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What is up with all the watch me threads?

by Tom B Banned
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Now Pearson's was great but I noticed more and more of these threads popping up. I am just wondering why that is?

Is there a reason why you can put it on a blog here instead of bumping the threads up each and every day?

We are missing some great information. For example Kurt posted some great info on how you can automate content and there is hardly any replies to that while I am seeing "Watch me make so and so in 1 hour" threads.


I do notice wso's are spurting up from the same people that want to be watched.
#threads #watch
  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    Yeah, I've noticed the same thing. Probably would be better in a blog.

    One thing you can walk away with though, since you noticed it, is what people seem to pay attention to, and want right now. They want to watch other people.

    Maybe it's because of all the reality shows on TV these past few years where everybody gets to watch over everyone else's shoulder. Who knows.

    Might be something to pay attention to. Which of course, you have been doing Thomas. Nice Job.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      One thing you can take away from it is an understanding about what people currently seem to pay attention to, and want.

      Maybe it comes from reality shows where we are watching over the shoulders of others. Who knows. But it is something to pay attention to. Which of course, you have been doing. Nice job Thomas.
      I can't keep up John. I need Allen to install some type of vcr recorder so I can sit back and watch my reruns. The watch me threads do all start sounding the same.

      I am glad you appreciate my work John.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      Yeah, I've noticed the same thing. Probably would be better in a blog.

      One thing you can walk away with though, since you noticed it, is what people seem to pay attention to, and want right now. They want to watch other people.

      Maybe it's because of all the reality shows on TV these past few years where everybody gets to watch over everyone else's shoulder. Who knows.

      Might be something to pay attention to. Which of course, you have been doing Thomas. Nice Job.
      I don't even open them anymore and I'm starting to get annoyed in general. People must find it easier to watch someone than do the work themselves.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
        Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

        People must find it easier to watch someone than do the work themselves.
        Duh.



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        • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
          Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

          Duh.



          Note: Ten smileys added because message was too short.

          lol and I thought I was special
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          • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
            Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

            lol and I thought I was special
            LOL, Nathan. I thought for sure I had 11 there.
            One was supposed to be for you.
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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi John,
            That blows. I figured there was some sort of IP detection in vbulletin that made short work of that kind of bolog NA.
            I don't know, because I'm not on the inside. But I would guess that they know an easy way around that one.

            It's interesting following some of the 'thanks' comments. It looks almost like there's a little UK network, and I keep seeing connections with a certain 'alleged' brat with an attitude problem. Whether the brat is actually real, who knows?

            When you look into it a little, it certainly becomes clear how easy it would be to manipulate a lot of things with a network for adding thanks, bumping threads, adding fake 'I just bought' comments on WSOs.

            And if you call someone out in a thread, it's interesting how people seem to forget what other peoples' names are - perhaps they're juggling too many?

            And then you've got tag teams with one person running a WSO, and the other half is posting related threads in main discussion - and the other half just happens to admit to having two ID's - because they 'forgot' their password, but 'found it' again - so now both ID's are active.

            The real negative is that it can be discouraging for people who enjoy helping out and sharing knowledge just for the sake of helping.
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            • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
              Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

              Hi John,
              I don't know, because I'm not on the inside. But I would guess that they know an easy way around that one.

              It's interesting following some of the 'thanks' comments. It looks almost like there's a little UK network, and I keep seeing connections with a certain 'alleged' brat with an attitude problem. Whether the brat is actually real, who knows?

              When you look into it a little, it certainly becomes clear how easy it would be to manipulate a lot of things with a network for adding thanks, bumping threads, adding fake 'I just bought' comments on WSOs.

              And if you call someone out in a thread, it's interesting how people seem to forget what other peoples' names are - perhaps they're juggling too many?

              And then you've got tag teams with one person running a WSO, and the other half is posting related threads in main discussion - and the other half just happens to admit to having two ID's - because they 'forgot' their password, but 'found it' again - so now both ID's are active.

              The real negative is that it can be discouraging for people who enjoy helping out and sharing knowledge just for the sake of helping.

              This is what really worries me. I can't tell you how many WSO's I've looked at where about 90% of those comments were by brand new members to the forum. I didn't notice at first, until I bough a WSO that sucked. At that point I realized that many of those "reviews" could be fabricated or made by people within their network.
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              • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                Hi John,

                OK, this appears to be proof that WSOs are being shilled, and the network used to do it has ID's that date back to 2006.

                As you will see, I had some shenanigans on a recent thread here -

                http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post434290

                And this is the one where the 'tag team' is running a WSO, and one of the tag team admits they have two active ID's, and the thread in question is all about using social blogs - same as the WSO.

                If you take a look at the WSO -

                http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...uaranteed.html

                ...and then look at comment number #11 - which is from a 'buyer' who apparently has nothing to do with the above mentioned IDs, do you see the website in the sig file -



                See the theslidesharesecret.info sig? And apparently he's their first affiliate of one of their products, as well as a buyer of the WSO.

                Well domain tools has an interesting twist -

                Theslidesharesecret.info - The Slide Share Secret



                It seems that the domain of the WSO buyer is owned by the creator of the WSO. Interesting.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                  ExRat,

                  Nice damn work!!

                  I knew something wasn't adding up there. Now the proof is right in from of my face.

                  As clever as the scheme seems to be, you would have thought they would have come up with something better than $35 a day in 90 days
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                • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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                  Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                  Hi John,

                  OK, this appears to be proof that WSOs are being shilled, and the network used to do it has ID's that date back to 2006.
                  A little homework on his partner throws up numerous ID's too.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                    Hi Jeremy,

                    The video on the sales page for slidesharesecret . info ....

                    The guy making the video says his name is Garland Robinson
                    Yes, but as they're saying he's an affiliate, they can use that as an excuse - IE - he is using a pre-prepared salespage. It also has Dennis's name at the bottom.

                    But the fact that Dennis owns that domain, cannot be explained - because IF spike11 is that close to them, why's he buying the WSO and praising it?

                    As mentioned, what is most disturbing is the age of the ID's. This means the network of ID's has been created since at least August 2006. How many could you create in that time, that are going to look genuine due to the age and the post-count?

