Should You Use Spun Content?

by salaka
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hello
warriors

if you use Spun Content on small niche site for example 15 page site

would you not rank???

i am going to run experiment on this on a brand new site any warriors done this before????????

i am going to use the BESTSpinner

your thoughts please
#content #spun
  • Profile picture of the author Steve Rosenbaum
    This is the most irritating stuff I've ever seen. I don't care how you rank, I immediately trash or ignore anything I see that is spun and imagine I'm not alone.
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    • Profile picture of the author salaka
      Originally Posted by Steve Rosenbaum View Post

      This is the most irritating stuff I've ever seen. I don't care how you rank, I immediately trash or ignore anything I see that is spun and imagine I'm not alone.
      so how can you find out they are spun??? there spinners in the market will pass copyscape as well????

      and dont get "irritating" just question
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
      Originally Posted by Steve Rosenbaum View Post

      This is the most irritating stuff I've ever seen. I don't care how you rank, I immediately trash or ignore anything I see that is spun and imagine I'm not alone.
      Steve,
      I agree spun content is unnecessary, but if Joe Blow goes to a web site, and sees some content, how the heck will he know whether it is spun or not? Sure, you could go through the trouble of checking it, or see if similar articles show up in the rankings adjacent or near the one you clicked on, but short of landing on an article eerily similar to one you've already read, how would you know?
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      • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
        Originally Posted by Steve Faber View Post

        Steve,
        I agree spun content is unnecessary, but if Joe Blow goes to a web site, and sees some content, how the heck will he know whether it is spun or not?
        Unfortunately, lots of people just hit "spin" and then publish whatever comes out - leaving behind a trail of grammar mistakes, words that don't make any contextual sense, and content that reads like some kind of Klingon spin-off language In the end, you wind up with content that sticks out like a sore thumb - and not in a good way!

        I published an article on PLR over a year ago, and a few months later, some "nice" soul decided to rip it off, shove it through a spinner and publish the results (under my name... yes, "nice" indeed :rolleyes. I started off the original article by explaining that PLR stands for "Private Label Rights". Thanks to the article spinner, my explanation morphed into "Personal Label Rights".

        My original tip that "PLR does not have to be expensive, but if you aim for something that costs a little bit more, you will probably get higher quality writing," suddenly had become "PLR does not have to be expensive, but if you aim some thing that charges a small bit far more, you will almost certainly get larger quality writing."

        Trust me, if you're reading spun content, you'll be able to spot it!
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    I personally don't spin any content.

    It's a matter of quality over quantity to me.

    There's a lot of people that will say spinning articles is a good marketing practice. I would steer clear personally, your better off with unique content or hiring a writer IMHO.

    As far as ranking, spun content won't do you any good, as the majority of backlinks will be useless, and hold little to no value. Speaking of value, I agree with Steve's statement.

    All the Best,

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  • Profile picture of the author Tommy Smith
    Salaka, it is very easy to detect a spun article. So, you better create a unique and original articles for your website. This is the safest way to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by salaka View Post

    Should You Use Spun Content?
    Considering all the discussion about this issue that we get here, the answer's actually very simple and very straightforward - and it's "NO".

    Here are the two threads you need to read, Salaka - between them, they'll tell you all you can need to know, I think ... (and one of them may even entertain you, a little, into the bargain) ...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...necessary.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-when-use.html

    Some people will tell you that "it depends on the quality of the spinning". This thinking is missing most of the points explained in those two threads just above, which will repay careful reading.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    It really all depends on the quality and readability of the spun articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author deepsand
    Article spinning today is taking on a life of its own now. To have spun content on your site, main site, would be very risking in my opinion, but what some of the gurus are doing to "think" they will not get caught is to use original content on high PR sites and then use spun content on site that do not care about the quality of the articles, however, if you see the results from Google's Panda, those are the same directories, and sites for that matter, that have had a loss in rankings, therefore spinning does cost you in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author oleo
    Thanks for this info. I was really considering using spun content, but I had a feeling it wouldn't be a good idea. I'll stick to the original stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Might I add, I too had went out an bought (AMR) Article Marketing Robot for $97 and in looking through the threads here to learn "how to" use the damn thing, I stumbled upon a very informative thread Alexa Smith and others here in WF had contributed to.

