KICK ME IN THE BOTTOM - please read it - it's very essential for me!

by Dmitry 25 replies
This post is inspired by the other thread about the crying folk.

OK. I'm doing it!

Although I don't cry I've been feeling for a long time like I needed a kick in the ass, so this thread would be burning my bridges. It might not seem a big deal to anyone, because frankly asking someone to kick you is just an excuse to not do it yourself. I know this. The point however is to get as much people read it so there is not going back for me, once I make it public.

So a little background is due.

Back in summer of 2000 I started the paid to -surf, -read emails, -surveys, etc. you name it. Immediately I started joining every program and created a website on a free host promoting them. Of course - typical story - nobody came... except my brother I think, but he wasn't the perfect referral - didn't make a dime from him.

By the start of 2001 I already knew a thing or two about IM (thanks to Terry Dean, a great marketer) and I built up my first "paid" website. Very soon I started making some affiliates, commissions, bought a few resale rights ebooks by Jimmy D. Brown and so it went. I had my own newsletter and I was basically just sending offers. Later on I'd create my own product, then some more resale rights, then some more products. Then I got into blackhat SEO. That's when things kicked in. Early autumn (September) of 2004 I had my first $10,000 month.

I remember I sat down onb my kitchen chair by the door and I thought to myself - things will never be the same again from this point on. Well, they got.

I got lazy, my sites got banned. But I was still making some money from my list so I didn't care (plus I was still in high school so who cares, right?!)... in 2006 when I finally decided that I need to start making money again I thought I'd "cheat" the system and create a magic bullet (coz I was so lazy) so I invested in a PLR site. Only 3 people ever joined - I still have the articles for the first couple of months. Again I was too "un-driven" to make it succeed. I just excused myself with - "well, you have to know when to let go... not everything is a winner"... How comforting that is!

Then in late 2006 I got back into SEO... I thought to myself - "well, it's the only thing you ever felt really motivated to work on (and I now know why!) so let's get you back there!"

And I did. I invested some money into developing this really powerful blackhat system, and things started to get going. I was working real hard - because it was the easy money, the magic bullet... You see the paradox here - I was working HARD for the EASY thing. Looking at it now - that's the thing that truly motivated me - the lazy approach, the "cheating the system".

Well, cheating a system such as Google can prove to be very hard. All money I was earning I invested back into further development. So by the time Google kicked my ass by closing every darn AdSense account I had, I was at $0.

Now, funny thing about Google is they purposely waited for me to develop my system so they can really study me very deeply (or at least that's what the clues pointed at!).

That took place in September 2007. Since then I've been whining and coming up with excuses.

That's about to change. There's no turning back. And that's where you come in, that's why I'm making it public.

Thanks!

P.S. I must admit I nearly stopped from posting it.
#main internet marketing discussion forum #bottom #essential #kick #read
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar D
    I am glad you were able to get that off your chest.

    Now forget about the past and start looking at the future. Give it another try and legal this time.

    You can do it
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles E. White
    Here is something I learned about 35 years ago.....Sales are easy when you work hard at it and hard when you work easy at it. Plan your time then work that plan.

    I had people in the office tell me how hard it was to sell in December. It was for them because they sat there and did nothing but make excuses why they weren't selling anything. For me December was always a great month, the people already were in the buying mood, had their money in hand and wanted to spend it on something. All I had to do was show them what they wanted to spend it on...my products

    By the way, these same complainers made excuses for every other month too about why they weren't making sales, yet they would sit at their desk most of the day, shuffle around their prospect cards and do absolutely nothing. Then they would go home and think they had a rough day..they made their own rough day by doing nothing.

    I ended up being 40th in the Nation out of 20,000 agents, won "agent of the month" 9 months in a row, won about every contest they had and made more money than ever before in my life, at that time. How? Not because I was a better seller than the rest but because I actually did something with my time besides sit at my desk or at home.

    Do something!
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  • Profile picture of the author doylesoft
    Thanks for posting.