                    I notice some of the other websites in the other sigs of the buyers of the WSO are suddenly going offline.

                    As clever as the scheme seems to be, you would have thought they would have come up with something better than $35 a day in 90 days
                    Fly under the radar, get them on your list and in your membership site, and take it from there.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                      Roger,

                      I see what you are saying and it definitely is a scary thought.

                      It will be interesting to see just how many affiliate ID's are attached to this "group". What's even my scary is the fact that if this guy has done it, there are others that are doing it as well.
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                      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                        Hi Jeremy,

                        What's even my scary is the fact that if this guy has done it, there are others that are doing it as well.
                        I guess that's my point. If I'm going to spend my time here, and find that every time I straighten someone out about misinformation, I don't want to be left with the feeling that the five people I'm arguing with are all the same person, trying to promote a WSO.
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                • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
                  O, what a tangled web we weave...

                  Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                  ...and then look at comment number #11 - which is from a 'buyer' who apparently has nothing to do with the above mentioned IDs, do you see the website in the sig file -



                  See the theslidesharesecret.info sig? And apparently he's their first affiliate of one of their products, as well as a buyer of the WSO.

                  Well domain tools has an interesting twist -
                  Theslidesharesecret.info - The Slide Share Secret



                  It seems that the domain of the WSO buyer is owned by the creator of the WSO. Interesting.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        ID shilling - HERE?

        Gee, could that account for the suggestion in the middle of such a "watch me" thread that "this would make a great wso"?

        To which the OP replies - "you think so? I never thought of that"....

        j/k - but sometimes that exactly how it sounds.

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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Washington
    Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

    Now Pearson's was great but I noticed more and more of these threads popping up. I am just wondering why that is?

    Is there a reason why you can put it on a blog here instead of bumping the threads up each and every day?

    We are missing some great information. For example Kurt posted some great info on how you can automate content and there is hardly any replies to that while I am seeing "Watch me make so and so in 1 hour" threads.


    I do notice wso's are spurting up from the same people that want to be watched.
    I used to watch them...still do, but I always notice an epiphany by the OP half way through the thread that he should start a WSO. Then, low and behold, a WSO emerges - even though no actual proof was given - in most cases. (Just, Hey this is what I did and it worked.) And we are just supposed to believe it.

    Im burned out on them.

    But, warriors like Jeremy Kasall I trust - but those type people do show results and should be rewarded with selling WSO's - But there are only a handful of those warriors
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    • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
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      • Profile picture of the author crystalq
        Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

        I want everyone to watch my new video where I blow
        hot steam out of my bottom. Stay tuned - I'll be the
        next Frank Kern with this new trick.
        LMAO hehehehe

        On a serious note though, I only came to the forum today to check out a watch me thread, they are cool and interesting. I would never visit a forum blog so I think its great they do it in the threads.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      I suspect the main reason for them all is self-promotion for an upcoming WSO about their "watch me" plan. Although the few watch me threads I've seen didn't end up achieving what they setup to do.

      It's hard to figure out the intention so I don't report them as "promotional". So once one stays on the imitators jump on board and now we have many watch-me threads.

      I don't think they belong in the main forum. Maybe mind/success forum instead? I dunno so I don't nuke. They seem to motivate others.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        I think it is obvious why people do them -- because they get a lot of views and attention.

        I don't think I've seen one be turned into a WSO yet, but maybe I have missed one?
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          I think it is obvious why people do them -- because they get a lot of views and attention.

          I don't think I've seen one be turned into a WSO yet, but maybe I have missed one?
          Yep, you missed a few.

          They may have not turned into a wso but they ran a wso soon after their threads started. Good forum marketing or evil spammers.

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          • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
            Stay tuned for my upcoming WSO: "How To Start A 'Watch Me' Thread To Pre-Sell Your WSO".
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          • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
            Thomas,

            It's just a sign of the times. If you're gonna have an IPhone, you might as well have a WatchMe to go with it.

            Think of it as a fashion statement.

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            • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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              Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

              Thomas,

              It's just a sign of the times. If you're gonna have an IPhone, you might as well have a WatchMe to go with it.

              Think of it as a fashion statement.

              KJ
              Well now I feel old KJ. I need one of those WatchMe phones.
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              • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
                Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                Well now I feel old KJ. I need one of those WatchMe phones.
                Wait 'til you get to be my age. The only reason I take Viagra is to keep from accidentally rolling out of bed at night...

                KJ
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                • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                  Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

                  Wait 'til you get to be my age. The only reason I take Viagra is to keep from accidentally rolling out of bed at night...

                  KJ

                  I thought you used it as a door stopper.
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                • Profile picture of the author Evita
                  Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

                  The only reason I take Viagra is to keep from accidentally rolling out of bed at night...

                  KJ
                  ....lol....Viagra as a kickstand...now how to get that FDA approved??....lol...
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

        I suspect the main reason for them all is self-promotion for an upcoming WSO about their "watch me" plan. Although the few watch me threads I've seen didn't end up achieving what they setup to do.

        It's hard to figure out the intention so I don't report them as "promotional". So once one stays on the imitators jump on board and now we have many watch-me threads.

        I don't think they belong in the main forum. Maybe mind/success forum instead? I dunno so I don't nuke. They seem to motivate others.

        I thought those would be better as blog posts on here instead of constant bumping.

        I will start one soon called Watch me avoid showers for two weeks and still stay married.

        Week one, smelling good and the wife is happy.

        Week two, I thought I lost some fish in the bed but found out it was me. Wife not so happy.

        Week four, I am living outside now and the dogs won't go near me.


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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    Yes they are self promoting. Jeremy nearly every one of them ends up as a WSO. Maybe not when they start, but certainly by the end, and the follow up ones as well.

    They are forum spammers really, because too many of them say watch me make, and then follow it with how do you think I should do this.

    I'm going to make $20,000 in the next week creating software, what software do you think I should create Thomas, and how do I start? For anyone not understanding, I know nothing about programming except being married to one
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      Yes they are self promoting. Jeremy nearly every one of them ends up as a WSO. Maybe not when they start, but certainly by the end, and the follow up ones as well.

      They are forum spammers really, because too many of them say watch me make, and then follow it with how do you think I should do this.

