IM and ethics/morals/honesty + greed philosophy discussion

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I will be up front. I have met a few people in the industry that I know are upfront honest people. I have read their sales copy and know most of it to be fairly true or approached from an honesty standpoint.

However, I think for most people they see internet marketing, infomercials, long winded sales copy, etc.. as a giant scam...and for good reason.

I read these forums though and sometimes I just honestly wonder how many people are legit and how many peolple will do anything to make a buck on the web, even if means lying, cheating, stealing, selling bad products just to sell them.

This is just a general question, but when it comes to internet marketing, do you ever find yourself at a crossroads of whether to cross a certain line or not? Example...promoting or selling a product that you either haven't used or know is crap...but do it anyways so you can get paid? Stealing someones hard work and passing it off as your own. Well, nobody in their right mind will admit this fact on the forum...but just throwing the question out there.

I guess the greed aspect plays a huge factor. I see some of the big names making $50,000 a day, etc... and is there a point where you say "Wow, I am doing well...time to go on auto pilot and let the cash roll in" or does the hunger for more and more and more money keep piling on and keep you motivated to just keep working. I guess this would be the "means to an end" argument.

Maybe I have the mentality MOST people do. If I get to where I pull in an extra $3000 a month...that would DRAMATICALLY change circumstances for me. I could save more, I could pay off debt, I could enjoy a couple more dinners with my wife, just simple things versus getting the next big toy, new cars, etc... That is how I think now...and were you the same way..but now that you make the $3000...now you want 4,000...and after that 10,000, and after that 20,000...is there a personal stopping point where you are content?

anyways...thoughts. I apologize this may come off more as rambling then anything but it was on my mind.

thx
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    Originally Posted by absbica View Post

    Maybe I have the mentality MOST people do. If I get to where I pull in an extra $3000 a month...that would DRAMATICALLY change circumstances for me. I could save more, I could pay off debt, I could enjoy a couple more dinners with my wife, just simple things versus getting the next big toy, new cars, etc... That is how I think now...and were you the same way..but now that you make the $3000...now you want 4,000...and after that 10,000, and after that 20,000...is there a personal stopping point where you are content?
    For me, the answer is NO.

    I started with the goal of making a couple hundred bucks a month to simply have some extra play money. Then I hit a couple thousand a month which motivated me to make more. Now, I'm at a larger figure and the motivation is still there to make more.

    I don't think it is so much the money anymore - although that is important, but more the fact that I'm good at it and enjoy doing things where I can excel. The bonus to that is, I get to make money doing it and in turn get to get paid to do something that I definitely enjoy doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author absbica
    Thanks guys. A follow up question would be those with families.

    For you to make the monthly figure you do...does family time ever come at a sacrifice? For me it does, but its a mutually accepted mentality with where we are in our lives. I work full time till 6pm...come home spend a couple hours with them..then from 10pm to 3am I am working side work.

    Exhausting?yes. Worth it? I hope to find out.

    I am a VERY driven person and tend to seek perfection in what I work on...but realize perfection is unattainable but doing freelance and hopping into IM is to get out of debt, keep that roof over our head, food on the table, etc... versus "just doing what I love". I love web design, and I love web development...but I'll be damned if I love it so much I get 4 hours of sleep a night
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  • Profile picture of the author coreytucker
    Hey,

    I have been faced with this issue so many times. I even stopped promoting the weight loss ebook I was because of this. I literally let my list in the niche die, months worth of work down the drain.

    I was making some good money in the weight loss niche and was really about to explode my profits with my list. But I started getting emails from my list saying things like "is the diet plan you recommended for me ok since I have diabetes?"

    I really did not honestly know and tried to give this man a good answer. But it really made me think "dude, you could really give harmful information to this guy." It made me realize yea I could make alot of money off my list and I could help some people but is it really worth it? If I put myself in that mans shoes that was asking me the question its easier to see why I should not be building a list in the weight loss niche for extra money. Nothing is more important than your health, its that simple.

    So to make a long story short I just let my list die and have stopped promoting my weight loss site all together. Im glad I made the choice to be honest, it was not worth the money.

    I have learned from this experience to only promote products you think are quality. Once you find a good product in a big niche like weight loss or dating then you should just stick with this product. Don't just make one site for this product, instead make 10 of them! Thats what im doing right now and things are looking up, I have created a few sites that promote one quality product in the niche and my income is climbing.

    So find a product that you think it good enough to recommend and build sites around it. Perhaps build content sites with 25 pages where each page targets a targeted keyword phrase. Build backlinks for it and rinse and repeat. So far its looking good for me while im doing this and each site is starting to bring sales.

