Young marketer looking for help...

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Hi guys, I'd like to say I'm new to IM but I've been stalking WF for probably 6 months. I've bought a couple WSO's and I've wasted a lot of time chasing green ben franklin headed dragons.

I am not an employee. What I mean by that is, I'd rather scrap and hustle for myself to make 300 over the course of two weeks than to sell my time to Lucky Brand Jeans at a rate of 32 hours a week.

In california a 9-5 is actually a 7-7 or worse.

Well this week I actually got a "job". I start at 8:30am, I get off at 4:30... I was so depressed I don't even know my hourly wage. I'm working at a tabloid company contacting their photographers, it's a temp job, but it's the most I've sold myself in half a year. I know how to get a job. I don't want a job. That job is probably over at 4:30 friday. I've contacted just about every photographer on their list that had more than a first name.

I hate working for someone else. I think the idea of having a boss is the closest thing to slavery currently in existence, in my world at least.

I'd prefer to put 12 hours a day into a business I'm building than to do what I've been doing since monday.


Anyway, enough complaining. I'm looking for a teacher, a guiding hand.

I apologize, I have roughly $100 to my name, until I get paid back for the time I sold to the company that bought me. So I can't offer much of a salary to an interested Warrior, but I'd be willing to work out a contract or something.

I tend to give off a mysterious attitude, so if I haven't given enough information on myself feel free to ask.


I know warriors like to make guarantees, so I guarantee I'll put 100% effort into this. I don't have a choice. I think I made 12 or 15 an hour over the last few days participating in "normal" society, but I know I could make more than that as a bum.


Oh yea, I have a reseller account with hostgator, and I have a crappy website, Floydwill.com sorry, I have that underscore from my twitter handle.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    What is offered to the teacher for their time?

    The joy of helping someone new make money?
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    • Profile picture of the author FStrong
      Anything PG13(I don't know what that wink was about (j/k ))....

      I can't offer much up front but I'll pay a percentage of what you help me make... I have some resources already, but I won't try to pretend I was banking with them already, the only money I've made on the internet is from selling Mortal Kombat t shirts, a tidy $7-$20 profit per shirt.... I still have about 70-80 shirts by the way, most medium, some large.
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    I'll PM you. I think I have an offer you'll like.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    How much percentage will you pay?

    And why shouldn't we just work for ourselves and make 100% of our efforts?



    Stop and think about this for a minute with the analytic side of your brain.

    In order to acquire a teacher / mentor, you need to tell someone what is in it for them to help you.

    If you are offering a percentage of your earnings, you must convince us that our investment in you will pay for itself.

    Even if you gave me 90% of your earnings, I would still make nothing if you could not learn from me and deliver on your end of the deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author anthony2
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      How much percentage will you pay?

      And why shouldn't we just work for ourselves and make 100% of our efforts?



      Stop and think about this for a minute with the analytic side of your brain.

      In order to acquire a teacher / mentor, you need to tell someone what is in it for them to help you.

      If you are offering a percentage of your earnings, you must convince us that our investment in you will pay for itself.

      Even if you gave me 90% of your earnings, I would still make nothing if you could not learn from me and deliver on your end of the deal.


      I agree...with the comment above.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Curtis
    FStrong,

    Just a few suggestions and an answer to the main point of your post at the end:

    1) Keep your job. You need to eat, pay your bills, etc. Also, you need to keep this job so that you will appreciate more and more the joys of entrepreneurship.

    Yes, I can tell from your post you already do...

    2) Once you are close to replacing your offline income online... then replace it. Quit.

    3) Use as much of your free time per day to learn the online skills that you will need for doing things yourself, outsourcing intelligently, etc.

    While everyone else is watching t.v., surfing, partying... you be training. Minimum average of 2-3 hours per day and 4-6 per weekend day.

    4) In regards to your original intent... I think you are slightly WRONG.

    You are looking for a mentor, but I think you will find that the mentor you are looking for will be in the form of many different people from many different "walks of life" online.

    NO way that one person can help you. If someone DOES agree to mentor you like you are suggesting... chances are they are close to your position.

    Most successful IMers are pretty busy. Now I may be wrong and maybe someone will jump in and offer to hold your hand who is highly successful.

    But the good news is that... there is so much stuff out there already recorded and waiting for you... the mentors you are seeking are already there.