      I'm going to make $20,000 in the next week creating software, what software do you think I should create Thomas, and how do I start? For anyone not understanding, I know nothing about programming except being married to one

      Bev, you married software? I didn't think that was legal where you lived.
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      • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Bev, you married software? I didn't think that was legal where you lived.
        I thought she said she was married to a "programming"; I was trying to figure out how one marries a gerund.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          About the only thread in the "watch me make" batch that I've followed was TommyGadgets one where he was flipping the site in 24 hours. I knew that he wasn't just trying to get attention so, it was interesting to follow.

          As for the rest of them, I don't put a lot of weight into someone with 4 posts proposing to tell me how to make 100 a day spread out over the next 90 days lol

          I think if they are making the posts as motivation or because they are really a master of their craft and want to give a little back to the community then great, but after reading this thread earlier, I decided to follow a couple threads. I found that most of them were overly promotional and probably didn't deserve to still be alive.

          What was really odd is one of them is running like 4 WSO'S and another guy with like 40 posts is replying to his threads with the OP'S wso in his sig? Shit is just getting confusing now
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The $$ goal and timelines seem more to make a sensational headline than with any realistic plan and I've yet to see one MEET the goal set. What's funny to me is so often the same people posting "you can do it" (how do they know that?) in the beginning are posting "it's ok you didn't reach the goal" at the end. Goal and pipe dream are not the same thing - but we may be alone in not liking those thread as many seem to find them motivational.

      We had the same "watch me" and "challenge" threads in the old forom - but the minute a WSO was mentioned, those were deleted. They seem to come in waves - when one such thread gets a lot of posts and attention, a dozen more are started.

      I read the threads that outline what a member DID successfully - those are much better.

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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


        I read the threads that outline what a member DID successfully - those are much better.

        kay
        Same here Kay. I was pretty excited reading Kurt's post earlier today and it is hidden away from all the other threads. I am a little worried that people will stop posting great info here if it just gets buried.

        I remember the watch me threads on the older forum but not nearly as many. Maybe I was just blind to them.

        We can report them but I am a little hesitant not wanting to overstep my mod powers and all.

        I figured if they are not wanted then the Godfather (Allen) will say something.
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi John,

        One thing you can walk away with though, since you noticed it, is what people seem to pay attention to, and want right now. They want to watch other people.
        Just bear in mind that there seems to be a fair a fair bit of ID shilling going on, so in fact these threads might not be as popular as they seem. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          Hi John,



          Just bear in mind that there seems to be a fair a fair bit of ID shilling going on, so in fact these threads might not be as popular as they seem. :rolleyes:

          Cool, a little conspiracy. Now it is time for me to release my wso on not showering.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          Just bear in mind that there seems to be a fair a fair bit of ID shilling going on, so in fact these threads might not be as popular as they seem. :rolleyes:
          That blows. I figured there was some sort of IP detection in vbulletin that made short work of that kind of bolog NA.
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        • Profile picture of the author Cynthia A.
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          Hi John,



          Just bear in mind that there seems to be a fair a fair bit of ID shilling going on, so in fact these threads might not be as popular as they seem. :rolleyes:
          What is ID shilling?
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          • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
            Originally Posted by Cynthia A. View Post

            What is ID shilling?
            You know those people in the street with three cups and a coin? Find the coin under the right cup and you win.

            Just to show you how easy it is one 'random' person in the audience tries it and wins a couple of times. Then you have a go and lose and the previous 'winner' has disappeared.

            In online marketing shills tell everybody how they bought the product and that it is better than viagra/Ben & Jerry's ice cream/English breakfast (insert your own comparison here).

            More sophisticated shilling tactics include

            1. Having a customer service 'problem' that is instantly resolved by the seller and makes them look like Kevin Riley on steroids.

            2. Making a groundless accusation against the seller which creates controversy and gains sympathy for them, particularly when s/he wins the argument.

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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
    The best way to handle this type of thread is the second they mention running a wso report the thread. One of the forum rules is you can't advertise upcoming wso's in the main forum so the thread should be reported at that point.

    Just by nuking the threads where wso's are mentioned will clear out most of the problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

    Now Pearson's was great but I noticed more and more of these threads popping up. I am just wondering why that is?

    Is there a reason why you can put it on a blog here instead of bumping the threads up each and every day?

    We are missing some great information. For example Kurt posted some great info on how you can automate content and there is hardly any replies to that while I am seeing "Watch me make so and so in 1 hour" threads.


    I do notice wso's are spurting up from the same people that want to be watched.
    Yep, more self promtional garbage rammed down our throats everyday.
    Followed by a crap WSO
    Must be a new ebook out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      ExRat,

      The video on the sales page for slidesharesecret . info ....

      The guy making the video says his name is Garland Robinson

      So, the same guy is Garland Robinson, NGmedia, MarketerGuy, and I would venture to say a few more that posted in the same thread.

      It's getting interesting now lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McBride
    Thomas,

    See what you started here?

    Now YOU have to watch me watch Roger watch these guys so we can watch out for the newbies who might fall for this crap.

    P.S. - I wonder if Roger is starring in the new Watchmen movie being release soon?
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    • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
      Originally Posted by Mike McBride View Post

      Thomas,

      See what you started here?

      Now YOU have to watch me watch Roger watch these guys so we can watch out for the newbies who might fall for this crap.

      P.S. - I wonder if Roger is starring in the new Watchmen movie being release soon?
      LOL! He not only has to watch you; he has to watch over your shoulder as you do it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        There are three things that I have noticed.

        1. The watch me as I (don't) make $XXX in XXX Days. Attractive because it seems easy and has a short time scale. Nothing about building a business, just making money. Upfront promotional, but, in a way, at least it's honest.

        2. WSOs by people who, in the space of two months, go from complete newbies to earning a decent income. In that two months they also learned HTML, photoshop, advanced listbuilding, helped Jeff Walker write his product launch books, got JV partnerships with unnamed gurus (Non-disclosure agreement!) and posted a well-run, copybook WSO.

        3. In WSOs where people are challenged as to their credentials or possible scamming, the owner of the WSO comes over as all righteous and threatens to report the poster to Allen. These type of people also seem to make 50% of the posts in their own WSO and actually openly ask people to make a comment/post their receipt.

