It's really easy to tell who's just posting to get their sig seen..

14 years ago

Totally agree! Reputation is a big part of this business - but I guess it depends on the product you are promoting in your sig. I never post unless I have something worth saying - what's the point otherwise?

This forum should be about helping people first - and then they'll help you by checking out your products... BUT ONLY if you're helpful first.

A huge part of IM is helping each other out and it's so important to realise this from the beginning... pushing your offer in someones face without offering them value first is not going to get you very far.

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Istvan Horvath 14 years ago

Originally Posted by bubbins1987

This forum should be about helping people first -

If you refer specifically to this "main discussion forum"... I suggest you go here:
The Warrior Forum
and read carefully the sub-title of this forum
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  Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath
  
  If you refer specifically to this "main discussion forum"... I suggest you go here:
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  and read carefully the sub-title of this forum
  
  huh?.... All it says is "where we talk about making money".... doesn't that entail helping/encouraging and learning?
  
  Have I missed something here?
  
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Cool Hand Luke

14 years ago

Considering you joined within the last 11 days, I don't think you're in a position to judge who are true contributors to this board.

While we're on the topic of useless posts, I see a lot of threads by brand new members who start topics with assertions everyone agrees with just to up their post and "thanks" count...this seems like one of those threads.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke

Considering you joined within the last 11 days, I don't think you're in a position to judge who are true contributors to this board.

While we're on the topic of useless posts, I see a lot of threads by brand new members who start topics with assertions everyone agrees with just to up their post and "thanks" count...this seems like one of those threads.

Just because they only joined 11 days a go doesn't mean they don't have a point!!

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carp104

14 years ago

I am more annoyed with some of the people posting claiming they just had their first $XXX day, etc etc, and then there is a plug in the sig to buy their product. I am not saying they are not all legit but common.

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Aussie_Al

14 years ago

Originally Posted by carp104

I am more annoyed with some of the people posting claiming they just had their first day, etc etc, and then there is a plug in the sig to buy their product. I am not saying they are not all legit but common.

No the best ones are the "how do I get traffic to my brand new site?" threads where the original guy asking has a signature like "Increase traffic to your site - just ask me how!'

or something similar

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by carp104

I am more annoyed with some of the people posting claiming they just had their first day, etc etc, and then there is a plug in the sig to buy their product. I am not saying they are not all legit but common.

You say it like this community is just a place where self-proclaimed "professional" IM's attempt to sell each other highly saturated and generic marketing methods boasting far-fetched profits at illogical low prices.

Pffft...

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke

Considering you joined within the last 11 days, I don't think you're in a position to judge who are true contributors to this board.

While we're on the topic of useless posts, I see a lot of threads by brand new members who start topics with assertions everyone agrees with just to up their post and "thanks" count...this seems like one of those threads.

I think he made a better point than many with a lot more time here. I also think the thread is useful, as the habit of making inconsequential posts to threads is quite prevalent by a lot of people and they are doing themselves a great deal more harm than good, probably without knowing that.

When I see people posting junk posts just to get a signature line in and making no real contribution to the thread, I just think ... what an idiot. If they have a bunch of one-liners, I report them and their meaningless posts disappear, and sometimes they do as well.

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke

I see a lot of threads by brand new members who start topics with assertions everyone agrees with just to up their post and "thanks" count

...as recommended by Frank Kern.

"So here's what you want to do to demonstrate higher value. Tell them something they already know, and that they are likely to agree with... but say it as if it's a gospel revelation."

It is one thing to go...

...because as experienced marketers, hell yeah we can see it. But that doesn't make it a Bad Idea or anything. Smart marketing is smart.
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Istvan Horvath

14 years ago

If they don't contribute (especially those one-liners, like "great post"; "thanks, this is cool" etc.) - just report them mercilessly

Click the little red triangle on the left and report it as "sig pimping spam".

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ardley216

I Agree here. Although my sig is for promoting, I do not fill the forum with spam. Hey, I've been here a week or so, and I have more thanks than people who have been here for years!

And you haven't found even one single post that was worthy of your 'thanks'? (Thanks = Zero)

That speaks even larger volumes if you get my drift...

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moonzombie

14 years ago

Luke,
Anyone with common sense can detect the posts that I'm talking about here, regardless of when they joined the site.

If you think this topic is useless, I apologize for wasting your time. I'm hoping that, if fellow Warriors agree with the sentiment, people may read it and realize there's no need for them to post spammy comments just to get their signatures seen. Surely more good can come from this than bad?

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Mary Wilhite

14 years ago

Like what Istvan said, we have tools to keep sig pimps at bay.

As for "this business is about reputations as well", definitely agree.
Most people will buy from somebody because they perceive
that it will help them. To get that idea, they must read something
juicy or at least heard some recommendations.