    Instead of a mentor... you may just need to update your skills and get a partner who can share the load and make up for any deficiencies in your creation skills or your marketing abilities.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
    You have what many at your age do not: work experience. You know the pain of a 9-5. Without that motivation, some never do the one thing that yields results: taking action.

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  • Profile picture of the author FStrong
    tpw- We all know there's no way for me to prove 100% that I'll do what it takes, unfortunately for me I'll have to explain myself until I get close enough to 100% that someone will have faith in me.

    George- Thanks for the advice, I guess to be more specific, even though my needs are flexible, I am looking for someone who is a successful marketer, that will create an "internet clone" of themselves. Ranging anywhere from "holding my hand" to simply explaining what they have done, and dropping suggestions in when they see fit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    Originally Posted by FStrong View Post

    Hi guys, I'd like to say I'm new to IM but I've been stalking WF for probably 6 months. I've bought a couple WSO's and I've wasted a lot of time chasing green ben franklin headed dragons.

    I am not an employee. What I mean by that is, I'd rather scrap and hustle for myself to make 300 over the course of two weeks than to sell my time to Lucky Brand Jeans at a rate of 32 hours a week.

    In california a 9-5 is actually a 7-7 or worse.

    Well this week I actually got a "job". I start at 8:30am, I get off at 4:30... I was so depressed I don't even know my hourly wage. I'm working at a tabloid company contacting their photographers, it's a temp job, but it's the most I've sold myself in half a year. I know how to get a job. I don't want a job. That job is probably over at 4:30 friday. I've contacted just about every photographer on their list that had more than a first name.

    I hate working for someone else. I think the idea of having a boss is the closest thing to slavery currently in existence, in my world at least.

    I'd prefer to put 12 hours a day into a business I'm building than to do what I've been doing since monday.


    Anyway, enough complaining. I'm looking for a teacher, a guiding hand.

    I apologize, I have roughly $100 to my name, until I get paid back for the time I sold to the company that bought me. So I can't offer much of a salary to an interested Warrior, but I'd be willing to work out a contract or something.

    I tend to give off a mysterious attitude, so if I haven't given enough information on myself feel free to ask.


    I know warriors like to make guarantees, so I guarantee I'll put 100% effort into this. I don't have a choice. I think I made 12 or 15 an hour over the last few days participating in "normal" society, but I know I could make more than that as a bum.


    Oh yea, I have a reseller account with hostgator, and I have a crappy website, Floydwill.com sorry, I have that underscore from my twitter handle.
    Here is what I would do.....Spend $47 and join the war room. All the coaching you could ever need is found in there. There is a guide for everything under the sun in there.

    Then, to supplement your income for now I would spend another $20 and put up an ad in the Warriors for Hire section. You can sell any service you can offer. Writing, design, graphics, link building, etc. Anything you can do you can sell to make some cash to keep you going while you are building your business.

    Benjamin Ehinger
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  • Profile picture of the author FStrong
    I could look at WF as a community mentor, but it seems everyone(save for maybe 3 or four Warriors) focuses on hiding their work in fear that they will be copied. Well if you know who is copying you, you can collect properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author FStrong
    Ben- I'd like to join the War Room, I've heard rave reviews, from everyone... not a single complaint have I seen, but I'm not keen on taking my funds below a certain point, additionally $20 on an ad scares me when I've placed ads (not here) before that have gone unseen/ignored.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by FStrong View Post

      Ben- I'd like to join the War Room, I've heard rave reviews, from everyone... not a single complaint have I seen, but I'm not keen on taking my funds below a certain point, additionally $20 on an ad scares me when I've placed ads (not here) before that have gone unseen/ignored.

      Businesses are an investment.

      If you are afraid to invest $37 for the war room and $20 for an ad, you have indicated a weakness that will prevent you from finding success.

      Now, having said that, I also run a minimum in my accounts at all times, so I cannot argue against that philosophy, so long as at some point you will get out the crow bar and open your wallet for necessary expenditures.

      The $37 for the war room could be a great investment, if you use the war room.

      The $20 for a classified ad is premature, as you don't know yet what you will sell.

      The greatest challenge you will face in getting someone like me to be your mentor is overcoming those who have come before you. It is so true what they say about people who don't have anything invested usually don't have anything to motivate them to action either.