        These are things I have seen. What they mean, I don't know.

        Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author Writing Pete
    I've noticed this as well, but never wanted to bring it up. Thanks for bringing this out into the open.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    Let me throw a spanner in the works here. You will see in one of their WSO I asked a question, which hasn't been replied to.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ge-google.html


    Here are some facts.

    On the old forum Garland ran a wso about Slideshare.

    I bought it, because I wanted to know what they said. Basically it was crap, they say it is the perfect way but it broke most of the rules, and their results were so vague it wasn't worth the effort.

    WSO Archive - Slideshare - TARGETED 100% FREE TRAFFIC | WarriorPlus

    Now the testimonial in Dennis' wso makes it sound like Garland had just discovered slideshare and had followed Dennis' instruction.

    Slideshare is great if used correctly, but from the wso that Garland and others have done, the things they missed out causes people to wonder why it works. There are too many steps that going in all guns blazing you will miss.

    For the past 18 months or more I have been on page 1 for a major make money keyword, and according to Garland and his perfect way of doing it, I did everything wrong, but 18 months on page 1 of google might say something different.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Kaye
    This thread is like an episode of "CSI:Warrior Forum."

    I'm learning a ton about "Forensic Marketing."

    By the way, please check out my new thread "Watch Me While I Watch Him Watch Her Make A Watch and Earn $1000 a Day!"
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    Let me give you some more facts. That slide that Garland is supposed to have done using Dennis' methods was posted on slideshare 11 months ago.

    I just went there and checked to see if it was the one Garland did as a perfect example of how to use the site.

    Here are the stats today.

    It was uploaded 11 months ago
    611 views
    1 comment
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    PR0

    remember this was a WSO so come of the views would have come from there.

    I decided to do a "not perfect" slide according to the WSO. It was uploaded about 5 hours after the WSO was released.

    My stats today

    Uploaded 11 months ago
    3,839 views
    8 comments
    4 favorites
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    Need I say any more
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    So are y'all sayin' you aren't gonna watch me or not?...

    I was sure people would watch me..

    My mother said people would watch me

    Hey!!... why aren't you watchin'?..

    Sheesh.. gonna watch Ballamory with my daughter instead of dancing like a monkey...

    Peace

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    p.s. This thread reminds ME of a Dr. Dre tune from my teens.. "the watcher", I think
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    • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      So are y'all sayin' you aren't gonna watch me or not?...

      I was sure people would watch me..

      My mother said people would watch me

      Hey!!... why aren't you watchin'?..

      Sheesh.. gonna watch Ballamory with my daughter instead of dancing like a monkey...

      Peace

      Jay

      p.s. This thread reminds ME of a Dr. Dre tune from my teens.. "the watcher", I think
      Are you sure you didn't mean to say "Watch with mother!!!!!!"

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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        We had the same "watch me" and "challenge" threads in the old forom - but the minute a WSO was mentioned, those were deleted. They seem to come in waves - when one such thread gets a lot of posts and attention, a dozen more are started.
        And they say the NFL is a copycat league. Ol' Bill "Candid Camera" Belichick has nothing on these guys.

        Of course, now that they've been outed, it's like the old joke about the four most dangerous words in the world - "Hey, y'all, watch this!"
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    • Profile picture of the author bluet
      LMAO Well, it appears I got suckered in on one of the Dennis White WSO's. Not the first time, or probably the last time I've gotten snookered. God help us innocent gullible newbies.

      But then again, a post I made here in this forum got deleted too a few days ago. LOL I was just offering some free music backing tracks and must have gotten branded as a self-promoter.

      I noticed this thread here when I was trying to figure out why I couldn't find some of the threads I had bookmarked and was following. They're all gone today.

      So, since they are gone, and the users too, I expect, how can you warn people who posted there? Maybe they too are victims. Just hope they read this thread? I never received any kind of notice from this site about the deletions or any warnings, probably because I couldn't post there yet due to low post count. LOL Maybe other newbies are in the same boat?

      I joined a membership subscription WSO a few days ago that is history here now. Should I cancel, or try to figure out a way to contact others before I lose access to the site, and before my next installment is due? About 20 members there, discounting the possible clones. LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
        Originally Posted by bluet View Post

        I joined a membership subscription WSO a few days ago that is history here now. Should I cancel, or try to figure out a way to contact others before I lose access to the site, and before my next installment is due? About 20 members there, discounting the possible clones. LOL
        I can see why you'd be nervous. When you signed up, did you get what you were expecting to get...what you were told you'd get upon sign up? If the program has value to you, you may want to stay on. If it doesn't, or if sometime in the future you are not getting what was promised, you may want to cancel it. I don't know anything about it, since I don't know who those people are or what WSOs they were promoting. I suspect they created multiple accounts just to get their WSOs noticed. I don't have a clue if they are actually bad WSOs or not.

        I am glad the Warriors are "on the ball" and notice such shenanigans, though. This is a great community, for many reasons. This is one of them.
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        • Profile picture of the author bluet
          Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

          I can see why you'd be nervous. When you signed up, did you get what you were expecting to get...what you were told you'd get upon sign up? If the program has value to you, you may want to stay on. If it doesn't, or if sometime in the future you are not getting what was promised, you may want to cancel it.
          Well, umm, if it's being run by two people, who, according to this thread are one person, then I don't think I can put much faith in anything they are offering there. Once a liar always a liar, or something like that. lol

          This WSO was a subscription membership posted here by the extinct Danny White (NGmedia) partnered there with the infamous Garland Robinson clone. And they are listed as separate entities there too. So... I am concerned for the others there who signed up from here, that they are aware of the revelation on this thread.

          I certainly can't challenge the two admin guys, Danny and Garland there in a post to warn the other members of a possible fraud. LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author jmidas
      The reason so many popped up is that people are basically completely uncreative. One person does something and it is creative/interesting, so everyone else just copies it instead of thinking for themselves.

      Mini Rant: it is the same as when idiots in the press add the word "-gate" to any controversy. This is WF's "follow-me gate." The first time someone called something ___-gate after the Watergate thing, that was creative, funny, etc.. For the last 35 years, it shows nothing but a complete lack of intelligence and creativity on the part of the powers that be in the press.