However, there are sellers who tries to go the easy route and
so we have people who are sig pimps

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Benjamin Ehinger

14 years ago

I can agree with you here, but it is not always about the length of the post. Some of the questions that come across this forum have been answered over and over again and some of them only require a sentence to answer.

I am a big believer in simplicity and many of the new people to this forum don't need a long and drawn out answer. They need something simple that answers their question.

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alexmobile

14 years ago

It is funny there are certain people I see in EVERY thread

Even in this one

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Benjamin Ehinger 14 years ago

Originally Posted by alexmobile

It is funny there are certain people I see in EVERY thread Even in this one

Of course you do. Some people do use this forum to market through their signature and it is even a strategy discussed in the forum. If you took 15 minutes a day and posted you could have your signature out there quite a bit as well. Some of us get a bit addicted or distracted by the forum, like me today, and post to nearly every thread we contribute to.

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E. Brian Rose 14 years ago

Originally Posted by alexmobile

It is funny there are certain people I see in EVERY thread Even in this one

It's a conspiracy. They aren't real people, just bots trying to get you to look at their sig files.

Some people have a lot more time than others. I call out people that start threads by asking a philosophical question and then on to the next. I call out people with one line answers just to get their post count up or show their links. The point is that some people contribute a great deal and shouldn't be chastised for posting too often. Others not so much. Learn to see the difference and make fools out of the ones that deserve it.

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alexmobile

14 years ago

@Benjamin - I dont mind people doing that, I have my sig too. I just find it entertaining at times.

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Robert Michael

14 years ago

I admit that sometimes I do it (NOT posting to get my signature shown, posting without fully "reading" the thread) - But in my defense its not because I 'didn't read' the thread, I simply read it wrong.

You cant tell how something is "supposed" to be said when talking in text. So things can easily be misunderstood. Especially when you throw in the language barrier.

But when I notice that I may have misread something I always go back and fix it or try to explain.

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14 years ago

Re: It's really easy to tell who's just posting to get their sig seen..

Originally Posted by moonzombie

It's blatantly obvious when someone ONLY reads the title of the post, and then comments on the title alone, completely ignoring the text within.

I really can't agree with that. I don't even smoke and if I did how could you "See" my sig anyway? Have you hacked my webcam? Speaking of which Discussions about tobacco and hacking are medical topics and should be in the OT forum.

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sal64

14 years ago

on a different matter...

Who really cares?

Seriously, people will make up their own minds about a poster.

If you see a blatant abuse of the forum, report it. If not, just ignore it.

It's a fact of life that there will always be people with a scarcity mindset who will seek to rort the system.

I have a ton of time in the morning, so I am happy to chew the cyber-fat. No one else's business as to how often I post.

We all play by different rules.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

To the OP:

Your point is valid. Your assumption that you can tell when somebody is posting
just to see their sig seen because it appears they only read the title is not.

Some people read whole posts and even whole threads and don't grok what
is being said. They are simply too dense to comprehend.

That doesn't mean they didn't read and it certainly doesn't mean they're
posting just to get their sigs seen.

I myself, at times, have totally misinterpreted a post simply because of one
sentence that I missed when reading the OP. With long posts, this is very
easy to do.

Yes, there are people here who post just to get a sig seen.

But to believe that you can tell who these people are just by the content
of their post 100% of time (sometimes or even many times, yes) is an
invalid conclusion.

What you need to do is look for a pattern of behavior. If you constantly see
people posting one line comments that add little or no value to the thread
then it's a good bet (still not certain) that they're posting to see their sig
seen.

And for the record, I, with my PDF length replies, have been accused of
posting just to get my sig seen.

Why?

Well, take a look at how many posts I have since being here.

Who in their right mind would make that many posts unless they either had
an agenda or were stark raving mad and had nothing better to do with their
life than BS on forums?

Think about it. Maybe those who have accused me are correct.

Point is, you really don't know a person's motivations behind posting on a
forum.

Nobody does.

That's why you have to take everything that goes down here with a grain
of salt. Some people who appear to be as useless as burnt toast may
actually be very successful marketers while others who appear to be
helpful and knowledgeable may be nothing more than opportunistic leeches.

You really don't know what's in a person's mind.

Think about that the next time you think it's easy to tell who's doing what
and for what reason.

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Melanie Crouse

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Who in their right mind would make that many posts unless they either had
an agenda or were stark raving mad and had nothing better to do with their
life than BS on forums?

Think about it. Maybe those who have accused me are correct.

Nah we all know you're stark raving mad, Steven!

Just kidding!

Back to the OP though... I agree with the others who've said report 'em or ignore 'em. I skim through here and read quite a lot, even though I don't post much. I see a lot of one-liners and useless posts but I barely even notice them any more, as I bet many others here do either.

I do agree with the OP that the useless post people are really wasting their time as I really doubt they get any clickthrough on their sigs if they are not contributing anything intelligent or useful.