      I have mentored a lot of people. I'd say that about 90% never get off of their ass to find the success that was waiting for them on the other side.

      It is not so much that we hide what we do from you, but we need to believe in you, before we will invest in you.

      As long as you come to the forum to ask questions, people will answer your questions.

      But if you are looking for that someone to hold your hand, you have a lot to prove, before anyone will take your hand and show you the how and why, unless they are convinced that they have a way that will guarantee them a return on their investment.
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      • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
        Originally Posted by FStrong View Post

        I could look at WF as a community mentor, but it seems everyone(save for maybe 3 or four Warriors) focuses on hiding their work in fear that they will be copied. Well if you know who is copying you, you can collect properly.
        This changes when you join the war room for sure.

        Originally Posted by FStrong View Post

        Ben- I'd like to join the War Room, I've heard rave reviews, from everyone... not a single complaint have I seen, but I'm not keen on taking my funds below a certain point, additionally $20 on an ad scares me when I've placed ads (not here) before that have gone unseen/ignored.
        I did this after a few years of hesitation and every single time I spend the money to bump my ad I make at least 5 times my investment back.

        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Businesses are an investment.

        If you are afraid to invest $37 for the war room and $20 for an ad, you have indicated a weakness that will prevent you from finding success.

        Now, having said that, I also run a minimum in my accounts at all times, so I cannot argue against that philosophy, so long as at some point you will get out the crow bar and open your wallet for necessary expenditures.

        The $37 for the war room could be a great investment, if you use the war room.

        The $20 for a classified ad is premature, as you don't know yet what you will sell.

        The greatest challenge you will face in getting someone like me to be your mentor is overcoming those who have come before you. It is so true what they say about people who don't have anything invested usually don't have anything to motivate them to action either.

        I have mentored a lot of people. I'd say that about 90% never get off of their ass to find the success that was waiting for them on the other side.

        It is not so much that we hide what we do from you, but we need to believe in you, before we will invest in you.

        As long as you come to the forum to ask questions, people will answer your questions.

        But if you are looking for that someone to hold your hand, you have a lot to prove, before anyone will take your hand and show you the how and why, unless they are convinced that they have a way that will guarantee them a return on their investment.
        I agree....if you are not willing to spend a little bit of money it is going to be much harder to make money online. This was hard for me as well, but now I know how to spend a little to make a lot and how to spend a little to test something before I put my life savings into it.

        Benjamin Ehinger
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    the best thing you can do is buy one single product, and work that system to the bone, do everything is says for 60-90 days actually work the system before you try to buy a new product.

    I have seen quite a few products in my day and almost all of them would produce some revenue when actually used.
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    • Profile picture of the author redfieryheart
      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      the best thing you can do is buy one single product, and work that system to the bone, do everything is says for 60-90 days actually work the system before you try to buy a new product.

      I have seen quite a few products in my day and almost all of them would produce some revenue when actually used.
      That's a mistake I have learned. Because of so many ebooks and tips I read before, i suffered from what they call it "information overload" and ended up with nothing. I am now focusing on one method and I hope the effort will pay within few months or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author gushy0202
    If you are working with a business or a marketing firm... THEN you are in good position to learn or being coached for free. dont consider that a 9-5 work instead a place that provides free business/marketing coaching... First few months learn and see for opportunities or gaps that you potentially can fill of your own...

    Then quit the job being at a comfortable position to do so..

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanSupplee
    Money is not always needed but word of advice first find someone you think you can trust and work along with them a bit first before you go into further contact with them.
    What I mean by money is not always needed is a fresh new idea you might have could be worth thousands. But all you need is someone to help you put it into action. There are plenty of partnerships out there with a 50/50 split or better just make sure they are in the same country as you it makes the whole legal thing easier if they are if it ever should sadly happen to come to that.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    You're willing to hustle. You have an internet connection. You can write. You need money fast. You hate "working for the man".

    To me, the answer is VERY obvious.

    Start a writing service.

    Here's all you have to do:

    1) Create a free site at Blogger, Weebly, Wordpress, etc.

    2) Make a simple site marketing your service- 500 word articles for $5 each (or more, but getting testimonials first helps a LOT)

    3) Put some PayPal buttons on there for different sized article packages

    4) Put a link in your signature on the Warrior Forum going back to your writing service site

    5) Make some posts- if you've been around for 6 months, you probably know the basics of IM. Be helpful to people.