      So, my point to marketers and warriors out there: use your brains, be creative. Remember, the person you are copying is likely an idiot too. I know, I know: there is nothing wrong with having a swipe file, etc... You, know, back a winning horse... Yes, there is when you beat the poor horse to death.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pat Ordenes
    ExRant, I think you may be in the wrong line of work!
    Your detective skills are out there...
    Its a shame to see these things happen as far as WSOs are concerned, since this is one of the few forums like this were you get pretty good, reliable info, so you expect pretty good, reliable products...
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    A hat tip to all the great detective work on this thread.

    I think there are only two "watch me" threads worth watching:

    1. Pearson's (of course).

    2. The "watch the Warrior Women do the photo shoot" thread.

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I can't even view a "watch me" thread without thinking of #1 son shouting "watch me, Mom" every time he jumped off the diving board at the pool.

      But then there was #2 son who didn't shout "watch me" but jumped into the deep end "to see if I could swim" - he couldn't.

      Maybe it's best the "challenge-watch me" people keep posting their "Big$$$-few days" as it alerts some of us to keep an eye on what they are really doing.....

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      • Profile picture of the author sevenish
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I can't even view a "watch me" thread without thinking of #1 son shouting "watch me, Mom" every time he jumped off the diving board at the pool.

        But then there was #2 son who didn't shout "watch me" but jumped into the deep end "to see if I could swim" - he couldn't.
        Not to go off topic, but those memories came back to me too. My #2 was a daughter, but had similar logic and bravado at that age.
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        • Profile picture of the author adamv
          Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

          When I hit 2000 posts I decided I was going to let Warriors watch me build a video game blog and show them how I monetized it from A to Z.

          It was going to be a lot of fun.

          I had no agenda of turning it into a WSO or profiting from Warriors in any way. I just thought it was a nice gesture to give back, and once I committed to it I would be forced to finish it to the end.

          Heck, I even hired on help to take care of the blog.

          But guess what happened?

          A few people bitched about it and were complaining about it being promotional in some way. The thread was deleted by mods and I was pretty pissed. Pissed enough that I almost stopped posting here all together.

          Allen revived the thread cuz he knows my agenda isn't malicious around here. Then it got booted to off topic, and a variety of crap. Bottom line was, I got fed up. Didn't do it. Wasted time and money to get it rolling, but after the treatment I got, decided screw giving away that much killer info for free to folks around here.

          I really feel like a lot of Warriors missed out. I had BIG plans for that blog and had a team of people (some Warriors too) involved to really pimp it out.
          It sucks that someone like you who would have given people something of real value gets shut down.

          The people who post self promotional crap ruin things for everyone by taking away an opportunity for everyone else to learn something.

          I love this forum and there is a lot of great information here but I wonder how much more fantastic FREE information would be here if some people didn't screw it up for the rest of us.

          In addition to some good threads getting deleted with the bad ones, people are also complaining that good informative posts are quickly getting buried under the pile of crappy promotional posts.

          I guess I'll have to keep reporting the bad ones and maybe start handing out infractions like Halloween candy.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
            Originally Posted by adamv View Post

            It sucks that someone like you who would have given people something of real value gets shut down.

            The people who post self promotional crap ruin things for everyone by taking away an opportunity for everyone else to learn something.
            Adam,

            I don't remember ever seeing whatever Jason is talking about, but don't cry too hard for him. There sure was nothing stopping him from starting a blog and letting Warriors watch him monetize a video blog from there.

            After all, that's how Jason got his start. Ed & Frank put up a site. They didn't come here to get an audience for their 30-Day-Challenge, only to cancel everything because Allen moved the Challenge to the Off Topic section.

            Don't be too hard on the forum Adam, it's a decent resource.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
              Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

              Adam,

              I don't remember ever seeing whatever Jason is talking about, but don't cry too hard for him. There sure was nothing stopping him from starting a blog and letting Warriors watch him monetize it his video blog from there.

              After all, that's how Jason got his start. Ed & Frank put up a site. They didn't come here to get an audience for their 30-day Challenge, only to cancel the whole thing because Allen moved the Challenge to the Off Topic section.

              Adam, don't be too hard on the forum, it's a decent resource.

              John,

              I never attempted to do anything like the 30 day challenge.

              It would be helpful if you knew what you were talking about!

              Especially since you even said yourself...

              "I don't remember ever seeing whatever Jason is talking about"

              Naw wud I'm sayin man?

              And oh yeah,

              The whole thing was taking place on a blog, that was gonna be
              run by rockstar Warrior Craig Desorcy!

              And yes, a decent resource, but that would kinda be a big
              understatement don't ya think?
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            • Profile picture of the author adamv
              Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

              Adam,

              Don't be too hard on the forum Adam, it's a decent resource.
              I agree. It's a great resource and that's why I'm reporting so many of these "thanks for the info" posts intended to boost post count but not adding any value.

              I've learned a lot from this forum and try to contribute when and where I can. I wasn't bashing the forum I was just bitching about the people that are spamming this place.
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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      Originally Posted by Janeese View Post

      I have encountered the same thing. When I figure it out I will pass it on
      Wow, you're really cookin'.

      8 one line posts that add no value to the forum in 1/2 an hour. Keep up the good work and you'll have that post count up high enough for a WSO in no time.

      (Note the heavy sarcasm, I'm laying it on pretty thick.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
    I love the "watch me" challenges and find them great learning for making money.

    I for the love of money can't decide what goes on a blog and what for the main forum so I don't start threads as often as I used to. I understand the main forum is for discussion but my threads/blog posts all provoke discussion.

    I'm not looking for a detailed example either .

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    • Profile picture of the author bluet
      Originally Posted by Louis Raven View Post

      I love the "watch me" challenges and find them great learning for making money.
      I thought I did too, especially the ones with huge seemingly positive responses.
      Not anymore! LOL
      And now I am very suspicious about many of the WSO's here too.


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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Allen let us be moderators for a reason. When you see these threads setup only to promote a WSO, just report them. That is what I do. BTW, thanks for the thumbs up Jeremy.