    Of course when you build a list you will need to either find more quality products to promote to this niche, build a membership site or create your own product. But im just starting to realize that you can use one product to make alot of money, just keep building sites around this product. Of course the product needs to have a good sales page etc. I think this also works best in bigger niches. Anyways hope this has helped you, I got to get back to work so good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mason
    You have some good points, and I've wondered about this before too. There are lots of people out there that will do just about anything to make some quick money. That may include selling junk products, hacking other people's websites, or somehow stealing other people's sales. It shocks me to see how cruel and greedy some people are.

    At the same time though, there are plenty of good people out there. I like to consider myself one. I may not be the best marketer in the world because of it, but I like to actually help people. If somebody asks me a question, I try to help them, even if that means they don't buy anything from me. I have started friendships online just by helping people that asked a simple question.

    Whenever I promote a product as an affiliate, I try to research it as much as possible and make sure that it will actually help people. I am currently writing an ebook and am putting a lot of time into it to help people get started. I am going to price it fairly low so that I can help as many people as possible. It is much longer than most ebooks and could therefore be priced fairly high, but I want to help out the new marketers.

    Also, I am not sure there is a specific point where people become "content." I am still not to the $3,000/month point like you said, but I think I am in the same boat as you. I am not interested at this point in buying a new house or a fancy car....I am just working so I can help out with the family and maybe have a little spare money for fun.

    I was having a conversation with a well known marketer before and said that although it may sound funny, I don't want to be rich. I want to make a comfortable living, but 6 figures a year does not interest me. That person laughed at me and said that my goals may change over time, and $3k/month is just the starting point.

    Long story short, lol....yep, there are honest marketers and good people out there still. Take care!
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  • Profile picture of the author absbica
    ultimately, greed will eat anyone alive. Even if I can make a crap load on the side, I have always vowed to be my humble self...which I truly am a humble person.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Hey dude...

    I really liked your CSS videos you posted in another thread the other day. You're obviously a sharp and talented guy.

    This thread indicates that you clearly have your heart in the right place also.

    Know this:

    Making OBSCENE amounts of money and being an honest, ethical marketer are NOT mutually exclusive!

    There is a deep-rooted sentiment amongst many, most of whom have no personal experience with a high-volume business, that the only way to make that kind of money is to be a scam.

    That attitude even permeates the highest regulatory bodies in the land and religions of all stripes - pious ignorance abounds.

    However, YOU don't have to succumb to that bass-ackwards way of thinking.

    YOU don't have to ever stop being YOU whether you have 2 customers or 200,000 or 2MM.

    YOU don't have to change your worldview about how YOU do business...

    But you will become sorely disappointed with humanity...

    You will develop a cynical crust as the bottom-feeders of the world enter your sphere of influence and try to screw you, again and again. Often for no other reason than BECAUSE you're successful.

    You will be subjected to unfair accusations, have motivations ascribed to you that are untrue, and find your time consumed with problems not of your creation.

    That is the OTHER side of success that few understand... except those selfish greedy *******s making all the money... Hmmm.

    Your business is the sum total of all the small decisions you make day in and day out. If you're an honest, stand-up person, you'll do the right thing.

    And some will still call you a scammer... Such is the poisonous trap of a negative mindset.

    But there's also a very POSITIVE story here too... For every one of the toxic customers you encounter, you'll find 10 positive, happy, well-adjusted people who DO appreciate you... and inspire you with their love of your work...

    Don't you OWE it to those people to reach them and help them? You bet you do and you'll be handsomely rewarded for your effort.

    So, yeah... You'll be happy when an extra $3k comes in... You'll be even happier with an "extra" $30k coming in...

    But it doesn't require you to be a money-grubbing pig to make that happen!

    Just be yourself, stay true to your convictions and give yourself permission to roll around naked in piles of cash. Your wife surely won't object! LOL.

    Hope this made sense,

    Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author absbica
    Nice post Brian. You have a lot of good info there and thanks for the thumbs up on the vids. I will continue making them better.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Absbica,

      do you ever find yourself at a crossroads of whether to cross a certain line or not? Example...promoting or selling a product that you either haven't used or know is crap...but do it anyways so you can get paid? Stealing someones hard work and passing it off as your own.
      As Brian said - you don't need to even go there.

      And by being as successful as you can while sticking to your principles, you help to address this issue -

      There is a deep-rooted sentiment amongst many, most of whom have no personal experience with a high-volume business, that the only way to make that kind of money is to be a scam.

      That attitude even permeates the highest regulatory bodies in the land and religions of all stripes - pious ignorance abounds.
      Most people who want to escape the rat race look upwards and can only see the corporate/authority examples of wealth=no integrity, integrity=no wealth. There are certain circles that have an agenda to promote this illusion - and it's not just certain sections of the wealthy, certain sections of the lowly have the same agenda for different reasons.

      By setting the example it's possible to help more people than you could ever imagine, and in the current scenario (a recession, but online opportunities abound for anyone who has the vision) the rewards are there too, for those who help to clear the fog for others.
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