    6) Profit

    Honestly- this will WORK. Within a few weeks you can be making $50/hour if you're getting good clients.

    You'd be surprised how many guys get their start by selling services (or are pulling in 6-7 figures by STILL selling them)...
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  • Profile picture of the author shawoon98
    Nobody will ever teach everything. In fact nobody knows everything. But when you take a course or buy a course, you must follow it 100%. What you are taking lightly in the course and ignoring it, might be the most effective action. So, don't miss anything. Let me introduce to you a video of one of my mentors. It's video on facebook here. Watch the other videos of this guy.

    Don't just buy courses blindly. See what the gurus are doing. Research on their training products. What are their topics? What are their niche? Which niche has the most websites? Be familiar with the quick changes in online marketing strategies- I mean the basic things has to be clear to you.

    One more thing, please remember it's a business. So, you have to invest something. The only speciality is that it's low investment and mainly home based. So, if you are really serious, stick to it, be positive, learn and earn.

    I have some materials I can share with you. Still end of the day, you are the one who'll take action. I'll send you a PM about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
      Originally Posted by FStrong

      I could look at WF as a community mentor, but it seems everyone(save for maybe 3 or four Warriors) focuses on hiding their work in fear that they will be copied.
      Bill nailed it in his earlier post. You can ask almost any question here and get helpful replies from people who know what they're talking about. In that sense, there's very little hiding going on. When you need answers, you'll get them. You just have to figure out what the questions are. That's the best approach, in my opinion.

      Now, if you're looking for someone to personally walk you through everything... to physically take over your body and move your hands around on the computer... that's a different story. Somebody may work something out with you, or you can pay for that kind of help (but be careful with your money.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley C
    Hello FStrong,

    The questions in my mind are:

    What area(s) of Internet Marketing are you interested in? (Writing and selling eBooks? Search engine optimization? 'Offline' marketing? Affiliate marketing? Making money with blogging? etc)

    And of course: what is your goal?

    For me, it is to build a set of accessible and affordable outsourcing services for designers, developers, and Internet marketers. I'm doing really well with it at the moment. When I was more of an all-around Internet marketer doing a bit of everything, there was no real business plan and I wasn't making such great money. You need a plan.

    Think hard about what business it is that you really want to build. Right now, you're not really presenting an investment opportunity.

    Hope this helps a little.
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    • Profile picture of the author HN
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      Originally Posted by Ashley C View Post

      What area(s) of Internet Marketing are you interested in? (Writing and selling eBooks? Search engine optimization? 'Offline' marketing? Affiliate marketing? Making money with blogging? etc)
      I think he said that he doesn't want a job. What you are offering is a job (being self employed). If you have to work it's a job, not a business. What you want to do is start a business, have smart people work for you and run your business. You need to have a plan, a vision. And of course it wouldn't hurt to have some money to hire people. Although there are 2 other options.
      1) Have people work for you for free
      2) Have people work for you for free and even pay YOU money

      The first option is not bad, but the second is really something to kill for.

      Before saying I am nuts, I will give you an example where people are working for free for other companies. People are working for free for facebook, for youtube, for article directories (they get paid for selling advertising, yet they pay you nothing, you are free labor to them), although some do benefit from working for free for those companies.

      Do you have a vision? I do. If you are willing to work hard, maybe starve while waiting for results I might have something for you. I can't hire enough people to develop my 400 domains at the same time, so I will be offering a percentage of profits or backlinks or physical products that can be turned into cash. I know it will be hard because most people prefer to get paid $100 now, than get lifetime commissions say $10 per month for the same effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Haynes
    I echo the words of George Curtis...keep your day job & prepare, prepare, prepare. The more you put into something the more it will give back to you. Don't waste your time & have daily schedules of all that you do so you can monitor your effects & see each day what you are accomplishing & make the appropriate changes.

    Good luck,
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  • Profile picture of the author FStrong
    For everyone that keeps telling me to keep my job:

    I stated in my original post that what I have is a temp position. I am not planning on quitting, my work ethic is phenominal, I do good work and I finish a job that I start.

    I was hired to contact photographer that had submitted content to the company because they have recently been acquired by a larger company, that is all there is to it. Once I have contacted all photographers, my job is done.

