to handle all that had to be done. If
I wasn't going to outsource, which I stubbornly fought against early on, I
was going to struggle to get everything done. Ultimately, certain things
suffered because there are only so many hours in the day.

How many of you are finding you're having the same problem?

I have come to learn that I can't do it all. It's not possible. Certainly not
once your business expands beyond a certain point.

My point is, if Microsoft dumps Vista (not saying they will or should) was
the problem really with the OS or was it that they simply couldn't handle
what we, as consumers, were throwing at it.

By the same token, if you find your business is crumbling because you've
taken on too much, is it the fault of the business model itself or is it
simply because you don't get others to do things for you that will free up
your time to keep your business running?

Sure, some business models are going to fail. You'll try to tap into a market
that just doesn't exist, or you'll have a product that's crap, or something
else. But when a business that is profitable suddenly runs into problems,
short of the market itself changing, usually I feel it's because the person
running the business isn't running it efficiently.

What do you think?

Valid hypothesis? Any holes in this thought process that you can see?

I'm curious as to what others think not only about running your business
efficiently but what they think about the Vista situation as well.

Hopefully, this will be an interesting topic of conversation.
#dumping #microsoft #problem #real #sowhat #vista
  • Profile picture of the author ADAMw3
    Good analogy, I rather enjoyed this post.

    I just hope windows gets it right this time...
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  • Profile picture of the author Trent Brownrigg
    I think you have good points on both accounts. I know nothing about Vista but your theory sounds like it could be valid. And I can definitely see how your business hypothesis is true! That actually happened to me last year. I was successful for years by sticking to the basics but then I tried taking on way too much and it eventually got to the point where I almost quit. I am getting it back on track now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      My point is, if Microsoft dumps Vista (not saying they will or should) was the problem really with the OS or was it that they simply couldn't handle
      what we, as consumers, were throwing at it.
      Looking at the Microsoft record you see clearly that some OS just weren't what they were cracked up to be - maybe they couldn't handle the load, maybe they just weren't as good as MS expected.

      95 was good, 98SE was very good, XP was great. In between those were 98, ME, 2000 - OS that were never called outstanding. If the previous timeline holds, Windows 7 might be a good one.

      Business is the same - we proceed on a path until the time/profit ratio becomes inefficient or we see profit decreasing - then we change paths.

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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Hi Steven

      So, if I understand your point, it can be summed as "don't expand your business faster than your capability/infrastructure allows".

      Can't argue with that logic.

      I'm not sure that the Windows 7/Vista analogy is that relevant - it may just be down to the quality of the product.

      I haven't switched to Vista (still happily using XP) so I wouldn't comment, but there was an interesting and extensive thread about Windows 7 and the implications for Vista (and other OS) a few days back. If you missed it, here's the link:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ows-me-ii.html


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  • Profile picture of the author tj
    Steven, it can be summed up in one sentence: Never change a running system.

    Timo
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
      Microsoft forgot that they were only a platform...they thought with Vista they could become more than that. Truth is, we only use windows because it is the easiest option. XP was great at leaving you alone so you could do your work...Vista tried to interrupt all the time - too much flair for my taste.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Keyes
        Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

        Microsoft forgot that they were only a platform...they thought with Vista they could become more than that. Truth is, we only use windows because it is the easiest option. XP was great at leaving you alone so you could do your work...Vista tried to interrupt all the time - too much flair for my taste.
        For me, "Truth is, I only use Windows because I don't have many other options!".

        I don't have a mac and don't plan on getting one.
        I love UNIX/Linux but don't the time required to get set up
        99.99% of the programs I need, run on Windows.

        Ugh I can't stand MSFT sometimes. I won't upgrade to Vista while watching all my friends who do experience problems and headaches. No thanks! I get enough of those apart from my OS in my day-to-day online life.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
        I would agree with this statement, Vista drives me nuts constantly wanting to verify everything I do

        Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

        XP was great at leaving you alone so you could do your work...Vista tried to interrupt all the time - too much flair for my taste.
        I think Steve makes a valid point with his business analogy also. if I didn't outsource much of mine, I'd never manage

        Kim
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    • Profile picture of the author marcanthony
      Personally,

      I like XP and Vista equally... my issue is more with the PC not the operating system

      I run Parallels which allows me to use XP in my Mac... I have yet to run into a problem. In fact, XP runs much faster and more efficiently in my Mac.

      I'm not a techie guy either however, when I juxtapose both my Mac and PC--the Mac always proves to be more reliable for my short and long term needs regardless of which OS I use.


      My hypothesis: The quality of the operating system is all relative to what suits you individually. Whether its XP, Vista, or OSX(Mac) we all pretty much grow attached to what we prefer.

      I like the similarities and the subtle differences with every operating system that I've used...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Fenty
      Originally Posted by tj View Post

      Steven, it can be summed up in one sentence: Never change a running system.

      Timo

      No because there are advances in the field that you have to switch to if you want to keep up.
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      • Profile picture of the author skydivedad
        It is critical to understand the difference in the backbone of the Vista Build versus the XP OS build. XP was built off the strong backbone of Windows NT which was extremely stable enterprise platform where as the Vista build was built off the backbone of one of the worse OS platforms in history (Windows ME)! The problems with Vista were legacy issue's that were never solved in the original ME source code. I am currently beta testing Windows 7 and it's a fantastic OS in the bloodline of NT and XP. It's a necessity for Windows to have a powerful OS given the change of architecture with the iCore 7 Processors and the long over due elimination of front side bus in the processing architecture. You guys are going to love Windows 7 if you plan on running 1Core 7 Processor's.
        Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author indexphp
    I've been using Mac exclusively since 2002 and HAVE NOT HAD A SINGLE PROBLEM with computers in the time.

