Submitting Blog Posts As Articles?

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Excuse me if this has been answered before, but I read an article recently that said you could "get the most bang for the buck" out of original content by first posting it to your blog or website, wait for Google and Bing to Index that page, and then submit the same content as an article to Ezine or such.

Is this considered a good way to gain credible backlinks, or a waste of time for simply creating duplicate content?

Thanks - stuck on Google Pg 1 between 5-7, and cannot seem to move up, so I am trying new strategies.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
    It's not a duplicate content issue, but you could still have an issue.

    Articles are meant to give readers answers and solutions that are backed up with solid research. Blogs are meant to inform, too, but they generally do it in a different way. They typical blog posting is much more casual and informal than an article. Blog postings are also usually shorter than articles (which is an important thing to remember when you realize that the good article directories have minimum word limits).

    That's not to say that you can never submit one of your blog postings to an article directory. However, you'd have to look at each blog posting on its own merit and see if it meets the same standards that an article does.

    You could always take the same topics from your blog, do a little bit more research, re-work them a bit, and turn them into full-blown articles. That way, you're not completely starting from scratch.
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    • Profile picture of the author creature
      Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett View Post

      It's not a duplicate content issue, but you could still have an issue.

      Articles are meant to give readers answers and solutions that are backed up with solid research. Blogs are meant to inform, too, but they generally do it in a different way. They typical blog posting is much more casual and informal than an article. Blog postings are also usually shorter than articles (which is an important thing to remember when you realize that the good article directories have minimum word limits).

      I see what you are driving at - I think I am writing more than the usual blogs - it's academic trainng I guess, but I have a tough time being informal in my writing after 40 years as a scienist.

      If you could take a quick look at my my latest blog post, I'd appreciate your feedback as to whether this is really a blog or an article - from what you say, it sounds more like an article and less like a blog post.

      It is at low (dash) glycemic (dash) foods dot org / blog

      (Can't post liinks yet)


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      • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
        Originally Posted by creature View Post

        I see what you are driving at - I think I am writing more than the usual blogs - it's academic trainng I guess, but I have a tough time being informal in my writing after 40 years as a scienist.
        Lots of people have trouble being informal and conversational. You're stuff is good, though, so you're way ahead of the people who have trouble being informal and interesting

        Originally Posted by creature View Post

        If you could take a quick look at my my latest blog post, I'd appreciate your feedback as to whether this is really a blog or an article - from what you say, it sounds more like an article and less like a blog post.

        It is at low (dash) glycemic (dash) foods dot org / blog

        (Can't post liinks yet)


        Just took a look at it... It's certainly informative and interesting. However, there are 2 things that, in my mind, keep it from being a good article:

        - It's only 337 words. EzineArticles (the biggest article directory) has a minimum word limit of 400 words, so right off the bat, you wouldn't be able to submit it there. There are other article directories that don't have that minimum word count, so you could still submit it to them.

        - However, the bigger problem is that it's not "evergreen". Good articles (the ones that get syndicated and bring you steady traffic) are relevant today, tomorrow, a month from now, and a year from now. Unfortunately, you use words like "new research findings" and "newly published". Again, it's an interesting development that definitely merits a spot in your blog, but probably not so much in an article directory. In a month, the content isn't so "new" anymore. If someone were to stumble on it 6 months from now, they would get to the 2nd paragraph and realize that it's "old" information - and, unfortunately, probably stop reading.

        Hope that helps
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        • Profile picture of the author creature
          Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett View Post

          there are 2 things that, in my mind, keep it from being a good article:

          - It's only 337 words. EzineArticles (the biggest article directory) has a minimum word limit of 400 words


          Easily fixed

          - However, the bigger problem is that it's not "evergreen". Good articles (the ones that get syndicated and bring you steady traffic) are relevant today, tomorrow, a month from now, and a year from now. Unfortunately, you use words like "new research findings" and "newly published". Again, it's an interesting development that definitely merits a spot in your blog, but probably not so much in an article directory. In a month, the content isn't so "new" anymore. If someone were to stumble on it 6 months from now, they would get to the 2nd paragraph and realize that it's "old" information - and, unfortunately, probably stop reading.