    I am not quitting. That would be stupid. Please don't mistake my words.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan92
      Originally Posted by FStrong View Post

      For everyone that keeps telling me to keep my job:

      I stated in my original post that what I have is a temp position. I am not planning on quitting, my work ethic is phenominal, I do good work and I finish a job that I start.

      I was hired to contact photographer that had submitted content to the company because they have recently been acquired by a larger company, that is all there is to it. Once I have contacted all photographers, my job is done.

      I am not quitting. That would be stupid. Please don't mistake my words.
      You know what? I believe you DO have a great work ethic, and consequently you could very well do without a mentor at all (if that's necessary).

      It's really up to you at the end of the day.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Tell you what, you pay me $5,000 a month, and I'll teach you everything I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author FStrong
    ramone_johnny I don't know if you are aware, but in my original post I stated that I would be unable to pay very much upfront for a teacher. $5,000 is about $4,950 outside of my upper limit. If you took a 99% pay cut you'd still be hard pressed to convince me to continue with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author FStrong
    Honestly, I know I could figure this out on my own. The problem is that venturing out on my own will give me variable results.

    I don't have 2 years to go through a trial and error period.

    I don't have time to entertain ignorant jokes.

    I have time to work, and when I'm not working I have time to negotiate with a potential mentor.

    ramone, why did you waste your time posting in this thread? Do you have nothing better to do? Everyone on here has said something helpful, even if it was misplaced or vague they still said something of value. For someone who commands such a high teaching value, you don't do much research on your potential clients at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by FStrong View Post

      ramone, why did you waste your time posting in this thread? Do you have nothing better to do? Everyone on here has said something helpful, even if it was misplaced or vague they still said something of value. For someone who commands such a high teaching value, you don't do much research on your potential clients at all.
      To make a point.

      Think about what you are REALLY ASKING FOR here.

      You're asking us for help, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with asking for help, or seeking a mentor. Infact I encourage it.

      The issue is with YOU, not the mentor. You're not ready, and I dont believe you're taking this seriously.

      You offering to "work hard", or pay me "$50" is quite honestly an insult. Infact, Im almost certain that ANYONE on this forum, that is making a full time living from internet marketing alone, that is, those that are financially independant, that are making GOOD MONEY online would agree.

      You'll pay me $50 or $100 to help you? Why would I do that? I make a lot more than that a day now sitting in cafes and laying on the beach.

      Let me ask you something....

      What is your time worth?

      Obviously from your posts here, a LOT.

      As quoted by you ...

      "I don't have 2 years to go through a trial and error period."

      "I don't have time to entertain ignorant jokes."

      Does this then mean my time is somehow worth less than yours? Absolutely not.

      Let me put this into perspective for you.

      To get where I am right now has taken 3 SOLID YEARS, of busting my ass, putting in 12+ hour days, 7 days a week, day in day out, week after week, month after month, year after year.

      Ive lost tens of thousands of dollars trying stuff online.

      I lost $15,000 in 3 months on PPC.

      I once paid $2,500 for ONE HOUR with a mentor.

      Ive failed time and time again. Its cost me relationships, friendships and Ive spent numerous nights asking myself if its all really worth it.

      Ive been laughed at, and ridiculed - but I stuck with it.

      You asking for help by offering to pay me $100 is beyond a joke.

      In the end, you have a decision to make.

      1. You either get realistic about investing money towards an actual business.
      2. You invest years figuring it out on your own.

      In hindsight, knowing what I know now, after all the struggles, effort and lost money - I know exactly what choice I would make.

      Think about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author FStrong
    My ideal scenarios would be

    A. A joint venture with someone that knows their venture will work, where they make the majority of the money. That way I learn and earn, and my venture partner makes his or her money.

    B. Someone takes me on as an investment. They tell me to do A and B, and let me do it. If I need help I ask for it. When I make money they make money. Technically it's a matter of trust but a contract could be written up that makes trust irrelevant. For those that are wary of my ethic and drive, a clause can be written up in the contract that states that I will reimburse for your time if I am not doing my "job".

    C. A sugarmama hands me $200-$5000 each time we go out on a date, preferably 2-5 times a week. I will not spend the night or answer calls after 10pm. The parameters of my duties will be largely based on the attractiveness of the sugarmama.