    It sounds like you're a bright person. I wouldn't focus on the chasing money programs or easy cash or even SEO. Sounds like Google did a good job of keeping you under their thumb.

    Create a product you feel passionate about. Create a "culture" and the money will follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Katsoudas
    I went through a very similar experience myself and I talked about it very recently. I'll tell you what a good friend of mine told me:

    "Tough times pass. Tough people last."

    I'd rather keep this post positive and not "bottom-kicking" ;-)

    George
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  • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
    Oscar, Charles, Brandon, George!

    Guys - thank you so much for your input! Invaluable words.

    My day so far is going just right.

    It really helped to share this.

    To everyone else - you don't have to post any advise or anything - just say you have read the thread so I feel more responsibility by knowing how many people are now watching me!
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  • Profile picture of the author Talltom1
    It's a good thing you've done a reality check. But you stopped right before the most important part of this story....Tell us WHAT you're going to do about it!!!

    Talltom
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    • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
      Originally Posted by Talltom1 View Post

      It's a good thing you've done a reality check. But you stopped right before the most important part of this story....Tell us WHAT you're going to do about it!!!

      Talltom
      I have too much in my head really!

      So I'm focusing on 4 projects right now - one by one. I already started some minor work on all of them and they look promising so I decided to just stick with them and manifest them whatever it takes - small or big the results - doesn't matter - I just have to finish them.

      The first project is a compilation of research resources that I'll be constantly updating. I'm still thinking of the best way to market it but I believe I come up with a fairly decent one.

      If you want to check out the actual beta-version product - let me know so and I'll rush it over - better yet send me your email via PM and I'll send it there (it's a PDF). Your feedback (and anyone else's for that matter) will be highly appreciated especially considering the matter - it will further motivate me to keep going, this time, to the end!

      Thanks,

      Dmitry
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        • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
          Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

          If you can have a $10K month doing everything you shouldn't be doing...just think of what you can achieve by doing everything right!
          I never actually thought about it in this perspective - but it really inspires me now!

          Thanks!

          I think now, from where I stand today, that I should have never stopped what I first started - a genuine venture where all I wanted was to help people with the same goal as mine - succeed online and I was being really authentic about it.

          Cheating the system was good for only so much...
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Butler
    Yeah taking the easy way out in any endeavor will only lead to trouble sooner or later. I'm fixing a problem right now from dabbling in click fraud, lol. I didnt get banned or anything, it's just my money is tied up and I have to wait until about mid-feb at the latest to get it back out. That money could've been used for much more than .10 cent clicks =/

    The hard way is the best way...it's more fun too
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    • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
      Originally Posted by Charles Butler View Post

      Yeah taking the easy way out in any endeavor will only lead to trouble sooner or later. I'm fixing a problem right now from dabbling in click fraud, lol. I didnt get banned or anything, it's just my money is tied up and I have to wait until about mid-feb at the latest to get it back out. That money could've been used for much more than .10 cent clicks =/

      The hard way is the best way...it's more fun too
      It's funny how we people are ready to work real HARD for something that we perceive as EASY. We are ready to PAY dearly for the FREE stuff. It's really funny.

      And as Mr. White said - hard work turns out to be easy, easy work turns out to be hard. Amen!
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  • Profile picture of the author WebsiteMarketer
    Hey man, if you can just break away from the lazy factor and find something else to motivate you (besides cheating the system) the world can be yours.

    You obviously have the skills and work ethic, you just need to apply it differently.

    I was in the exact same boat myself when I started out but now I've trained myself to not be lazy and actually get stuff done everyday and I found something that motivates me.

    Best of luck man.

    Charles E. White: Very inspiring post, thanks for that, I will definitely keep that in the back of my mind when working at my new sales job.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    well yes,

    BH SEO is always about being ahead of the crowd, it can be very short-lived...and NEVER depend on only one method to make money.