    When your eyes are open to the truth, such as NOT relying "solely" on search engines or SEO for your livelihood and the future thereof, this business takes on a whole "New Light!"

    I don't want to sound like some IM fanatical parrot, but since having had this enlightening realization myself, I sincerely recommend reading through some article syndication threads, and weighing the FREE information that defines "why" spinning is a waste of time and money.

    It's your option, and several "claim" great success with it, but I don't see the long-term benefit of cutting corners.

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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by salaka View Post

      so how can you find out they are spun??? there spinners in the market will pass copyscape as well????

      and dont get "irritating" just question
      Passing copyscape means nothing to a reader. All it means is that the bot behind it could not find an exact duplicate. I find the whole idea of an article being xx% unique silly. I could snip entries from the phone book, swap the names and numbers around and come up with something that would pass copyscape.

      Originally Posted by Steve Faber View Post

      Steve,
      I agree spun content is unnecessary, but if Joe Blow goes to a web site, and sees some content, how the heck will he know whether it is spun or not? Sure, you could go through the trouble of checking it, or see if similar articles show up in the rankings adjacent or near the one you clicked on, but short of landing on an article eerily similar to one you've already read, how would you know?
      If you can't tell, don't worry about it. Most of the spun output is gibberish. Nicole's example is actually one of the better spins I've seen, as you can sort of still divine the point she made in the original.

      People keep forgetting that just because you rank for something does not mean that people will do what you want them to do. You're still dealing with people, not algorithms. I've yet to get a payment notice from a spider or a sale credited to a bot. They all come from people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Passing copyscape means nothing to a reader. All it means is that the bot behind it could not find an exact duplicate. I find the whole idea of an article being xx% unique silly. I could snip entries from the phone book, swap the names and numbers around and come up with something that would pass copyscape.


        If you can't tell, don't worry about it. Most of the spun output is gibberish. Nicole's example is actually one of the better spins I've seen, as you can sort of still divine the point she made in the original.

        People keep forgetting that just because you rank for something does not mean that people will do what you want them to do. You're still dealing with people, not algorithms. I've yet to get a payment notice from a spider or a sale credited to a bot. They all come from people.
        Yeah, I've seen the spun articles where their spinner left the spin tags in. They published anyway, probably because they never looked at it, as it was on 100% auto-pilot. I see that on comments about my blog posts all the time.

        Some of them are so bad, they're beyond laughable, and I got a good laugh at her example.
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    • Profile picture of the author plongmire
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      When your eyes are open to the truth, such as NOT relying "solely" on search engines or SEO for your livelihood and the future thereof, this business takes on a whole "New Light!"-Art
      Hey Art: Could you expand on this a little bit...
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by plongmire View Post

        Hey Art: Could you expand on this a little bit...
        Yessir...

        I spent the better part of my 1st five months online under the belief; the most effective way to earn good money online was through SEO and competing for that #1 slot that offers 40% of the "keyword" traffic.

        While, I do not regret the knowledge, I did gain some valuable insight from learning the ropes of on-page and off-page SEO strategies, nor will I suggest forgetting about SEO altogether...

        I do have an entirely different mindset, and business strategy which I am harnessing and currently implementing.

        That strategy is perhaps better explained in the link below by those who are far more knowledgeable than I am. However, the statement I made above as bold and perhaps as profound as it was concerning "having ones eyes opened to the truth" was definitely inspired by this thread in particular.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...mith-myob.html

        I have read too many "Horror Stories" of great marketer's waking up one day to find their reliance on "G" or the SERP's was so detrimental to their livelihood, only to lose it all due to an algorithm change, it scared me enough to seek alternate measures!

        Naturally, everyone has their own version of the "Truth", but I will stand behind this statement, as I can relate to the article syndication methods, and those who have shared their insight so unselfishly with little to gain, as opposed to those 'pushing' article spinners, and this jolly green giant believe that the only way to earn is by gaming the search engines, and hoping for a fairy tale ending, or some... magic beanstalk to riches method. *Which a few may actually still succeed from, but upon closer investigation; the evidence shows more often than not, the money was from selling programs, spinners, SEO services, etc... that teach these methods or have a business specifically on selling shovels to those digging for gold.