    D. Some other scenario where I am doing hands on learning of IM, with some form of assistance from someone who knows what they are doing.

    When I say mentor, I'm really referring to the literal meaning of the word. Not a mentoring program where the only assistance I get when something confuses me is an FAQ. I'm looking to build a relationship with someone who will rebuild my faith in IM, unless you're a sugarmama. Then you don't have to teach me anything, just pay me to hang out with you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      FStrong:

      I think you're sincere, but you're also a bit unrealistic and more than a tad arrogant. Yes, ramone_johnny was being sarcastic, but he was trying to make a point.

      Your budget and apparent lack of direction (focus) about what you want to do means you're not really ready for a mentor. Mentors (successful people in their fields) are expensive for a reason. If they can't make more money training you than they do in their own business, why should they mentor you? For the fun of it?

      And with such a small budget, their efforts would probably be wasted.

      I know that's harsh, but I'm honestly not trying to be mean. I'm very serious. I'm asking you to look at it from a BUSINESS perspective. My mentor pointed this out to me when I mentored with her last year. She said that's why mentors are expensive. They're already successful in their own businesses. So they have to be able to make MORE money mentoring you than they would in their own business for the time and effort. Otherwise, they have no incentive to do so.

      Ok, moving on...

      Make sure you're ready for mentoring! If you're a total newbie, chances are, you aren't. If you're even able to afford any type of mentoring as a newbie, you won't get as much out of it as you could otherwise if you know yourself better and what areas of IM you want to pursue.

      No one can help you if you don't know what you want to do in the first place. Spend some time figuring that out first.

      It takes time to figure out what area of IM you want to pursue, who the players are in that area, and which one is right for you. Many people offer similar info, but not all people will resonate with your personally. You need to find someone you "click" with to get the most out of it.

      You can use a person, a book, an information product, an internship or a job, -- or a forum -- as your mentor. People typically charge more for their personal time/attention than they will for an information product or a book. And one-on-one coaching typically costs A LOT more than group coaching.

      One of my mentors HIGHLY recommends investing most of your money in mentoring and then building the actual business and marketing on a shoestring. This is EXCELLENT advice.

      However, if you're broke, you probably can't afford any group coaching program, much less one-on-one coaching.

      That's ok. First, you need to research and "find" yourself online. That is, become knowledgeable enough that you KNOW what you want to do online. Do your homework. Search this forum. Read books. Buy courses.

      Then apply what you've learned. It's ok if it doesn't work the first time. We all have to start somewhere. And believe me, you'll get a LOT more out of the coaching/mentoring if you 1) KNOW exactly what area of IM you want to pursue and what you want to get out of the coaching and 2) if you already have some experience under your belt.

      Plus, it's less costly to invest in some IM products (comprehensive courses, not $5 ebooks), than hiring a mentor right out of the gate.

      I'm very much a DIY kind of person and much preferred buying courses and studying on my own than buying actual coaching. I invested a lot of time and money over about 7 years (or more) learning, dabbling in IM, making some money, and deciding exactly what I wanted to do online. In that time, I also made a very short list of people I'd discovered who I trusted: people I buy from, listen to, trust and can recommend. (Having such a list of people will save you a LOT of time and headaches!)

      Since I'm a DIY kind of person, I always viewed high-level, expensive coaching/mentoring programs a bit skeptically. I believe that mentoring from the right person is very valuable. But why should I pay $3,000 (or more) to be mentored when I can buy a course for $1,000 (or less) and teach myself the same thing????

      So now I'm very knowledgeable about IM, with some experience to boot. So I was ready to jump into my first-ever coaching/mentoring opportunity when it dropped into my lap last year after I lost my job.

      If I hadn't already done so much research or if I wasn't CRYSTAL CLEAR about what I wanted and expected out of it, I would never have done it. But she was the perfect mentor and the timing was perfect. (Incredible, really.) I'd NEVER invested so much money at once ($3,000), but it was worth it's weight in gold. And I was ready for it.

      I've been VERY happy with my mentor's guidance, THRILLED with what I learned and the world of possibilities she opened up, not to mention the emotional support she lent and her belief in all of her clients (me included).

      I love her personality and have a huge respect for her personally, as well as professionally. She models my idea of what a woman in business should be: super business savvy, yet totally feminine. She is a lovely, lovely lady.