    Always assume that "tomorrow this one method" might not work anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      well yes,

      BH SEO is always about being ahead of the crowd, it can be very short-lived...and NEVER depend on only one method to make money.

      Always assume that "tomorrow this one method" might not work anymore.
      Definitely and the bigger the scale you take it to - the harder it gets to stay under the radar. The more expensive, the less effective - eg. with size the efficiency drops dramatically because now you have to spread all your sites across as much IPs as possible, you have to work really hard on making them seem different, on generating them as naturally as possible, not throwing too big batches at the same time, linking, etc, etc. At one point I was having to manage 1000s of domains.

      Even though I created an almost fully automated system that did everything on auto-pilot - I just had to input a list of keywords and everything else was taken care off for me - the sheer amount of things I had to do to just keep ahead of Google was too much work all by it self.

      And Google eventually did shut me down no matter how smart I was trying to be!

      I remember even when they closed all my accounts and banned all my sites I was still thinking if I could continue doing it with CPA. I am now glad I was too emotionally "destroyed" to undertake this route... it would have just lead to more frustration. Then I said to myself that whatever I do - it will be a real, solid venture. Guess I was just too lazy to actually undertake it. But I'm finally doing it!

      So thanks guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketBoy
    " Always assume that "tomorrow this one method" might not work anymore."

    soooo true
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    • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
      Originally Posted by MarketBoy View Post

      " Always assume that "tomorrow this one method" might not work anymore."

      soooo true
      I sense you've tasted the evil fruits of the dark side yourself
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  • Profile picture of the author milan
    Dmitry I'm watching you man.

    And you better tell soon what are you going to do about it, or you might get more kicks than your bottom can handle
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    • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
      Originally Posted by milan View Post

      Dmitry I'm watching you man.

      And you better tell soon what are you going to do about it, or you might get more kicks than your bottom can handle
      I guess I better get out from this forum and start working!

      But really - I haven't been socializing online for so long that I can't get enough of it.

      OK. I'm going to work now! FOCUS!
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketBoy
    "I sense you've tasted the evil fruits of the dark side yourself "

    sooooooo true lool
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  • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
    Once again - thank you guys!

    I don't know if it's a good idea flooding the forum with an ever-green update type of a thread, but I would sure love to stay in touch with you and share my progress... so maybe we could all exchange contact details and such...
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  • Profile picture of the author rockgold
    Wow

    You have already had a lot of success, so don't stop now. Being in too many programs is a problem a lot of us all have had and concentration is hard when you're hit on all sides by distractions, emails, videos, etc.
    You can do it. We all can do it if we try....
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  • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
    OK as milan reminded me in another thread - an update is due.

    I got in a slowdown. It feels like the momentum I had built last week when I submitted the thread is slowly going away. Maybe it's because right now, I'm waiting for the research product to be developed - I've done pretty much everything, I'm just waiting for the programmer to do his part.

    Maybe I should get busy with something else during that time, because waiting really demoralizes me... I truly feel so. But then, I have the idea that getting occupied with something else may actually diversify my focus and I'll end up not finishing either...

    A lot of combating thoughts going on in my head right now. My heart is telling me to start that service I've been thinking about for quite soooome time - especially since it'll take very little time to actually setup, but then I start worrying if it'll be successful, if I'll be able to devote the time needed and so on.

    I realize it sounds like whining and all, but I really feel like getting my self 100% out there and being honest in front of everyone actually helps me being straight with myself and as I previously said - sort of "burning my bridges" and keeping me in "tension" - eg. not falling back, not soften.

    All advise is welcomed!

    Thanks again everyone for supporting me on my way back to IM recovery, especially today - my official 8th birthday online!

    Thank you and may you all be blessed!
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  • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
    A honest revelation.. many people would not even reveal it that they are doing blackhat tactics..

    Seriously, with blackhat, you need to constantly be on your toe, but with a legal and whitehat method, you have no such worries.

    Best success Dmitry !!
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