        I'll leave it at that for now, and I too will openly admit; I am NOT the expert, but if you read through the thread above, and pay close attention to Alexa, myob, Paul, John McCabe, and several others who contribute their knowledge to this subject matter, I think you'll find it hard to disprove!

        Again, I still employ SEO practices, but I don't care if I rank my sites anymore. The real goal is getting "laser targeted traffic" to my niche sites, which BTW are ruled by .gov, .cdc., .edu., and some MONSTER competition that would be so unlikely I'd ever see anything close to a page 1 ranking, let alone the #1 slot!

        If your targeting those 1,000 [exact] monthly searches, sure you can break the competition, but if you're in a competitive market, and your keyword returns xx,xxx,xxx,xxx results with 350k [exact] keyword searches, what path would you choose?


        I hope that helps!

        All the Best,

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        • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
          Originally Posted by redfieryheart View Post

          If you think using spun articles is your only option right now, go ahead but make sure you will edit it because most spun articles looks like trash because of their "robotic" content and it will do you more harm than good in SE ranking.
          I agree completely and "robotic" is not going to do anybody any good. It has to be about the reader and not Google.

          Originally Posted by crystal2 View Post

          spun content is not good for money site. though you can use it for web2.0 properties and layered links or articles, but not main site.
          I would not recommend this either. If all you want is average quality backlinks go ahead, but Web 2.0 properties and other sites get seen as well. Readers can find you this way as well, but if your content is crap they are not going to trust you or go to any of your links on these sites.

          Originally Posted by art72 View Post

          Yessir...

          I spent the better of my 1st five months under the belief; the most effective way to earn good money online was through SEO and competing for that #1 slot that offers 40% of the "keyword" traffic.

          While, I do not regret the knowledge, I did gain some valuable insight from learning the ropes of on-page and off-page SEO strategies, nor will I suggest forgetting about SEO altogether...

          I do have an entirely different mindset, and business strategy which I am harnessing and currently implementing.

          That strategy is perhaps better explained in the link below by those who are far more knowledgeable than I am. However, the statement I made above as bold and perhaps as profound as it was concerning "having ones eyes opened to the truth" was definitely inspired by this thread in particular.

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...mith-myob.html

          I have read too many "Horror Stories" of great marketer's waking up one day to find their reliance on "G" or the SERP's was so detrimental to their livelihood, only to lose it all due to an algorithm change, it scared me enough to seek alternate measures!

          Naturally, everyone has their own version of the "Truth", but I will stand behind this statement, as I can relate to the article syndication methods, and those who have shared their insight so unselfishly with little to gain, as opposed to those 'pushing' article spinners, and this jolly green giant believe that the only way to earn is by gaming the search engines.

          I'll leave it at that for now, and I too will openly admit; I am NOT the expert, but if you read through the thread above, and pay close attention to Alexa, myob, Paul, John McCabe, and several others who contribute their knowledge to this subject matter, I think you'll find it hard to disprove!

          I hope that helps!

          All the Best,

          Art
          Art you hit it right on the money and You and I went through something very similar it sounds like.

          Benjamin Ehinger
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan92
    At first I didn't realize that you were talking about using content on your site rather than to promote your site via drip feeding or a similar strategy.

    Anyway, while I do not do this myself, I am aware of some folks using spinner content as sort of a supplement to the regular content. They feel this sort of "hybrid" strategy is advantageous.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    I get a lot of spun spam comments on my blogs. Most of them are completely ridiculous.

    I tried spinning a few articles for free with Content Professor and the results were horrendous. I would never put that on a website. Especially when you can outsource articles for so little now. You could buy 20 original articles for around $100 if you don't want to write them.

    However, I've never seen the results of some of the paid spinning software like TBS. Maybe they produce better results than Content Professor?
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  • Profile picture of the author IamTJM
    Spinning articles can work if you do it right, but it can still be detected. I like to stick to unique and original content when creating new sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author 3bagsfull
    I once saw a spun article that changed the term "search engine" to "look for it engine" -- I wish I had kept the link because I actually laughed out loud

    that is one of the basic reasons not to spin an article -- it simply MAKES NO SENSE!!

    your average reader will walk away from your site because your content is garbage

    and from what I understand, google can pick up on poor syntax as well which makes your site "worthless" to them. they want to push up sites in the rankings that have content that helps their users and is readable
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  • Profile picture of the author winseosoft
    Better to spun it then use same content.
    Google detects plagiature and they will eighter ban you or send your blog to sand box.
    You won't rank with plagiature.
    So you wite unique content(best way but takes time if you have several sites) or spun content.
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  • Profile picture of the author busybusinessman
    Sorry to be so dismissive but if you have even half a brain it is quicker, and always grammatically correct, if you simply download an article(or whatever) and change it using your knowledge of the English language so that it reads as something new. Then to check run it through Copyscape. It costs something like 5 cents a check and you can buy credits in small units of $10 or less.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
    In general, most spun articles end up being poor quality because they use fully automated spinning and are rarely proof read.