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fluffythewondercat 14 years ago

I "grew up" reading USENET. (Raise your hand if you know what that is. Now put your hand down, you look weird.)

USENET heavily discourages meta-discussion, which is conversation about whether or not posts are appropriate or about other mechanics of discussion.

I have to say WF not only doesn't discourage meta-discussion, it takes it to a whole new level of insanity. :p

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pacelattin

14 years ago

Sorry, not sure what you are talking about - didn't have time to read the post, just commenting on the topic.

Look at my sig!

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Robert Michael

14 years ago

@Steven that was an awesome post. I wish we had more members like you on our gaming site's forums. Instead its all kids and immature teens.. but again, it IS a gaming site.

That is why I prefer these forums as opposed to forums over-run with teens. I like games and all, but its not what I want to do. I just take care of the online aspect of the marketing and I happen to be an admin to help out a friend. But I see it all over there.

But anyway I completely agree with your post. & the last line was a great final touch haha

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Brad789

14 years ago

Moon - Brad here. I agree with you. I think I see a change in the "field" in general. There are some new programs and posts cropping up on the internet about SEO in compliance with GOOGLE's rules.

I am a strong advocate of working within the system. Every one of those "tricks" eventually gets a slap - and down the mountain they go. I don't want to be in that crowd.

I think, based on what I am seeing that the internet is again maturing. We will shortly see more and more arguments for quality articles and the search engines will give the best a special boost.

I just wrote a post last night suggesting that it won't be that long before the SEO will "read" on-line materials much like a human can. Standard rules and standards will quickly sort the best from the good and the worst.

If people continue to do their posting in a lazy fashion - consider the rest of their effort. The key in my opinion is quality content - in everything.

It is the quality that any search will be looking for and will reward with a high rating.

Bottom line - I agree - and raise your comment to all statements and work on the internet. Reputation is also important and has to be nurtured.

Does anyone else have an opinion on the direction of comments and posts on the internet as a whole.

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daroeder 14 years ago

I agree. Good reliable content is going to be the ruler of the Internet. Individuals can tell when the content of the article is a series of random keywords or if the article actually does give forth some valid information. And, search engines have the same capability.

As far as posting to forms I think everyone knows that the, behind the scene, purpose is to either promote the persons ego or to promote their business but they have to realize the the content has to be valid and meaningful. If it isn't people will wake up and ignore those posts.

So, I believe you can tell when it's a valid informational post or just some gibberish to include the Sig. file.
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Benjamin Ehinger

14 years ago

Maybe the OP was just trying to get people to look at their sig with a very popular thread, oh wait, there is no signature for the OP....guess I will just get mine on here again....lol.

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laurencewins

14 years ago

I moderate in another forum and a big part of my role is to kill the spammers. There are lots of people who simply write meaningless posts to get their signature seen. I totally agree. However, I also believe that the more experienced members here can tell the spammers form the genuine people and will act accordingly.

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Arthur Barn

14 years ago

Hey guys! Moonzombie is right! If your think you're not one of them take Moonzombie's post as an opinion. Let's face it, most of us here are promoting our sites, products or whatever. But one thing is for SURE is.. our sig is not spammers.

@ Moonzomdie: A lot of threads here at Warrior are very useful and helpful. So i don't think they just read the title and not reading the thread of the post then put comment just to show their signature to get click/s.

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14 years ago

Yes, It is really easy to tell who's just posting to get their sig seen isnt it lol

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dagaul101

14 years ago

Well said salient points, too many folks are abusing forums with one word comment as an excuse to have their sig, some of the forums do have strict rules to prevent these, including removing posts

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dee4d

14 years ago

This is so important, and we seem to forget very fast. There has been posts about how to get backlinks, and definitely warrior is not a direct way to do it. If we come here @ WF without knowing how this forum will benefit us, then how will we have the patience to look for articles elsewhere, read carefully and leave good comments that will be beneficial in IM?

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

People that post for the sole purpose of having their sigs seen MAY do what the OP is talking about, but it isn't the only trick in their bag.

To be honest, I think people reading a thread title and commenting on it says more about the people writing thread titles than anything else. There are a lot of people who will use purposefully deceptive or misleading thread titles so THEY can get THEIR sig seen.

People will then comment on it, based on what they believe the thread is about. BUT if the author of the thread is being misleading to drum up controversy or get their sig seen, then who's really to blame? (There seems to have been a few threads on 'blame' lately, too)

Now, here's the thing...

IF any thread or post leads to a good discussion, then who cares if it was started for the purpose of sig exposure? Really. On the other hand, if it's something inconsequential and doesn't go anywhere, and doesn't contribute any value...then guess what happens?

The sig doesn't get exposure and it doesn't get clicked.

In effect, it's self-correcting, and not as big of a problem as you think.

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