    Good luck with your PC's.
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  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
    Why would microsoft dump Vista? Because vista is bloatware. In fact, vista is a fine example of over developed bloatware.

    Lets apply microsofts approach to operating systems to cars. Lets say that microsoft released the model A in 1995 (windows 95) - we would now be driving an 18 wheeler around town. The prime time for microsofts operating systems was around windows 2000 and windows XP. After that, the operating systems have become so bloated, that people can not justify running them.

    I see no reason to trade in my mid sized toyota truck for an 18 wheeler. With that same comparison, I see no reason to trade in XP for vista that uses 3X the system resources.

    Why would I trade in my truck for something that gets worse gas millage?

    Why would I trade in my OS for something that runs slower?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Steven, I used to sell the affectionately nicknamed 'Trash-80', complete with tape recorder for data storage and the modem with the velcro straps to hold the handset in the acoustic cups.

      Sure, some business models are going to fail. You'll try to tap into a market that just doesn't exist, or you'll have a product that's crap, or something else. But when a business that is profitable suddenly runs into problems, short of the market itself changing, usually I feel it's because the person running the business isn't running it efficiently.
      Even these circumstances don't mean the model itself is flawed. Some iterations within a given model may fail, but it does not mean the model failed.

      Consider the Edsel. Some say it was a great car, but it was a commercial flop. But the model of building big, comfortable cars with powerful engines still works - ask the owner of any Hummer.

      How about the Apple Newton? IBM Peanut? Both gone with barely a notice. But the model of making PCs smaller, sleeker and cheaper is still going strong...

      Back in the day, we really had only two reasons for proven technology to fail - component failure (what you described above), and operator error (which is what you stated).
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  • Profile picture of the author ahuddy
    I know I am going against the grain but I dont understand why everyone hates vista so much. I use an xp desktop and a vista laptop simaltaneouosly. The xp machine is 4x faster than the laptop and software crashes on the xp machine routinely. Vista is so much more stable than xp.

    7 is in beta right now and you can get it from M$ site for free. It is standard for software to be upgraded all of the time. In the past OS releases were about ever 2-3 yrs from M$. When XP came out it was so popular that there was about a 5 yr time span between xp and vista. So now everyone has gotten used to XP and people don't like change.

    You can't advance in technology without trying new ways.
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  • Profile picture of the author bert81
    Hopefully they test the new Windows more and work out all those bugs for the new one coming out.
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  • Profile picture of the author polypro
    Good point but the fact is that Microsoft should not have released Vista in the first place when they knew there were so many problems with it

    Microsoft spent far too long developing it -more than any other operating system. The development was poor in comparison to any other operating system in history

    I think with Windows 7 - we will all forget about Vista. I have been using it for a week and its great. I cannot seem to crash it - which is record in itself
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Steven,

    Sorta off-topic but Windows 3.x wasnt on OS. It was a utility. Same for Windows 95/98. Both used DOS to do the work. Its like putting a Escort engine in a Porche. Looks pretty, has some neat features but it's still powered by an escort engine.

    I think Windows 7 is really Vista w/ some fixes and a new name.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kangaroo Jack
    While Steve makes some valid points, look or view MS for what it is, a business. Software engineering is part of the development cycle of the product and that product has a limited life span or shelf life if you like. They have the cost of development, advertising etc. associated with that product. They need to recoup their costs and more to make it viable.

    Some one can correct me if I'm wrong but Vista was a move from the 32bit OS to a 64bit OS. So there are bound to be some bugs.

    Look at it and compare it to your business. You create/develop a product, you add more features and upgrades, But, there will come a time when your sales reaches a peak, then the decline starts. Of course in the mean time you have been listening to your customers and have been developing a new product that you will offer existing customers at discounted price
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  • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
    I used to have a TRS 80...my first foray into computers. That thing was a beast!
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  • Profile picture of the author PowerWealth247
    I've used various OSes over the years (BASIC to DOA to Win) and currently have XP on one laptop and Windows 7 on the other with Vista on my two desktops. I like them all and XP is probably the smallest but I expect MS to end support for XP soon after 7 is released. Vista allows for 64bit operations plus, and this was the big problem with Vista, it tried to contain the drivers you'd need for when you installed ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. This was due to MS being told by users that they didn't want to have to install a disc everytime they got a new video card or printer or camera or... Their custmers wanted a true Plug and Play OS.
    Once 7 is out of beta I expect it will not have all thse drivers onboard but merely available via upgrade downloads now that broadband is nearly the norm. And since customers ofMS are fairly lazy about their Operating systems, they don't want to learn them, just use them. Otherwise no one would ever complain about Vista's intrusions, they'd just use the personalization tools that it has and make it stop. No problem. OK, enough of my rant. Suffice it tosay I tossed my MacPowerbook years ago and have been quite happy with PCs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    You know the old saying "there's no such thing as bad publicity" could apply if it were not Microsoft.

    I mean, Bill Gates and his companies would not be involved in any of this would they?

    Mac's been having an incredible year with their advertising and then comes Vista. Did the new Windows 7 come out because of all the Vista problems?

    If so, that was pretty quick. It was almost like they expected Vista to fail.

    Matt
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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    My computers never crash... Until I want them to...

    Why? Because I hardly use any software by anyone... Especially by marketers. I am wary of what I install and take a deep amount of care to ensure whatever I do has proper certificates.

    TIP: Do not install anything fancy... Most of the softwares marketers bring out are created by freelancers and are not really tested. If you have to use them, use a separate computer for that!

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