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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      Allen let us be moderators for a reason. When you see these threads setup only to promote a WSO, just report them. That is what I do. BTW, thanks for the thumbs up Jeremy.

      TomG.
      I've reported so many in the past few days I feel like the forum police.

      I just happen to enjoy giving these people a hard time with smart ass remarks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      Allen let us be moderators for a reason. When you see these threads setup only to promote a WSO, just report them. That is what I do. BTW, thanks for the thumbs up Jeremy.

      TomG.
      Hey Tommy, love that you finally uploaded your photo.

      So that's what you've been hiding all this time.
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  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
    Hi Pat,

    ExRant, I think you may be in the wrong line of work!
    I've been called a few variations of my ID, but that's about the coolest and most appropriate freudian slip of the lot.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      The rant worked. WSO's are history and I think the network has been broken up and banned. Thanks for the detective work!

      Man I find it hard enough keeping myself organized I can't imagine managing multiple ID's where I'm having discussions with myself.


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      I've been called a few variations of my ID, but that's about the coolest and most appropriate freudian slip of the lot.
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      • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
        Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

        Man I find it hard enough keeping myself organized I can't imagine managing multiple ID's where I'm having discussions with myself.
        I totally hear you on that one! I have enough to do without adding posting to myself to the mix.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          These scammers would be so much further ahead if they just put the same amount of time into something constructive for their business.

          Honestly, I think they spend more time and effort scamming than they would actually making money online.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by OfflineMaster View Post

            Actually, quite a few people who have been doing these watch me threads are just trying to help the community! The $10,000 in 45 days thread has helped quite a few people...
            I was referring to Roger's post regarding the scammers he found.

            I personally think most are doing it to launch a wso. Luckily we don't have to agree all the time on the forum.
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            • Profile picture of the author EndGame
              May i ask who is Pearson and what is his thread? Seems to be a popular one with you guys, but I think I missed it.
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                Originally Posted by EndGame View Post

                May i ask who is Pearson and what is his thread? Seems to be a popular one with you guys, but I think I missed it.
                http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-10-weeks.html


                Pearson really knows this business inside and out. Great read and I am positive you will learn a lot.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
                When I hit 2000 posts I decided I was going to let Warriors watch me build a video game blog and show them how I monetized it from A to Z.

                It was going to be a lot of fun.

                I had no agenda of turning it into a WSO or profiting from Warriors in any way. I just thought it was a nice gesture to give back, and once I committed to it I would be forced to finish it to the end.

                Heck, I even hired on help to take care of the blog.

                But guess what happened?

                A few people bitched about it and were complaining about it being promotional in some way. The thread was deleted by mods and I was pretty pissed. Pissed enough that I almost stopped posting here all together.

                Allen revived the thread cuz he knows my agenda isn't malicious around here. Then it got booted to off topic, and a variety of crap. Bottom line was, I got fed up. Didn't do it. Wasted time and money to get it rolling, but after the treatment I got, decided screw giving away that much killer info for free to folks around here.

                I really feel like a lot of Warriors missed out. I had BIG plans for that blog and had a team of people (some Warriors too) involved to really pimp it out.

                It was sad that people have some sort of problem with me sharing with others. Since that day, I've provided very little value to the Warrior forum. It felt like a stab in the back.

                However, I'll admit this place is quite addicting, so I stick around. To be brutally honest, sometimes I have to wonder why though, especially since I rarely take advantage of the WSO's or try to make any money around here.

                Basically I have a group of loyal friends that bring me back here. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I was really let down by Warriors throwing a ax in a really cool project that I put a lot of hard work into.

                Anyhow, I think I'm gonna start a new thread...

                Watch me drink a bunch of beers and make a ass of myself.
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

                  When I hit 2000 posts I decided I was going to let Warriors watch me build a video game blog and show them how I monetized it from A to Z.
                  Jason, if I remember correctly that was sometime last year. I always
                  wondered what happened to that thread. I was very interested to see
                  what you were going to do.

                  Oh well. Sorry it didn't work out.
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                • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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                  Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post


                  Then it got booted to off topic, and a variety of crap. Bottom line was, I got fed up. Didn't do it. Wasted time and money to get it rolling, but after the treatment I got, decided screw giving away that much killer info for free to folks around here.
                  I think you need to get over yourself.
                  The forum doesn't revolve around you.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
                    Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

                    I think you need to get over yourself.
                    The forum doesn't revolve around you.
                    Nor you either Les
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
                    Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

                    I think you need to get over yourself.
                    The forum doesn't revolve around you.
                    And I never implied it did. I'm not on some kind of high horse dude.

                    I said I was simply fed up, and ditched the project. That was my bad, not the forums. But it pissed me off, mostly because so many people were pumped about it as well. But o well.

                    I'd love to bring it out of the woodworks someday. The first promo video I wrote was four 75 year old grandma's drinking Whiskey, playing Grand Theft Auto on Xbox, and swearing up a storm at young whipper snappers playing against them on Xbox Live.

                    It's wicked funny.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                      Les,
                      I think you need to get over yourself.
                      The forum doesn't revolve around you.
                      Directed at Jason, I find that statement... curious. I've never seen any evidence that he feels anything of the kind. On the contrary, I have seen him consistently try to be helpful, from his perspective.

                      That you don't agree with that perspective is not surprising. You and he have very different outlooks on the world, each of which is helpful in its own way. Seen from that angle, one could make the same comment to you, and it would be equally inapplicable. And equally attractive, to people who disagree with you.

                      Adam,
                      I love this forum and there is a lot of great information here but I wonder how much more fantastic FREE information would be here if some people didn't screw it up for the rest of us.
                      The loss to the membership over the years from the kind of thing that Jason describes has been huge. There might be as many as a half dozen of the longer term members who have any idea just how bad it is.

                      I remember when John Reese first started posting here. Some of the village idiots attacked him, and Jonathan Mizel commented, as near to verbatim as I can recall, "You fools! Don't chase Reese out of here, too!"

                      I was surprised that no-one seemed to catch the significance of that last word.

                      Detailing the loss would be pointless, and would take pages. Let's just say that we deserve every bit of it, for allowing the "guru bashing" threads, generic or specific, and not rejecting the people that attack anyone who's managed to do better than them as the envious, spiteful little cancers that they are.