    That said - there is nothing wrong with spun articles if they are done well. If you decide to spin just use the following tips to preserve quality:
    - Where possible MANUALLY spin (re-write new versions of each sentence)
    - Always proof read
    - Try to get the highest possible unique % (minimum of 30)
    - Use BEST quality on any automated tool (eg The Best Spinner)
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  • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
    Originally Posted by salaka View Post

    hello
    warriors

    if you use Spun Content on small niche site for example 15 page site

    would you not rank???

    i am going to run experiment on this on a brand new site any warriors done this before????????

    i am going to use the BESTSpinner

    your thoughts please



    Good luck although Spun content might lead you to be done content.

    I am often amazed at how much effort is taken to game the system rather then just sit down and create something to impress your client....as I suspect if you do that.....you'll actually get in the game much faster....and have way less issues worrying about Google "not catching you."

    The money in sales is engaging your prospect and selling THEM. Not too much dough in trying to spend a lifetime figuring out how to not get on Google bad side.

    But hey...good luck.


    Vince
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    The internet has evolved.

    My stance on this issue has been consistently founded on what I have witnessed online, particularly in the last several months.

    Whether niche sites, or article directories/Web 2.0 sites, many sites were hammered extremely hard--greatly impacting the businesses of both the website owner(s), as well as, those who use them as apart of a much larger diversification strategy.

    It is my opinion that THESE sites were hit hard because of two reasons. Essentially, I believe the "blame" lies on both owners and users.

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    1) Inability or unwillingness to implement greater/more strict quality control standards.

    and

    2) Users exploiting sites with low quality spun content.

    Whether you believe spinning has something to do with this or not, the fact of the matter is that SOMETHING is happening.

    With that said, I think there are occasions where content COULD be spun "properly", however, I also believe that it would take a users hours upon hours to do it....and, honestly, I think it would be 'easier' just to write a high quality original piece of content from scratch.

    Unfortunately, it seems like few, nowadays, are more concerned with "making money", then by providing the highest quality of content and value to an end user.

    When the pursuit of money trumps quality content--and, let's face it, people who sell spinning software in droves oftentimes using the selling point of "efficiency" and "speed", when these very variables lead to cyberspace being flooded by tons of low quality content--then, I think, we have a serious problem.

    If anything, I do concede that, if this software is to continue to be sold by affiliates, that much MUCH greater effort should be expended to teach people how to REALLY do it properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author redfieryheart
    If you think using spun articles is your only option right now, go ahead but make sure you will edit it because most spun articles looks like trash because of their "robotic" content and it will do you more harm than good in SE ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author crystal2
    spun content is not good for money site. though you can use it for web2.0 properties and layered links or articles, but not main site.
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  • Profile picture of the author flx89
    it should rank. But it's better to avoid placing adsense on it, as according to their terms agreement, they only accent quality articles
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  • Profile picture of the author LeeLee
    I just had a good laugh. I found a spun article that I wrote for dollars. I won't be specific ( not ethical) but a green tree works out to be an inexperienced tree.
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    • Profile picture of the author Azarna
      I am a busy lady. I don't bother reading stuff that is not well written simply because I know I can easily find another site with the same information elsewhere.

      Why should I, or any of your potential customers, settle for spun stuff because you couldn't be bothered to offer anything original? The result is simply that we won't be bothered to hang around and buy your products either. You will have just set yourself a poor standard, why should anyone trust your products to be quality?
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  • Profile picture of the author Pierce
    I definitely recommend you create unique content. In my opinion its not worth the risk. Also when people recognize spun content they will definitely not read the rest of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Haynes
    Personally, I prefer quality & intrigrity. I dimiss any & all junk but good luck to you.

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