          Hope that helps
          The "evergreen" part REALLY helps. I am treating it as place to convert inherently technical articles into a more journalistic style - but it never occurred to me (slap) that nobody wants yesterday's news. Great suggestion.
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      • Profile picture of the author James Vang
        Originally Posted by creature View Post

        I see what you are driving at - I think I am writing more than the usual blogs - it's academic trainng I guess, but I have a tough time being informal in my writing after 40 years as a scienist.
        Your blog posts do actually read more like articles I guess that's a good thing if you do want to reuse them on directories. Considering the nature of your blog I wouldn't necessarily say that's a bad thing since it helps to make you sound like you know what you're talking about.

        If you do want to sound more informal, try writing as if you're talking to a friend who's sitting across from you. If you've got the money you can invest in a dictation device, that may help.

        As Nicole said the length is a problem but there is an easy work around for that: combining blog posts. The three blog posts on your main page seem to be of a similar topic, why not merge two of them? This technique can be used for all your blog posts as long as the topics are similar enough, just make sure the flow of the newly created article is acceptable.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by creature View Post

        I see what you are driving at - I think I am writing more than the usual blogs - it's academic trainng I guess, but I have a tough time being informal in my writing after 40 years as a scienist.

        If you could take a quick look at my my latest blog post, I'd appreciate your feedback as to whether this is really a blog or an article - from what you say, it sounds more like an article and less like a blog post.

        It is at low (dash) glycemic (dash) foods dot org / blog

        (Can't post liinks yet)


        I read a couple of your blog posts, and what I read was a cut above what I usually find in the directories.

        As long as you meet the mechanical requirements of a directory (word count, link placement and number, etc.), you should have no problem getting your stuff accepted.

        Given the authoritative nature of your writing, I'd guess that getting syndicated won't be a problem either...
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by creature View Post

    I read an article recently that said you could "get the most bang for the buck" out of original content by first posting it to your blog or website, wait for Google and Bing to Index that page, and then submit the same content as an article to Ezine or such.
    That's the "standard, correct order" in which to do it, certainly. (If, as Nicole says above, the material is suitable for "articles" in that sense).

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

    Originally Posted by creature View Post

    Is this considered a good way to gain credible backlinks, or a waste of time for simply creating duplicate content?
    It doesn't creat duplicate content at all. That isn't what "duplicate content" means. It creates "syndicated content. As explained here.

    But it also isn't a way to gain good backlinks in the sense of article directory backlinks themselves (those are awful backlinks). It's good if people re-publish your articles from article directories to better sites, relevant to your niche: those backlinks are good. And that's what article directories are there for - they're not there for their own backlinks: you'd need a huge number of those (typically 100,000+) to get far, because they're only non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks.

    Originally Posted by creature View Post

    Thanks - stuck on Google Pg 1 between 5-7, and cannot seem to move up, so I am trying new strategies.
    It's unlikely that article directory backlinks will help. Getting your articles syndicated from article directories might. Forum commenting in relevant forums might. Blog commenting on relevant blogs might. Ultimately it will all depend on the SEO quality of the sites currently outranking you, and how easy/difficult it is to overtake them.
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    • Profile picture of the author jackpot9
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      But it also isn't a way to gain good backlinks in the sense of article directory backlinks themselves (those are awful backlinks). It's good if people re-publish your articles from article directories to better sites, relevant to your niche: those backlinks are good. And that's what article directories are there for - they're not there for their own backlinks: you'd need a huge number of those (typically 100,000+) to get far, because they're only non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks.
      Hey Alexa,

      Been seeing you quote these numbers since time immemorial. If those numbers are accurate based on your experience then you got to be doing something very wrong. 300 gets me to the top of the world.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Jackson Soo View Post

        Been seeing you quote these numbers since time immemorial.
        When I first started reading SEO textbooks, a couple of years ago, the general consensus of "authority opinions" (which was, as ever, radically different from that among "forum opinions") seemed to be about "50,000+". I remember from my (early) days of doing this, with spinning and mass-submissions, having a lot more than that without it apparently being of any measurable benefit to me. Since then, of course, there's been the Panda update, which has dramatically devalued article directories still further (exactly as their owners have been so publicly commenting).