      Once you know what area of IM you want to pursue, look to see who the players are in that field. Subscribe to their e-zines. Buy their courses and e-books. You'll quickly get a feel for those who are genuine.

      Then find someone who's where you want to be, who has the RESULTS that you want to achieve, and hire them.

      WHEN you're ready for it.

      Hope that helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author FStrong
    Please keep the jokes to a minimum...
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    Also, I have several domains and hosting... I have no idea how to build a successful website though.
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  • Profile picture of the author koncorps
    Ok, I spent some trial and error doing some marketing over the last two years.

    I say what you're doing wrong is marketing yourself as a problem/investment instead of a solution.

    Good luck,
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    for getting success, you need to take a step ahead towards right investment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Preben Frenning
    My best tip for you is to start studying marketing. - If you really have a passion for "real" marketing that is.

    I started out very young as well, and now I'm studying marketing, and I love it. There is so much more to it than what you will learn online, as well as it's awesome to be a student. (At least in Norway)
    I thought I knew a lot when I was younger, but working a bit and starting to study really improved my perspective on everything.

    You will build your network, have a great time, and learn a lot at the same time.

    In fact, after I started my studies, I notice how little the majority of members of the WF actually know about "real" marketing, and marketing psychology. Sure, people know about making money online, but that's really not the same as internet marketing.

    In addition to that, if you are planning to work as a consultant later, it helps to have an academic background, even though it's optional.
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  • Profile picture of the author FStrong
    Thanks for your suggestions and advice guys, I'm in contact with someone who will be helping me. I don't want to confuse myself with two mentors or anything like that, so I won't be searching for anyone anymore. Thanks for your time guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    For anyone else finding this thread, one of the people I know here in the forum who asked for a mentor got one of the best, but let me tell you what the guy agreed to do to get his mentor.

    He agreed to work for free as an intern for six months.

    He agreed to do whatever he was told to do, whenever he was told to do it.

    He agreed to be available any time his mentor called on him.

    He agreed to be available by phone several times per week.

    He agreed to work at least 20 hours per week without payment, because he knew that the education being offered was top-of-the-line.

    The mentor would receive all of the financial reward from the individual's work for six months. The student would receive one of the most successful people in the Warrior Forum as his teacher.

    It was a win-win situation for both. The student was able to get a world-class, hands-on education from a wildly successful person -- for free. The mentor was able to get an employee who was willing to exchange his time for an education, so that the mentor could be paid over time for what the student did.

    When you are looking for someone to be your mentor, and you have nothing to pay, bring a bit more creativity to the arrangement, and you may be surprised at the quality of education you will be able to receive.

    As a beggar, you are not really in a position to set terms on any arrangement offered to you. You can either pay for a mentor, or offer something to the mentor that the mentor will be able to consider fair trade.
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    • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      For anyone else finding this thread, one of the people I know here in the forum who asked for a mentor got one of the best, but let me tell you what the guy agreed to do to get his mentor.

      He agreed to work for free as an intern for six months.

      He agreed to do whatever he was told to do, whenever he was told to do it.

      He agreed to be available any time his mentor called on him.

      He agreed to be available by phone several times per week.

      He agreed to work at least 20 hours per week without payment, because he knew that the education being offered was top-of-the-line.

      The mentor would receive all of the financial reward from the individual's work for six months. The student would receive one of the most successful people in the Warrior Forum as his teacher.

      It was a win-win situation for both. The student was able to get a world-class, hands-on education from a wildly successful person -- for free. The mentor was able to get an employee who was willing to exchange his time for an education, so that the mentor could be paid over time for what the student did.

      When you are looking for someone to be your mentor, and you have nothing to pay, bring a bit more creativity to the arrangement, and you may be surprised at the quality of education you will be able to receive.

      As a beggar, you are not really in a position to set terms on any arrangement offered to you. You can either pay for a mentor, or offer something to the mentor that the mentor will be able to consider fair trade.
      Can't help but nodding my head several times while reading your post.
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  • Profile picture of the author owenlee
    Strong words!!! I hope he can learn something from here which school does not even teach...

    "You have to be Cruel to be Kind" This was what i have been taught more than 10 years ago...Yup i agree that i used to get scolding most of the time..

    Always learn from mistakes and no one will ever look down on you..
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  • Profile picture of the author Fahu
    invest carefully.
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