                      Yes, some people call them on their behavior. Not nearly enough of us, and not nearly often enough.


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                      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                        Kumar,
                        And in case we would have called them out, they would have cried, "But you allowed J-Mo's blog to stay here!"
                        To which the proper response would be:

                        "Yeah. Figure out what was different, and we might let you do it, too. Until then, go away."


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                        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                          "Yeah. Figure out what was different, and we might let you do it, too. Until then, go away."
                          Paul
                          EXACTLY!! Someone GIVING away the type of info that would have been shared would have been the equivalent to a $997 product somewhere. What makes it stick though is the fact that almost everyone here knows that JMO can pull it off

                          That's like saying if John Reese came in and started a thread saying he was going to show us exactly how he drives a million visitors a month to his site, who the hell would delete that?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                    Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

                    I think you need to get over yourself.
                    The forum doesn't revolve around you.
                    That's a bit harsh. I've never seen Moffatt imply that it has. When he tried to help by doing a cool case study, it was BS that there were complaints. I think case studies are a valuable addition to the forum. Anybody who doesn't want to watch doesn't have to enter that thread.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                      Kevin,

                      "Harsh" is a generous understatement.

                      There are topics I won't touch here any more. Anything I have to say about them is said in private, with a "keep my name out of it" request.

                      Everyone has limits, and the fallout from my response to someone pushing those buttons again would not be helpful to the rest of the group. So, I just stay away.


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                      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
                        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                        Kevin,

                        "Harsh" is a generous understatement.

                        There are topics I won't touch here any more. Anything I have to say about them is said in private, with a "keep my name out of it" request.

                        Everyone has limits, and the fallout from my response to someone pushing those buttons again would not be helpful to the rest of the group. So, I just stay away.


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                        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                          Martin,
                          "You fools! Don't chase Myers out of here, too!"
                          [chuckle] The fools in the group could never acquire that kind of influence, or I'd have been gone within the first week.

                          There are some very senior members who've been told, "Don't push that button with me," repeatedly, and kept it up. I'm talking things like trying to dictate what charities I choose to support, and what my political beliefs should be. Stuff that my best friends know is off limits, much less people I've never actually met.

                          People who know me well can tell you, I don't have that many buttons to push. If you keep hitting them after you've been asked not to, you go into the "Don't waste your time on this person" list.

                          Sometimes that means avoiding subjects you know will attract that crap, because the fallout would be bad for everyone else, even if the target deserved every megaton of the damage.


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                • Profile picture of the author kumar
                  Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

                  When I hit 2000 posts I decided I was going to let Warriors watch me build a video game blog and show them how I monetized it from A to Z.

                  It was going to be a lot of fun.

                  I had no agenda of turning it into a WSO or profiting from Warriors in any way. I just thought it was a nice gesture to give back, and once I committed to it I would be forced to finish it to the end.

                  Heck, I even hired on help to take care of the blog.

                  But guess what happened?

                  A few people bitched about it and were complaining about it being promotional in some way. The thread was deleted by mods and I was pretty pissed. Pissed enough that I almost stopped posting here all together.

                  Allen revived the thread cuz he knows my agenda isn't malicious around here. Then it got booted to off topic, and a variety of crap. Bottom line was, I got fed up. Didn't do it. Wasted time and money to get it rolling, but after the treatment I got, decided screw giving away that much killer info for free to folks around here.

                  I really feel like a lot of Warriors missed out. I had BIG plans for that blog and had a team of people (some Warriors too) involved to really pimp it out.

                  It was sad that people have some sort of problem with me sharing with others. Since that day, I've provided very little value to the Warrior forum. It felt like a stab in the back.

                  However, I'll admit this place is quite addicting, so I stick around. To be brutally honest, sometimes I have to wonder why though, especially since I rarely take advantage of the WSO's or try to make any money around here.

                  Basically I have a group of loyal friends that bring me back here. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I was really let down by Warriors throwing a ax in a really cool project that I put a lot of hard work into.

                  Anyhow, I think I'm gonna start a new thread...

                  Watch me drink a bunch of beers and make a ass of myself.
                  Jason,

                  I am sure you had good intentions to help people here. I obviously wasn't a member back then, but I think it could have set a false precedent for others to follow, specially those whose sole aim is to gain traffic to their blogs or build a pseudo-reputation here. And in case we would have called them out, they would have cried, "But you allowed J-Mo's blog to stay here!"
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                • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
                  Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post


                  Anyhow, I think I'm gonna start a new thread...

                  Watch me drink a bunch of beers and make a ass of myself.
                  Looking forward to the WSO of that.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                    Hi Jmo,

                    I'm not on some kind of high horse dude.
                    He smoked it himself - screw the horse.

                    Hi Paul,

                    I remember when John Reese first started posting here. Some of the village idiots attacked him, and Jonathan Mizel commented, as near to verbatim as I can recall, "You fools! Don't chase Reese out of here, too!"

                    I was surprised that no-one seemed to catch the significance of that last word.

                    Detailing the loss would be pointless, and would take pages. Let's just say that we deserve every bit of it, for allowing the "guru bashing" threads, generic or specific, and not rejecting the people that attack anyone who's managed to do better than them as the envious, spiteful little cancers that they are.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                      Jeremy,
                      That's like saying if John Reese came in and started a thread saying he was going to show us exactly how he drives a million visitors a month to his site, who the hell would delete that?
                      Half the membership. Seriously.

                      It wouldn't matter one bit if everything in the thread was possible without buying anything at all, much less John's product. The fact that he has a product on traffic would make people accuse him of being self-promotional, as though that's somehow evil by itself.

                      This is something most folks here never quite get their heads around. People create products on the subjects they know the most about. That also happens to be the area in which they can offer the most help to others. No coincidence there, and no conspiracy. Just plain logic.

                      One of the guidelines I always used when I was moderating was a question: Is the information in this post useful on its own, without needing to buy a product? If so, it's a valid post. If not, it's not.

                      The decision was based solely on the content of the post. I deliberately ignored sig files for purposes of answering that question, unless the poster made a reference that seemed to point to theirs. That provided a balance of interests that worked. People got to promote their knowledge and their products, in ways that were helpful whether someone purchased anything from them or not.