        Originally Posted by Jackson Soo View Post

        300 gets me to the top of the world.
        Here you illustrate a very good point, I think: it's all in inverse proportion to the competitiveness and "tail-length" of the keywords you select (by definition in direct opposition, unfortunately, to the organic traffic volumes, overall). I remember the last time this point was discussed here, by way of demonstration I top-ranked a keyword in under 24 hours (I suspect actually in under 24 minutes, but it was 24 hours before we checked it) simply by mentioning it in this forum - there were very few other listings for it, of course.

        My own keywords tend to be kind of "moderately competitive ones" ones for which no amount of mass submission to article directories seems, typically, even to make a dent in the "first-page competition", but syndication of the articles to which they're attached to some quality, relevant niche sites can top-rank them quite a bit more easily than one might imagine. If you can identify keywords for which the top-ranked sites have almost entirely article directory backlinks, almost regardless of their number, in my experience those usually make very easy targets for article syndication: one is experiencing the enormous benefits of quality (defined - as per Google - by contextual relevance) over quantity, of course.
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  • Profile picture of the author zaccks
    As far as i know That's not a good idea, Google can still penalize you for duplicate content.

    if you want to still use your blog posts to generate backlinks i advise to rewrite the same article you use on your blog so that it become original and after that you can submit the rewritten original articles to wherever you want to generate the backlinks.

    beside i don't think if ezinearticles will accept your article when it's already being published at other sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by zaccks View Post

      As far as i know That's not a good idea, Google can still penalize you for duplicate content.
      Not so ... you've totally misunderstood what "duplicate content" means.

      Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing

      Originally Posted by zaccks View Post

      if you want to still use your blog posts to generate backlinks i advise to rewrite the same article you use on your blog so that it become original and after that you can submit the rewritten original articles to wherever you want to generate the backlinks.
      This is totally unnecessary, and entirely contrary to the advice of almost all the successful, professional article marketers here.

      Originally Posted by zaccks View Post

      beside i don't think if ezinearticles will accept your article when it's already being published at other sites.
      This is completely wrong.

      Please excuse the observation that if you think that, you really do have a lot to learn about the basics of article marketing, and even about what an article directory is, and how they work.

      Article directories do not require previously unpublished content.

      I now have over 1,500 articles in EZA. All of them had originally been published (in identical form) on one of my own sites first. Many of them had been also been published in several other places. The same is true for many other article marketers here.

      In this thread, countless full-time, professional, successful article marketers explain in detail all their shared reasons for not submitting their articles to EZA (or to any other directory) until after they've been published and indexed on their own sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    My best advice is to listen to Nicole and Alexa. They always offer tons of accurate information.

    I did want to tell you I enjoyed looking at your site. As a diabetic I'm always interested in this topic.

    I wonder if you could guest post on other health blogs or even senior blogs?

    Rose
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    • Profile picture of the author creature
      Originally Posted by Rose Anderson View Post


      I wonder if you could guest post on other health blogs or even senior blogs?

      Rose
      Never occurred to me, but I guess I could. Have to figure out how to find the 'right" blogs, and approach the owners. Not much of a "cold caller"
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  • Profile picture of the author creature
    Thanks to all who replied here with some really helpful info. This is the best forum I've ever joined - period.
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  • Profile picture of the author WakondaMarketing
    O don't really know how other site owners go with this strategy. In my case, I submit my write-ups on article directories first such as EZA (I'f rather choose GoArticles though) and then post it in my blog. The technique is try to get your EZA account into platinum status for quicker article confirmation.
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  • Profile picture of the author verilix
    You could also spin it really well. Spinning works great the longer the article.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Regardless of what strategies you apply, what you really need in order to move up the serps is contextually relevant backlinks.

    My $0.02

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