Did Apple Dig its grave ?!

.... and as I said in post 56, they've already created an anticipated fever for the iPhone 5, which is due next year.

That really is marketing brilliance!

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This is what I am saying IPhone 4 owners are not moving to IPhone 4S.

If you are a fan of Apple and you are not interested in getting aboard with their update "because there is no need" it says something about that product.

ARE YOU MAKING FUN OF ME ?

I bought the Samsung Galaxy II, fantastic phone, very pleased with it. I used to want an iPhone but when it came to it the Samsung seemed to be a far better deal all round. Plus I don't have to be tied to iTunes all the time :-)

Plus I have an iPod touch so can run iPod aps on that if I want.

Yes it probably would have. However, for Apple it would make no sense because as with other phones the 4s is an upgraded version of the 4. That is why they look so similar. When they are ready to introduce the 5 it will look different and be quite a bit different.

My roommate has the 4 and was able to get all the software upgrades the 4s has for free. This is, again an upgraded version not a new phone all together.

Benjamin Ehinger

How exactly is Apple losing? Sales numbers tell otherwise. If you aren't aware Apple doesn't really "compete" with others across their line from the iphone to Macbooks. Hence the reason why they can do updates here and there vs say a dozen new windows PC/Laptops and Droid phones coming out every week.

Apple integrates their products with full control over the OS and hardware, which is why they work efficient and quicker in many respects vs a competitor with "better specs on paper" if you know what I mean. For example b/c of that integration it's why the 4S can do what it does with half the Ram power of the Droids 1GB. I like Droids as well, newer ones are way better than before. Only very few people care about "specs" for bragging rights vs the others that just use a phone and like the simplicity and smoothness of iOS. The main problem with Droids is they come setup blahhh, you have to down load various app's and test etc, if you want your phone setup the way it should have came. I.E. stock key pad system sucks, there are dozens available in the Droid market, you have to go through and find which one you prefer.

I bought a Macbook Pro when there are laptops with better paper specs. Why? Well for one I got a sexy ass aluminum build that makes plastic laptops feel cheap and flimsy, I got backlit keyboard, trackpad that's still #1, ablity to run Win7 at the same time as OS/X in a virtual system, and looooong battery life. I can watch 3 HD movies on a plane no prob, windows laptop will be lucky to make it through 1 movie before battery is drained.

Now that's not to say I love Apples "control" as I always jailbreak my phones and tweek

Isn't Apple successful?
And yes, the galaxy II is a much better phone, specs and looks wise.

Do you even realize what you write? You posted in the first post and I quote:
So are you are saying that you would buy it if changes aren't major, yet you argue that the changes to the iphone 4s weren't major enough... Some one please enlighten me on this brilliant logic.

People mention Apple is not responsible for the rumors , will why everyone SURE that IPhone 5 will be better ? Maybe there is no IPhone 5 ?!

After all Apple didn't "announce it"

I heard and saw on the news (either Global TV or CTV, here in Vancouver), a week or so after he passed away, that he has left instructions for 4 MORE GENERATIONS to come.

So, I guess we'll just have to wait and see!

Cheers,

JMB

No problem-I probably should have explained myself better. Yes indeed my hands are dirty too and it weighs on me; I'm no angel, but I probably consume less than 95% of my fellow USers, so I feel like I have a right to say something now and then about reducing your impact.

I try to keep in mind the impact my purchases have, and not replace things that are still working just fine, as well as avoiding the worst companies (in terms of various impacts-labor, environmental; do they support monstrous despots-like Shell Oil does, etc), as much as possible. I try to support companies that are run decently and that use sustainable practices, treat workers well, etc, which usually means smaller companies.

While I try to move toward supporting relatively good companies and avoiding bad, the fact is that I support Earth's destruction every time I fill up my gas tank. I don't feel good about it, but when I look at the consumption of people around me, I am definitely out of step, in the right direction, in my mind.

I probably am a hypocrite, but when I see people acting like groupies over their high tech toy manufacturers, it makes me a little ill. How many of those mall pilgrims you see camping in line to see a movie first, or buy a phone first, can't even be bothered to vote, let alone have the vaguest interest in how much blood was shed in the manufacture of their latest fetish object?

I am a "rampant consumer", compared to the average Guatemalan, but to the average US citizen, I'm more like a monk with my consuming. I produce half the garbage in a household that fills a smallish can in about a month. By comparison to my rampant consumerism, the consumption of the average person I see around me (in "Earth friendly" Seattle), would have to be called rampant to the power of 10.

Like all of us, I'm a work in progress, and hopefully will have an overall positive impact when my life is done, but I can't assume that; it's something I have to work on, and should work harder than I do.

It happens that a lot of Africans in the Congo and elsewhere, are mining minerals that go into smart phones, regular cell phones, and other small electronic trinkets, at gunpoint, under horrendous conditions, and many people have died in those mines, ultimately serving the consumers who buy the sweet, clean looking toys that would look more like dismembered bodies, dripping with entrails if their impact were made visible.

I'm just pointing out a reality most people never consider, and asking people to take that into account, and ask themselves if a purchase couldn't be put off for a while, so as to lessen their destructive impact. None of us are pure, but that doesn't mean we can't at least try to mitigate the suffering we cause.

Corporations like Apple that make billions selling us beautiful, cool, overpriced gadgets made in sweatshops, have no interest in anyone becoming a more aware consumer-they want us all to consume more, not less.

But the ugly face of war and enforced human misery is on the flip side of the coin that has a shiny new toy on the only side Apple hopes you will ever see. I'm just hoping I influence someone, sometime to turn over the coin now and then, and consider putting off a purchase, if you're moved by the idea of alleviating suffering rather than causing more of it.

Not all corporations are evil, and those that are definitely have different levels of impact. Apple may have it's problems (notably sweat shop labor, and off-shoring profits on paper so that they don't have to pay taxes in the country where the money was really made), but I don't think they played anything close to a major role in the current world wide economic meltdown-bankers turned gamblers and con artists were the ones that brought it about-not computer manufacturers.

It isn't Apple or Starbucks that packaged loans they knew were bad, sold them to retirement account managers as safe investments, and then bet on them to fail, nor was it they who nearly destroyed the Gulf of Mexico.

If it is hypocritical to fight a system of greed and corruption just because you have an iphone or buy Starbucks coffee, then I say, long live the hypocrites, and good on them for getting out there and trying to make a positive impact, regardless what company logo is on their toys, or their coffee. If everyone cared enough to stick their neck out for the sake of humanity and the planet we share, the improvements to society would be epic in scope.

Oh cheers mate!

I've just been chucked out of the phone shop for asking for a B****y Galaxy.

Exactly Alan...and on that note this thread very much belongs in this forum, though until your comment and my thoughts below, I was wondering why it was here myself.

The thing is, the OP and one or two others think that it's bad marketing yet, in actual fact, it just goes to show how clever Apple are when people are so upset they come and vent on an IM forum that they can't get a phone they've never seen or looked at the specs for!