                      Win-win.

                      People pay waaay too much attention to the correlation of sig files and post content these days, and way too little to the value of the content itself.

                      When I released a product on writing recently, I fully expected to be accused of being self-promotional for my usual habit of commenting in threads about writing. But I didn't really care. Most people don't want the grief.


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                      • Profile picture of the author IMChick
                        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


                        People pay waaay too much attention to the correlation of sig files and post content these days, and way too little to the value of the content itself.

                        Paul
                        I would add here that the post count and thanked posts stats have positive aspects to them, but the negatives outweigh them at times.

                        If you do your due dilligence, those really big post count numbers are due in part to 'water cooler chat' about off-topic nonsense, or someone's friends follow them around with the thanks button. I even saw a new member post a line of commas as their reply to get the count up. So the count is irrelevant to me since it's become kind of like ebay penny recipe or download feedback. So these are good indicators of someone's length of time as a member, but that's about it. At least for me.
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    I must admit, the "Follow me while I make $1 in 8 Weeks" thread almost had me splitting my sides. I'm laughing my a$$ off again now just typing this and thinking about it. Just my kind of humor.

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    What is up with all the "What is up" threads?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    WSO's are history
    ....and so are those "members"

    Good work!
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    Hey! You looking at ME? YOU LOOKING AT ME?!
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  • Profile picture of the author webpromotions
    This OP should be a sticky or something.

    There is a current 'watch me' thread that is so obviously a 'bait' thing...I really can't believe its lasted this long. The particular poster was already called out before...nothing much came of it.

    I'll probably get those 'infraction' things for this post, but cmon....walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, etc...

    I've never been an active poster here, but I've visited many times daily for a long time to get some great info. Its getting harder and harder to wade thru the crap.

    I think some of the old timers here should be allowed to violate rule #1. They've earned the respect and proved their sincerity...

    Just hitting the report button doesn't seem to cut it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    Three possible theories as to why all the Watch Me threads:

    1.) The Warrior Forum is full of exhibitionists
    2.) It's done to distract us from the Riley Mankini threads - if we're watching these threads, we don't have to see Riley in all his "glory".
    3.) Riley's mutated super-intelligent hamsters created these threads to distract us, so we won't notice them breaking out of the lab and conquering Osaka. And then all of Japan. And then the world.
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    Watching and learning. That's my one-liner.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

    Now Pearson's was great but I noticed more and more of these threads popping up. I am just wondering why that is?

    Is there a reason why you can put it on a blog here instead of bumping the threads up each and every day?

    We are missing some great information. For example Kurt posted some great info on how you can automate content and there is hardly any replies to that while I am seeing "Watch me make so and so in 1 hour" threads.

    I do notice wso's are spurting up from the same people that want to be watched.
    Thanks Thomas...

    To be honest, it's very frustrating. It seems there's only two types of threads people are interested in any more:

    1. Threads about "Look at me! Look at me!"

    2. Threads that talk about the "Look at me" threads...

    Does any one here really want to learn anything new, or do we just want to have a social gathering where we all just gossip about each other?

    So what if someone makes a post that may be self-promotional. As long as there's something to learn in the post, that should be good enough.

    Those threads are FAR BETTER than the "threads that talk about threads" and do nothing but state how each participant feels how this forum should be run.

    No! It's you to YOU to post good threads and posts and to participate in the "good" threads. But instead, you have to clutter the forum and keep bumping the "threads about threads threads".

    This ends my participation in threads about threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
    I don't really know anything about this WSO or multiple characters thing as I really don't pay much attention to that stuff.

    However, I feel this stuff is best left out in the open and not behind closed doors.

    For what it's worth, I received this PM from user name Dennis-White. It read...

    "Hey jmo, I have got to ask you a question about warriorforum... My screen name was banned.. becuase they said I was linked to people promoting my wso... on the other hand, I had no control if someone who promotes my products wants to purchase a wso... from me as well...

    dude, ive had under my old screen name a post in main section with 2,00 views, and a wso with 3k banked.. why would some admins be pissed cuz a few people from my list that promote my products buy my wso's ...?

    any opinion would be appriated

    It seems as if I am coming up and these old time mods got it in for people stirring up contrivirsy

    Dennis"

    I didn't reply as I know nothing of the issue. And it's probably best to discuss this in public instead of PM'ing me about it. That way Dennis can see the answers and Warriors can see what Dennis is up to, or isn't up to.

    Me, I have no clue and really not interested to be truthful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      "Hey jmo, I have got to ask you a question about warriorforum... My screen name was banned.. becuase they said I was linked to people promoting my wso... on the other hand, I had no control if someone who promotes my products wants to purchase a wso... from me as well...
      That's pure BS. He was ID shilling and got caught. Pure and simple.

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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        That's pure BS. He was ID shilling and got caught. Pure and simple.

        kay
        Not much of a copywriter, either...

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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by jmidas View Post

          The reason so many popped up is that people are basically completely uncreative. One person does something and it is creative/interesting, so everyone else just copies it instead of thinking for themselves.

          Mini Rant: it is the same as when idiots in the press add the word "-gate" to any controversy. This is WF's "follow-me gate." The first time someone called something ___-gate after the Watergate thing, that was creative, funny, etc.. For the last 35 years, it shows nothing but a complete lack of intelligence and creativity on the part of the powers that be in the press.

          So, my point to marketers and warriors out there: use your brains, be creative. Remember, the person you are copying is likely an idiot too. I know, I know: there is nothing wrong with having a swipe file, etc... You, know, back a winning horse... Yes, there is when you beat the poor horse to death.
          I can see it now...

          "FollowMe-gate -- Scandal on Crack and Steroids!"
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    How does one PM someone if they've been banned? Don't they have to have a certain number of posts in order to PM people, anyway? From Jason's post it appears that this person has yet ANOTHER long term identity here.
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      Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

      How does one PM someone if they've been banned? Don't they have to have a certain number of posts in order to PM people, anyway? From Jason's post it appears that this person has yet ANOTHER long term identity here.
      Very good point that Angela.
      I'm sure he'll turn up with another WSO soon.
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